Kyiv

[Muddy7]

What's the link for kec?

[DramaFree11]

OK, gents! I am going to Kiew in July and I am a bit frustrated with the following: I scanned and then contacted a few girls on Mamba. I have first chatted (all looking for sponsors) them up, got their numbers. One already stated the price and service, 3 others I write to here and there on Viber and they don't reply?

Ah, 2 of them clicked my foto that they like me and stuff. I don't get what their "problem" is? Lingo can't be as they responded in English on Viber? I do have the feeling that the agency runs these accounts and also their phones and never answer due to that they don't want to chat ordinary stuff? But can I jump in.

And say: Oi, meet me x7. 19 at my apartment, What is the cost of your service, an I? Do you negotiate everything in detail beforehand? Like facesitting, 69, poses, etc.

I mongered only in Budapest so far and it was just great!.

None of this should be a big surprise, go back and read previous posts. Dealing with on-line profiles in Kiev is Crapshoot at best. Once you arrive you will have a better chance, but you may want to read previous post about traveling to Kiev in July. Not the best time at all.

[PhotoSlider]

OK, gents! I am going to Kiew in July and I am a bit frustrated with the following: I scanned and then contacted a few girls on Mamba. I have first chatted (all looking for sponsors) them up, got their numbers. One already stated the price and service, 3 others I write to here and there on Viber and they don't reply?...

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems girls (or agency communication handlers) detect you are not in Kiev yet, and they don't have time for a friendly chit-chat, it's all business, dude!

[Trent23]

OK, gents! I am going to Kiew in July and I am a bit frustrated with the following: I scanned and then contacted a few girls on Mamba. I have first chatted (all looking for sponsors) them up, got their numbers. One already stated the price and service, 3 others I write to here and there on Viber and they don't reply?

Ah, 2 of them clicked my foto that they like me and stuff. I don't get what their "problem" is? Lingo can't be as they responded in English on Viber? I do have the feeling that the agency runs these accounts and also their phones and never answer due to that they don't want to chat ordinary stuff? But can I jump in.

And say: Oi, meet me x7. 19 at my apartment, What is the cost of your service, an I? Do you negotiate everything in detail beforehand? Like facesitting, 69, poses, etc.

I mongered only in Budapest so far and it was just great!

Though a few years ago I had a girl over from Kiew that I have chatted up and she stayed with me for 4 weeks. I was planning on seeing where it takes us if falling in love and staying together works out. 2 friends are married to Ukrainian girls and it looked like an option for me. The prob for me was that the jealousy killed it!

She requested that I delete all girls numbers from my phone, no matter if it was my sister, boss or doctor? Haha! Crazy! I shit you not! Very quickly it was obvious that she was only in for the passport. Rim-jobbed the first night?! Cooked pelmeni in fishnet dress when I came home from work and the like. Yeah, cool when you think about it but a turnoff, when a girl is all like the flan in the face?! Sent her home, though the "action" was outstanding!

Further, I checked http://kiev.ukrgo.com which is also annoying: I wrote 3-4 girls messages in Russian and haven't heard back? The numbers stated there. Are they for real? I mean I can call them once I am in Kiew and see what nuggets I can dig. Anyone of you guys had experiences with 3 some?

I mean, I'd like to have one but I don't want it to be a shitty and awkward lesbo show. If they don't go at each other 100% it would be a turn-off for me. I would like to define the session in detail so that I know what I am getting. Might not really work, eh?

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For those heading to Kiev now: my impression after recent departure that after student girls have finished classes and exams, talent at the agencies and apartments became limited. Bait and switch is rampant. Also there is a level of isolation between Viber / WhatsApp remote dispatches like I wait. Biz, and mama-sans managing the girls on premises.

Arriving in May, as promised I had reappearing 9's one after another, thinking that I died and went straight to heaven. Then gradually the agency well has dried out. Especially because I try not to repeat.

Seems that during summer Mamba, street hunting and relying on regular contacts established during prior visits is the way to go.

For the last week before the departure I alternated two trusted girls long-term (2-3 days at a time for 2-3 K UAH a day). Both of them previously worked shortly for an agency about a year ago, and quit. Nothing could be better. Young, sincere, they suffered enough and do not want to return back to work. Love making at its finest, ever so thankful.

Those asking me to share, please read what Kozerog wrote here repeatedly about finding his Jewel.

Also imagine that on average I go through 15-20 or so girls to get a keeper. Each one is 1500-2100 UAH. That makes it no less than 22500 UAH to find one. That is roughly USD850, or 2-3 visits to KEC / GIA, where my USD investment was more, and retention rate was about the same or even better (converted and kept 4 girls out of 10-12), but much higher maintenance fees after turning those girls into my GFs.

Anyway, I surely enjoyed the casting process, and while some of the girls do not give me their phone number, despite obviously entertaining themselves as well, others did, but weren't contacted this visit for various reasons (MILFs, nervous, demanding too much attention and / or money).

These two "last-week girls" are in my top 4 at the moment. Their English is not so good. Love making though is out of this world, with BBBJ, 69, and I decided not to push for Greek.

As I said, I pay each of them between 2000 and 4000 UAH per 24 hours, plus food (Puzata Hata or Avalon. My choice) and entertainment, and have none of that nonsense when the agency dispatcher calls in the middle of us both having an orgasm, to ask if the taxi should be ordered. I also woke them up at 5 or 6 am when the case of the morning wood happened, and first thing I saw was a smile, even before opening their eyes.

So, investing about a grand into finding each one of these, why should I give them away to the Forum community? You can do the same search, but usually not during 3-5 days visit, and chances are lower if you do not speak local language. Russian or Ukrainian. I do exchange with trusted and respected Forum members, and few of them helped me tremendously. Please allow me time to recuperate.

I do not consider that USD 1 K research funds were wasted, as many of those hourly girls were outstanding. So it would be difficult to calculate hourly rate or a cost per intercourse for these two "last-week" keepers.

I kicked out 2 girls from my bed again this visit, sent back 2-3 deliveries by taxi, and had maybe 5-7 average girls. I lost my own personal count at 25 individual girls about 7-10 days in. But funny thing, by chance I met separately the young hourly lady, that looked familiar, and she confessed that last fall, being me stupid or tired or something, I rudely evicted her, because she was hurting and evasive during the intercourse. This time though, courageous and persistent, she delivered at the highest level to prove her point. I apologized, and she departed with all the dignity and newly gained respect.

So, hopefully this rant is marginally useful for some of you to eliminate illusions about scoring in Kiev. It is certainly doable, it is definitely not cheap, and in my surely not so humble opinion, there is no other place like Kiev for me personally. Your mileage will vary.

[TinyHippo]

Earlier posts mention KEC as the more reliable site.

What's the deal with the girls with discounted rates?

Is there a catch?

Time of the month?

Thanks.

They are just girls that are not popular. KEC is OK, but keep in mind they do not meet most of the girls. So, they say they are 2-4 years younger than they really are. Often the photos are old. Just like their "Girl of the week". I met her a few months ago and had to send her home. She was literally 10 kg more than her sexy skinny photos and was a drunken mess. I told management and they did not reply. I think for their prices (often $200-250 just for one hour now), it should be the very last resort. I have never been to Rio, but at least you can see the girls and check out their personality before you pay them.

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One wise man from California taught me the best way to enjoy hot women in Kiev without paying much at all.

Forget all those Shooters, Chis, Rios and Arenas. Go to Pizzeria place in Podol, get yourself a beer or even a glass of water, sit outside at the table in the street, and watch beautiful young ladies passing by. I can keep doing this for hours.

And likewise, do not use taxi for transport. Take metro / subway. Especially now in the Summer. Hot hot hot! Eye candy is endless and never boring.

[PhotoSlider]

Always thought that two fingers V meant "Victory". Sometimes - "Peace".

During this visit to Kiev Ukrainian girls gave it a new meaning:

- You are such a talented man!

- Really? I am honored. How many times did you come?

And she shows a two-finger "Victory" sign. Meaning she came twice.

[Guntherus]

Maybe we should compare pricing. Rent varies according to season. Location Kreshatik, separate bedroom, balcony street view. 40 $ in winter, 60 $ in summer. Earlier, I've had broken beds, shaky electricity, cold shower, empty kitchen etc etc. Now I only speak to a trusted landlord who can meet my standards. The most shitty detail is the entrance / elevator, which is hard to fix. And maybe his price is too high?

[TeFab456]

If you are courting a girl then they seem to like it when you have an amazing place in a shitty location (within reason). If you are trying to meet as many girls as possible then it behooves you be in a great location even if it means a shitty place (again, within reason).

This discussion is futile as there are plenty of nice and affordable apartments in the center, between Bessarabskaya and Maidan. All the big websites for accomodation give ample selection. Personally I had some nice places at Plosha Tolstoya, which is around the corner of Kreshchatyk. I also had apartments in Mala Zhytomirska and Mikhailovska, and some of my best meetings I had in a tiny apartment overlooking Maidan Square, which turned out to be not exactly luxurious but was cool for the girls regardless.

If you have a doorman, you may get some looks bringing in girl after girl, but no need to bother.

Rates should be around 50 $ per night.

[PhotoSlider]

Thanks.

Last year I rented one of the largest and most luxurious rooms in Kyiv, if not in Europe! It's the so called "apart-hotel", it's just a few large rooms on top floors of the very nice building in the very heart of the city. It was for 2 persons. I came alone, of course. And they charged me 500 UAH every time I brought a girl in the evening. I was so pissed, I explained to them that I payed for 2 persons, but I had to pay nevertheless for each and every girl, every day. It's my favourite place in Kiev but because of the worst host that you can imagine I will never go back there.

Then I tried Hotel Ukraina. The room was nice, but it can't compare with my previous accommodation which was really something extraordinary. Instead of 500 UAH + negative vibe / looks / comments, in Hotel Ukraina I had to pay "only" 200 UAH for every girl..

Wrong question, because the choice is between two shitty options.

Why not rent a decent AirBnB downtown? For mere 45-50 USD a night you can have a great apartment managed by SuperHost and a slew of girls, too many to chose from, while nobody charges you for bringing them over.

I stayed literally next to the embassy of the leading European country, no police, but there was their security around the clock, and my girls arriving to the curbside at regular intervals for casting. Nobody said nothing!

I did stay on the outskirts of the City in the past. It makes the choice of call girls more limited, and sifting through them takes longer due to logistics.

[GDreams]

Thanks.

The problem with the apartments is this: either they are at amazing locations but they are shitty, or they look amazingly fabulous but they are on shitty locations, miles from the city center, usually in the southern outskirts, in the horrible huge buildings. If there's an apartment who has both. Amazing interior and amazing location, it's either way too expensive or always already taken.

So my new question to you who have lots of experience with Kyiv: what is better (from the girls' perspective) - to have an amazing place in shitty location or to have a shitty place in amazing location?

I feel that this is an important question and I didn't see it being discussed here.

Thank you.

Its been a while since I stayed in Kiev but there are no shortage of nice apartments in the centre of the city. I never stayed in a hotel apart from my honeymoon night. I stayed on Mala Zhitymyrskaya, Michaelovska, Shota Rustavelli, Pushkinska, Taras Shevchenko, Kreshatik, Baesina, Klugo universitets, Desisitinya and had lots of nice apartments even if the buildings were crappy. All centrally located so easy for girls to come via metro or Marshutka.

[ShawMan74]

So my new question to you who have lots of experience with Kyiv: what is better (from the girls' perspective) - to have an amazing place in shitty location or to have a shitty place in amazing location?

If you are courting a girl then they seem to like it when you have an amazing place in a shitty location (within reason). If you are trying to meet as many girls as possible then it behooves you be in a great location even if it means a shitty place (again, within reason).

[ShawMan74]

Hmmm, I was considering Kiev but from all I ve been reading and it doesn't seem like the best place.

I think I know the answer but Ill ask you experts.

If I am looking for white / European woman, what country is best as in ease of access to a foreigner and beauty for the money?

I know, the question is very broad but use your own definition of beauty.

From what I can tell its going to be probably be the well established red light district cities because there seems to be a trend of hyper-centralization. But it still won't be easy because the working girls are majority non-white.

[Michi T]

So my new question to you who have lots of experience with Kyiv: what is better (from the girls' perspective) - to have an amazing place in shitty location or to have a shitty place in amazing location?

I feel that this is an important question and I didn't see it being discussed here.

Thank you.

What is the issue? Take a nice hotel at a nice location, and you won't have such problems. For example, from my experience: Radisson City, Radisson Podil, aLoft, Hyatt, Hilton, Intercontinental.