Kyiv

[Ivan Buyan]

It has been stated many times (incuding few times in SprKiev21 awesome posts) that when inviting any girl to your apartment you must be careful with your belongings.

Here's a a story from Summer 2015.

My partner came from abroad and rented an apartment for few weeks in the center of Obolon (for those who don't know. Obolon is a nice district which gets really busy in summer because it has a lot of beaches. Its more of the residential area but it does have tons of hot ladies in warm months and some really good restaurants). Anyway, my partner speaks good russian, we had some drinks, weed and decided to invite couple girls from a website.

We were not drunk, we knew all the precautions and had all the valuable things stored in a place unreachable.

So a pimp sent us a taxi with 2 girls, they were good looking and we took them. We did drink some more whiskey all together, talked, smoked and had fun. The girls were easy going and I liked their company.

We were super horny after couple hours of such talking to semi naked girls all on weed and booth.

So we had sex, the girls left, I tiped 20 dollar each for really good service (even though when they just came we paid upfront on the very first minute they steped into the apartment).

And then we found out that my partner lacks the diamond ring on his finger. First we thought we lost it before hookers came but then we checked photos we made that night and the ring was there before hookers came.

The hooker was sucking on his fingers during sex and took the ring!

So be careful. Never underestimate how crazy Kiev girls may be.

Next day we called the site, talked to the pimp, told we lost the ring and were even ready to pay for it but noone cared.

[Riina]

Knowing local girls and having them to refer other girls to you, as YummyPL has told to be having, seems like the best way.

The guy with the time and a deep wallet with a bit of persistence has all the pussy he needs in Kiev.

[Kozerog]

Keep in mind that Ukrainian girls (same like girls from any other country) like to look sexy but do not like sex.

If a woman admits she wants sex, that reduces her sexual power. In the extreme case where the woman wants sex morev than the man, the man has the sexual power. This is acceptable in northern Europe or the USA, because woman have legal, political and economic power in those countries. But in Ukraine, and especially for poor working girls, sex is girls' only source of power, so they guard that power jealously, by pretending not to like sex. They only relax when they are confident the man will not take advantage of their display of enjoyment, such as by saying "You enjoyed the sex even more than me, so why should I pay you instead of you paying me?" With Photoslider, presumably the girls have confidence that he would not say this or something similar.

My own experience is that I often have to force Ukrainian girls (and sexually conservative American girls long ago) to enjoy. Basically, girl lies quietly, then after 25 or so minutes she cannot control herself anymore and involuntarily orgasms when I do. So she can tell herself that it was entirely my decision to make her cum, and since she never expressed any desire for sexual pleasure, she has lost none of her sexual power. I prefer this sort of sex because it lasts longer. (Note that I practice sexual kung fui, and am multi-orgasmic and my orgasms are not ejaculatory. Ability to control my orgasms precisely helps a lot with forcing sexually restrained girls to orgasm.).

Though I'm not actively looking now, I want to thank SprKiev21 for probably the best report this forum has ever had. Only thing I'll add is that you don't have to be connected to that network of pimps he mentioned to get access to lots of non publicly available girls. All you need is to find one semi-pro, treat her nicely, then get her to connect you to her friends. As your reputation spreads, you will soon have your own network. But this does take time.

As for language, my impression is that English levels are rapidly rising. Almost all the young people speak at A2 level now, though they may be shy to admit it because FSU education system teaches students to be terrified of making grammar mistakes. A2 level English plus sign language is plenty enough for mongering. I speak B1 Russian myself (understand B2, read at C1 level).

[SprKiev21]

I'm actually glad that I didn't have the chance to read that before my trip. A very good contribution to this issue. Kiev is a joy to visit because the girls are so flirtatious in their sexual appeal, but for me the action side was left as poor. I had four Mamba contacts which wanted to meet, but which I actually skipped. I will get better (best) service from my regular back at home at basicky the same price. I enjoyed the city very much, there is eye candy everywhere. If I weren't so shy towards approaching strangers in sexual context, I would have had better success ("8"'s) on the street than on a ton of hours spent on the internet. What I think of this now is that if one had a solid Tinder profile and a good rapport on communicating girls through chatting, it might be the best venue to find company. But this is just guessing. Knowing local girls and having them to refer other girls to you, as YummyPL has told to be having, seems like the best way.

On Tinder just be careful. If you managed to setup a date than invite the girl to the place of your choice and if she's trying to drug you somewhere else than you should cancel the date for your own benefit.

[Desin]

I'm actually glad that I didn't have the chance to read that before my trip. A very good contribution to this issue. Kiev is a joy to visit because the girls are so flirtatious in their sexual appeal, but for me the action side was left as poor. I had four Mamba contacts which wanted to meet, but which I actually skipped. I will get better (best) service from my regular back at home at basicky the same price. I enjoyed the city very much, there is eye candy everywhere. If I weren't so shy towards approaching strangers in sexual context, I would have had better success ("8"'s) on the street than on a ton of hours spent on the internet. What I think of this now is that if one had a solid Tinder profile and a good rapport on communicating girls through chatting, it might be the best venue to find company. But this is just guessing. Knowing local girls and having them to refer other girls to you, as YummyPL has told to be having, seems like the best way.

[PhotoSlider]

Keep in mind that Ukrainian girls (same like girls from any other country) like to look sexy but do not like sex.

I must be living on a different planet. Especially as it relates to Ukrainian girls. How else would I explain the following episodes:

Taking Sasha, a tall 19 years old beauty, from behind, after we had some passionate fore play. And I see that she gets agitated, but I had a long day, and attempted to slow down. She turned back looking at me, and demanded that I go harder. And this is not a unique occurrence. I've heard this "Don't stop please!" a few times from different girls in Kiev. Never happened to me in Spain, or California, or Canada.

Or yet another beautiful 19 years old Mika, marketologist, University student, sweaty from missionary, happily smiling, and sincerely exclaiming after a long DFK: "Thank you!

Or another girl, surprisingly also 19 years old, must be the age, right! We had only 90 minutes until her train departure, and still away from my apartment. I asked if she wants to go to my place, and she confidently replied with proverbial: "I do!

Ukrainian girls do like sex. Perhaps not with 7-8 different tourists in the last 12 hours, but even those type of girls can be taken properly. I've seen both. Lazy whining bitches that I kicked out of the bed, and true gems having one orgasm after another.

I suspect everybody understands that generalization doesn't serve the justice. Always, everybody, all, - doesn't apply to such a diverse commodity market as Ukraine.

[Ydkjac]

Hi guys,

Initially I wanted this to be a basic trip report but since I have not been contributing to this forum for a couple of years I have ended up writing a several chapters essay (took me few weeks to complete) sharing my experience.

Wow what a comprehensive report thank you so much.

[SprKiev21]

Apartments. For many years there used to be around 30 apartments around city center (tochka) managed by 1 guy (Vasya) with a price range of 1500 – 4000 UAH. My 2 favorite places was 42 Vasilkovskaya and 13 Kreschatik. This business model had collapsed about a year ago, but not due to COVID. One of my friends told me that Vasya had to give up or sell this business to get local officials of his back so as of today there are only 10 locations and under "new management" the quality of girls went downhill dramatically. I've visited 5 places and none of the girls looked above 5. For many years some local Kiev girls come work in apartments to raise some cash overnight. Or girls from other cities for start-up in capital city and Now it looks like all apartments are stuffed with average looking "village" type of girls. I mean not ugly but also not fuckable to my standards. So, my Apartment Score = zero.

Tips for newbies:

Best time to visit apartments is between 8-11 pm. Exercise sort of "Casting" approach so this will save you time and cash in the future. Allocate 2-3 hours of your valuable time. Go to Arena and pick up a driver nearby (should be mid-aged English speaking so he has enough energy to take you around). Explain him an objective for your trip and will need to visit multiple places until you find what you need.

Visiting multiple apartments may cost you around 500 – 1000 UAH but believe me it's worth it as you'll be able to see the full pictures and help you to make educated decision.

If you prefer better looking girls than do not visit any places with price-tag lower than 2000 UAH this will save you some time and efforts. The driver will start making phone calls and will take you to various places. When inside of apartment you'll see a small selection of girls 3-5 (used to be 7-12 under Vasya management) . If you happened to like any of the girl (highly unlikely) than do not tell anybody that you want to stay with her or invite her to your place. Instead you should ask her name and get contact information either from driver or apartment manager (pimp). So basically, your objective is to visit as many apartments as possible and get as many contacts as you can. So, you can get back home and call back any girl you want to see. That's a bit time and energy consuming process (like shopping in multiple stores) but at the end you'll save tones of time and $$.

When a girl comes to visit you there is a good chance, she speaks very little or no English. I suggest make some fun out of it and use google translator so this will relax her a bit. Offer a drink but do not make your introductory for longer than 10 minutes. Another 5-10 minutes for shower so you have 40 minutes for sex. Keep in mind that Ukrainian girls (same like girls from any other country) like to look sexy but do not like sex. So be prepare for a different type of mood swinging like "don't touch here and there" . "I forgot condoms" . "this will cost you extra" etc. All services should be negotiated upfront and frankly you won't get much. Their standard settings for 2000-3000 UAH Massage, CBJ, and basic positions. If you get lucky, she might allow you to do COB but it's highly unlikely. Keep all valuables in the safe place to make sure you don't "loose" it afterwards. If you want to "memorize" your experience using hidden cameras than be very careful as many girls are very good in detecting these devices. So your "date" will be terminated on spot and you'll feel like a complete idiot. If for whatever reason your meeting did not go well and you need to get your anger out of you. Than please don't bother complaining back to pimps bc nobody will give the shit about you and your feelings. The best you can do is to write a negative review on *** or whatever.

Massage Places. - There are few erotic massage places I can recommend: adele.com.ua afrodita.net.ua caramel-massag.com.ua erotic-massage. Org erotic-massage-kiev.com erotic-time.com.ua fiesta-massage.com.ua honeysalon. Kiev. Ua moulin-rouge. Kiev. Ua relaxmassage. Kiev. Ua salondream. Kiev. Ua salonretro. Kiev. Ua topless-club. Kiev. Ua vipmassage. Kiev. Ua.

Most of these are not very expensive and might have some pretty girls depending on the time of the day and your luck. The advantage of these is that you don't really need a taxi driver to get to these places. Just contact by WhatsApp / Viber and they'll get you all the info you need. Don't pay attention for the pictures they send these are sort of "generic" profiles. They are pretty much opened for public 24/7. Also, the crew could be much prettier than the girls you find in apartments. Also, sometime I use this option as a "worm up" and it really puts me in the right mood prior to meeting with a girl for real sex.

The disadvantage of these places is that normally there is no Full Sex or BJ contact – It's more about relaxation and they might jerk you off at the end of the session. The other disadvantage is that these places are very popular among locals as well. So most likely you will not be able to find your "hidden treasure" on spot as any girl with looks above 6 are easily spotted by VIP clients and most-likely will not be available for your ad-hock visit. So in the best case scenario you'll have to make an appointment for later days to see this specific girl. So, even thought you've got what you need. You still ask yourself a simple question. "Why I've spent so much time money and energy traveling to Kiev? Just to get a basic erotic massage? Maybe I'd better of stay at home or go to Germany for FKK? Well it's common sense. But it's completely up to you.

[SprKiev21]

Thanks for the comprehensive updates SprKiev21 and vitrea.

It doesn't paint a great picture for a newbie. The prices quoted are higher than Western Europe so I think I will change my plans and look elsewhere as my trip is purely leisure not business.

I'm adding 1 chapter (forgot to include) - It's about apartments and massage places. Read it in.

[SprKiev21]

Thanks for the comprehensive updates SprKiev21 and vitrea.

It doesn't paint a great picture for a newbie. The prices quoted are higher than Western Europe so I think I will change my plans and look elsewhere as my trip is purely leisure not business.

Well, It all really depends on you expectations and if you're not too picky about girls looks than you might like what Kiev has to offer for $100 or even lower. Otherwise. Save your bucks.

[Jingo10]

Well. SprKiev21 just answered your question with a very comprehensive Kiev guide for 2021. You are going for a month so should have good success in one or more of the venues. Different things work for different people. As you can see from th text book that SprKiev wrote, there is plenty of action but how much you end up paying and the quality you get for it, is highly variable and a major factor being your ability to speak Russian. My Russian is zero.

Thanks for the comprehensive updates SprKiev21 and vitrea.

It doesn't paint a great picture for a newbie. The prices quoted are higher than Western Europe so I think I will change my plans and look elsewhere as my trip is purely leisure not business.

[Vitrea]

Well. SprKiev21 just answered your question with a very comprehensive Kiev guide for 2021. You are going for a month so should have good success in one or more of the venues. Different things work for different people. As you can see from th text book that SprKiev wrote, there is plenty of action but how much you end up paying and the quality you get for it, is highly variable and a major factor being your ability to speak Russian. My Russian is zero.

Hi vitrea, is there enough happening for a newbie in Kiev, I'm planning on a month but may travel around. I'm used to apartment set ups but prefer Indies. Final resort would be massage places. I'm not too fussed about overnights or nightclubs. TIA.

[SprKiev21]

Hi guys,

Initially I wanted this to be a basic trip report but since I have not been contributing to this forum for a couple of years I have ended up writing a several chapters essay (took me few weeks to complete) sharing my experience. Well, I've just completed my first post-COVID business trip to Kiev since February 2020 and before that I used to visit Kiev for work 3, 4 times annually since 2012. I'm in IT business and we have affiliated offshore partners all over Ukraine, Russia and Poland so I have to travel frequently to drop off new projects and pickup completed once. This time I've spent in Kiev about a month and there was very slow on business side so being away from my lovely family I've dedicated more time to my personal needs.

Being visiting Ukraine for so many years I have accumulated 100+ contacts for the local talents into my Red-Book. Obviously many of them have moved away to other countries or got married, but I still have managed to catch up with 9 girls I have met in the past. All good-looking ranging from 7 to 9. But all of them come with a solid price-tag $200-$500. I have also met 5 new ladies. And that's a bit disappointing since the number of local talents shrank down dramatically over the years.

So, anyways. The important part I'd like you to comprehend is that there are 2 channels for getting girls in Kiev. The first is an Open or Public channel specifically dedicated for sex tourists and that's basically 90% of this forum discussions including. Strip clubs, apartments, mamba, tinder, GIA, and whatever else is out there.

The second channel is a sort of very private channel and it's only accessible for locals who have good $$$ and good connections. So, most of the girls I meet I get from 2 local pimps who has affiliation with modeling agencies, private college students etc and they always have a good pull of new talents. But like I said earlier the price-tag does not come cheap. Most of the girls cherish their privacy (Kiev is a big village) and prefer long-term engagement at full discretion. The other part of this is that I speak fluent Russian (actually native) and have lots of good friends and girlfriends in Kiev who are close to adult entertainment industry in Ukraine so I have some luxury for getting the right hints (they call it "tema" in Russian) and attend the right parties.

So anyways – I hope I have described this clearly for the guys who have an imagination for coming to Kiev for a couple of days and fucking model-type girl for $100 (all services included). Well it used to be like that back in 90's. But today. 150% it's not going to happen.

Now, let's talk about Open Mongering Chanel and what options you guys have coming to Kiev and following basic tourists steps. Well – Unfortunately not much. I mean you might get lucky but most of you will end-up with disappointment. I've done some actions on this side and only succeeded 3 times (speaking fluent Russian and having bunch of local friends around). I'll try to make my story as informative as possible so you guys can learn from it. So please refer to my next postings for details:

[SprKiev21]

Rio. Visited Thursday late night. Around 35 dancers on the floor but 90% of them are average looking. One girl looked OK (pretty face and proportional tits / ass combination) but she had disappeared very quickly))) Rio used to have hot girls with take out option for $300 . Well I know the floor manager for many years and he's clearly explained that the golden times for RIO are over. I mean they still have few hot girls around but those are not available for take-out. Bc club pays them extra $$ to attract customers and they pull enough cash on private dances (despite the poor quality of girls the place was pretty packed for Thursday night) so these "cheerleaders" are not really interested to jump into your bed. The next-door club "Tootsies" has a bar type settings and frankly I'm not a big fan of this establishment so I didn't bother to come-in. Basically, the rule of thumb is if RIO is slow than you won't have much fun at Tootsies either. Also (just FYI) another RIO branch Scarlet (President hotel) was recently Closed.

Harem – visited Saturday night with my coworker friend from UK. The quality of girls used to be much lower than in RIO and now it's about the same level not because Harem has gotten better but because RIO has gotten worse. The place wasn't too busy for Saturday night and I had a lap dance with a one slim blond. Very robotic action with limited touching. I think that she was available for take out but I didn't bother to ask as she wasn't really into it and I'm not a big fan of sleeping with Icebergs.

Dolls. After leaving Harem we moved straight to Dolls. . The place was filled about 50% with around 20 dancers on the floor. The quality of girls was a bit better than in Harem. I've spotted few girls I'the qualify 7 and 8 but was not in the mood to any lap-dances so I tipped Nina 200 UAH (slim brunette with natural be+ boobs) and asked her to join us at our table for chit-chat. She came back 20 minutes later and joined us for drinks (here you need to be careful to monitor which drink a girl is ordering cause you might get very frustrated at check out) so anyways I asked her if she's OK with take out option and she says "Yes" "but not today" - She explained that she already left the club earlier with a client for a couple of hours and feels a bit exhausted. She suggested I came back at another day earlier time so we can hookup. At the same time my friend pulled out a toll red-head girl with fake boobs. She was 100% not my type but we're all have different taste so I've respected his choice. She also spoke decent English and that's probably what had attracted him in the first place because he speaks zero Russian. Anyways – they've made arrangement to his place and left. It was around 4 am and I decided to stay until the final call and not much had happened during this timeframe. Spoke to waitress about take out politics and she explained that almost every girl is available for take out but that depends on business of the club. Normally it's $250-300 for a couple of hours and the services you get will be very basic. The good thing is that these days "take out" options in Dolls Is sort of more liberal than in RIO and it used to be the opposite way.

Princess. This one is really caught my attention. Used to be a shit-hole for many years but it's got much better under new management. Visited on Sunday night after having few drinks with my friends nearby. The place is completely redecorated with 3 dancing stages, nice set of erotic TVs and a huge bar in the conner. There were about 20 girls on the floor most of them looking above average (definitely better than RIO) . And few I'd classify 7/8. Also, it looked like all girls had a solid dancing background performing acrobatic tricks on pole. I've notices a short-haired blond with very pretty face and be+ tits which looked very cute on her slim body. Asked her for lap-dance (600 UAH) and we had a pretty good time the only disadvantage is that the cabins for private dances are very dark. Anyways, she joined me later at my table and I wanted to order a drink for her but she preferred sushi. Natasha (her name) looked pretty good so I offered her to continue party at my place without much hope for positive response but to my surprise she had agreed to my offer without much hesitation. She said that normally she doesn't leave the club if it's busy but that night it was very slow so she agreed for outcall. Also (as she told me later) she had a solid escorting background and was touring to France and Italy working for an agency making some serious cash before COVID and now she stuck in Kiev waiting for Europe to open. So, I paid 300 $ to the manager and we left to my apartment on club's Taxi. It was almost 4 am and we had a pretty good time until 6 am. Overall this was a very positive experience and I wouldn't mind to see her again but she'd refused to exchange phone#. She said that she doesn't hooks up outside of the club business, suggested to come back another day to pick her up (if available).

Tips for newbies:

When visiting strip-clubs with "take-out" in mind consider the following places: Princess, Dolls, Harem, RIO (last on my list and used to be first) . You should skip: Penthouse (full of scam and ugly girls), Rhino and Burlesque ("take out" not available. They used to have hot girls for lap dances but not any more).

In general, it looks like the quality of dancers had declined dramatically over the years. I mean 5 years ago coming to RIO you may see at least 5 pretty girls out of 20 but these days are over. So keep your expectations on the lower level.

"Take Out" policies may change in the club depending on how business goes and specific girls. Keep in mind that more attractive girls (if you find any) are usually making good $$ on private dances so she'd prefer to stay in the rather than sucking your dick for the rest of the night. Also the management of the club is trying to keep them indoor as "cheer-leaders" to attract more customers.

So, by visiting any of the clubs there is 95% chance that you will not find what you looking for. This obviously depends on your preferences (if you like to fuck average looking girl for 300 $ than your chances are increase to 60%.

$250-$300 is a standard price across (Harlem and Dolls used to be cheaper but not any more) and even though you'd managed to get the girl you like into your than do not expect anything "special" . The quality of time you spend together will be a bit better than spending time with apartment girl but do not expect anything spectacular.

So, the bottom line. Just do some Math. Visiting strip club will cost you at least $100 (entrance fee + drinks) than you spend another $100 tipping girls + private dances or inviting a dancer to your table. Than (if you get "lucky") another $300 for the girl. So, the question will pop up: "How come I've spent $500 in Kiev tonight? "Is this really worth it?

[SprKiev21]

This used to be my favorite option many years ago. Just go to a night-club and get what you need. Obviously. For those who remember "River Palace" . That was a stop # 1 in Kiev. Well, unfortunately these days are gone forever. I've done some observation on this trip with a very little hope to get something out of it. So, here is the story.

Buddha-Bar – Used to be a good place for foreigners and locals to stop by for a few drinks and check out working girls. The quality of girls had declined over the years but even 2 years ago I've managed to pickup a nice semi-pro girl Yana for $300. The place was shut down about year ago, so no more Buddha Bar.

Chi – Glamourous Place which had a decent selection of "Dolls" . I had luck a couple of times and most of these ladies are still active on my contact list. The place was also closed last year.

De*Fleur – (Used to be the*Lux) . Never liked that place because of stupid face-control bouncers at the entrance. I personally never had trouble getting in because I speak fluent Russian and always had a girl company, but my foreign friends and colleagues always had hard time. Now they operate only on weekends and "YES" There are lots of single chicks inside the club but beware of scam models they exercise. They get paid by establishment to get you to buy more food and drinks. They are acting like they're working girls and ready to join you into your bad. But on reality there is 90% chance they'll drop you off at the end of the "party" and you'll end up paying a huge bill. So, I suggest to avoid this place or go with experienced guide.

SkyBar – Same as De*Fleur + some crazy college kids.

Caribbean – Went with my UK friend just to show him around. There was a girls-band playing some shitty Russian pop-music. The place was pretty busy with male / female ratio 70/30. Mostly guys from middle-eastern countries who spend in Kiev decent amount of time. Mostly average looking girls and very few singles (most came to the club with company). I've spotted a good looking blond (early 30 wearing sexy dress) She was sitting by the bar with a glass of wine aside from the crowd. I set next to her and asked if she enjoyed party so far. She was very straight forward with me because I spoke clean Russian. So she told me that she's not "for sale" and she gets commissions from the club for making guys buying drinks. We chatted for a bit longer and then she excused herself into the bathroom, so it was clear that she wasn't looking for my company. I actually always liked Caribbean for exercising liberal approach for the tourists and locals (virtually no face control). And years ago the place was packed with single girls well. Not anymore.

Forsage – Full of college kids. Some girls are good looking but not available for P4 P also not looking for sugar daddies. If you are young and good looking I suggest to visit this place to try your luck. And if you are 35+ than I don't think you'll feel comfortable visiting this place. Also be careful with drinks and prices. I suggest you get beer or wine. Hard liquors and cocktails are not only overpriced but heavily mixed with different garbage so may not be able to monger for a couple of days after consuming these drinks. One Ukrainian guy told me "I never drink inside of these places. I always get drunk before I go there" Think it's a great idea. Identical places: Indigo, Sorry Babushka (temporary closed).

Avalon – Few years ago used to pick up working girls on upper level (terrace) after midnight and few of them are still active on my contact list. So this time I hooked up with a girl Anna whom I met 2 years back at Avalon and after a good banging session she suggested we go back to Avalon to celebrate our reunion. She's actually being married and lives in Germany but visits Kiev frequently to take care of her elder parents. So, we got to Avalon at about 11 pm and while drinking, eating and talking I was observing action around. Male / female ratio 60/40. Mostly couples and companies. There were few tables with single ladies but they didn't look like working girls as their tables where full of food. 2 Ladies where sitting next to us. Looking like high-end prostitutes. I noticed a couple of single Turkish guys were trying to pick them by offering them to move to their table, but it looks like these girls were not looking for any action. Other than that. Avalon is pretty good place to hang out with a girl or friends but I don't think you'll score in any type of P4P action. Also beware of prices – Scams going on all tourist places (including high-end venues).

Veranda – Similar to Avalon. Used to have some hookers but not anymore. Also, they used to be opened until 6 am and now shut down at 12.

Shooters – 10 Years ago was #1 on my list. Ladies night every Wednesday and Sunday used to be packed with semi-pros Food was also great but These days are gone: Now it's a shit-hole. Still functioning but opened only once a week on Sunday.