Kyiv

[Samba2018]

Hey guys,

Will be in Kiev on the 25th till April 1st if anyone wants to hang out.

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The remaining 40 or more weeks this girl almost certainly will find it irresistible to use her resources economically and try to make her lifestyle more luxurious by meeting other men in the absence of me.

And if she is not supposed to be exclusive, it must be a lot less expensive for me to pay a regular girl on an hourly or daily basis when I am in Kyiv.

For most of the girls it is not about luxury, but rather making ends meet. I know, I know, many of them flash the latest iPhone model and Gucci purse bag, but more often than not it is money to pay rent, food, clothes.

You are absolutely correct, young women usually do not manage their resources economically, hence the opportunities for local males and incoming visitors.

There is no way the girl anywhere, Kiev included, would stay dedicated exclusively while her counterpart is away most of the year. They not only need money, but also social and physical interaction. Scams have nothing to do with this. If remote admirer decides to transfer rent money, the girl would be stupid not to accept it, but her diversifying with others doesn't mean she's unfaithful. Would marriage help? I mean, most of us are not that dumb to marry a girl that is 25-30-40 years younger. And even stamp in the passport doesn't guarantee anything. Up to both partners to keep it exclusive and exciting, no promises or official documents really mean anything except for potential headache and liability later on.

What's the solution? Go to Kiev in person, and have the different ones as often as your soul desires. Discussion on ISG Forum does not help to figure it out, paying them remotely does not. Only having sex with them directly, and rotating frequently does weed out the unreliable ones, and solidifies those temporarily of more interest to your personal needs. Dynamic optimization with moving targets in volatile environment. Trial and error. If you are bold enough, - move to Kiev, but that is not for faint hearted. I would. Currently contemplating the ifs.

One of my female acquaintances sent a Telegram message this past Friday, asking what I think of a certain iPhone model. I told her to buy two of them, and FedEx me one as a present. Hehehe. And still she doesn't let me go, even though I explicitly told her that she can meet others. While I am in Kiev, those boys call her throwing tantrums, but she chooses to stay with me because "They are all not nearly as special. You know how to court, and make me feel a woman. " Guess during my visits I improve her life more than they do.

Yes, I did send Western Union in the past. Trying not to do that anymore. My income is high, and I consider it a charity donation, certainly not an insurance against any of the girls being promiscuous.

[Ringudor]

I just finished transferring 4500 uah to my regular (two times visit), who got sacked from job and needed to pay rent. Her request seemed genuine to me, it is the first time I help her like this. Is she becoming a SB by some definition?

You never know, but I guess she made the same "genuine" request to other 30 guys.

Is so common there, some freeby girls I met in badoo did the same request to me, but I never trusted.

[Junior77]

Thanks for the enlightenment.

And this thread uses this term, SB, for a special kind of relationship between a local girl and a visiting lover? With some regular payments and gifts.

Or is it more a definition of the character or the looks of the girl?

I must say that I find it extremely unlikely that a girl will be exclusive companion for a tourist like me, even if I try to spend 5-10 weeks in Kyiv every year. My experience also teaches me this. The remaining 40 or more weeks this girl almost certainly will find it irreistable to use her resources economically and try to make her lifestyle more luxurious by meeting other men in the absence of me.

And if she is not supposed to be exclusive, it must be a lot less expensive for me to pay a regular girl on an hourly or daily basis when I am in Kyiv.

Maybe you guys can better explain this to me. I just finished transferring 4500 uah to my regular (two times visit), who got sacked from job and needed to pay rent. Her request seemed genuine to me, it is the first time I help her like this. Is she becoming a SB by some definition?

I personally don't send any money to any girl even if I fucked her sever times in Kiev as I always paid her in a way or in another. I don't know what is your relationship with this girl but many of my friends during last year had received requests for economical help, which they refused at once and I would do the same.

Ukrainian girls are famous to be hungry for money and make up excuses (and cocks, of course), being said that anyone is free to do what they want with their money, is just my humble opinion.

[VinDici]

Did something happen in Kiev with the apartments / salons last night? Seems like all my saved Telegram channels are inactive today, usually they will be online and answer 24/7.

[Desin]

Looking for girls online beforehand is starting to feel like second job.

So.

Would it be possible for those who know apartments (salons) where English is spoken and the girls are good enough ("pretty girl-next-door" should be acceptable indicator for almost everyone?) that they'd tell them here? And then it would just be work on the ground to find one's way to there.

[Guntherus]

Thanks for the enlightenment.

And this thread uses this term, SB, for a special kind of relationship between a local girl and a visiting lover? With some regular payments and gifts.

Or is it more a definition of the character or the looks of the girl?

I must say that I find it extremely unlikely that a girl will be exclusive companion for a tourist like me, even if I try to spend 5-10 weeks in Kyiv every year. My experience also teaches me this. The remaining 40 or more weeks this girl almost certainly will find it irreistable to use her resources economically and try to make her lifestyle more luxurious by meeting other men in the absence of me.

And if she is not supposed to be exclusive, it must be a lot less expensive for me to pay a regular girl on an hourly or daily basis when I am in Kyiv.

Maybe you guys can better explain this to me. I just finished transferring 4500 uah to my regular (two times visit), who got sacked from job and needed to pay rent. Her request seemed genuine to me, it is the first time I help her like this. Is she becoming a SB by some definition?

[Ringudor]

What is SB?

Sugar Baby.

[Riina]

What is SB?

Sugar baby.

[Guntherus]

...In terms of real SBs ....

What is SB?

[Kgalt]

It's well beyond girls asking for money. SA Ukraine is a platform for scam enterprise. You literally have office space devoted to fleecing foreigners.

This is probably true unless your location is set to Kiev. I've had a couple of scammers I reported but honestly not too bad. They are generally ignoring me and I assume fishing for guys outside of Ukraine.

In terms of real SBs actually in Kiev, I met 2 and have 1-2 more on WhatsApp that seem genuine. One seems to be an escort who asked for $300 and would only go to a hotel, not an apartment (didn't meet her).

[DramaFree11]

It's well beyond girls asking for money. SA Ukraine is a platform for scam enterprise. You literally have office space devoted to fleecing foreigners.

Yep, so true. Unbelievable how some guys claim scams are not an issue in Ukraine. It is real bad, newbies need to be very careful. There are scams everywhere. Restaurant, Stores and bars, so sad.

[Riina]

It is true but kgalt bro suggested a work around in a post below. Too many Ukrainian girls ask for money transfer on seeking. Has anyone else experienced this?

It's well beyond girls asking for money. SA Ukraine is a platform for scam enterprise. You literally have office space devoted to fleecing foreigners.

[SfoCowboy]

Good for the mongers as many of these girls look to find a sponsor from Dubai etc. If they are in real need of money they have to hook up with someone already in Ukraine and that ain't going to happen with exorbitant allowances.

Yes, it still works if you have your home set as Kiev. However, there is a drastic reduction of activity there with no new girls joined in about 2 weeks when it is normally 1-3 every day. Some girls are still logging on but very few. I assume not many men there now. It might be a tragedy. It might be an opportunity. I don't currently have a membership.

[YummyPL]

It is true but kgalt bro suggested a work around in a post below. Too many Ukrainian girls ask for money transfer on seeking. Has anyone else experienced this?

Yes, it still works if you have your home set as Kiev. However, there is a drastic reduction of activity there with no new girls joined in about 2 weeks when it is normally 1-3 every day. Some girls are still logging on but very few. I assume not many men there now. It might be a tragedy. It might be an opportunity. I don't currently have a membership.