Kyiv

[AntonySun1996]

The UAH / USD exchange rate has been rising at a significant speed recently. I'm wondering if this is a sign that the Ukrainian economy is booming or that the economy is just in the process of returning to the pre-war level. Either way this is not a good news for foreigners residing in Ukraine for mongering or other purposes. I am planning to buy some grivnas to mitigate the risk of future exchange rate increases.

[David42]

How can I get the most from my short stay? Here's my opinion.

Monday-.

Worst day of the week. Girls / society is far too serious / moralistic, and not very interested in sex.

High end strip / hooker clubs are still open but vibe is work mode.

Tuesday-.

Good day for trying contacts and bartering for lower prices, or catching up on regulars.

High end clubs still work mode.

Wednesday-.

Girls begin to warm up a bit.

Still a good day for cheap punts / bartering with contacts.

Shooters has ladies night.

Thursday-.

The girls begin to think about the Friday which is their going out night. So online is hot.

In most areas, women are out and about trying to make money.

Great day to hit apartments between 6 pm and 10 pm- hottest girls are picked off early. Lots of girls available.

Friday-.

This is the evening / night to go out on the pull as its termed 'lecherous woman' night, when girls let loose.

Bad day for online hunting or securing contacts, or punting.

Saturday.

Girls are still in a good mood so its a mixture of social and work for them, depending on many factors shaping their thinking.

Apartments can be very busy after 9 pm, so often, not many girls available.

Still a good bar / club day.

Sunday-.

Similar to Thursday for apartments, great girl choice between 6-9 pm.

Online is hot for contacts.

The social scene is pretty good midday until about 9/10 pm, so cafes, bars, better than clubs.

Trip timing-.

End of the month- girls need to pay rent / bills, social life is better as people get paid.

Thu / Fri. Sun is the choice if you only want 3/4 days.

Just before festivals or holiday periods, when money is required.

I guess the message is to begin thinking from the point of view of a working girl. Finding / contacting her when she is in financial need.

Wen she isn't, I have found that its like talking to a different girl. Morals overwhelming money.

[Questner]

Girls there may well know this quote: "You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed. " ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince.

Men in Latin America though usually have a spouse, a lover, and occasional hookers. I rarely do same hooker more than for three nights, and long term relationship rarely lasts over two months. However, I believe this world has been created for a couple to enjoy, and staying a lonely man or woman without love is not the right way.

[Kozerog]

...My estimates for the last 7 weeks trip proved that bang for the buck (the price of one shot on the target) with hourly call girls is substantially cheaper than with rental GFs staying over at my residence. About twice as cheap as compared to affordable decent rental GFs.

Your prices estimates are similar to my experience (I pay my regular about twice what I would pay if I wasn't trying to lock her down with golden handcuffs). However, criterion for economical mongering should be happiness (including happy memories) per dollar spent, not orgasms per dollar / "bang per buck". Anyway, if you want cheap orgasms, nothing beats masturbation or a Fleshlight or this contraption: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...;v=UWOXeDulvsI.

I think many older guys who monger are looking to finally experience the type of ideal girlfriend (beautiful, always friendly and sexually available) that they wanted when they were younger, but couldn't get for whatever reason. I had a girlfriend about as pretty as my current Kyiv regular, back when I was 30 yo. But that girlfriend was troublesome to deal with, had limited interest in sex (other than when I openly flirted with other girls, meaning more trouble), spent too much time around me without having sex, so that I was simultaneously sexually frustrated and bored, and so on. Finally got rid of her. The women I went with after that were older and had high interest in sex, but were incompatible in other respects than sex. I certainly wasn't going to marry a woman 10 years older, meaning too old for children and unfit for and uninterested in being a mother besides, who dressed like a hooker, cursed like gangster's "good times girl" when she lost her temper, screamed like such a maniac during sex so that the whole apartment building complained, etc.

I don't see a problem, in itself, in marrying an ex-prostitute. Problem with me and my current Kyiv regular is the 30 year age difference. I'm at a point where I like being alone most of the time, so am pretty much unfit for marrying any woman, but especially unfit for someone who has her whole life ahead. I'm actually happy that she sees other men and never contacts me when I'm gone. Gives me the freedom to go off bicycling by myself in the desert like I'm doing now. When I come to Kyiv, she shows up reliably, is perfectly behaved for the several hours we are together, then reliably disappears. Like the girl in that television show "I Dream of Jeannie", who lived in a bottle until her master summoned her, then was supposed to shrink and go back into the bottle when master wanted that. Except Jeannie / Genie in that show was often troublesome (refused to go back into her bottle when so commanded, for example).

Even fully depreciated assets with zero book value are often is use for years and years. Marry a girl of your youth is a good advice. Wait too much, and as with searching for a parking space you'll see only handicapped spots left.

I'm planning on keeping my rental girlfriend indefinitely. But I'm aware that a girl so much younger might fall in love with a man closer to her age, or decide to have children, or otherwise disappear from my life at any time. So I prepare myself mentally for eventually having to seek a replacement. If she reaches age 40 (12 years from now), without marrying someone else, her book value might be close to zero in most men's eyes, but I might still find her attractive, based on having known her since she was much younger, so I might continuing seeing her until my own wheels fall off (sex no longer interests me) and handicapped spot is exactly what I'll be needing.

[TinyHippo]

Sounds like this dude had some shattered dreams. The problem I have with Ukrainians is that they never see a long term picture with me. Once that reality is clear with a girlfriend, it basically makes her a prostitute even if she's a normal girl. You have to get rid of all prostitutes sooner or later.

Life isn't the movie Pretty Woman.

If you pay to meet a girl, then never date her no matter what country you are in. You pay for fun and keep it at that. When your dick is buried in an 19 yo vagina, yeah you probably are dreaming of marrying her but you have to be smarter than that and separate paying from real dating. If you want a real girlfriend, meet her in a real and honest way. Just be smart enough not to be caught mongering.

[TinyHippo]

I have a question about girls with tinder profiles that only have an instagram in the description or say to write them on insta because they don't visit tinder often, etc. In your experiences, are they pros / semi-pros. I have had decent success on Mamba with finding good semi-pro student types in the past but if this is another avenue to find similar types, I would explore this option as well. Thanks in advance!

I think they do that only for new followers. If you have any success meeting them, be sure to post a report.

[TinyHippo]

I had 3 nights in Kiev. First night contacted a SP Antonio and he had three ranges of girls from 1500-2500 for a hour as outcall to my hotel. Chose a 1500 girl who arrived promptly at time. Went to lobby and brought her without issues. She was older than the pic. She wanted to give me massage and B2 be with cream first and than proceeded to CBJ and covered sex in different positions. She had a shower and left soon after with 200 more for taxi.

The next day contacted a semipro val. Fixed the deed for 2000 for 1 hour as she was awesome. She arrived a little late due to traffic Jam, came directly to room. She had a very good face and body and gave one of the best GFE. After one session we drank a beer and extended the session for another hour. She could get me erect soon but couldn't get make me cum. But she was so friendly without any anger she tried her best by giving BBBJ, 69 and rimming and again took her in multiple positions in covered sex. It was the first time I did DATY and Rimming on a WG. She was very clean down there without any smell. I came after 30 minutes of effort and lots of sweating. She made my stay in Kiev something to remember. We chatted for some time in her limited knowledge of English and using google translator and then she had a shower and left.

My Rating for her is 10/10 in all aspects.

I went to a strip club called princess men's club which was very professional and good and the he next day Caribbean night club and danced till 3 am, There were many WGs in this club.

Ah that is "Valentina". I met her a couple years ago from Tinder and thought she was a semi-pro, but obviously she is a pro if she is still working two years later. I remember she had a great ass. Glad you had fun. 2000 well spent.

[TinyHippo]

Concerning the ID: I found quite often that the "Security" guy at the hotel asks girls entering with me their ID's actually. Which is always a bit of a "lust killer". Anyhow. At least it SEEMS that it's expected from women to be able to show ID.

Always wondering what these "security" guys expect? Me bribing them after all I can bring any girl I want to the hotel room, right?

What is your experience guys?

Come into the hotel holding her hand. I have done this and never been stopped. The security guy is not going to risk calling your wife / girlfriend an escort.

[David42]

TIPS.

From my experience, I have had to firstly go through the hassle of finding the physical door, getting the apartment no (difficult to wait outside in the winter), then you are in. Hoping that your timing is good and girl number is max. Fri, Sat, Sun 6-9 pm are good periods.

I found it easier to go with someone, preferably someone who can talk Russian and relax and distract the girls. This allows you to properly check out a girl physically, which is difficult when they are all staring at you!!

Its difficult to hang around long enough to assess their personalities so buy the overpriced drink and / or ask to smoke a ciggie. Creating more hanging around time.

Take all their names down, secretly noting the one you like.

Within 15 to 30 minutes, your work is done and you must leave or take a girl.

I have got used to doing this, telling the mamasan that I prefer to call a girl to my apartment than fuck on site. Which is actually the truth.

Unfortunately this valuable info may only be relevant for a short period as the girls lives and situations change so quickly. But it can save money on those punts when a crap girl arrives at your apartment and its an average 2 k wasted.

I have also found that a lot of mongers are too attached to their 'finds' to share this info. Lots of them seem to be looking for a perfect girlfriend, whether they are clear about it or not. This is perfectly normal in humans and I have no problems with it.

Personally, the way I see it is like this. Her pussy and attention is rarely exclusive to one person. So getting too involved will only result in pain upon discovery of her other lovers, local or foreign. Its easier said than done of course.

P.S. Get used to google translate, and if you're lucky / social enough, offer to pay a young Ukrainian guy, anyone that you may chat too, up to 500, to just go with you, to these apartments. I pay mine 500 for 4 hrs of visits, he's fucking useless with girls LOL, a total beta, but he's honest. And hopefully a long term friend.

[PhotoSlider]

Even fully depreciated assets with zero book value are often is use for years and years. Marry a girl of your youth is a good advice. Wait too much, and as with searching for a parking space you'll see only handicapped spots left.

I thought of ISG as a Sex Guide, not a marriage portal. I guess some perceive sex as part of marriage. Nothing wrong with that, except some Forum members steer away from marriage or any long term relationship. Either way is okay by me as long as sex is part of it. Long term, or 3 quickies a day with different girls. Different type of pleasure, but still a pleasure.

[Questner]

Even fully depreciated assets with zero book value are often is use for years and years. Marry a girl of your youth is a good advice. Wait too much, and as with searching for a parking space you'll see only handicapped spots left.

[Michi T]

Ok, would you have any concern about girls trying to steal valuables from the hotel room?

Thanks.

Honestly, YES. I would not leave any valuables easily accessible when a sex for money girl is around. That alone is for me a reason to stay in a hotel which has safe boxes in the room.

[Arkiloko]

Hell yeah! Had my $20 stick of man's deodorant stolen once.

20 $ deo stick? You spendthrift!

[Riina]

Forget monogamy! I would take it even a step further. No GF should last longer than few years. Change the frequently, change them often..

Sounds like this dude had some shattered dreams. The problem I have with Ukrainians is that they never see a long term picture with me. Once that reality is clear with a girlfriend, it basically makes her a prostitute even if she's a normal girl. You have to get rid of all prostitutes sooner or later.

[NoMarriage]

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