Kyiv

[SprKiev21]

Contacted 10-20 numbers on Keksik and Ukrgo, mostly unresponsive or too far out of town for me. Some numbers I had from previous trip no longer work. As has been said before and now I see it in practice. Kiev can delight or disappoint it just depends on the day. Was great weather enjoyed the city again but much less p4 p this time. And as has also been said before if you can base yourself there for a few months then your p4 p experience or local relationship chances should be much better. My 6 days is just too short.

That's very true. Kiev is a long-term game and need to be ready to spend significant amount of time and energy trying to get something decent out of it.

[SprKiev21]

1. It's a waist of time and energy trying to find something decent for less than $100 - If you're really looking for any luck on these sites you should start from $150 but still very little chance you'll really get what you expect.

2. Scan all pictures using Yandex image search https://yandex.com/images/ (it's blocked in Ukraine so you should use VPN) - Like if you ran a search for this girl that you've https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/escort/diana/355218 -.

Then You wouldn't make mistakes.

3. Forget about Mamba and Tinder as it's full of garbage and scams (Tinder) . Not even local pimps advertise there any more.

First visit to Kiev. I booked an Airbnb in the city centre. The weather is good and so is what you see on the street and in the metro. Quite a few of the young women here have already realized that a bra is a completely superfluous item of clothing for them. And God knows, they really don't need it. It really makes city strolling very pleasant.

Briefly about me: I'm in my mid-30's, slim (too slim according to many!) and tall. I look OK, but no one turns around to look at me when I enter a bar. But I can dress passably.

I have been here for a week now and here is some of my experience:

Escort ads:

https://relaxkiev.com/en/

https://intimgirls.net/

https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/

I have contacted several ads of these platforms, but only up to an amount of 3000 UAH per hour. It is interesting that sometimes the same girl has different prices on different sites..

[Kanto41]

Hi guys,

I'm currently in Kiev for a couple days and would be very grateful for some advice. (Inb4: I'm new to P4P but will share my experiences here). Basically I'm a young dude who desperately needs a good fuck. I don't want a stunner, just someone who is enthusiastic and will kiss and cuddle etc. Honestly a MILF would be ideal. The thing is, I would like to spend under 2000 and can't host. So my question is, can I (in a reliable manner) find what I'm looking for in Kiev and if so, how should I go about finding it? I've read tons online, however I'm even more confused on what exactly to do. I guess if no one recommends me anything, expect a report about a very unsatisfactory experience in the coming days.

[Ringudor]

If anyone has a clue how and where to get a decent Erotik massage here, I would appreciate it. An erotic massage is not 75% of the time lying on your stomach without seeing and touching anything and getting a handjob at the end. I'm looking for something more like petting. Mutual massage, stroking almost all the time. I like to feel the pussy intensively. And of course pretty women..

I have been to Kiev 2 month ago, I enjoyed my time in that massage place: https://redlight-massage.kiev.ua/en/girls/.

[Rugga]

Second Kiev trip in one month. This time came via Lviv (see my post on Lviv) and spent 6 days in Kiev. This trip did not go half as well as my previous trip just 3 weeks ago.

Had made two fantastic girlfriends on my last Kiev trip, who are the reason for me to return to Ukraine so soon, both civilians not P4 P. But broke up with a stunning girl, she having travelled from Kiev to Lviv just to meet me started misbehaving after a few days in Lviv. So had to throw her out of the hotel and she pissed off back to Kiev middle of the night. It happens. With benefit of hindsight I should have let her have her way just to keep banging this blue eyed blonde nearly 20 years younger. Second girlfriend I decided to cut off ties because although she never asked for any money she's got expensive taste and expects to be just dating and doesn't go into bed. Her excuse is it's too early and she doesn't want to be be pressured - I don't think she's a sophisticated scammer as she is the friend of an ex girlfriend from years back. Shame as I spent a few hundred Euros's on several dates with her. Maybe if I lived in Kiev could play the long game but no fuck that. Had a few other dates including a 24 year old I met in a bar but 6 days not enough to get a good local girl into bed. Still in contact with some so will see. Did get a decent MILF into bed on my last night (freebie) after 3 dates but she is no stunner.

Had two fantastic experiences in apartments that a taxi driver and a local tout took me. One take out to my hotel (4500 uah / hour) was just amazing, I think all their rooms were occupied so I had to take out and pay 300 taxi fare. Another in-call at an apartment for 3000 was one of the best p4 p experiences I ever had. There is this building 5 minutes behind McDonalds on Maidan has 3 or 4 apartments run by the same people. One apartment at 1500/ hour containing 5's and 6's not worth it. Another apartment with some 7's and 8's are 3000 uah. Went for a 20 year old, just great attitude and amazing sex twice. She let me take nude pics but not of her face. Driver said there is another apartment in the same building with even superior girls but they are 5-6000 uah. Decided it's a bit excessive. I find it odd that even in one apartment each girl has her price.

Contacted 10-20 numbers on Keksik and Ukrgo, mostly unresponsive or too far out of town for me. Some numbers I had from previous trip no longer work. As has been said before and now I see it in practice. Kiev can delight or disappoint it just depends on the day. Was great weather enjoyed the city again but much less p4 p this time. And as has also been said before if you can base yourself there for a few months then your p4 p experience or local relationship chances should be much better. My 6 days is just too short.

Kiev is full of tourists. Have a feeling come October when weather is cold the demand should fall and one might find it easier. But then again Kiev won't be fun in the freezing cold.

[YummyPL]

Hello everyone,

So I was thinking about visiting Kiev however, I was wondering if it is overhyped. I live in Germany, where brothels are abundant and decently priced. Is Kiev worth the trip over, and are the quality of women and price worth the trip? I was thinking of other places (Tallinn and Prague) but was wondering if Kiev is any better.

Tallinn, Vilnius, and Riga are all bad. In some ways they are worse than the USA, and that is bad. Just plain bad. A few years back I had some success in Prague but my experience is very limited.

I have lived in Germany off and on over 12 years. I used to love FKKs for a while, but they totally bore me now. Of course I have not been to one in a few years. I heard rumor from a friend that Shark's in Frankfurt that the girls are charging 100 Euro for 30 minutes. You have got to be out of your mind.

I've been Living in Kyiv for just over a year now. I'm still having a nice time with 3 new high quality girls found in August and still a good mix of regulars. Some of our board mates have sampled some of my referrals and have been happy.

Kyiv is not Germany. Completely different. Germany is super easy. Kyiv is rather difficult. But I still like Kyiv far more than I like Germany.

That said, if you only have a week, no real reason to leave Germany to come to Kiev unless you have friends here.

[Reef LostCause]

I recently spent a week in Kiev.
I had already been there in 2015.
Thanks to the forum members, especially SprKiev and RebelMC, whom I read while planning the trip.

To answer a basic question, since I live in a country which shares a border with Germany, I could have spared myself all the trouble and just go to an FKK, where service would have been cheaper and higher mileage.
However, I already had a couple of FKK trips this summer since reopening, and Kiev was my first faraway trip since COVID started. So there was a bit of excitment.
Let's also say that I like Ukraine girls much better than Romanians in terms of looks. And in Kiev, you have an endless supply of eye candy in the streets / shopping malls (it was a hot week, and girls were in summer clothes).


Tried 2 strip clubs: Rio and Dolls. Entry is 500 UAH in both of them, with drinks between 150-300.
Both had nice girls, and also ones who looked totally bored or unfuckable for me (too many tattoos / piercings). They rotate from stage to stage, so that you see fresh ones every 5 minutes.

I tried one takeout from Dolls, not one of the younger girls (30 I think) but with nice naturals.
I has to spend 200 UAH to tip her on stage, 2 x 200 for a couple of drinks, 1000 UAH for 2 privaye dances to break the ice, and finally 300 EUR for all-night takeout.
Not the greatest experience of my life, but at least she was friendly.


Also tried 2 massages salons: Retro and Dreams.

Retro has easy to find location with separate door.
Got a nice massage from Victoria, nice curves w / several small tattoos.
My 2nd time, they didn't honour my meeting, said there was a misunderstanding and that there were 3 guys before me (give me a break!). So I switched to Dream Salon.

Dream is a bit harder to find, since you have to get past the first row of buidling to find their door.
Communication was easy in English.
For my fist visit, got very good massage from Kenyan Stephanie (gorgeous African body).
Next day, I tried Maya, which is a bit more of a MILF, but with big T&A. Also good.
I finished my trip in Kiev by having 2 masseuses in my hotel room. Both gorgeous and funny.
We had Champagne and music in the room.

Wanted to try Moulin rouge in Kreschatyk, but I couldn't even find the door on the #21 building, and they never answered my calls or Whats App. So, I gave up.


A couple of taxi drivers offered me to take me to appartments, which I politely declined. But, at least it exists.

To sum it up, definitely not FKK / Brazil / Thailand / Macau level in terms of pure price-to-performance ratio, but I enjoyed myself nonetheless.

[Berlinerjunge1]

First visit to Kiev. I booked an Airbnb in the city centre. The weather is good and so is what you see on the street and in the metro. Quite a few of the young women here have already realized that a bra is a completely superfluous item of clothing for them. And God knows, they really don't need it. It really makes city strolling very pleasant.

Briefly about me: I'm in my mid-30's, slim (too slim according to many!) and tall. I look OK, but no one turns around to look at me when I enter a bar. But I can dress passably.

I have been here for a week now and here is some of my experience:

Escort ads:

https://relaxkiev.com/en/

https://intimgirls.net/

https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/

I have contacted several ads of these platforms, but only up to an amount of 3000 UAH per hour. It is interesting that sometimes the same girl has different prices on different sites. Anyway. With most of the phone numbers, no matter whether the ad was rated as Independent or Verified, I ended up with escort agencies who then gave me completely different pictures and prices. Pictures often without a face, sometimes over 3000 UAH an hour for basic service. I got no answer from a third of them.

I have met:

https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/esco...8/?list=m3s6ql

Body fits. Face too. Sort of. I would say it was the woman, only older. You can tell by her breasts and face. There's a reason she's not smiling. The teeth are not great. She was friendly and communicative (knows English), but face to face not my type. Failed to send her away. Didn't get horny with her. No sex. Fail. 2000 + 300 taxi (kissing was supposed to be part of it, but then I didn't feel like it).

I had video chat with:

https://relaxkiev.com/en/41753/

Also has an ad on Eurogirls with video without face, but she is not active at the moment because she wanted to travel. Body fits. Small and petite. But I didn't like her face (but it's not ugly! Wanted 3000 UAH for the whole package: kissing, anal, CIM.

Massage:

Sunday morning Relax Massage. Entrance at the far corner in the backyard. The manager was annoyed, but knew enough English.

https://relaxmassage.kiev.ua/en

Only one woman. I have forgotten her name. No English. 1600 an hour with touching. Face okay, but when she undressed I actually wanted to leave again. The performance was unfortunately not in underwear, as it should be, but in a silk robe. She is thin. No breasts. Every rib stands out clearly. I like slim, but this was bordering on anorexic.

The massage itself was first a relaxation massage, followed by body to body (more like rib on rib). The low point was when she rubbed her stubbly legs over my back. Turning over onto my back was very late and the handjob began very quickly. It was only successful when she started to present her pussy to me and rub it against my chest. A touch of eroticism. Conclusion: Fail! (Note: it's very easy to get scalded in the shower).

Monday afternoon Salon Dream. Entrance backyard. See video on website.

https://salondream.kiev.ua/

Manager was friendly, good English. 4 women to choose from, 3 young, one past her sell-by date. All were not motivating enough for the 1800 UAH programme with touching. Here at least the women were presented in lingerie. I left again and went straight on to Retro Massage. Entrance directly from the street.

https://www.salonretro.kiev.ua/

Manager friendly and good English. Only one woman available. Show again in dressing gown. 1200 the hour with touch. Woman's name was Slata and has been doing the job for 5 years. Injected lips. Somewhat porn-like sight. Body all right, but not great. Massage comparable to Relaxmassage. On stomach the whole time and turn over the last 10 to 15 minutes. Lots of normal massage. Eroticism only starts at the end with body to body. I couldn't come. Much too boring the programme, at least if you are not horny but looking for an erotic experience. Conclusion: Fail!

I couldn't find a Moulin Rouge massage or a topless massage (or Adele massage). When I called, no one answered and no messages were answered either. Are they still active?

If anyone has a clue how and where to get a decent Erotik massage here, I would appreciate it. An erotic massage is not 75% of the time lying on your stomach without seeing and touching anything and getting a handjob at the end. I'm looking for something more like petting. Mutual massage, stroking almost all the time. I like to feel the pussy intensively. And of course pretty women.

Stripclub Princess:

Was there on Wednesday from 9 pm. Good place right by the two bars in the middle of the room. 500 UAH entrance fee. I was there just to enjoy the show and have a drink on the side. First erotic establishment in Kiev that impressed me positively. Lots of women and all but 4 or 5 were a pleasure for the eyes. Optics partly above my expectations. Good ambience, good show programmes, but expensive. Two cocktails plus entrance fee with tip was 2000 UAH. There were 2 items on my bill with about 130 UAH each, which I couldn't classify. No matter. Cheap alternative: Just stroll through the city and enjoy the women without bras. Some even had see-through tops. A dream.

Mamba:

I only started contacting women when I was in Kiev. Partly no answer, partly blocked directly. One woman wanted to meet but refused to answer my questions about her weight. I have now found one who wants to meet me tomorrow. Early 20's, passable face and slim. 3000 for 2 hours with kissing and CIM. Let's see if anything comes of it.

I have also been contacted by 2 women in their mid 20's. 100€ plus taxi for 3 hours. Looks were okay, but not good enough to pay. So I declined.

I only filtered for women in Oblast Kiev active within the last week. Since I can only write to women who have given an age range that includes my age, that doesn't leave many women. How do you do it? Do you have a fake account where you are 20 years old so that you can write to everyone? Or do you also only write to those who are looking up to 60 or 80 and thus seem to be open to more than dating?

Tinder:

A few matches, but no meetings. Not even any communication with more than 2 correspondences.

Seeking experience to follow.

[VinDici]

I was thinking of other places (Tallinn and Prague)

Tallinn is a punting desert. You'll be lucky to meet even one escort there.

[DramaFree11]

I've had 3 different girls that were nothing special quote exactly a $500 rate recently. It makes me wonder where they are getting this.

This is not a surprise, when I was living there. I remember 5/6's where asking $200-400, at the I have been saying this for years. Not sure why you are surprised.

[DramaFree11]

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[PhotoSlider]

You need to stop thinking like this. If she just cancels everything, you save 3000 plus your time and energy, she gets nothing. 3000 is good money in both France and Ukraine. Assuming you are not abusive, you are the prize, not some pussy attached to a pretty face and young body (and maybe a brain with something interesting to say). You can look at pretty faces for free anywhere, young bodies neither rare nor expensive to rent and roughly 50% of the population has a pussy, so pussies are definitely not rare.

That's the best advice!

You already have doubts. Your object of admiration will sense it, doesn't matter if you restart negotiations or not. Ukrainian girls prefer confident lovers. If you negotiate down, her service will be poor. If you don't, you'd be unhappy, and then again, her service will be poor.

I would cancel anybody remote who you never met before, and research the market while on the ground. Scan through 15 girls. 3000 euro will allow you to do that. At least 5 of them will be good, give or take. 2 or 3 will be great. Maybe 1 will agree longer term. $500 for 2-3 nights with great girls coming to Kiev from outside is not unheard of. Even if it's 1000 or 1500, but you'd be happy, thinking you didn't overpay, and you'd have a better sense of the lay of the ground after more thorough research instead of gambling with one.

And for that German gentleman- I wouldn't go from Germany or Brazil or Costa Rica to Kiev for sex. Business trip coinciding with our common hobby would be another story.

[Misterxxx]

Hello everyone,

So I was thinking about visiting Kiev however, I was wondering if it is overhyped. I live in Germany, where brothels are abundant and decently priced. Is Kiev worth the trip over, and are the quality of women and price worth the trip? I was thinking of other places (Tallinn and Prague) but was wondering if Kiev is any better.

I don't like to say it, but you already live in the sex paradise of Europe. If you just want sex, Germany is cheap and the choice of girls is very large. It may be worse in Bavaria. But in Frankfurt or North Rhine-Westphalia there is a selection that Kiev cannot keep up with.

Prague or Tallinn? You should have gone there 20 or 15 years ago. Kiev has not been a real paradise for at least 10 years. Or at least since then, Ukrainians have been able to travel to Europe without a visa.

If you want parties, restaurants and nightlife, then Kiev is still good. But here, too, I've seen better times. In the past: Gangsters always partied. Each night. Today's IT people have to work and get up early. Clubs are empty or closed during the weekdays.

Many visitors to this forum come from countries where paid sex is very expensive or almost non-existent. For these people, Kiev is paradise. It is obvious. But when you visit one German Fkk Club you will see more naked meat than in Kiev in a whole week.

[Ringudor]

I always direct them to the furthest room in the back. It has very nice lighting and an S&M setup.

Didn't know that, I will try my next time in the club, I see you became an expert in princess stripclub, due to all the times we went there;-p.

[Ringudor]

I did a few privates a few weeks ago, with a slim, short dark air, girl from this club.

That's right, light is not perfect but I've experienced in other clubs smaller and less comfortable places for private.

A good point, the girl can choose the songs, and girls are performing well even in private.

I was not sure if the girl wanted / could be touched during the dances, it was she who came to get my hands to put them on her.

Of course she can be touched during dance, is the best part of this!