Kyiv

[Docspomi]

Guys,

I'm looking to visit Kiev. Is it possible that there are no websites to trust for escorts except for the very expensive ones? Really? Even in Moscow or Prague there are websites that also shows the maps where escorts are located. Please help. Thanks.

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If you pay for my over the weekend round trip tix. I'll quickly fly out and demonstrate how it's done. I can guarantee that despite all the obstacles in 48 hours I will have at least three 9's.

Antony, I hope you didn't take my solicitation seriously.

I still stand by my claim of getting three 9's in 48 hours on the ground in Kiev. I understand that not everybody is believing, willing or capable. I'll report on it this May / June.

I also agree with your prior statement. My 9's might be different from yours. Or not. Did you take statistics classes at University already? Is it possible to calibrate and normalize Ukrainian beauties? If only to some extent.

The best way I know to discuss the differences in opinion, would be to meet in person in Kiev, and synch up. Let me know via PM when is your next trip, maybe we can meet up for lunch between my 10 am and 4 pm.

[DramaFree11]

Real funny, I have been to Kiev over 50 times and lived there on 3 separate occasions, me or my friends had VIP access to 90% of the Night Clubs, I am the only one claiming I never had 9 or 10. I was there during the good old days, I would just be lying if said anything different. Here is a guy that goes to Kiev for his first or second times, say's hie is with a 10, now she is a 9. Common this is a Super Model and would not be hanging out in Kiev, sorry that was 10 years ago. Forget about the money, if you did any research on this site you would know what is up. This just makes zero sense.

Now you are complaining. Guys are honestly trying to help you, but you continue to make things worse. Please move on. Veterans please do not encourage this behavior.

I am getting tired already.

Smarter way is to stop pretending there are no viable options in Kiev, stop complaining, get off your ass, and start fucking.

You seem to have money. You are in the right city. KEC is there. For mere 4000 UAH you can have decent girls, and for 6000 - great ones. Nobody will take you by the hand and bring to your next dream prostitute. Get her strictly for one hour, fuck, then see if you want to extend and pay her 75% directly.

If you pay for my over the weekend round trip tix. I'll quickly fly out and demonstrate how it's done. I can guarantee that despite all the obstacles in 48 hours I will have at least three 9's.

Now I have heard. Asking Anthony to pay for your trip, then setting unrealistic expectations. You guys keep the dream and fantasy alive about Kiev.

The advice getting off his ass and start meeting girls.

I am in Moscow with a hanging out 5'8" blond girl.

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Kiev. The City of Contrasts.

Not cynicism, pure reality.

Antony for 2 weeks in Kiev and Devil1687 for 2 days. What a difference between these two trips!

On a separate note, I started forgetting some of the girls faces from the last 2018 trips. Time to go back.

It happens to me. Some of the ladies I forget more or less right away, but there was one girl in September of 2016 that perplexes me still. I prepped Jacuzzi for her to relax, and champagne for both of us. Went to take a shower myself, finished it and heard that sweet angelic voice:

- Come here, join me please.

- Are you sure there is enough space for us together?

- Sure there is! Come to me.

I remember her body, how I was sitting behind so close, and we touched more, she turned her head to kiss and kept smiling even after we moved into the bedroom.

And that's about it! I have absolutely no recollection of her face or name. I do have a guess that was one of the two prominent 20-21 years old GIA ladies, each of them I met more than once. I am still in contact with one. When I politely asked back in 2016, both of them separately declined to confirm or deny adding to this lovely mystery.

Ain't Kiev great!

[AntonySun1996]

Real funny, I have been to Kiev over 50 times and lived there on 3 separate occasions, me or my friends had VIP access to 90% of the Night Clubs, I am the only one claiming I never had 9 or 10. I was there during the good old days, I would just be lying if said anything different. Here is a guy that goes to Kiev for his first or second times, say's hie is with a 10, now she is a 9. Common this is a Super Model and would not be hanging out in Kiev, sorry that was 10 years ago. Forget about the money, if you did any research on this site you would know what is up. This just makes zero sense.

I certainly respect your experience and knowledge on Kiev.

We all have different tastes and definitions of 9's or 10's. For me a girl doesn't need to be a Scarlette Johnson's lookalike to be a 10. Just, say, top 10% is fine. And a 10 in my books could be a 6 in others eyes, and vice versa. The 0-10 rating system of girls is way too subjective. I don't judge others tastes of girls and don't want to argue if it is possible to get 9's and 10's. Just hope everyone could have fun.

Now you are complaining. Guys are honestly trying to help you, but you continue to make things worse. Please move on. Veterans please do not encourage this behavior.

Did I complain about anything? Just pure opinion. Hoping there could be less be&S doesn't mean I don't like Kiev. I have mentioned on this forum many times Kiev is still my favorite place. If not so why would I come to Kiev again and again?

Guys are honestly trying to help you, but you continue to make things worse. Please move on. Veterans please do not encourage this behavior.

And I certainly appreciate your help. And no, things are not getting worse. Following the forum members advice I started to have some difficult conversations with my girl stating clearly what I need. It worked a bit. Her attitude somehow went better. Further efforts are still needed though. I just need more time to achieve ideal results.

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So what is the most efficient way of getting 9's and 10's in Kiev now? I got my 9's with trial-and-error methods with agency girls, but this is time and energy consuming. I wonder if there are smarter ways out there. Mamba seems to be full of fake profiles now, and girls on Instagram are hostile and try to scam me by asking for money in advance.

I am getting tired already.

Smarter way is to stop pretending there are no viable options in Kiev, stop complaining, get off your ass, and start fucking.

You seem to have money. You are in the right city. KEC is there. For mere 4000 UAH you can have decent girls, and for 6000 - great ones. Nobody will take you by the hand and bring to your next dream prostitute. Get her strictly for one hour, fuck, then see if you want to extend and pay her 75% directly.

If you pay for my over the weekend round trip tix. I'll quickly fly out and demonstrate how it's done. I can guarantee that despite all the obstacles in 48 hours I will have at least three 9's.

[DramaFree11]

Bait and switch is a global phenomenon.

When I went to Tobita Shinchi in Osaka, Japan, I immediately hoped there could be one in Kiev. That would save us from the be&S shit.

Real funny, I have been to Kiev over 50 times and lived there on 3 separate occasions, me or my friends had VIP access to 90% of the Night Clubs, I am the only one claiming I never had 9 or 10. I was there during the good old days, I would just be lying if said anything different. Here is a guy that goes to Kiev for his first or second times, say's hie is with a 10, now she is a 9. Common this is a Super Model and would not be hanging out in Kiev, sorry that was 10 years ago. Forget about the money, if you did any research on this site you would know what is up. This just makes zero sense.

Now you are complaining. Guys are honestly trying to help you, but you continue to make things worse. Please move on. Veterans please do not encourage this behavior.

[DramaFree11]

She's obviously a prostitute. So treat her that way. These relationships come and go. Kick her to the curb if she's not into your program.

Not cynicism, pure reality.

As usual Riina, is correct. Enough on this subject. Way past the time to move on, enough is enough!

[AntonySun1996]

Even the fans of Kiev, admit all sites in Kiev are full of Scams. 99% profiles and pictures are fake. Gia or whatever it is called now, is the most reliable, but way too much money, for those type of girls.

Bait and switch is a global phenomenon.

When I went to Tobita Shinchi in Osaka, Japan, I immediately hoped there could be one in Kiev. That would save us from the be&S shit.

[Riina]

She doesn't like to be viewed as an escort and I don't want to make her think herself as escort. But I have seen the consequences of attempts to separate money and sex.

As I have mentioned on this forum before, she used to be an apartment WG working under an agency, but then we got each others contact after a few meetings and we started to meet privately. She quitted the job recently and mainly relies on my financial support to live.

She's obviously a prostitute. So treat her that way. These relationships come and go. Kick her to the curb if she's not into your program.

Is it cynicism or being realistic?

Not cynicism, pure reality.

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I still need to be cautious as my actions could result in many possible consequences. I just don't want to make things worse.

The way it is now you can only make things better.

My last 3 trips to Kiev add up to 11 weeks total. During that time I had all of 3 day (1 and then separately 2 in a row) without sex for reasons not related to girls willingness. There were also multiple episodes of having 4 or 5 different girls within 24 hours. IMHO that is nothing special considering options available in Kiev.

Time to move on. Wish I had your problems.

[AntonySun1996]

Majority is 6-7, but not all. I did have 9's and 10's at GIA. In fact one of my top 3 girls ever was from GIA and resigned 2 years ago.

Tastes differ, but IMHO KEC is not hopeless)). It is for you to decide what strikes your fancy. New dispatchers will not help to choose much. Do you have a local, Russian speaking friend? Then it'll be cheaper to order in UAH.

So what is the most efficient way of getting 9's and 10's in Kiev now? I got my 9's with trial-and-error methods with agency girls, but this is time and energy consuming. I wonder if there are smarter ways out there. Mamba seems to be full of fake profiles now, and girls on Instagram are hostile and try to scam me by asking for money in advance.

And no, I don't have local Russian speaking friend.

[DramaFree11]

It's a scam site.

Even the fans of Kiev, admit all sites in Kiev are full of Scams. 99% profiles and pictures are fake. Gia or whatever it is called now, is the most reliable, but way too much money, for those type of girls.

[AntonySun1996]

Would she continue bringing her sister to meetings with you if you stop paying? Just try and see.

The problem is not just her sister. I feel she keeps trying to avoid sex with me with all sorts of excuses. Yesterday she said she was ill (which was true). She got cough and fever, and didn't want me to touch her body, let alone sex. I had absolutely no idea how to deal with this situation. There are already two to three days we haven't had sex at all. I feel I look like a fool.

[AntonySun1996]

It is not about girls physiological ability to let any male ejaculate into her 3 times a day. It is about her mental readiness and willingness to do so with this particular individual.

It is easier to do so with a new acquaintance. That is why I like carousel sports fucking, when call girls are changing like multi-color glass flakes in a kaleidoscope.

Did the same capable girl of yours did it 2-3 times every day for 2 weeks with you? They call it "honey moon".

I wouldn't pay 5000 $ if I knew she couldn't do it 2-3 times every day. Maybe my expectations were too high.

The other girl I knew could do it, but unfortunately I don't like her anymore and decided not to meet her anymore.