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Just that Ukraine has a large amount of beauties doesn't mean you can fuck a stunning beauty at a cheap price in Ukraine.

This is easy to understand.

Think about the reasons why you can't buy a diamond at a price of a stone in Kimberley, South Africa.

A diamond is a diamond and as long as a diamond can move globally with negligible marginal transport costs, it doesn't make much difference on its price wether you buy it in Kimberley or New York.

The 'stones' in Kiev might be much cheaper than in elsewhere but the 'diamonds' aren't.

Agree with your metaphor only to a certain degree. Statistically what you say is true.

But why high quality Emeralds in Brazil are cheaper than in New York? Because it is closer to emerald mines, and mark up is certainly much lower because overhead is not as high yet. As you say the best gems are distributed globally, whoever can buy them. Still high quality emeralds are available and much cheaper in Brazil than in US.

Same applies to girls. Mulatto in New York is 2-3 times more expensive than in Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paolo.

Is it easier to walk into a 47th street jewelry store, speak English and then pull out your credit card? Yes it is. The whole process is regulated and there is a cost of convenience.

Is it possible to do the same in Brazil? Yes. You would pay for round-trip flight, for hotel. Then H Stern marketing people will find you right there in the hotel lobby, even provide free transportation to their gorgeous showroom with complimentary caipirinha drinks, beautiful young earrings models and no obligation to buy anything.

Locals do not have to pay tourist expenses but for most of them salaries are much lower.

Same deal in Kiev. There are gems, some are hidden, some are not. Some are in private collections and not for sale anymore, some are still going to college and not traveling much but need to cover expenses.

Local boys may have easier access to girls and still need funds available to entertain this expense category.

Would I go buying emeralds next to the mine in Minas Gerais? No. Industrious Mr. H Stern himself went more than once, sometimes at considerable risk of getting shot.

To me Kiev represents a reasonable compromise between affordable basic life style in Sumy or Poltava and access to civilization spoils of large developed megalopolis.

It is basic supply-demand ratio. How much is the very same girl in Zhitomir vs. Kiev vs. Dubai? In Dubai she has to pay for her airfare, apartment or hotel etc. She is willing to do so hoping to get better compensated by high rollers from around the globe.

Do I want to go to Zhitomir or Dubai? Neither.

Someone explained it here already more than once in terms of average haircut cost or hourly attorney services fee.

I like my haircuts done in Kiev. I always chose better looking stylist and usually manage to get her phone number).

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I experienced something similar with one of my favorite, a 18 years old girl that I met 10 times in 2015 for a cheap price. One year later she wanted more, the double of the price. It's not the heaven it used to be and you need to work hard to find a nice girl for a good price. Too many foreigners in Ukraine now and not enough freelances or non pros available.

How long does it take for a fresh village girl with sincere interest for adventure to evolve into a vulture with silicon injected lips, Gucci purse and contempt for her own primary business?

By my own observation it is under 2 years. Much shorter for apartment call girls. Seems to coincide with average tenure at GIA.

[AntonySun1996]

Just that Ukraine has a large amount of beauties doesn't mean you can fuck a stunning beauty at a cheap price in Ukraine.

This is easy to understand.

Think about the reasons why you can't buy a diamond at a price of a stone in Kimberley, South Africa.

A diamond is a diamond and as long as a diamond can move globally with negligible marginal transport costs, it doesn't make much difference on its price wether you buy it in Kimberley or New York.

The 'stones' in Kiev might be much cheaper than in elsewhere but the 'diamonds' aren't.

[Volpone]

Exactly. Unfortunately, I can only agree with that.

In 2011 I met a young girl in Lviv. Ksenia. Student. Slim. Blond. Fresh from the countryside. Mamba. Cheap. In 2012 she went to Kiev. Worked there in an apartment. 600 UAH for one hour. She was ready for everything. Good kissing. Great blowjob. Fucking without a condom. Without further costs. In 2013 she became independent. Back in Mamba. 1000 UAH for a meeting. Then came the crisis. Maidan. Little money, hardly any customers. We met again for 1000 UAH. At that time, that was 30 euros. For a meeting of several hours. Not per hour. The bad time was over at the end of 2015. More tourists and business people came to Kiev. She suddenly wanted $ 100. In 2016 then 100 euros. In the middle of 2017, the price rose to $ 200. I refused a meeting. At the beginning of 2018, I wrote to Mamba again. With a fake profile. She wanted $ 300. No chance for negotiations.

At first she was a pretty girl. Naturally. Good manners. Good style. Tasteful clothes. But in the past two years she has had several cosmetic surgeries. The nose. She also wanted silicone breasts. The behavior became more and more outrageous. I do not like the current photos on Mamba anymore. Barby doll.

And of course she is not 23 years old. Easy to find on Mamba.

I experienced something similar with one of my favorite, a 18 years old girl that I met 10 times in 2015 for a cheap price. One year later she wanted more, the double of the price. It's not the heaven it used to be and you need to work hard to find a nice girl for a good price. Too many foreigners in Ukraine now and not enough freelances or non pros available.

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Indeed, from a westerners perspective, the skin colour might not be a primary concern and it doesn't make much difference whether a beauty is white, Latin, or Asian. However, people from certain cultural backgrounds, for example some Asian or middle eastern countries, do have a strong preference of white girls and, in particular, Slavic girls. In the country where I'm originally from, if you marry a Ukrainian or Russian girl, it is considered as a extraordinarily great honour and you will find yourself on newspapers (not only some local tabloids, but also some major newspapers). This perception of Slavic pussies is becoming more widely spread due to the development of the internet media. With the increase of both the wealth of people from these countries and the convenience of international traveling, they are flying to Ukraine at a great and constantly expanding amount, either for short-term mongering, or for long-term relationship or marriage.

So it is important to understand that when we are talking about sex travellers in Ukraine, we are not just talk about people from Europe, Canada, or US, we are also talking about Arabians, Chinese, and Indian, not to mention the local men who have become richer than before. Besides, the population of Ukraine is in decrease, which means the pussy resources are decreasing while the demand is expanding.

Yeah, I forgot how Suleyman the Magnificent has been fascinated and enchanted with Roksolana's charms) Difficult to resist indeed.

Sincere unbiased clarification, Antony, agree with you on all points. Ukrainian ladies can be a gift from Heaven. Marrying them takes a lot of courage though.

[Il Drago]

Poland? You're joking. Polish in the European Union. The average salary in Poland is 3 times higher than in Ukraine. You will not find a girl in Poland who is ready to work as a seller in a supermarket for $ 160 a month as in Ukraine. Among the European countries only Ukraine is now the poorest. Also Russia, but Russia has a higher salary than in Ukraine. But you need to distinguish between Moscow and the province in the rest of Russia. You can not find a very cheap pussy in Moscow. You need to go to the province but Russia is very big and there are problems with security. And you need a visa for a trip to Russia.

I monger in Budapest & in Belgrade only. Those are my 2 cities. Anyway, a friend of mine from Belgrade was in Warsaw in 2017 for 2 months for work, he was there with other guys from Belgrade. He has very little experience as a monger, but told me an interesting story. Namely, he & his Belgrade buddies wanted to fuck & since Serbian & Polish are both Slavic languages he was able to establish some conversation with the locals. One of the local guys gave him a phone number & told him that he will find fine, girls from Ukraine in an apartment. That was true info & the best part was those girls from Ukraine were cheap. Unfortunately, my Serbian friend, being an mongering amateur that he is, he forgot the phone number of the local guy. I have met fair share of Polish guys in Budapest & I was told that lots of girls from Ukraine are coming to Poland to study & work. It seems those who are working girls are cheap. I myself fucked 2 hotties from Ukraine in Budapest back in 2006. They were working in Budapest for several months. One was 10 with amazing big natural tits & great ass. The other was less attractive, but still hot blonde with tight pussy. They both were very cheap, 50 euro for 1 hour & 30 euro for 30 minutes. The attitude & service were not that great but they were hot, so it did not matter. I do not think that it matters if a country is in EU or not, in terms of prices. Serbia is not in EU, Belgrade is one of the most difficult cities for mongering & even if you are connected the price of elite girls is 250 euro. Hungary, that is Budapest is in EU & yet the working girls are cheaper there, about 65 euro for incall & about 80 euro for outcall.

[Il Drago]

Hello Kain,


Hungary, Budapest, is bit dangerous. Prostitution is not legal there, so they rip you off.

Prostitution has been legal in Hungary for almost 20 years. It is usually very safe. Yes, some girls want to rip off foreigners, but not all. If you speak Hungarian or have local help you can avoid being ripped off & have good time. I know what I am talking about, I have been mongering in Budapest for more than 20 years. The prices are about 65 euro for 1 hour for incall & about 80 euro for outcall which is favourable. It is also porn capital of Europe, lots of porn stars from all over Europe are coming there. Porn stars from Ukraine are coming there often & some even live there.

[Misterxxx]

So pussy and hot mouth will inevitably grow in price. It's a market. Especially for many guys fucking a white European girl it's still a much more keen pleasure than fucking Vietnamese or Thai girls. Or in Kenya or Swaziland.

Exactly. Unfortunately, I can only agree with that.

In 2011 I met a young girl in Lviv. Ksenia. Student. Slim. Blond. Fresh from the countryside. Mamba. Cheap. In 2012 she went to Kiev. Worked there in an apartment. 600 UAH for one hour. She was ready for everything. Good kissing. Great blowjob. Fucking without a condom. Without further costs. In 2013 she became independent. Back in Mamba. 1000 UAH for a meeting. Then came the crisis. Maidan. Little money, hardly any customers. We met again for 1000 UAH. At that time, that was 30 euros. For a meeting of several hours. Not per hour. The bad time was over at the end of 2015. More tourists and business people came to Kiev. She suddenly wanted $ 100. In 2016 then 100 euros. In the middle of 2017, the price rose to $ 200. I refused a meeting. At the beginning of 2018, I wrote to Mamba again. With a fake profile. She wanted $ 300. No chance for negotiations.

At first she was a pretty girl. Naturally. Good manners. Good style. Tasteful clothes. But in the past two years she has had several cosmetic surgeries. The nose. She also wanted silicone breasts. The behavior became more and more outrageous. I do not like the current photos on Mamba anymore. Barby doll.

And of course she is not 23 years old. Easy to find on Mamba.

[AntonySun1996]

Solid honest explanation. With one correction.

In the grand scheme of things to many of us it doesn't matter if pussy is white Ukrainian, or tan Ukrainian, or mulatto Ukrainian, or even not Ukrainian at all. Girls attitude towards making us happy matters the most, how she is raised. Skin color is certainly secondary. Human being is human being. Besides Ukrainians are so diverse!

As Riina pointed out AntonySun's explanation is applicable to short term tourists. Those almost inevitably pay extra, and hope it's worth it. And if their unrealistic expectations do not materialize, and result in a hustle with no overwhelming pleasure, then they complain on this Forum. Arriving for the first time and hitting the ground running is not that frequent nowadays but still possible, especially for confident gentlemen, that succeed globally.

For longer term visitors, or those that already established connections from prior visits, the outlook seems more optimistic. Both in terms of available resources quality and required investment of time and funds.

Good point.

However I still do believe that the skin colour of the girls does play a major role in mongering, not only in short term but also long term.

Indeed, from a westerners perspective, the skin colour might not be a primary concern and it doesn't make much difference whether a beauty is white, Latin, or Asian. However, people from certain cultural backgrounds, for example some Asian or middle eastern countries, do have a strong preference of white girls and, in particular, Slavic girls. In the country where I'm originally from, if you marry a Ukrainian or Russian girl, it is considered as a extraordinarily great honour and you will find yourself on newspapers (not only some local tabloids, but also some major newspapers). This perception of Slavic pussies is becoming more widely spread due to the development of the internet media. With the increase of both the wealth of people from these countries and the convenience of international traveling, they are flying to Ukraine at a great and constantly expanding amount, either for short-term mongering, or for long-term relationship or marriage.

So it is important to understand that when we are talking about sex travellers in Ukraine, we are not just talk about people from Europe, Canada, or US, we are also talking about Arabians, Chinese, and Indian, not to mention the local men who have become richer than before. Besides, the population of Ukraine is in decrease, which means the pussy resources are decreasing while the demand is expanding.

Of course, it is still possible to succeed in Kiev, but the chances are becoming less and more efforts are required to be put in for ordinary mongers. The chances of getting super hot ones have dropped even more greatly. The game is changing and will continue to change.

BTW, I knew from my family that, around the years when I was born (1996), there were a good number of Russian and maybe also Ukrainian beauties flowing to my town, begging for something to eat. Most of them worked in local restaurants as waitresses, and customers can touch their butts and boobs without any problem. Good old days. Unfortunately, as a newly born baby, I was too young to fuck them. If were born a couple of years early, I would be able to fuck Russian beauties with ease in my own town, without the need to fly to Moscow or Kiev, haha.

[AdvancedPerson]

I just wanted to share a story of a situation that happened to me last week in Kiev.

I was selling my phone on OLX and got a call from a guy that would transfer the money immediately to my card and then send a courier to pick up the phone.

The message arrived that the funds had been transferred and the courier came and picked up the phone.

I had a bad feeling so I called the bank to make sure that the money had arrived. It hadn't.

I called the police and they explained to me that people from jail have been running this scam for a while and even if they traced the phone to that jail, they would not be able to find out which inmate was using the phone that called me and that they keep changing couriers so they are untraceable as well.

So a word to the wise: Either go with cash on the spot, or call your bank or go online if you have online banking to make sure that the funds are there, because even though it might seem that you received a legit message from your bank, you might have been a victim of fraud.

And the only way that you can legitimately recover the phone if they do decide to pursue, is by keeping a record of the serial number, which I did not keep since I bought it from a friend without the box and he has no recollection of the serial number.

Hope it helps.

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The scarcity of the resources is the fundamental cause of the increasing prices. If every horny man has a cute white pussy waiting to fuck for money at any time, no one would have the reason to raise the price. The ever increasing convenience of international traveling has made and is still making the horny men outnumber the cute white pussies by a greater and greater number in Ukraine, and it is becoming less and less likely that a cute white pussy is available every time you fly to Kiev as a monger, so some people might choose to pay more to secure their pussy resources.

Solid honest explanation. With one correction.

In the grand scheme of things to many of us it doesn't matter if pussy is white Ukrainian, or tan Ukrainian, or mulatto Ukrainian, or even not Ukrainian at all. Girls attitude towards making us happy matters the most, how she is raised. Skin color is certainly secondary. Human being is human being. Besides Ukrainians are so diverse!

As Riina pointed out AntonySun's explanation is applicable to short term tourists. Those almost inevitably pay extra, and hope it's worth it. And if their unrealistic expectations do not materialize, and result in a hustle with no overwhelming pleasure, then they complain on this Forum. Arriving for the first time and hitting the ground running is not that frequent nowadays but still possible, especially for confident gentlemen, that succeed globally.

For longer term visitors, or those that already established connections from prior visits, the outlook seems more optimistic. Both in terms of available resources quality and required investment of time and funds.

[Jojosun]

I heard it is hard to monger in Krakow, is that accurate? Where can we find less expensive euro girls? Thanks, P.S. There must be a country that is less expensive, standard.

On my list to do and its been there or few Years.

http://www.moldovahostels.com/phone/index.html

Check Tiraspol under Moldova here on ISG for Slavic, Russian Girls.

[AntonySun1996]

But you need to distinguish between Moscow and the province in the rest of Russia. You can not find a very cheap pussy in Moscow. You need to go to the province but Russia is very big and there are problems with security. And you need a visa for a trip to Russia.

Southern Russia is probably a good choice. Nice weather. Beautiful landscapes. Low average salaries. A girl I got to know in Volgagrod told me the average salary there is close to or even below Ukraine. Besides you girls there seem to be with really nice attitudes and less aggressive.

[AntonySun1996]

There are two Alina Rotarus. Both have done modelling work, though one, as you say, is a long jumper. Both are cute, but it is the other Alina Rotaru (who also goes under the names Aya Beshen and Elin) that interests me. There are pages for her on vk.com and podiumlife.

Check out https://www.indexxx.com/models/95471/aya-beshen/ and her page on top-modelz.

Yes she looks pretty hot.

[AntonySun1996]

Things cost as much as they cost. If a beautiful 18 year old Ukrainian girl understands that today or tomorrow she can find a Western guy without great work on a dating site like Mamba or Ukrainedate. CUm (UkraineDate.com, sorry or in an instagram, or go to a Kiev nightclub in a short skirt or short shorts. All she needs is a mysterious smile to a few Western or even Turkish guys. Among the Turkish guys there are also lawyers or architects or businessmen. In Ukraine come to serious enough serious guys from Turkey, even millionaires. Not all the Turkish guys in Ukraine are beggars who sell vegetables or carpets to the market. But of course there are and such. When she passes in the club past all these guys, then she as a woman feels how their penises go up and how their hearts are beating. Every woman feels it. All she needs is just to choose a goal and make a verbal hint.

And after 2 hours we already hear heavy men's breath hear slaps on the ass and men's raucous cries in the corridor of some hotel and cries in the style of Pierre Woodman! Yes! Aaaa. Oh, yes! AAAA. AAAA. Yeee. Yes. I cummm. AA, . I'm not the first year in Ukraine and I can perfectly see how easy it sometimes happens when a girl really wants to buy herself new beautiful shoes or good cosmetics. A beautiful young girl next to it is always stress for most men. Add some more alcohol here. This lawyer from Istanbul simply begins to think of another head. In his pants. He sees beautiful hair and long legs and an ass in short shorts and his penis sticks out like an iron pipe. Or is it a lawyer from Toronto. He understands that a similar girl in Toronto can cost even 800-1 000 dollars. This is not an African American girl. Not Mexican. No body from Cambodia or Vietnam. This is a beautiful white girl. Not so many beautiful young white girls in Canada in general are ready to fuck for money. They just do not need money. And not every beautiful girl in Canada man dare to offer sex for money. In the end it can end with an appeal to the police and problems. You can easily get into an idiotic situation. To meet on the street in Canada with young nice white girl with the words of my Canadian friend this is not the same as getting acquainted in Kiev...

The scarcity of the resources is the fundamental cause of the increasing prices. If every horny man has a cute white pussy waiting to fuck for money at any time, no one would have the reason to raise the price. The ever increasing convenience of international traveling has made and is still making the horny men outnumber the cute white pussies by a greater and greater number in Ukraine, and it is becoming less and less likely that a cute white pussy is available every time you fly to Kiev as a monger, so some people might choose to pay more to secure their pussy resources.