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[Member #4722]

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[AntonySun1996]

I felt a little bored after my Christmas holiday started so here I am, in Kiev again.

The city is quite cold right now with snow everywhere but this is not important.

I'm kinda risk-averse person so instead of meeting new girls, I decided to stick on my current girl friends. However I did make some progress.

Remember in my previous reports I have mentioned that my local agent tried to charge me a highly unfair amount? Not anymore. I added the girl on Instagram and viber and we started to make contacts P2P, cutting the greedy agent off.

We agreed on an amount around $1200 for two days but later made it $1500 for three days. I knew some forum members would still say that I overpaid, but I'm still satisfied about this deal, considering my agent tried to charge me like $3000 to 4000. IMHO it doesn't matter if you overpay or not, what is important is that you gradually get familiar with the games here and get smarter each time to get better deals than your previous trips.

About the girl:

Body 10.

(Height 5'9' with model-like figure, booty ass, long legs, milky pale skin, small tattoos).

Face 7 or 8 ish.

(Not the prettiest face I have seen, but her perfect body makes her imperfection of face totally neglect able. 100% kissable. We enjoy french kisses).

Service 6-10.

(The first day she did pretty well. We had sex several times a day in nearly all possible positions that I could handle, with passion or horniness. The second day went less well. She was angry in the morning for not having slept well and was reluctant to sex, but I took the initiate and she was happy again after a nice orgasm. However from the morning of the third day she became angry and refused to get up. She accused me of touching her boobs and fingering her pussy all night while she was asleep. That accusation, of course, was exaggerated since I just did it a few times because I couldn't control myself not to do that. Anyway, we had some fight and she went back to sleep for almost the whole day. We had a rough sex later in the evening though, when she was happy again.).

I will still be in Kiev for next few days and will meet another girl from my previous trips. Will report if there are any useful stuffs.

[DramaFree11]

Hi guys,

Is it worth to go for Ukraine for new year?

Do no really have a plan for now. Was just thinking about.

Thanks.

Sebastian.

The week before News Years is pretty good, but after New Year the city will be dead. Most girls come back around the 15th, but everything is changing in Kiev, so it maybe slightly different, give or take 1 or 2 days.

[Deon12]

Been lurking this forum for many years and got some really good advises.

I've been mostly to Germany. Frankfurt, Berlin and Hamburg and visited many FKK: s.

Now I am heading to Kiev 26-31 December and wondering if you guys have good recommendation for escorts I can whatsapp with with legit photos?

I've heard there are a lot of fake photos so you have to be aware hence my question if there are links to legit escorts with good service that do incall (I'm sharing apartment so can't be at my place).

Mamba seems a little complicated as then you have to make contact, talk / chat and then maybe dinner and then maybe something more as they say sponsorship, or is Mamba the best way forward if I want a girl every day 27-30 December (4 days = 4 different girls) and should I start mamba now then, what are the chances they do incall compared to escorts announced on the web?

Should I start to whatsapp and getting in contact with escorts now to arrange time and place or is it still too early?

And please, if you have web-links and / or number to girls you know is legit, please share them in this thread.

I am in my mid 30's, athletic, good looking and a dancer if that helps in Kiev?

I will also as I heard that many on this forum complains about members never contribute to the site with their info, will soon post reports from all the FKK's I've been to in Germany with both pros and cons and failures as well to avoid.

[PhotoSlider]

Hi guys,

Is it worth to go for Ukraine for new year?

Do no really have a plan for now. Was just thinking about.

Thanks.

Sebastian.

AFAIK many students leave for their home towns and villages after passing finals. There will be sufficient action, but some of the regulars from prior visits may not be present.

The city itself is already beautifully decorated. YMMV. If I had a chance for NYEve, I would go. In fact, if I had an opportunity, I would never leave Kiev. For a short term first time visit though, - one may find Kiev cold and empty.

This past 3 weeks visit of mine wasn't that much different from New Year's Eve, at least not weather-wise.

I had 2 failures, one of them was total and complete, short of me kicking the girl out, except she was way too tired falling asleep while undressing, and I was in a peaceful mood.

I also had 9 exceptional ladies, 5 more were acceptably fuckable, and many were repeats from this trip and from not so distant past.

Amazingly incomparable!

[Wastilein]

Hi guys,

Is it worth to go for Ukraine for new year?

Do no really have a plan for now. Was just thinking about.

Thanks.

Sebastian.

[PhotoSlider]

Checking that chart, it's dipped twice now, once in 2009 and once in 2015. About 10% drops each time. 10% doesn't sound like much, and the relative advantage that mongers from richer countries have should be similar...snip...

Official GDP doesn't reflect that every other girl in Kiev flashes iPhone X (because otherwise, as I was told by my GF, she is left behind). It also doesn't reflect Porsches, Mercedeses, Lexuses, Bentleys and other luxury cars driven through downtown and in suburbs. And we are not talking cheap old Mercedes, but rather 600 SEL and such.

One may say that all resources of certain particular individuals are invested in iPhones and cars, but this is not the case. There is substantial wealth due to lower cost of consumer basket. Dentists, lawyers, haircuts, good restaurants, apartments rental or ownership, girlfriends, drinks- everything costs less, making one think that developed countries are more successful in milking their own citizen, leaving them with enough money only for Toyota Camry and Honda Accord at best. There are those as well in Kiev, but to my subjective perception density of expensive cars downtown Kiev is higher than in a similar size Western city.

I would also say that total cost of consumer basket has been going up for the last 3-5 years, but anyway, all of the above has been stated to emphasize that official GDP numbers per capita doesn't reflect the actual affairs in Ukraine die to sizable chunk of real GDP still staying in grey shadow.

Just returned from 3 weeks in Kiev. Awesome! Going through the usual rehab. Will try to report, if my blubbering is of any use to Forum.

[AntonySun1996]

Sex tourism has been on the decline the last five years.

Or so it seems.

There are no official statistics in regards of amount of sex tourists, but I feel that although some sex tourists have chosen not to go to Ukraine anymore due to the civil war or increasing costs or other factors, this decrease is offset by inflow of new sex tourists thanks to the visitor-friendlier visa policies of the current ukrainian regime. Chinese citizens were granted visa-on-arrival policy two years ago, which opened door for many chinese mongers including myself, and will be granted e-visa next year. Many other nationalities can enjoy the policy too.

[Riina]

Well, I guess that there are significantly different growth rates of the economy in Kiev and in other parts of the country. The capital city has been booming due to the inflow of foreign cashes (from sex tourists in particular), while the smaller cities and rural areas of the country stay poor.

Urban areas are almost all growing throughout the world. Kiev is no exception especially with its tech talent and the movement from the East. Sex tourism has been on the decline the last five years.

[AntonySun1996]

OK. Checking that chart, it's dipped twice now, once in 2009 and once in 2015. About 10% drops each time. 10% doesn't sound like much, and the relative advantage that mongers from richer countries have should be similar.

Well, I guess that there are significantly different growth rates of the economy in Kiev and in other parts of the country. The capital city has been booming due to the inflow of foreign cashes (from sex tourists in particular), while the smaller cities and rural areas of the country stay poor. I think in China we have the similar problem (to a less extent tho)- cities like Shanghai or Shenzhen are as developed as many major cities in western Europe with even higher living costs, while some provinces in the western part of the country is still in the third world.

[Habeed]

Nominal GDP can be misleading, look at GDP PPP instead.

GDP figures are measured in USD, but grivnas have been constantly depreciating over USD, while the inflation rate in Ukraine has been staying quite low, so the living costs of Ukrainian people are actually getting lower and lower.

OK. Checking that chart, it's dipped twice now, once in 2009 and once in 2015. About 10% drops each time. 10% doesn't sound like much, and the relative advantage that mongers from richer countries have should be similar.

My latest foray into these waters, I finally met a 9. But she's one of those girls who wants to marry for a visa. Which honestly I am totally willing to consider. Being a 'good girl', she wouldn't put out on the first date, and amusingly it was actually fairly expensive in local currency to date her. That is, the restaurant bill was about 2100 UAH, which is about 75 USD, and I didn't eat much. So I went to the apartment brothel I had found the night before, fucked 2 different girls for an hour each. One was about a 7, the other about an 8. You know, tall skinny girls. But still with healthy curves. And one clearly had stomach abs. With pretty faces and long lustrous hair and all the rest. Wish I could have taken a photo. Compared to the picking in the USA, these girls were hotter than any hooker or even sugar baby I have ever seen. Yeah, these girls are around, but they are inaccessible in the USA.

Also I found out that the "real" apartment price is 2100 UAH. Or only a slight inflation from the 2 k number reported earlier this thread. Last night, I had been paying 2500 and I did two girls at that price. I think the tout who showed me this particular brothel got a cut. So I got skimmed for $28 USD, LOL.

[AntonySun1996]

I apologize. In any case I don't think a significant flow of Ukrainians are permanently moving to China, either. I was being sarcastic, I thought that it was unlikely that demand from China. Which does need all the women it can get. Was a significant factor. And no, if Chinese men can spit game and get Ukrainian 10's to marry them, props to them.

Antony, what I am talking about specifically is the difference in the mongering scene over just the past couple years. Supposedly it's gotten a lot worse, and yet the GDP numbers on Ukraine show only a 2.5% per year rise. So I was just wondering what happened.

Nominal GDP can be misleading, look at GDP PPP instead.

GDP figures are measured in USD, but grivnas have been constantly depreciating over USD, while the inflation rate in Ukraine has been staying quite low, so the living costs of Ukrainian people are actually getting lower and lower.

[Habeed]

Being a Chinese dude myself, I wouldn't use the word "steal", as it is not the case.
The Chinese mongers have the reputation of being honest, generous, and nice to women in Ukraine's mongering scenes. The Chinese are getting richer and richer and we pay for what we deserve, so no "stealing" is involved here.

I apologize. In any case I don't think a significant flow of Ukrainians are permanently moving to China, either. I was being sarcastic, I thought that it was unlikely that demand from China. Which does need all the women it can get. Was a significant factor. And no, if Chinese men can spit game and get Ukrainian 10's to marry them, props to them.

Antony, what I am talking about specifically is the difference in the mongering scene over just the past couple years. Supposedly it's gotten a lot worse, and yet the GDP numbers on Ukraine show only a 2.5% per year rise. So I was just wondering what happened.

Anyways, as a newbie, I don't think I had much difficulty. I've been here- gosh - 4 days. And I have had sex with:

A. A woman in her upper 20's with an underwear model grade body, albeit a few lines on her face, she was the one I overpaid at $300 for about 4 hours each session. Source: UKD.

B. A woman who's 22, has a voice literally like an angel and a pretty face. A semi-pro who apparently needed money. Once I paid her and we fucked she stopped texting for a couple days. Source: UKD.

C. A hooker from UKD. She lied on her profile pics, damage was only $80 and she wasn't bad, just 20 lbs heavier than her pics indicated.

I have noticed that Ukrainians tend to either look incredible and that didn't show up in their pics or look terrible, and their pics are misleading there too. There is no substitute for meeting these women yourself.

So tonight I tried a smaller strip club called Penthouse and Rio. So the advantage of Rio women is you can check them out before fucking them. The downside is that the hottest ones at Rio are not easily available to fuck. Yes, like other mongers have said, most of the girls are Rio aren't 8's and 9's. Lots of lower rated girls. I did see a solid 9, maybe 10 though, got a private dance, and of course learned she is not available. Another 9 was occupied. Finally I got some stripper who wasn't terrible, but with a few lines on her to quote me "300 pounds for several hours or 200 for 1 hour". She of course claimed that this price was the same for all the girls there.

So then I followed a guide on another website about how to get sex in Kiev. And went to Arena City. Naturally at 3 am in the morning on a Tuesday, there were about 4 Eastern European looking men hanging out there. They deduced I was looking for hookers, and showed me a nearby brothel. I didn't like the girls in there, so they invited me to ride in a taxi. Yeah, I got into a taxi with central casting's "Eastern European criminals". But they were quite friendly, and one spoke english, and instead I was taken to another brothel. That had some hotties and a madam who spoke english. Brunette, tall, great body, great face. I'd say solid 7's. And the shocker was when I fucked them. To be fair, I am well endowed and ethnically look like a cousin of them. They would unmistakably heat up and get wet around my penis and I might have made one cum. (yes, all hookers can fake the sounds but it's harder to fake how their vagina responds during a genuine orgasm).

So I fucked a couple girls for a couple hours, at 2500 UAH - $88 USD. A fuck and had a good time. I brought one back to my nice apartment and the other I fucked in the brothel. Factoring in the very low costs for drinks, taxi fare, hotel, food, and so on, I am not even sure you save money doing FKK clubs. Though they are no doubt safer and cleaner.

Oh, and I managed to go on a date with one who is probably out of my league but she wants to go on another date and I guess if it came down to it I would be compelled to marry her. (certain things about her are so attractive that I cannot say anything but yes, though I expect she will find a better western man than me to marry).

[AntonySun1996]

or Chinese men (they have a surplus of males) are stealing all the Ukrainian 10's, or what?

Being a Chinese dude myself, I wouldn't use the word "steal", as it is not the case.

The Chinese mongers have the reputation of being honest, generous, and nice to women in Ukraine's mongering scenes. The Chinese are getting richer and richer and we pay for what we deserve, so no "stealing" is involved here.

Besides, how many Chinese men can you see in Ukraine? After leaving borispil airport the Chinese guys I see on the streets in Kiev everyday can be counted with one hand. I have traveled in most of the countries in Europe and, believe me, Ukraine is one of the countries with fewest Chinese people (more than some bulkan countries perhaps).

On the other hand, while a growing number of Ukrainian girls come to work in China, only few of them have actually chosen to stay and marry local men. Ukrainian girls are quite conservative in this respect and most of them are not willing to move to another country and live there permanently, as a ukrainian girl told me. Some of them are, but at quite a small percentage.

So, instead of blaming the Chinese for stealing UA girls, would wouldn't you just take some walk on the streets in central Kiev and find out who are actually stealing your UA hotties.

Besides, even if we are "stealing" the girls, I would still think it is fair, considering the amount of Chinese girls stolen by white dudes, haha.

Jokes aside, the real problem with Ukraine mongering scene is that the Ukrainians are getting richer and the girls have more decent jobs to choose. Ukraine is still one of the poorest countries in Europe, but the people are no longer as desperate for money as they were in 90's. The 90's were good old days, but this is the new reality we have to accept and get used to. Also, look at the brighter side -- at least there is good thing of mongering in 2018 compared to 90's, which is the fact that the crime rates are lower and you are less likely to be murdered in Kiev by the local mafias.