Kyiv

[Riina]

I would never ask such a thing because I wouldn't want her knowing details of my involvement wth other women.

I never ask about other pussies after it is declared we have a relationship. If I did, that's the end.

[Sorbonne]

I'm not sure what exactly you are planning. But I arrived in Spain Feb 28, before any travel restrictions in place, then was trapped by the lockdown, then escaped to Ukraine July 9. Yes, they let me out of Spain at that time with no penalty for overstay, but rules may have changed by now. My experience proves nothing at this point.

Oh, I see. It was just like Ukraine didn't charge me anything when I left after overstay. I had entered Ukraine shortly before the national quarantine kicked in in mid-March. It was part of the national quarantine deal.

[Kozerog]

Did you think about reducing to one session a week, but suggesting she finds another girl for you for 4000 for 4 hours, and she can take 1000 commission?

I would never ask such a thing because I wouldn't want her knowing details of my involvement wth other women. Plus I don't want any other women right now. Don't even really want that regular all that much. However, I know myself well enough to know that as soon as I don't have regular sex with a pretty girl, I'll feel sex-deprived. In other words, that regular gets rid of negative feelings of sex-deprivation from my life more than she adds positive feelings. In general, anytime I can easily satisfy desires (whether for sex with a beautiful girl, money, food, etc) I don't really care that much. It's when I want something but can't have it that I feel deprived.

[Kozerog]

... when I want to leave EU, I should fly to Spain first and then fly out of EU from Spain in order to avoid penalty, as I remember Kozerog saying Spain didn't charge him for overstaying.

I'm not sure what exactly you are planning. But I arrived in Spain Feb 28, before any travel restrictions in place, then was trapped by the lockdown, then escaped to Ukraine July 9. Yes, they let me out of Spain at that time with no penalty for overstay, but rules may have changed by now. My experience proves nothing at this point.

[Sorbonne]

Not that anybody here cares, but I am belatedly announcing that in mid-September I have left Ukraine for one of the lowest infected EU countries, as the soaring corona cases in Ukraine were getting scary.

But not before I got international passports to some of my regulars so they could possibly come meet me (in some non-Schengen countries) outside Ukraine.

I just thought today about the following: I might as well overstay here until the pandemic is over, and when I want to leave EU, I should fly to Spain first and then fly out of EU from Spain in order to avoid penalty, as I remember Kozerog saying Spain didn't charge him for overstaying.

[TheKnight]

What I pay my regular for sex is irrelevant at this point (5000 uah for 4 hours), because I'm not actually trying to save money or get more time out of her. After 4 hours (maybe 3 if truth be told) I want to be alone again, and more than twice weekly is too much and I'm even thinking of reducing to once weekly to avoid boredom. At the same time, I want to funnel money to this girl somehow because I like her, but I don't want to just give it to her for doing nothing. So my solution is to continue at same as original rate.

Did you think about reducing to one session a week, but suggesting she finds another girl for you for 4000 for 4 hours, and she can take 1000 commission?

It can be a difficult conversation to have if you and she have feelings for each other, and she wants more. But it can be an arrangement which works very well for both of you.

[Lucky Nuts]

Was on Tinder tonight after I flew in. Three matches one response and was an agency asking 4000 UA an hour.

Trying to set up Bitcoin so I can pay for a membership would love to take you and YummyPL drinking on my dollar if you can provide some local insider advice on getting things rolling here as far as the hobby goes.

You both sound reliable to me for intel.

I'the like to get access to some of these local apartments: the.

I've extended my visit to Kyiv and will be here another week. So yeah I'll be happy to show you the apartments I know about. PM me.

Edit: Oh I see you don't yet have PM privledges. Meet me on the street in front of Darlling Club Monday night at 9 pm. I'll be wearing a black jacket with a "1" on the front. We can go from there to a nearby apartment.

[Riina]

Was on Tinder tonight after I flew in.

I'm looking forward to your reports on the mongering scene in Kiev. I'm hopeful that you will not join the endless list of members that asked questions and then disappeared.

[IdiotSavant]

I didn't try Tinder in Kyiv so will be very interested in hearing your results Jim. My expectation is that it's mostly the same agencies and fakes that dominate Seeking.com So I'd skip over the professional looking models and try to find regular girls if there's any on there. Good luck and please report back.

Was on Tinder tonight after I flew in. Three matches one response and was an agency asking 4000 UA an hour.

Trying to set up Bitcoin so I can pay for a membership would love to take you and YummyPL drinking on my dollar if you can provide some local insider advice on getting things rolling here as far as the hobby goes.

You both sound reliable to me for intel.

I'the like to get access to some of these local apartments: the.

[Kozerog]

What I pay my regular for sex is irrelevant at this point (5000 uah for 4 hours), because I'm not actually trying to save money or get more time out of her. After 4 hours (maybe 3 if truth be told) I want to be alone again, and more than twice weekly is too much and I'm even thinking of reducing to once weekly to avoid boredom. At the same time, I want to funnel money to this girl somehow because I like her, but I don't want to just give it to her for doing nothing. So my solution is to continue at same as original rate.

Better example of current price situation on Kyiv is what I'm paying another girl for Russian conversation practice. Very pretty, however I don't want more than conversation, for personal reasons. When I met her, I was struck by her very clear Russian pronunciation and friendliness and she mentioned she was unemployed. I offered 600 uah / hour for 2 hours and she appeared delighted. I raised to 700 uah plus cost of food and drinks at a cafe, when making arrangements by Viber. She ends up spending 3 to 4 hours with me, even after I show her my smartphone when the 2 hour alarm sounds. In other words, 700 uah for 2 hours is big money right now in Kyiv, so big that she evidently feels embarrassed and so tries to work extra to be fair.

Another example, this time concerning wages for men. At one social activity, I tip 10 uah each time I buy water for 40 uah. At another, I tip 50 uah when paying 150 for combination entrance fee plus glass of wine. Waiters now fly across the room when I show up.

Bottom line, Kyiv economy is really bad now. Girls may take a hard line initially, but they will probably drop prices fast if you become a regular.

[YummyPL]

In your experience, how much should I expect?

Riina is absolutely right that a pro won't do it for that much. But with enough work, you might get lucky and find a non-pro that will do it for that much. My current regular was about $250 (7000) for our first meeting, Less than $200 (5000) for the next few meetings, and now stays overnight if I want her to at about $150 (4000). We are discussing a longer term arrangement that will average less than $100 per night on a monthly basis. Don't talk to them in Dollars. Talk to the in Hryvnia.

[Arkiloko]

Okay so there are local guys in front of the clubs that then will take you to these apartments you mention? I am still not quite sure on the process. How can you spot these dudes? And is it safe?

Sometime I got invitation walking in the streets.

I was walking near Billa on Kreshatik, near Bessarabik Market. A lot of bad people there, but the ones I talked with were quite good.

I never accepted, but it didn't seem dangerous to me.

[Lucky Nuts]

So tried out tinder now I'm here, because. Why not. And the number of hits I've had in a day has been crazy. I'm sure a lot are no going anywhere but so far I've a date on Thursday to walk and talk and see what happens next, and late late tonight a visit planned from a lesbian couple. I have my doubts but it's going to be so late that if nothing transpires then I was only going to sleep anyways.

So many matches, I can't keep all those conversations going.

I'm sure this is on the forum somewhere but from others with more experience here, what is the best approach on tinder to weed out the letdowns?

I didn't try Tinder in Kyiv so will be very interested in hearing your results Jim. My expectation is that it's mostly the same agencies and fakes that dominate Seeking.com So I'd skip over the professional looking models and try to find regular girls if there's any on there. Good luck and please report back.

[Forever18]

So tried out tinder now I'm here, because. Why not. And the number of hits I've had in a day has been crazy. I'm sure a lot are no going anywhere but so far I've a date on Thursday to walk and talk and see what happens next, and late late tonight a visit planned from a lesbian couple. I have my doubts but it's going to be so late that if nothing transpires then I was only going to sleep anyways.

So many matches, I can't keep all those conversations going.

I'm sure this is on the forum somewhere but from others with more experience here, what is the best approach on tinder to weed out the letdowns?

Keep me updated.

[Forever18]

I just reviewed your 36 post, all but 2 are questions. I'm getting this weird feeling of a conspiracy theory by SA to interject itself into the forum even in cities where it is completely useless.

To answer your question. Big no, a pro will not do an overnight with you in Kiev for 200.

In your experience, how much should I expect?