Kyiv

[DramaFree11]

There is no accounting for taste! But seriously, there are plenty of women over 40 that I would fuck. I'm just not sure that there are any over 40 that I would pay to fuck. There probably are, but they are not any that I am seeing around.

After agree with that, they would have to be seriously hot for me to pay, but even then I doubt.

[YummyPL]

Who is this mamba jewel?

Sorry Fred, contribute enough to be a senior member and maybe I will discuss it with you in PM. No one here is likely to post specific links to their favorites on the open forum.

That said, she does not advertise herself as 18. I think that must be because she started working before she was 18 and had to say she was older. Be careful out there everyone.

[Sorbonne]

There is no accounting for taste! But seriously, there are plenty of women over 40 that I would fuck. I'm just not sure that there are any over 40 that I would pay to fuck. There probably are, but they are not any that I am seeing around.

I wouldn't pay to f* Ms. Ardern, either.

[YummyPL]

Well, the prettier, the better.

I'm still attracted by some capable women, such as Jacinda Arden (40).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/52795868

There is no accounting for taste! But seriously, there are plenty of women over 40 that I would fuck. I'm just not sure that there are any over 40 that I would pay to fuck. There probably are, but they are not any that I am seeing around.

[Sorbonne]

who the fuck cares how pretty a 40+ year old is?

Well, the prettier, the better.

I'm still attracted by some capable women, such as Jacinda Ardern (40).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/52795868

[Fred54]

I actually always treated it as a standard bell curve with a distribution out to -50 deviation. This meant there were a lot more 5's, fewer 6's, significantly fewer 7's, fairly rare 8's, exceptionally rare 9's, and almost non-existent 10's. In fact, I always would say I have never seen a 10 in my life. Your system is actually so much easier. I think I will adopt it! I will count the ratings for women under 40 years old because who the fuck cares how pretty a 40+ year old is?

In that case, I'd say my Friday girl was a high 7 (closer to the better than 70%) and my Saturday was a high 8 (closer to the better than 80% Compared to the USA, Kyiv skews right with the average female population here being well better than the average population there for under 40's. Kyiv may skew slightly left from Moscow but not nearly as much as DramaFree suggests (I just have to think some woman really fucked him over hard for him to still be spewing so much vitriol after being away from Kyiv so long).

But enough about ratings. I met an 18 year old (confirmed with ID) Mamba girl for 3 hours today. I'd rate her at least a solid 9 on the PhotoSlider / Kozerog? Scale. Going back to the FKK standard, I think she was better than 80% of the women I see in FKKs. She was firm but not as firm as my ideal and taller than my ideal (I tend to prefer short girls and this one was around 175 cm), but she was slim and, had great breasts (I like small and firm with puffy nipples and her's were pretty close to this ideal), sweet ass, and pretty face. Her biggest drawback was her teeth were not great but they were not bad. And did I mention she was 18? There is absolutely something about having an 18 year old. A little reserved to start but warmed up after a while. We discussed long term some and I am seeing her again tomorrow at noon. Did I mention she was 18?!.

Who is this mamba jewel?

[PhotoSlider]

I actually always treated it as a standard bell curve with a distribution out to -50 deviation. This meant there were a lot more 5's, fewer 6's, significantly fewer 7's, fairly rare 8's, exceptionally rare 9's, and almost non-existent 10's. In fact, I always would say I have never seen a 10 in my life. Your system is actually so much easier. I think I will adopt it! I will count the ratings for women under 40 years old because who the fuck cares how pretty a 40+ year old is?

Yeah, and I was never interested in children under 18. Too much turmoil, they don't know what they want)).

18-19 are fresh and attractive, but there's never ending hustle with some of them! On average 19-21 is like 18 carat gold, and 21-23 is the best.

Your bell curve was probably more like Poisson distribution. Hopefully not as many 1-2-3's. Lots of average 5's and 6's in the middle, and very few beauties. Breaking it down into 10 equal bins ensures some hope of comparative consistency in our research.

I also rate some of the girls higher than 10. Those are so called statistical outliers. Always based on attitude and performance. Never on looks or body. In the rare moment when I exlaim:

- This girl is out of this world! She blew me away!! I am in love, and from now on will be strictly monogamous!

Those girls I may rate higher than 10.

I also rate separately kissing, love making and other factors contributing to performance. Kissing can go as high as 21. Providing ratings to outliers is totally subjective and relative. I do it for my own amusement.

[DramaFree11]

I actually always treated it as a standard bell curve with a distribution out to -50 deviation. This meant there were a lot more 5's, fewer 6's, significantly fewer 7's, fairly rare 8's, exceptionally rare 9's, and almost non-existent 10's. In fact, I always would say I have never seen a 10 in my life. Your system is actually so much easier. I think I will adopt it! I will count the ratings for women under 40 years old because who the fuck cares how pretty a 40+ year old is?

In that case, I'd say my Friday girl was a high 7 (closer to the better than 70%) and my Saturday was a high 8 (closer to the better than 80% Compared to the USA, Kyiv skews right with the average female population here being well better than the average population there for under 40's. Kyiv may skew slightly left from Moscow but not nearly as much as DramaFree suggests (I just have to think some woman really fucked him over hard for him to still be spewing so much vitriol after being away from Kyiv so long).

But enough about ratings. I met an 18 year old (confirmed with ID) Mamba girl for 3 hours today. I'd rate her at least a solid 9 on the PhotoSlider / Kozerog? Scale. Going back to the FKK standard, I think she was better than 80% of the women I see in FKKs. She was firm but not as firm as my ideal and taller than my ideal (I tend to prefer short girls and this one was around 175 cm), but she was slim and, had great breasts (I like small and firm with puffy nipples and her's were pretty close to this ideal), sweet ass, and pretty face. Her biggest drawback was her teeth were not great but they were not bad. And did I mention she was 18? There is absolutely something about having an 18 year old. A little reserved to start but warmed up after a while. We discussed long term some and I am seeing her again tomorrow at noon. Did I mention she was 18?!.

M.

Honestly, your report is pretty good. There is zero comparison, Moscow is probably cheaper then Kiev now. There actually is a nightlife in Russia, Kiev's nightlife terrible, Prior to the Virus.

Moscow you can have 7-8's all day long, and possibly a 9. In Kiev it is possible maybe to have one, multiple is complete fabrication or extremely very low standards. I was there during the end of the good times, at the end it was not good. I can only imagine now. I agree with your scale, but there are 10's. Moscow, San Diego, Vegas, New York, Europe parts of Latin America.

[YummyPL]

Someone here (maybe Kozerog?) explained that 7 means a girl that is better than 60% of the population. Simple logic. From 0 to 10% is rated 1 and ugly. Therefore rated 6 is better than 50%, and 10 is better than 90%, or top 10%.

I actually always treated it as a standard bell curve with a distribution out to -50 deviation. This meant there were a lot more 5's, fewer 6's, significantly fewer 7's, fairly rare 8's, exceptionally rare 9's, and almost non-existent 10's. In fact, I always would say I have never seen a 10 in my life. Your system is actually so much easier. I think I will adopt it! I will count the ratings for women under 40 years old because who the fuck cares how pretty a 40+ year old is?

In that case, I'd say my Friday girl was a high 7 (closer to the better than 70%) and my Saturday was a high 8 (closer to the better than 80% Compared to the USA, Kyiv skews right with the average female population here being well better than the average population there for under 40's. Kyiv may skew slightly left from Moscow but not nearly as much as DramaFree suggests (I just have to think some woman really fucked him over hard for him to still be spewing so much vitriol after being away from Kyiv so long).

But enough about ratings. I met an 18 year old (confirmed with ID) Mamba girl for 3 hours today. I'd rate her at least a solid 9 on the PhotoSlider / Kozerog? Scale. Going back to the FKK standard, I think she was better than 80% of the women I see in FKKs. She was firm but not as firm as my ideal and taller than my ideal (I tend to prefer short girls and this one was around 175 cm), but she was slim and, had great breasts (I like small and firm with puffy nipples and her's were pretty close to this ideal), sweet ass, and pretty face. Her biggest drawback was her teeth were not great but they were not bad. And did I mention she was 18? There is absolutely something about having an 18 year old. A little reserved to start but warmed up after a while. We discussed long term some and I am seeing her again tomorrow at noon. Did I mention she was 18?!

My patience for women's BS was never high and nowadays it is closer to zero than ever.

I had a 6 PM meeting for drinks with a 19 yo SA girl. I knew she was a scammer but she checked all the boxes of what I wanted so I arranged a meeting. Blah, blah, blah, long story short, we set up the meeting a week ago. This past Saturday she told me it was going to be her birthday on Monday (today, which I am sure wss pure BS) and we can celebrate together. I told her I would be happy to celebrate with her and I would buy her dinner and drinks, but that she wasn't getting any significant "gifts" until after we were intimate. I also told her that reliability and punctuality were especially important to me. She said she still wanted to meet. I confirmed the meeting 2 hours out (not long after I finished up with the 18 yo), and she responded that she still wanted to come, an hour out she said was getting ready, 30 minutes out that she was on the way. At 10 after our meeting time, I asked her status, and she said she would be there soon. At 30 minutes after I asked and she said soon, and at that point I said, don't bother, I was no longer interested. I immediately blocked her number. I knew she was a scam anyway. Zero tolerance for that crap.

[Kozerog]

One of the best things about slightly more mature women is that they understand a paying man is never "locked up. "

That's why I continue to treat my girl like an escort, even though this is our fourth summer together, so in fact she's more like a sugarbaby with arrangement. Money on the table (₴1000 notes nowadays) when she arrives, she picks it up on the way out, same routine as ever. All girls want security, but the way to give security is simply see her frequently, even if not in the mood, versus making promises. Actions speak louder than words.

For example, I had an ear infection last week that temporarily killed my sex drive. (Back to normal as of Saturday after treatment at Oxford Medical for absurdly low price by USA standards. Note that they only speak Russian / Ukrainian.) But I invited the girl over anyway, we watched some YouTube together instead of sex, I paid her the usual fee. Consistently seeing and paying her is much better than making promises of being with her forever, setting up monthly arrangements, etc.

My patience for women's BS was never high and nowadays it is closer to zero than ever. Sure, I'm tempted by other girls, but they don't just magically show up and obey like slaves of my imagination. Every new woman brings a new set of problems to be brought under control. Much simpler to just use the trouble-free woman I have, close my eyes, and imagine someone else if I want variety. I should note that the girl I have, regardless of her numerical ranking, regularly gets me hard (other than when sick like with that ear infection).

BTW, my musical social activity is back in operation. Officially, there are rules in place to ensure distancing. In practice, everyone crowded together, no one wearing masks. In dim lighting, I can pass for late 40's, so single women in their 30's and 40's often give indications of interest. Some of them ex-trophy wives who are still excellent looking. Tempting, but then I remember that these are not working girls, and wouldn't react well to immediate talk of "classic sex with condom, oral and cunnilingus without condom, GFE so kissing on the mouth, ₴3000 for two hours, American style payment: money on the table upon arrival, pick it up on the way out but not before please. These conditions acceptable to you?" I'm probably not even capable of normal talk with women anymore. Plus there is no way I have the patience for training civilians to act like working girls, especially not entitled ex-trophy wife types. Again, best stick with that girl I have and imagine being with these civilians.

[PhotoSlider]

One of the best things about slightly more mature women is that they understand a paying man is never "locked up.

What a great slogan:

"Paying man is never locked up".

Can I please use it for my T-shirt business, that I am about to start for the last 10 years?

The other one is:

"Fuck this shit! Let's talk about them girls".

Yummy, your approach is solid. I considered renting a second "el cheapo" apartment, but never implemented it. Would come in so handy when double-booked! Also doing it for safety and privacy reasons.

Thank you for keeping the Torch high for the Forum!

[PhotoSlider]

You're so intelligent and wise that I thought you'd be a little older. My apologies!

No need to apologize, but thank you.

I solemnly promise to become mature, sensual and the most responsive to the needs of young sugarmamas. Perhaps English as a Second Language classes at Kyiv National University would give me an eventual option of having educational email address aside from other benefits, especially when pandemic gets over and teaching moves into more intimate, face-to-face environment.

[YummyPL]

But why lock yourself up with one girl? Understandably, stability is good. No need for trial and error. But long term contract may adversely affect provider's performance. Unless you pay her per meeting or at the end of the month, it seems a little risky. Kozerog's payment plan is perhaps most reliable. What if tomorrow you get impressed even more with another lady? And then yet another.

One of the best things about slightly more mature women is that they understand a paying man is never "locked up. " And I think she has more clarity on this because I am renting a separate apartment just for meetings. I don't want her her, or any girl, to have visibility on where I really live. And she can't possibly believe I would be spending the money for a separate apart just to meet with her.

Our general agreement is 4000 for 3-4 hour meetings and 6000 for overnights with a guarantee of seeing her enough to get close to the 25 k mark plus or minus. I think she wants to make the plus side of that, so I am expecting good performance to continue. I think for a woman her age, she thinks she has it good.

That said, I am seeing someone tomorrow at noon for 3 hours for 5000 that says she is 18 and she has sent me what she says are real pictures and she looks phenomenal. I will not hesitate to send her away with nothing in her pocket, not even taxi fare, if the pictures she sent are not accurate or her appearance isn't just as good. If you lie about looks, you get nothing. I cannot guarantee performance, but I can have standards for looks.

I took a break today because of the early appointment tomorrow. Pacing myself...

[Sorbonne]

I am young at heart, not even 60 yet, and insist it should be photos of Brad Pitt!

You're so intelligent and wise that I thought you'd be a little older. My apologies!

[PhotoSlider]

It has been a very, very long time since a working girl got 3 pops out of me. I paid her 6,000 hryvnia. For me she was better than most FKK girls I ever met. Certainly better than anything I can get in the USA for that price. Maybe it is my age.

It is Kiev Magic and maybe you've been away for way too long.

But why lock yourself up with one girl? Understandably, stability is good. No need for trial and error. But long term contract may adversely affect provider's performance. Unless you pay her per meeting or at the end of the month, it seems a little risky. Kozerog's payment plan is perhaps most reliable. What if tomorrow you get impressed even more with another lady? And then yet another.

Anyway, please forgive my interfering with your thought process, I am simply jealous of your success, and huge thanks for sharing the joy with relevant Forum members. I totally understand and respect.

Your pay is half of an hourly girl rate. Have myself one of favorite regulars in Kiev for 5000 UAH regardless of the meeting length. Usually 6-8 hours, but sometimes she meets me right after I check in into AirBnB upon the arrival from KBP, when 3-4 hours is max what I can do. We never discuss compensation, I simply slip an envelope with cash into her purse on her way out, and her eyes beam with a smile. Gorgeous young lady! Body is definitely a 10, attitude through the roof, and performance to die for. Looks. Out of this world.

Someone here (maybe Kozerog?) explained that 7 means a girl that is better than 60% of the population. Simple logic. From 0 to 10% is rated 1 and ugly. Therefore rated 6 is better than 50%, and 10 is better than 90%, or top 10%.

Everybody has his own criteria. To me attitude and performance are two most important factors. For others it is face, or body, or breast size, BBBJTC, and so on. Top 30% of Ukrainian female population is definitely not bad at all. And it seems performance of your lady was at least 9, if not straight 10. You are the lucky one in paradise right now.