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08-09-21 15:38 #21758
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Rugga [View Original Post]
He knows how to make EE girls comfortable.
3000 for overnight with an 8 is rare, but not unheard of. I did overnight with 8 for 2000 including Greek on the first date and another 9 stayed on the sofa in the living room for free, drunk, gorgeous and sleeping. I was 55 at the time, getting praises on my looks, which I myself do not find extraordinary, but perhaps an average local would be told he is 45. Locals smoke and drink hard liquor, I don't. My quality of life is considerably higher in certain respects.
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08-09-21 13:46 #21757
Posts: 15Tavelling to Kiev from the UK
Hi guys, has anyone traveled from the UK to Ukraine recently?
I'm planning to go in September.
Ukraine is on the AMBER list in Englad, so its possible to skip the quarantine for people fully vaccinated on return and in Kiev.
Anyone has done the rapid test at the airport on arrival?
Any piece of advice would be very appreciated.
Thank you.
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08-09-21 13:21 #21756
Posts: 499Originally Posted by Riina [View Original Post]
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08-09-21 10:46 #21755
Posts: 324Originally Posted by Langer [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Langer [View Original Post]
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08-09-21 02:28 #21754
Posts: 91Blow and go?
Hi.
Will be in Ukraine (Kiev and Odessa) next week.
I'm not interested in paying escort/strip club prices, I'm looking for bargain basement.
Are there any quick f&k places in Kiev like the 10 euro for 15 minutes rooms in Athens?
Where does the average local working man go to get his rocks off?
Also anybody recommend a clean, quiet, and safe hotel under $40 ?
Any information is much appreciated. I'll report back on my finding after my trip.
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08-09-21 00:52 #21753
Posts: 709Originally Posted by Rugga [View Original Post]
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08-09-21 00:34 #21752
Posts: 28Originally Posted by MasterRochi [View Original Post]
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08-08-21 23:55 #21751
Posts: 332Tinder actually works!
About Tinder. The only place where I have got reasonable matches has been when I have used it in Ukraine. Of course, they are all pros.
Originally Posted by TinyHippo [View Original Post]
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08-08-21 23:50 #21750
Posts: 332I agree
I would have to agree. Local girls have told me as much. As the original post indicated, Kiev is full of them, usually form turkey, and not necessarily wealthy. Sure, all women love UAE billionaires, but the rest, not so much. On the other hand, I know of a former regular who ended up marrying a Muslim businessman in Kiev. She even has to wear a burqua now! I guess it shows you the extent to which some women will go in exchange of financial security.
Originally Posted by Ringudor [View Original Post]
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08-08-21 21:35 #21749
Posts: 129Originally Posted by UkeBoy [View Original Post]
I think that Discord could be used to do picture checking when in doubt. Especially in relation to Mamba, but this was from Tinder.
Went out for walk on Krechatyk. Saw a few girls who are obviously ladies of the night.
Darn.
Another thing considering Rugga's post: he seems to have no problem approaching women on the streets and bars, after an eyecontact, and I would have considered this to be the one ("and only") thing that you'd need in Kiev. With your wallet, of course. There are so many very good looking girls that do this, so if one has no shame then it's just waiting to going to happen eventually.
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08-08-21 04:57 #21748
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Rugga [View Original Post]
My second date with the girl I met on Monday was just perfect. She took me for a beautiful walk on the hills with great views. We walked and walked. Spoke a lot she speaks just about enough English not to make it a weird situation. Had great wine and food. Didn't look at her sexually (or tried not to! I'm confident with women and can kind of "take control" mentally of a younger woman as long as she doesn't have a screw loose. Did suggest having a tea at my room but She wouldn't. But that's a good local girl. I was about to get her a cab back but she refused.
I don't speak fluent Russian, but I've lived and worked in Eastern Europe and most relationships have been with EE girls so I know the culture and the nuances. I look low 30's but am mid 40's and fit. One of my buddies told me just because she won't go to your room doesn't mean she doesn't like you. If she comes on a 2nd or 3rd date she's already yours. Around here good girls think like that! This one is work in progress.
And yeah I don't mind taking a nice sounding girl to expensive place on the 2nd /3rd date. I've got 20+ matches here now but 90% I'm not bothering with. Possibly 2 more dates next couple of days.
Most of the Ukrainian girls expect the man to make the first move. Time permitting, I find a special pleasure in outlasting her anticipation, instead of chasing. It's great to hear on the third date her angelic voice saying: "Where do you live?
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08-08-21 04:40 #21747
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
Please forgive my lengthy rant below, and do not judge too harshly. Stream of consciousness.
In the extreme case where the woman wants sex more than the man, the man has the sexual power. This is acceptable in northern Europe or the USA, because woman have legal, political and economic power in those countries. But in Ukraine, and especially for poor working girls, sex is girls' only source of power, so they guard that power jealously, by pretending not to like sex.
The rest of the poor working girls mostly do not even pretend. After 4 or 5 customers in the last 6-7 hours they genuinely do not want any sex, and do not like while doing it. Add to this a serious lack of sleep, and you get the idea. For many the source of power doesn't even cross their mind. They waste customer's time in the shower, can I have a smoke, then a pointless chat, where are you from, then quick mechanical motion, are you done honey, cut it short, give me the tip, and GTFO, get to the next one for about 20 bucks into her pocket after all the withholding.
It takes certain skill to take the girls mind out of the above routine. Doesn't always work out, but with some it pays back in spades.
They only relax when they are confident the man will not take advantage of their display of enjoyment, such as by saying "You enjoyed the sex even more than me, so why should I pay you instead of you paying me?" With Photoslider, presumably the girls have confidence that he would not say this or something similar.
I do not insist too much on widening the spectrum of services beyond the usual half and half. I also never directly ask for those BBBJ, DFK, DATY extras. If the girl hesitates, I simply state that "I will only do what you allow me to do, nothing beyond that. ". I try to gently lead the girl by treating her nicely, seducing her so to speak, and some allow me. I do not enjoy forcing anything against the girl's will, without the mutual consent. And call me naive, but quite a few girls enjoy sex with me. Well, money is certainly part of their enjoyment, especially if it is reliably assumed in the background, and no further discussion is required anymore.
Back in 2019 I had 28 girls in 6 weeks, and more than half of them (17) allowed DATY without extra pay. Only 3 were my regulars. DFK was a slightly lower percentage.
Occasionally I kick out bossy or lazy girls. Again, the key is to identify and weed out those during the curbside casting. But women are good actresses, and some pretenders sneak into my bedroom. Out of 200-300 I literally kicked out maybe 5. Maybe 20% weren't enjoyable. Price of trial and error approach. I do not mind.
Those that behave, I treat nicely, and indeed try to make them feel relaxed. Some are high strung and see everywhere the criminals trying to drug them. They even refuse to drink from the bottle that hasn't been opened in their presence.
If the girl repeatedly insist on upsell, I first say that "Gentlemen do not charge ladies for any pleasures". If she persists with the stupid explanations that I owe her something, I make a mental note to never invite her again.
My own experience is that I often have to force Ukrainian girls (and sexually conservative American girls long ago) to enjoy. Basically, girl lies quietly, then after 25 or so minutes she cannot control herself anymore and involuntarily orgasms when I do. So she can tell herself that it was entirely my decision to make her cum, and since she never expressed any desire for sexual pleasure, she has lost none of her sexual power.
I prefer this sort of sex because it lasts longer. (Note that I practice sexual kung fui, and am multi-orgasmic and my orgasms are not ejaculatory. Ability to control my orgasms precisely helps a lot with forcing sexually restrained girls to orgasm.).
Though I'm not actively looking now, I want to thank SprKiev21 for probably the best report this forum has ever had. Only thing I'll add is that you don't have to be connected to that network of pimps he mentioned to get access to lots of non publicly available girls. All you need is to find one semi-pro, treat her nicely, then get her to connect you to her friends. As your reputation spreads, you will soon have your own network. But this does take time.
As for language, my impression is that English levels are rapidly rising. Almost all the young people speak at A2 level now, though they may be shy to admit it because FSU education system teaches students to be terrified of making grammar mistakes. A2 level English plus sign language is plenty enough for mongering. I speak B1 Russian myself (understand B2, read at C1 level).
Language is required. English + Russian + Ukrainian. I use a mix of those three. Much more important is man's confidence without arrogance. His realistic expectations, and appearance. Younger and more fit may not pay anything at all. And the more connections you make, the less time you'll have to enjoy all the beauties available to you personally. Double booked happens frequently. Triple booked is not unusual.
Again, sorry that I repeat the same things over and over.
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08-08-21 04:08 #21746
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
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08-07-21 09:38 #21745
Posts: 79The worst thigh about train travel
If you must take a train, make sure it's first class, not expensive and a much better way to travel. For me the worst thing about train travel is not the train ride itself but the train station, specifically Kiev (pas) main station, I absolutely despise this station, the absolute worst in Ukraine, this station needs a complex overhaul, it was exceptional for 1950 but not now. As as soon as you get off the train you're in the middle of 100's of people all racing to be the first to that narrow hugh flight of stairs. If you're carrying luggage be extremely careful, pick pockets operating in teams are all over this station and they are exceptionally skilled with their crimes, when at this station always be cautious of your belongings.
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08-07-21 08:27 #21744
Posts: 34Trains is Ukraine
Buying multiple tickets for one person and in one compartment is not permitted. You might not notice if the train isn't sold out. Or the conductor doesn't care. Or you have to pay the conductor a bribe. Otherwise the conductor may give your bed to someone else on a sold out train.
It is true though that during high season you need to buy tickets in advance and trains will be all sold out (especially to south direction). Also train cars with 4 beds compartments (and cheapest ones that are called Platzkart. Big no-no for me) as a rule will most noisy cause they are number 1 choice for companies who travel together and drink vodka all night.
As for prices. The cheapest prices are on Tuesday and Wednesday, Friday and Sunday. They are the most expensive and Monday, Thursday and Saturday have regular price. I do not know though if they will charge extra when you access the site from non UA IP address. Trains are way cheaper in UA than that in EU but some of them are really old (and you never know how old the train will be if you travel over night), some maybe "shaky" and noisy like they have zero suspension at all.
Planes are the the best no doubt, I would suggest to not fall for buses if you travel long distances (more than 3-4 hours ride) cause many roads are still shit in Ukraine (though thet are actively rebuilding them). One more trick for planes ticker. Use VPN and Android or Windows device (Apple devices are usually extra charged by ticket sellers). For plane tickets my choice is https://en.tripmydream.com/.