Kyiv

[Guntherus]

Does anuyone of you recognise this club? And if you can help me to locate this photo, is it any good for spotting young girls? What do you say, clubbing specialists? RB.

[Jymondor]

Luckily I didn't use my real picture or info. This note is for anyone who uses any bit of real information and to warn him against it.

There are two suicidal things in mongering:

1. Disclosing personal information.

2. BBFS.

[PhotoSlider]

...At this rate, in not too distant future, Kiev as a mongering destination may become much less attractive, if not already so.

And that is to put it mildly.

Perfect way to summarize the current state of affairs. Attractiveness is counter-balanced by high cost. Ongoing evolution thanks to further integration into global economy. Washing away any prior differences.

Riina gave concise, exhaustive, little more optimistic, yet very realistic description along the same lines:

...Chances are you'll spend many thousands all for illusion even if you stay awhile. Kiev is a ridiculously expensive mongering destination with a high risk of disappointment.

All the above said, the rewards can be amazing...

Key words are "ridiculously", "disappointment", "amazing". And "thousands" in the above statement are not UAHs, even over few days.

Certainly visiting on the budget is possible, which means staying farther away from downtown points of interest, having sub-par accommodations, dealing with cheaper over-worked lazy providers, eating fast-food, taking subway, and ultimately even traveling to stay outside of Kiev at Sumy, Kharkiv, Dnipro, etcetera.

Not exactly my idea of having an adult version of vacation at my favorite "Amusement Park".

For comparison sake: Rio de Janeiro is still equally fascinating, and even more expensive than Kiev. And likewise affected by the Plague of online communication.

[IndusMint]

I have not been in Kiev in years. But that is about to change. Thinking of staying downtown at Radisson Blu, Yaroslav Yal. Friendly? Not friendly? Thanks. PMs are fine.

Stayed there very green, very quiet, even the bar is notbusy good italian restaurant.

[Mr More]

I have not been in Kiev in years. But that is about to change. Thinking of staying downtown at Radisson Blu, Yaroslav Yal. Friendly? Not friendly? Thanks. PMs are fine.

[Jojab007]

Reading this message I realized that you are mongering under your real name, with your real picture indicating your real personal data. Correct?

Luckily I didn't use my real picture or info. This note is for anyone who uses any bit of real information and to warn him against it.

[Misc123]

Hi Photo,

You were not condescending. Reading your note, which is correct mostly, and looking at my own experience I realized.

200 $ is daily bare minimum excluding lodging, airfare.

Many girls nowadays rarely charge less than 100 $ for 2-3 hours. Prices for girls have gone up at least by a factor of 2 in the last 2 years.

I blame globalization, absence of a recession, more tourists coming to Ukraine with more cash than brains, access to EU, airfares dropping, availability of websites like vk, fb, insta and access to legions of fans who also have more cash than brains.

At this rate, in not too distant future, Kiev as a mongering destination may become much less attractive, if not already so.

And that is to put it mildly.

Ciao.

Misc.

To answer your questions more directly:

$50 for food and drink is a bare minimum, that happens only when I stock the fridge and eat / drink at home during marathons or do Puzata Hata. Otherwise, - I pay for the girls when we go out. Some refuse to eat at fast food. Some do not mind at all.

I eat alone 50/50, perhaps even less than 50%, so $10-20 for light breakfast for two, $20-40 for brunch, and $30-70 dinner with drinks.

Most expensive so far was $200 a night for me and 2 girls at Avalon (with frequent customer 10% discount), including Chivas Regal whiskey for favorite GF and 4 rounds of cocktails for all of us that made the other girl completely drunk. Pinnacle of the visit!

Correct. AirBnB is usually $50-$125 a night, including maid service every 3-4 days. It has been more like $50-75 a night for 1-2 bedroom lately.

GIA and Rio prices are well known. Agency girls 1500-2000 UAH / hour, not higher. Never pay for extras, prefer getting them based on mutual consent- for free.

Freelancers are free or the cost of wining / dining / entertainment. MILFs - $100 total for 5-10 hours.

Going multiple days with the same semi-pro typically runs at $10/ hour considering gifts, collateral and sometimes an envelope upon her departure. Those girls I keep only if they are exceptional. One was dismissed at "Mandarin" for misbehaving and lack of forthcoming with BJs back at my residence.

No idea about Lviv. 700 K / year is 2 K a day. Not sure if it significantly increases already existing competition for resources.

If UA joins EU, then all the prices will go up, and food quality will go down. Same for haircuts, real estate, etcetera.

But we can enjoy what is available nowadays.

[Jymondor]

Warning!

Be aware when contacting girls from mamba, ukrgo, tinder, etc.

Some guys, posing as girls, are collecting your information. Pictures, phone number, location.

They do search on internet against that information, even background images in your pictures. Finally they post all that data on these extortion websites called hall of shame and ask you to register and pay $100 to remove your conent.

I know all that because I became victim myself. Luckily, I always use fake picture and virtual phone numbers.

Please be careful when sharing your information, especially when girl seem too interested in your personal life.

PM me if you want specific information.

Reading this message I realized that you are mongering under your real name, with your real picture indicating your real personal data. Correct?

[Ceschiello]

Hello,

Do someone know a good place for erotic massages in Kiev? Thank you!

Ceschiello.

[PhotoSlider]

6 different customers per 12 hours is not out of the ordinary. Not necessarily the average per a certain category / price range.

Sometimes agency procrastinates with delivery to monger's residence because eagerly anticipated princess is still busy with prior customer.

Apartment girls are more of a conveyor than students and semi-pros, due to the rent overhead..

There was relevant analytics here on Forum in the past.

Not answering the question, just "contemplating the ifs" and thinking aloud, without claiming the ultimate knowledge on the subject:

What is the minimal required monthly income for a young single girl? Perhaps 7-10 K UAH. $300-400.2-3 nights a month for Rio dancer.

But mongers expect their passionate hot ladies looking great with newly made manicure, attractive hair, expensive lingerie and so on and so forth. Therefore Rio dancers are motivated to go more often. Especially single moms. Still they are not afraid to say no, if perpetrating undertaker is rude or smelly or somehow else not appealing.

GIA girls keeping $100-300 per one encounter can afford being rather picky as well, they certainly do not leave an impression of desperately needing next pay- not judging by their cloth, accessories. They seem to make decisions on their own.

Hardened pros charging per hour can sip a drink at Buddha bar for a long time, and need to turn a trick only once a week or so.

On the opposite end are lowly agency and apartment girls charging 1000-1200 UAH / hour, keeping $10-20 a pop. 3-5 times a day while in their prime. 20 days a month seems excessive, as apartment girls rarely look like making $1000/ month, even those sending money back to their parents in the far away village.

Then there's a factor of liking the job: excitement of meeting new customers, having great time, admiring the sex itself, etc.

Students and mamba semipros, unlike apartment girls, seemingly have less time because of classes and office hours, but they possess surprisingly more freedom, as they have their own place, with or without roommates and / or parents. Hence on one hand they need to pay the rent, on the other they are not forced by management, definitely not at GIA.

Had one girl from cheaper agency that wanted sex badly every time we met. She got 5-6 orgasms in one hour and kept going non-stop asking for more. She is a freelancer, not getting any calls from slave-driver dispatchers 10 minutes before our time was over. She also left on her own, just walked away, no company driver. Kiev night was still young.

[Jojab007]

Warning!

Be aware when contacting girls from mamba, ukrgo, tinder, etc.

Some guys, posing as girls, are collecting your information. Pictures, phone number, location.

They do search on internet against that information, even background images in your pictures. Finally they post all that data on these extortion websites called hall of shame and ask you to register and pay $100 to remove your conent.

I know all that because I became victim myself. Luckily, I always use fake picture and virtual phone numbers.

Please be careful when sharing your information, especially when girl seem too interested in your personal life.

PM me if you want specific information.

[PhotoSlider]

how many times do the brothel / apartment girls have sex?

6 different customers per 12 hours is not out of the ordinary. Not necessarily the average per a certain category / price range.

Sometimes agency procrastinates with delivery to monger's residence because eagerly anticipated princess is still busy with prior customer.

Apartment girls are more of a conveyor than students and semi-pros, due to the rent overhead.

[Visal]

Contacting on mamba seems a bit tough and time consuming, but I have started it.

Can I know. What are your thoughts on this. How many times do the Mamba girls have sex in a week and how many times do the brothel / apartment girls have sex?

[PhotoSlider]

So would you say on a daily basis total 200 $: 100-150 $ for 1 girl and 50 $+ for food, drink, clubs, taxi / metro??

To answer your questions more directly:

$50 for food and drink is a bare minimum, that happens only when I stock the fridge and eat / drink at home during marathons or do Puzata Hata. Otherwise, - I pay for the girls when we go out. Some refuse to eat at fast food. Some do not mind at all.

I eat alone 50/50, perhaps even less than 50%, so $10-20 for light breakfast for two, $20-40 for brunch, and $30-70 dinner with drinks.

Most expensive so far was $200 a night for me and 2 girls at Avalon (with frequent customer 10% discount), including Chivas Regal whiskey for favorite GF and 4 rounds of cocktails for all of us that made the other girl completely drunk. Pinnacle of the visit!

And the number above excludes lodging and airfare?

Correct. AirBnB is usually $50-$125 a night, including maid service every 3-4 days. It has been more like $50-75 a night for 1-2 bedroom lately.

How many hours do you figure on getting for that 100-150 $ from 1 girl, let alone 2 or 3? Definitely not GIA.

GIA and Rio prices are well known. Agency girls 1500-2000 UAH / hour, not higher. Never pay for extras, prefer getting them based on mutual consent- for free.

Freelancers are free or the cost of wining / dining / entertainment. MILFs - $100 total for 5-10 hours.

Going multiple days with the same semi-pro typically runs at $10/ hour considering gifts, collateral and sometimes an envelope upon her departure. Those girls I keep only if they are exceptional. One was dismissed at "Mandarin" for misbehaving and lack of forthcoming with BJs back at my residence.

And where will these numbers go in next 1 year, now that Ryanair will deliver 700,000+ tourists into Kiev / Lviv?

No idea about Lviv. 700 K / year is 2 K a day. Not sure if it significantly increases already existing competition for resources.

If UA joins EU, then all the prices will go up, and food quality will go down. Same for haircuts, real estate, etcetera.

But we can enjoy what is available nowadays.

[Riina]

$200 a day sounds about right with lodging, food, and a girl. It's a lot of money if you calculate a two week trip with loss of work. Most guys deep down are looking for relationships and not 2000 uah slam bam thank you mam meetings. Relationships take time and are hard to find. Chances are you'll spend many thousands all for illusion even if you stay awhile. Kiev is a ridiculously expensive mongering destination with a high risk of disappointment.

All the above said, the rewards can be amazing. I met this girl for nothing and she wanted me as a sponsor. Six months after I left Kiev, she was posting photos of herself in thousand a night Dubai hotel rooms.