Kyiv

[Ringudor]

Kiev is not worth going to any more. The quality of the girls are bad and they think they can take crazy money. I do not understand why men would go to Kiev to have fun. I been in Kiev many times over the last 9 years. But now I would never go to Kiev more. My advice to men is find a other country to have fun with the girl. Kiev is too expensive.

OK, can you explain to us what city is better?

[Nero6]

This is probably the wisest thought from all this discussion about past and present days of Kyiv.

Everything was better 15 years ago. Your dick worked better, you had more energy, you could party till morning without heavy hangover that makes you want to die.

Kyiv is still number one or maybe 2 in Europe for quality / price ratio.

As one of my Ukrainian Ex's told.

"There are no girls who do not suck dick. There are men who never get their dick sucked. ".

Kiev is not worth going to any more. The quality of the girls are bad and they think they can take crazy money. I do not understand why men would go to Kiev to have fun. I been in Kiev many times over the last 9 years. But now I would never go to Kiev more. My advice to men is find a other country to have fun with the girl. Kiev is too expensive.

[Ivan Buyan]

Maybe you should look at yourself to determine why girls won't fuck you. Maybe it is your consistently shitty attitude.

This is probably the wisest thought from all this discussion about past and present days of Kyiv.

Everything was better 15 years ago. Your dick worked better, you had more energy, you could party till morning without heavy hangover that makes you want to die.

Kyiv is still number one or maybe 2 in Europe for quality / price ratio.

As one of my Ukrainian Ex's told.

"There are no girls who do not suck dick. There are men who never get their dick sucked. ".

[LuvMexicanas]

Key word. Girls are being paid to go to Clubs, especially the High End Places. I watched this with my one eyes. This has very rarely been mentioned. How the guys that use to post daily in the past leave this facts out and other, makes me wonder.

Now I here guys talk about scams as a normal event. It is not, and definitely not normal, but some guys in Ukraine think it is, "Okay".

The only way to be successful in Kiev is the Ground Game and good luck with that. Now if you work there and have local contacts, then it is different story.

So when were you last in Kiev?

[YummyPL]

You can find cheap girls in Ukraine, but this will take, a lot of work, time and money. Under $100, even $200, you will probably be very disappointed. I am banging way better looking girls then I was in Kiev, not even close, so there are still beautiful girls all over the world. You probably will not find hot girls in Kiev, unless you are working there or living there full time, even then you will probably top out at a 6.

Yes, this country that 15 years had little access to the west, very little internet, very little mobility, a very poor economy, a culture that accepted prostitution as a means to survive without a serious social stigma, loose rule-of-law, and very low numbers of outsiders/tourists has declined in quality more sharply than other countries. It is no longer a monger's paradise. Now mobility has improved, internet is ubiquitous, Europe is visa free, the economy has improved, there are more outsiders, and more young girls have options so an 18 year old can do something other than fuck an old man for money. Of course, the monger's paradise has disappeared. Do you expect things to stay the same? If you do, you are a moron.

I have done a lot of P4P in Germany, and other than the ease of convenience, the girls in Kiev are just as attractive (maybe only 6's will fuck you but I get better), most I have been with provide far better GFE, and most I have been with are a lot less expensive for what I want. I have mongered less often in the UK, Spain, Italy, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Greece, Russia, and other places in Europe and find the quality/price ratio for P4P for what I want to be better in Kiev. If I had a choice, I'd probably choose Russia over Ukraine to live but not necessarily for P4P. For P4P I would choose Kiev over any other place I have been in western Europe.

P4P in Philippines and Thailand has declined just as sharply as Kiev. And I am not particularly interested in these girls. I don't have experience in Africa. I have done a lot of reading and the only destination that looks really appealing to me right now is Colombia. From what friends tell me, the quality/value ratio for what I like is excellent.

My normal thing is to do 5000 UAH for 3 hours for very deep GFE including everything. The girls I see repeatedly are certainly better than 6's. 5000 may be expensive to some, but I can't get this price/service ratio in Western Europe, and I have been challenged to find it in other countries in Central and Eastern Europe. I Kiev I have some good experiences for less than $100 and some exceptional experiences for less than $200. I am old and not very attractive, but I do well here. Maybe you should look at yourself to determine why girls won't fuck you. Maybe it is your consistently shitty attitude.

[DramaFree11]

If you have been coming to Kiev since the 80's you should have amassed a huge number of contacts.

You know in a place like Frankfurt, Germany, if you go to an erotic massage place they will charge you 120 Euros an hour for a mediocre massage and a hand job. They are not prostitutes. Why would you go to such a place to find a girl to fuck?

Two weeks before this post you said you had not been to Kiev since before COVID and would be going soon and in this post you said you were there last month. Hmmmm.

Agency girls can be expensive for anything but the most basic services. That is a fact in Kiev. But if all you care about is fucking, there are plenty of girls that you can get for 2000 for an hourthey will be hit or miss for attractiveness. But really, everybody's taste is different so who is to say that I wouldn't think your taste was bad and you wouldn't think my taste is bad? But $75 an hour is far cheaper than almost any escort service in Europe. Cheaper than RLD in Germany. Far cheaper than FKK. Some guys like agencies or apartments. It is not my thing. And to lament that Kiev is not like the 80's, or 90's, or 2000's is not very constructive. There are very few mongering destinations in the world that are anywhere near as good as they were 15 years ago. Times move on. Kiev is a good value if you know how to look.

Normally, I agree with most your posts, this one probably not. Kiev has declined dramatically, other destinations not even close to what is happening in Ukraine. Top end talent is leaving, as soon as they can get the hell out of there, this includes the business world.

As others mentioned you could find a party every night of the week, now not even Fridays.

You can find cheap girls in Ukraine, but this will take, a lot of work, time and money. Under $100, even $200, you will probably be very disappointed. I am banging way better looking girls then I was in Kiev, not even close, so there are still beautiful girls all over the world. You probably will not find hot girls in Kiev, unless you are working there or living there full time, even then you will probably top out at a 6.

[YummyPL]

In fact I was visiting Kiev since 80 ies, and now got old and as I see how things develop itself (due to political issues) then I read some reviews or reports here, although I was just last month there, I ask myself which place of Kiev these guys are reporting from?

If you have been coming to Kiev since the 80's you should have amassed a huge number of contacts.

You know in a place like Frankfurt, Germany, if you go to an erotic massage place they will charge you 120 Euros an hour for a mediocre massage and a hand job. They are not prostitutes. Why would you go to such a place to find a girl to fuck?

Two weeks before this post you said you had not been to Kiev since before COVID and would be going soon and in this post you said you were there last month. Hmmmm.

Agency girls can be expensive for anything but the most basic services. That is a fact in Kiev. But if all you care about is fucking, there are plenty of girls that you can get for 2000 for an hourthey will be hit or miss for attractiveness. But really, everybody's taste is different so who is to say that I wouldn't think your taste was bad and you wouldn't think my taste is bad? But $75 an hour is far cheaper than almost any escort service in Europe. Cheaper than RLD in Germany. Far cheaper than FKK. Some guys like agencies or apartments. It is not my thing. And to lament that Kiev is not like the 80's, or 90's, or 2000's is not very constructive. There are very few mongering destinations in the world that are anywhere near as good as they were 15 years ago. Times move on. Kiev is a good value if you know how to look.

I don't know what website you are describing, but I get a free membership at Mamba and never pay for any services. Yes, you are right, you can't contact a girl if you are not in their preferred age range. But maybe 19 year old Sveta doesn't want to fuck 50 year old Bob. Mamba takes work, but you can find very good girls there for a very good value compared to the rest of Europe. You are never required to spend money on Mamba and I doubt any of the paid services are worth it.

Kiev is not what it was 15 years ago. But nowhere else is either. Ukraine is not stuck in time. The girls have opportunities. The internet has both opened up possibilities and ruined many things. Kiev is a known sex destination with very loose rule-of-law. Of course there are people that will take advantage of stupid people that can't think.

Kiev is also full of very good opportunities. Lots of very good girls that give absolutely awesome GFE for very affordable prices compared to the rest of Europe. Would I prefer to be somewhere else? Maybe. Do I think Kiev is still an above average destination for P4 P? Absolutely!

[DramaFree11]

In fact I was visiting Kiev since 80 ies, and now got old and as I see how things develop itself (due to political issues) then I read some reviews or reports here, although I was just last month there, I ask myself which place of Kiev these guys are reporting from? It is no GF services, or even BWC or if I ask for COB they ask me additional to the $100 so WTF? Their pimp is sitting in some of European countries and selling his own wife or daughter if he is lucky, the girls are working mostly private either in some live cam platforms or just using fake ID on social media and getting tax-free money, why shall stay in winter time in the cold outside waiting for an old dude like myself for paying them $100 and having demands? The reality is that either you see no girls in nightclubs or as I wrote here earlier, places like relax Kiev or Kiev massage are paying the ugly looking girls lots of money just to come on website's live cam for few hours and let customer book them for massage into luxury hotels (3 star plus) then pay them for 3000-8000 UAH for just 3 hours for service and as I asked if they make anal he answer: girls offer no sex service only HJ! I said in return, WTF is service then worth, just make me horney, so I can do myself? This is the reality of sex services in Kiev, Ukraine nowadays. Other website such Mamba or escort Kiev etc. All are not better earlier I just register, so I could write to the girls if she likes me we change phone number then I go to Kiev meet here, and we had fun I pay her or having anything funny hotel, bars, restaurant, and she was happy for the time I visit her, but now the F. admins push you to buy expensive membership and even if some girls (fake photos mostly) like you, I can not contact her or she in return, not before I buy her a gift 10-50 tokens means additional 40-$60 just to send her a fucking message and the admin try to stay safe in which religiously warn me "be aware even if you give the girl a gift it does not mean automatically she will respond" WTF do these fucking the. Heads think we are idiots? This is the big Nitesh in the market and anybody like to make his golden nose and catch a fish out of milky waters.

Key word. Girls are being paid to go to Clubs, especially the High End Places. I watched this with my one eyes. This has very rarely been mentioned. How the guys that use to post daily in the past leave this facts out and other, makes me wonder.

Now I here guys talk about scams as a normal event. It is not, and definitely not normal, but some guys in Ukraine think it is, "Okay".

The only way to be successful in Kiev is the Ground Game and good luck with that. Now if you work there and have local contacts, then it is different story.

[Enjoy37]

Dear fellow Hunters,

First of all I would like to thank Jimbo5 for his excellent report. Very helpful indeed shedding the light on the actual situation.

Me personally, I have been to Kiev many times, started visits probably 8 years ago. Before Covid I went every second month.

I had good and bad experiences in Kiev (met cute girls and had great sex, girls came and used fake photos, wasted my time.)

Bottom line: I haven't been back to Kiev since Covid and was longing to go back badly. Feel the city vibe, see my favourite places (Bars, Restaurants, Strip clubs.).

Luckily I still have some contacts and hope they will still provide the the known services.

Like everything and everywhere in the world, Prices are not what they used to be. So why should the GFE in Kiev still cost the same as it did 15-20 years ago?

Why should the people in Ukraine accept to be stuck on their status quo and not try to improve their quality of life?

It's just how the world turns.

I was in Dubai last week and many beautiful girls from all over the world go there:

1) Expo.

2) Weather.

3) Money (1 h is easily $ 200-300).

In Germany, if you want a true GFE, your best chance IMHO is Escort Service where girls charge 200-300 EUR / hour.

Sure, you can find girls for 130-150/ hour in a brothel or club, but bear in mind you're just one of the guys that day / week. I wouldn't expect a true GFE from them.

In summary: I am looking forward to my trip to Kiev because I missed it. I am ready to accept the changes that have become the normality and I am not going just for the hobby, but also to experience the city.

And if you don't, you are free to choose to go somewhere else. To treasure memories of the past is good, but we all need to realize and accept the facts of what's happening today.

I'll be in Kiev in the last week of Nov. Will report afterwards.

If someone wants to meet up for a drink or hunting, just get in touch.

[Jahan]

Mister,

You and I are living in the future. Some other guys are portraying a Kiev that does not exist. Sorry, it just does not. There are girls, but most are very young and have little to no interest in older Foreign Guys.

To travel long distances to not have girlfriend experience makes no sense.

You are correct, there is zero nightlife. I remember most nights, except for Friday, the city would be empty at 10 pm. Even Friday nights, the clubs would be horrible. I remember many nights were there would be a ratio of 15 guys to one girl. Those are impossible odds.

Sumner is a little different, but many leave the city for the beaches and villages. Sorry, Guys claiming see. Club is option are wrong. If you do not believe, go check it out, you will be really disappointed.

Again, the guys that post now, do a great job of describing the real Kiev. The truth is slowly coming out about Ukraine.

Girls, yes. Very average and not cheap. Girlfriend experience does not exist now. Zero nightlife, and that is being kind. Scams everywhere.

In fact I was visiting Kiev since 80 ies, and now got old and as I see how things develop itself (due to political issues) then I read some reviews or reports here, although I was just last month there, I ask myself which place of Kiev these guys are reporting from? It is no GF services, or even BWC or if I ask for COB they ask me additional to the $100 so WTF? Their pimp is sitting in some of European countries and selling his own wife or daughter if he is lucky, the girls are working mostly private either in some live cam platforms or just using fake ID on social media and getting tax-free money, why shall stay in winter time in the cold outside waiting for an old dude like myself for paying them $100 and having demands? The reality is that either you see no girls in nightclubs or as I wrote here earlier, places like relax Kiev or Kiev massage are paying the ugly looking girls lots of money just to come on website's live cam for few hours and let customer book them for massage into luxury hotels (3 star plus) then pay them for 3000-8000 UAH for just 3 hours for service and as I asked if they make anal he answer: girls offer no sex service only HJ! I said in return, WTF is service then worth, just make me horney, so I can do myself? This is the reality of sex services in Kiev, Ukraine nowadays. Other website such Mamba or escort Kiev etc. All are not better earlier I just register, so I could write to the girls if she likes me we change phone number then I go to Kiev meet here, and we had fun I pay her or having anything funny hotel, bars, restaurant, and she was happy for the time I visit her, but now the F. admins push you to buy expensive membership and even if some girls (fake photos mostly) like you, I can not contact her or she in return, not before I buy her a gift 10-50 tokens means additional 40-$60 just to send her a fucking message and the admin try to stay safe in which religiously warn me "be aware even if you give the girl a gift it does not mean automatically she will respond" WTF do these fucking the. Heads think we are idiots? This is the big Nitesh in the market and anybody like to make his golden nose and catch a fish out of milky waters.

[CallSignRomeo]

Not to be forgotten: The basic price of these professional hookers only includes the pure act today. Blowing on with a condom. Sex with a condom. Each additional service is charged additionally. Kissing +1000 UAH, licking +1000 UAH, blowing without a condom +1500 UAH. Cumshot in the mouth and face +2000 UAH. No joke. I have often received such a price list from Viber, Telegram and Wup.

"That" is not the Kiev that everyone raved about years ago. And what you are describing is not "the" Kiev that I know from before. If you're from a country where hookers cost $ 500 an hour. Or where there are no hookers at all, then I agree with you. Then Kiev appears like paradise on earth. But $ 200 for 2 hours with a "5"? And not even girlfriend sex? No man has to travel to Kiev to do this. You can find it everywhere in Europe.

Now that is a real report right there. From what I saw few months back in Kiev most working girls offer only basic service and there are no options for extras- at least that's what I got after ringing 25+ bordellos, brothels, salons and the likes. This is disappointing. You can make dummy account on telegram and hide your number and contact as many salons and you can verify that. As Ukraine nationals got visa free access to EU many Kiev ladies / salons moved their operations to other EU countries that was not possible before. But in my unbiased opinion if you have some cash to burn there are some really talented 'devushkas' in Ukraine and if you are long term visitor or rich guy this can work out for you bearing in mind if you can handle scam ladies.

P.S.- I was in touch with 2 scam girls previously mentioned by member here that operate out of the scam restaurant in Pechersk district. Watch out guys! Thanks for the heads up dude.

[DramaFree11]

But Kiev and the Ukraine live from exactly this 10-20 year old myth. The girlfriend sex. The (in reality nonexistent) surplus of women. All beautiful, cheap and willing.

If this were not the case, Kiev would have long been on the list of "bad" cities like Riga, Tallin or Vilnius.

The myth of Kiev is not made up of greedy girls. Girls to trade with. Filing every dollar. Like in the bazaar. And who want extra money for every little extra.

Mister,

You and I are living in the future. Some of the other guys are portraying a Kiev that does not exist. Sorry it just does not. There are girls, but most are very young and have little to no interest in older Foreign Guys.

Too travel long distances to not have girlfriend experience makes no sense.

You are correct there is zero nightlife. I remember most nights, with the exception of Friday the city would be empty at 10 pm. Even Friday nights the clubs would be horrible. I remember many nights were there would be a ratio of 15 guys to one girl. Those are impossible odds.

Sumner is a little different, but many leave the city for the beaches and villages. Sorry, Guys claiming see. Club is option are wrong. If you do not believe go check it out, you will be really disappointed.

Again, the guys that post now, do a great job of describing the real Kiev. The truth is slowly coming out about Ukraine.

Girls, yes. Very average and not cheap. Girlfriend experience does not exist now. Zero nightlife and that is being kind. Scams everywhere.

[Misterxxx]

The best part about report by Jimbo5 is the fact that he didn't do it for his ego, or to compare his Kiev success to somebody else's, - especially not 10-20 years ago. Instead he provided the best practice guide to succeed today.

But Kiev and the Ukraine live from exactly this 10-20 year old myth. The girlfriend sex. The (in reality nonexistent) surplus of women. All beautiful, cheap and willing.

If this were not the case, Kiev would have long been on the list of "bad" cities like Riga, Tallin or Vilnius.

The myth of Kiev is not made up of greedy girls. Girls to trade with. Filing every dollar. Like in the bazaar. And who want extra money for every little extra.

[Lucky Nuts]

I'm back in Kyiv for a couple weeks. If anyone is in town and wants to join me on the hunt or just for a beer please PM.

[PhotoSlider]

...Quick comment up front though. To all the posters giving a glum view of Kyiv. This was not my experience. Not only a great city, but also a lot of great girls looking to meet up. You just got to put in the legwork to get there. You are not going to just walk up to a brothel without some preparation...

The best part about report by Jimbo5 is the fact that he didn't do it for his ego, or to compare his Kiev success to somebody else's, - especially not 10-20 years ago. Instead he provided the best practice guide to succeed today.

The most useful report in a few months. I would even say since the pandemy changed the world, and the way girls of Kiev were forced to operate in new reality. And please don't tell me "Nobody cares about COVID in Kiev!" The change is obvious and it is not coincidental, but some things stayed the same. Beautiful young Ukrainian females keep selling their treasures.

Jimbo5, thank you so much for explaining how find goodies of great quality for a fair price.