Kyiv

[Climbing]

Can someone give us.

Newcomers the name of a good tour agency? Just around Keiv? Chernobyl?

Thanks.

Climbing.

[TinyHippo]

Yeah, I'm planning to do the video call thing too. Meeting in public a couple of minutes walk away is also a definite go.

By the city-thing (which you called village) I meant that there is cities around Kiev, but if you use FakeGPS on your phone to locate you in some of these, there won't be but a few girls in Mamba. At least on the "search" tab. The wipe mode shows all girls, but when you use the search tab it only shows (apparently) those who have made it available. It seems that on default there's an option checked that hides you in "search" from those who aren't verified. So you should also verify your picture to see some girls. But it definitely is so that many, many girls don't show on the search tab. Only on the wipe.

I was trying to check out if there would be girls in nearby cities that could have been called in for a gig, but I guess there's no way to reach them. Thinking about it now I guess there's no point, why wouldn't they have enough customers in their own city.

Actually, I'm more worried about the driver / pimps than the girls. I have no idea how to deal with situations if something goes wrong. Since this is illegal, calling the cops would require a situation where something has gone really wrong. And even if a girl / her partner would be able to snatch valuables as credit card, phone etc. There would be nothing to do. No way to get them back. So. I'm just not familiar with these poorer countries, I don't know how far will people go to get (steal) money. This is my hesitation.

Why are you so paranoid? You are either American and live in a city where murder is normalized or you are planning to kidnap one of these girls and make a jacket from her skin. Ukraine is probably much safer than wherever you are from unless you are writing in Basel from your bank office. Escorts are people too. Don't be a monster.

[Desin]

Sounds like you haven't done much of this before.

Yeah, I've never used a pimp and I don't intend to, if it's avoidable (by finding them 1-on-1). Girls in Mamba at least seems to be independent. If the driver is personally hired bodyguard then fine, but I doubt that a bit. Though if they are pro and this is their living, then yeah, it could be believable.

These guys want to keep a low profile, which means they have more of an interest in keeping a good regular client happy. Are there psychopaths out there? You bet. But they operate more like parasites in that they want to milk you, they don't want to slaughter you.

Heh okay! That was a good piece of information.

This is also the reason why you're not going to find your small town gem. Nobody in small towns has the money that these girls are looking for. Also, they don't want people recognizing them with clients. This ruins their reputation, and possibly anyone who knows them.

Like I said, the 1 hour bus drive was not for me. I bought Mamba's VIP and found out you can select these smaller places from the list. By doing this, you will see some girls in the 'swipe left-or-right' thing that didn't seem to be there when using Kiev as location. It will start to show people from Kiev too, once the locals run up, but it seems like not all girls set their location to Kiev. Also, there is the option to set your location / search area to "Kyiv Oblast", but I'm sure most of the regular Mamba users knew this already.

Just go to where the money is and set yourself up, don't upset yourself. Even if you're looking for that small town gem, you'll actually have better luck finding her through being where the money is.

Yeah, you're probably right on this.

I just had a meeting with my regular (in my homecountry) yesterday and since we both make quite a nice (I at the ending), I started to think how the AirBnB will turn out. Once, at my country, I rented a place which owner's lived the next door. Once I gave the first orgasm to my visitor. Whose moan vibrated through the whole apartment building, I bet. I soon heard how the couple left their own apartment with their kid. This was bit embarrassing, in retrospect. So I thought maybe I should leave my AirBnb in Kiev each time with the girl, so if anyone paid notice, it could seem more like we just were on a date and went to fuck inside. Because if there will be a girl visiting 10 times, maybe someone might say something to the owner? I wouldn't like to have my AirBnb profile get a bad note. (although, come to think of it, I paid 700 euros for the place. I'd suppose they'd just be happy.).

[ShawMan74]

Actually, I'm more worried about the driver / pimps than the girls.

Sounds like you haven't done much of this before. These guys want to keep a low profile, which means they have more of an interest in keeping a good regular client happy. Are there psychopaths out there? You bet. But they operate more like parasites in that they want to milk you, they don't want to slaughter you.

This is also the reason why you're not going to find your small town gem. Nobody in small towns has the money that these girls are looking for. Also, they don't want people recognizing them with clients. This ruins their reputation, and possibly anyone who knows them.

Just go to where the money is and set yourself up, don't upset yourself. Even if you're looking for that small town gem, you'll actually have better luck finding her through being where the money is.

[Desin]

Yeah, I'm planning to do the video call thing too. Meeting in public a couple of minutes walk away is also a definite go.

By the city-thing (which you called village) I meant that there is cities around Kiev, but if you use FakeGPS on your phone to locate you in some of these, there won't be but a few girls in Mamba. At least on the "search" tab. The wipe mode shows all girls, but when you use the search tab it only shows (apparently) those who have made it available. It seems that on default there's an option checked that hides you in "search" from those who aren't verified. So you should also verify your picture to see some girls. But it definitely is so that many, many girls don't show on the search tab. Only on the wipe.

I was trying to check out if there would be girls in nearby cities that could have been called in for a gig, but I guess there's no way to reach them. Thinking about it now I guess there's no point, why wouldn't they have enough customers in their own city.

Actually, I'm more worried about the driver / pimps than the girls. I have no idea how to deal with situations if something goes wrong. Since this is illegal, calling the cops would require a situation where something has gone really wrong. And even if a girl / her partner would be able to snatch valuables as credit card, phone etc. There would be nothing to do. No way to get them back. So. I'm just not familiar with these poorer countries, I don't know how far will people go to get (steal) money. This is my hesitation.

[DramaFree11]

Not sure where you are meeting these girls haha but just have a 15 second video chat on Telegram or Viber to make sure they are real. They are probably thinking if you are real too. Everyone should be smart and also follow my two phone advice too.

Meet near a public place. It will be easier for you and the girl. They are just as scared as you most of the time if they do not have a driver (pros). I also pick a place a two minutes walk from my place. If you act scared when you meet them, they will be even more scared. Which will make you more scared too. You have to be the decisive man. Just say yes or no to her. If you are kind, you can give the girl taxi money back. If not, she will take the metro.).

I also do not understand the village thing. No village girl wants to be seen meeting up with an older foreign guy. The whole village will know she is a working girl the next day. Maybe you will get lucky after dozens of hours of trying, but I would say the Mamba profiles from villages are mostly scams wanting you to give them bus money on their card.

Yep, so true. Many guys leave out just how many hours the spend searching for girls on-line. A Dozens hours is conservative, way too much work, the chances of pulling this off is slim to none. The only way to be successful in Kiev is hit the streets and approach girls.

[TinyHippo]

The one hour bus drive wasn't meant for me. If there would be a social media platform through which one could reach out for little bit smaller cities around Kiev, that could be the key. But VK was banned and not that many use it with VPN.

At the moment I have established contact with 5 girls of which 2 I'm considering very promising encounter and 3 of which might turn out to be the same, but not sure sure yet. About these 3 I'm hesitant if the pictures of the girls are really recent and if the girl's attitude will be proper.

I'll follow the advice and download Tinder only after I'm in the city.

For some reason. Maybe because there was this story written here about two girls trying to use pepper spray or something against a customer, or the mentions about possible robbers for whom the girl opens the door. I find myself worrying about if the encounters will be safe. Because of the language barrier, I will not be able to make a read of the other person before we meet, and even then I suspect I might not be able to tell if there's well hidden agenda because most of the girls don't speak English..

Not sure where you are meeting these girls haha but just have a 15 second video chat on Telegram or Viber to make sure they are real. They are probably thinking if you are real too. Everyone should be smart and also follow my two phone advice too.

Meet near a public place. It will be easier for you and the girl. They are just as scared as you most of the time if they do not have a driver (pros). I also pick a place a two minutes walk from my place. If you act scared when you meet them, they will be even more scared. Which will make you more scared too. You have to be the decisive man. Just say yes or no to her. If you are kind, you can give the girl taxi money back. If not, she will take the metro.).

I also do not understand the village thing. No village girl wants to be seen meeting up with an older foreign guy. The whole village will know she is a working girl the next day. Maybe you will get lucky after dozens of hours of trying, but I would say the Mamba profiles from villages are mostly scams wanting you to give them bus money on their card.

[Desin]

The one hour bus drive wasn't meant for me. If there would be a social media platform through which one could reach out for little bit smaller cities around Kiev, that could be the key. But VK was banned and not that many use it with VPN.

At the moment I have established contact with 5 girls of which 2 I'm considering very promising encounter and 3 of which might turn out to be the same, but not sure sure yet. About these 3 I'm hesitant if the pictures of the girls are really recent and if the girl's attitude will be proper.

I'll follow the advice and download Tinder only after I'm in the city.

For some reason. Maybe because there was this story written here about two girls trying to use pepper spray or something against a customer, or the mentions about possible robbers for whom the girl opens the door. I find myself worrying about if the encounters will be safe. Because of the language barrier, I will not be able to make a read of the other person before we meet, and even then I suspect I might not be able to tell if there's well hidden agenda because most of the girls don't speak English. And I'm worried what will happen when we'll meet outside and if I cancel the deal, either for the reason that the girl is intoxicated or on drugs, or if she looks notably different from pictures. Or just because of a bad feeling. I haven't had to do this before and to do it in another country, where the stuff is illegal, gets my imagination to work.

[Ivan Buyan]

Some have written that girls outside Kiev could be willing to perform with less money.

Has anyone got ideas how to contact potential candidates outside of Kiev? For example in 1 hour bus drive radius?

P.S. Someone suggested Discord-channel, so I made one. Let's see if we get enough people in 12 months to make it useful.

https://discord.gg/XztAbxNx84

Hey man,

Girls outside Kyiv and Odessa in summer time are cheaper. This is a fact but! There are no escort services in 1 ML area around Kyiv. Try Dnipro girls, Kharkiv, Lviv Odessa in non-Summer time, though gems may be found in summer as well.

[DramaFree11]

Some have written that girls outside Kiev could be willing to perform with less money.

Has anyone got ideas how to contact potential candidates outside of Kiev? For example in 1 hour bus drive radius?

P.S. Someone suggested Discord-channel, so I made one. Let's see if we get enough people in 12 months to make it useful.

https://discord.gg/XztAbxNx84

Times is money. Be realistic, you are wasting your time in the villages. Maybe parts of Russia, but this will take so much work and time. This would be a huge waste of resources. Girls that live in the villages are there because of choice.

[Desin]

Some have written that girls outside Kiev could be willing to perform with less money.

Has anyone got ideas how to contact potential candidates outside of Kiev? For example in 1 hour bus drive radius?

P.S. Someone suggested Discord-channel, so I made one. Let's see if we get enough people in 12 months to make it useful.

https://discord.gg/XztAbxNx84

[Fred54]

Of course girls lie. They are having sex for money; they are not so honest.).

What is the more honest? A girl who takes money for sex or a girl who takes money and no sex?

[TinyHippo]

No. It was 4-5 years ago. With the same girls. With the same girls that can still be found on Mamba. For 200 dollars or euros. 30 in 2016. And don't try to bargain down the price. It won't work with these girls.

You shouldn't believe the age of the girls anyway. I know a girl who has 21 in her profile and has been in the business for 8 years. No. She didn't start working under 18. Another girl is 35 and writes 28 in her profile. Another girl 26 and I've really known her for 10 years. She was also already 20 when we first met.

If you order a professional lady, the price today is often 2000 UAH. Sometimes only 1500 UAH. Half goes to the boss. Not 10 years ago. No. Today. But the quality of women for this money is often very bad. In winter, during the quarantine, there were only a few tourists in Kiev. Girls who previously wanted $ 300 were willing to work again for less money for a short time.

Don't trust the photos. Even if it says "verified" or "100 percent real". Almost all of the photos on the website are not real. Sometimes it just shows the type of woman. Sometimes a 100 kilo woman visits you instead of a slim beauty. The agencies' business idea is very simple: most men do not reject women. Even if they are ugly. The men are eager to fuck a woman. Disappointment? Often it doesn't matter. The main thing is fresh meat. Here and right now.

Of course girls lie. They are having sex for money; they are not so honest.).

That's why I said it is ok for us to use a photo filter and lie about our ages a bit too on Mamba since all these girls do face control. I remember living in Odessa in 2015 and being a super novelty native English speaker. Now nobody is impressed when they meet a native English speaker. Ukraine has become super international now and most girls have traveled internationally which was not the case just five years ago.

I don't agree with your $30 pricing, but I will say the prices for girls have doubled in the last six years. I don't mind, but as I said it is largely become of all the tech money in Kyiv. I can't imagine all the pussy you would be getting to be an Ukrainian tech worker in Kyiv these days. At 35 years old, you should be making about $5000 a month and drowning in university students.

[Reiner Otto]

You made reference to PCR testing at the airport, but I just read on line that if you have had on of the WHO approved vacations that you don't need a PCR negative test to

Flew in on 10-June with vaccinazation document only.

[Misterxxx]

I see other comments saying how 10 years ago they could get full service for $30, yes maybe when Ukraine was in USSR.
NongKhai.

No. It was 4-5 years ago. With the same girls. With the same girls that can still be found on Mamba. For 200 dollars or euros. 30 in 2016. And don't try to bargain down the price. It won't work with these girls.

You shouldn't believe the age of the girls anyway. I know a girl who has 21 in her profile and has been in the business for 8 years. No. She didn't start working under 18. Another girl is 35 and writes 28 in her profile. Another girl 26 and I've really known her for 10 years. She was also already 20 when we first met.

If you order a professional lady, the price today is often 2000 UAH. Sometimes only 1500 UAH. Half goes to the boss. Not 10 years ago. No. Today. But the quality of women for this money is often very bad. In winter, during the quarantine, there were only a few tourists in Kiev. Girls who previously wanted $ 300 were willing to work again for less money for a short time.

Don't trust the photos. Even if it says "verified" or "100 percent real". Almost all of the photos on the website are not real. Sometimes it just shows the type of woman. Sometimes a 100 kilo woman visits you instead of a slim beauty. The agencies' business idea is very simple: most men do not reject women. Even if they are ugly. The men are eager to fuck a woman. Disappointment? Often it doesn't matter. The main thing is fresh meat. Here and right now.