Kyiv

[Riina]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zSlpqw4IU4

This youtuber jumped in to help a scam victim in Odessa. That's a man, he's going to get pussy in Ukraine.

[NorskKing]

This is a report for a trip that was in Mid July and I was there in Kiev only for a week. So it was short trip which clearly was focused on old mamasan contact, clubs, stripclubs and nightclubs.

I do not want to repeat the stuff that most of the good contributors have already mentioned. So just some highlights and hope that it would help few others.

1) There are lot of tourists from Arab countries, with deep pockets I guess and it seems the girls got used to prefer them as they are sure that these Arabs came with deep pockets.

There is certain change in attitude in general from many of them and of course the prices of the girls and services have gone little up. Still in average, lower prices than western Europe prices of my experience. These Arabs seems to be picking up the top available girls from everywhere. Nightclubs, stripclubs, pros in other areas etc, but seem to be leaving out 7's and 6's. Never have I seen girls with 6 and 7 body wise so much desperate as there are no other tourist from other countries to entertain them. This is based on two experiences, one in the stripclub and the other in the erotic massage place where both were 7's (my scale relative to my mileage).

2) Taxi guys are aggressive in terms of approaching me and the scammers with throwing the money bundle seems to have increased (or probably I was lucky for that entertainment) but I did not bite any bait.

3) I had 5 different girls with an average price of 5000 UAH for two hours from this broker. One of them suddenly became extremely flirty to super boring mechanical sex in a heartbeat. It was like a split personality or whatever but I have not done anything wrong to correct myself, so no learning and no good sex was waste of money.

4 other girls were amazing as I normally spend 30 minutes or more to just make them feel relaxed and make them feel super comfortable. They gave me GFE experience later with one of them staying overnight for no additional price.

The Princess stripclub experience was good. I went there with no intentional to bring back anyone, but after spending 3-4 hours with this girl "Aanastisia" (if I am spelling it right?

When I went there, I told extremely politely and with respect to the girls approaching me and asking for lapdance that I am going to be there in the club for a while and I am NOT going to make the main rain, but also I am not going to be cheap at all. Many of them just went back except this girl. She just smiled and sat next to me and She did not request any lapdances, she did not force me to buy drinks, she seemed like she just want to sit and talk and have a good day with me. We started talking, and slowly I started ordering normal drinks and then hookah and then food and she started talking about the behind the scenes details of other girls, I started tipping girls who were really enjoying the dance they were performing. I normally go to stripclubs and see the girls as just someone doing their job as normal as other jobs. These girls put a lot of effort into this kind of setup so I respect them (not in a way that they can misuse my respect).

After 4 hours around 2 am, she asked me to take her home. I asked the price and she it is 400 USD and the manager came. She then talked to him in Russian and came back to me telling to give me 300 USD. Probably she renegotiated it for me or it was 300 USD to begin with I do not know or do not care. She did not wanted to have my extra 100 USD which I already said yes to (lots of drinks in me and she gained my trust as a human).

Now when we reached our apartment, she was quite high too, she gave me the best sex of Kiev (and it was high standard to beat my old good experiences). We did not sleep until 7 am and when we woke up again in the evening at 4 pm, she kissed me as if it was her last day to live and she left.

That is some good experience.

The show around girls were just show around girls. But I was not expecting anything to happen due to lack of time that I needed to invest to get any fruitful results with them.

I am a very confident person, and I know what I want at what price range, so it is not easy to scam me. I am also careful and can to a great extend understand when a girl is trying too hard to gain my trust. But for those who are not so confident in the scene, there might be few unpleasant hiccups.

What others say about scams, bad experience is very believable, but I strongly believe that those are because you are portraying yourself as a desperate tourist. The energy and confidence of a man is visible to many.

I had few drinks in me now, so its time for me to rest. Stay safe my friends and be confident out there.

FYI: I have no issues crossing the immigration as I have a green EU covid certificate. I stayed in US for 3 months and came back to Norway so I took Jansen vaccine in US which is only 1 shot to get the EU pass.

[Kozerog]

London and Paris are upscale also. I get those prices there. What I was looking for is local information. You can be sure the local hornet male on modest wages are not paying American prices.

Must be places, I'll search and report back.

Ukrgo is where independents advertise to locals. I don't use the site myself and you probably need Russian or Ukrainian skills:

http://ukrgo.com/view_subsection.php?id_subsection=146

Following is local review site, which is incredibly difficult to navigate, so I am linking to one review, for 800/500, or presumably $29/ hour, $19/ half-hour. So there's your cheap blow and go. Guy wrote a short novella about his experience and appears satisfied (I skipped to the conclusion and didn't read the entire novella):

http://www.kiev-x.in/viewtopic.php?p=1238

[PhotoSlider]

You need a few months to be a success here. P4 P not so good for short term visitors and local girls probably impossible if you are here for a short holiday. I'm wondering whether to take some time off and move to Kiev for a few months just to make hay while sun shines! Experience shows places like this don't stay the same and the scene can changes permanently then it will be too late. Kiev is already changed for the worse compared to a few years ago.

Golden words!

Kiev keeps changing constantly into the new again and again. Never been cheap for me, but I am not going for bargain prices. If it's free or affordable, I'll take it. But I also have sufficient funds.

I loved it in 2003, it's been great in 2008 during the River Palace era, then slowly evolved to my best ever in 2018-2019.6 weeks visit in 2019 was actually cheaper overall than some of my 10 days flybys in the past. Because I was taken for a local. In that respect I do not see Kiev will ever change its ways, will always be different from the west. Cultural traditions as reflected in classic literature at least over the last two centuries reproduce the same behavior within the local circles. That's what attracts me.

And Rugga success IMO is due to his confidence. My impression he has no doubts that he deserves the best, and he gets it more than supposed to happen on average. Ukrainian women do not like doubts and uncertainty in the male behavior. Indeed, some of the girls that I dated in Kiev amazed to the point of me pinching myself. Am I in a dream? And this gorgeous woman, is she indeed in my arms right now, kissing me passionately and already naked, ready for more? I never questioned if I am good enough to have that kind. This approach doesn't work with pro girls at the Arena, but I do not go there. Those are not my target audience.

Going back to your intention to spend more time in Kiev. 3-4 weeks is barely enough. By the week 3 I started to establish good rapport with decent girls, and the inevitable departure was looming in my mind. 6 weeks was much easier on my psyche. The best modus operandi was 4 long visits over 12-14 months with stays ranging from 3 to 6 weeks, and a total of 20 weeks. Then the girls take you for local, and it's a totally different game. No money can buy their trust. Ukrainian girls attitude is simple, as has been formulated by someone here before, maybe by Riina. Can this man improve the quality of my life? Is he better than my other options?

And yeah, sure one can get highway truck stop lizards on the outskirts of the city, those are cheap. But we are not looking at those. My local friends in Kiev aren't for sure.

Anyway, great to read realistic healthy report from the ground.

[Langer]

I've not heard of anything that cheap. I have seen some FBSM ads with those initial prices, but as soon as they know you are not a local, there is not a chance you will pay the cheap rate.

Bontiak Hotel is well placed and decent quality, although the price is higher than what you are willing to pay. Perhaps you are better off with an AirBNB or Dobovo booking?

Thank you for the information, I'll see what I can discover and report back.

[Langer]

Please familiarize yourself with the country you are planning to visit. IMHO what you are contemplating is a bad idea. Although I have heard taxi drivers talk about auto service 500 UAH for quick blow job I have not used it personally.

https://www.avert.org/professionals/...l-asia/ukraine

HIV is an issue in all pay for play situations, not just fast turnover places. Depends on how clean they are, for example In The Hague 25 girls get through many customers but it is relatively safe because they use condoms and are tested regularly.

What I am trying to find out about is the local scene hence my post.

[Langer]

No, Kiev is quite upscale. I live in Kiev and I can assure you that for visitors the lowest average price for quality stuff is US $150 or so.

London and Paris are upscale also. I get those prices there. What I was looking for is local information. You can be sure the local hornet male on modest wages are not paying American prices.

Must be places, I'll search and report back.

[Rugga]

I can totally believe an attractive girl agreeing to 3000 for an hour and staying overnight. It is the 19 year old "lady of the night" on K street pro with 8 looks agreeing to 3000 for anything that is surprising. K street doesn't have a lot of obvious street walkers and is packed right now. A 19 year old "street walker" with 8 level looks would be getting much better offers and would know their worth. Maybe she just got off the bus...

Maybe she was a 7 maybe an 8. I always improve the rating if she is under 21. That's just me. No girl is a 9 if she is over 21. I found K st has better options around 3 am. I made her sms me confirming her age just incase! I didn't agree OWO, A, kissing for this price at the time of picking her up. I just agreed one hour. When things got going she didn't protest and stayed all night just to sleep. Anyway she didn't protests second helpings in the morning. Tried to hook up again but either she wasn't free or I wasn't. On my last day she was free but I'd checked out of hotel by midday. Another trick that might help negotiating price down. I notice girls always ask where are you from? I don't tell them I'm from a rich W European capital, I tell them some less well off place. I speak other languages so won't be caught out! LOL.

Last few days I didn't bother with apartments or p4 p. My local "good girl' dates went extremely well I won't go into detail as it has become serious relations now. Can't believe my luck, doesn't happen as easy in my country with so many spoilt brat girls around. Actually had one massage which was amazing, got the girls personal number but didn't call her back. My Ukrainian ex set me up with another date with a "good" girlfriend of hers. First date sat in a terrace in Podil for 3/4 hours consumed huge amounts of booze. This is one classy Ukrainian girl who does crypto and is loaded. Fluent English. Just back from Caribbean. No plastic surgery or boob jobs which is what I like. Would like to award her a 9 but she is 30 yo LOL. She could probably buy me out a few times! Never asked for taxi's or money. Just a few kisses and hand holding no sex but seems to be there for the taking. Only complaint is she is a bit of a feisty cow and doesn't give up on little arguments when drunk. She told me her and her friends stay away from foreigners as most are sex tourists. Time ran out but still messaging.

Another Ukrainan buddy I've known for a few years I was supposed to meet up with his girlfriend and their friends for some drinks. That's code word for introduce me to local pussy. The fucker cancelled last minute. This approach turbo charges your chances as you are being introduced by friends that suspicion barrier is low and trust is there from day one. Because I know some of the local culture and can talk about local stuff I'm kind of "ok" to be seen with + I've got money and yes it matters to even good girls here. Not wanting to brag but to give some context these girls complemented me on my presentation numerous times.

I noticed the busy restaurant street near the ferris wheel has good looking locals getting pissed at weekends. Spoke to a few which could easily be turned into girlfriends but not in a few days. If only there was time to escalate the relations you could have a dozen on the booty call in Kiev. And that is what I found is the problem. You need a few months to be a success here. P4 P not so good for short term visitors and local girls probably impossible if you are here for a short holiday. I'm wondering whether to take some time off and move to Kiev for a few months just to make hay while sun shines! Experience shows places like this don't stay the same and the scene can changes permanently then it will be too late. Kiev is already changed for the worse compared to a few years ago.

[Alexandrey77]

Rapid test for incoming travellers from Ind, Rus, UK etc when I visited few weeks back was done in small room few yards away from immigration desks at Kiev zhulany- I believe it should be similar at borispol. The whole process including results should take 25-30 min but can take lot longer if lot of passengers need this service. You will get a verde link to sign up and enter your details and You can use airport WIFI. P.S. - If you can speak Russian / Ukrainian you can directly approach the lab lady and get tested even before you approach the immigration desks saving you time spent on queuing up just to be sent back to the lab. Obviously check the current rules if a test is required or not.

Thank you for the piece of advice, very appreciated.

I speak a little Russian, won't be difficult to explain I need the rapid test because I come from the UK.

Where I can see the lab lady? Are there any direction signs?

Where I can get the "verde" link?

[MS Clive]

Hi.

Will be in Ukraine (Kiev and Odessa) next week.

I'm not interested in paying escort/strip club prices, I'm looking for bargain basement.

Are there any quick f&k places in Kiev like the 10 euro for 15 minutes rooms in Athens?

Where does the average local working man go to get his rocks off?

Also anybody recommend a clean, quiet, and safe hotel under $40 ?

Any information is much appreciated. I'll report back on my finding after my trip.

No, Kiev is quite upscale. I live in Kiev and I can assure you that for visitors the lowest average price for quality stuff is US $150 or so.

[PhotoSlider]

Maybe she just got off the bus...

You just answered it.

Maybe off the bus. Maybe she found his accommodations more appealing than her own. Maybe she didn't have a place to stay. That's the beauty of Kiev, great, and even totally unbelievable things happen with higher frequency.

[CallSignRomeo]

Hi.

Will be in Ukraine (Kiev and Odessa) next week.

I'm not interested in paying escort/strip club prices, I'm looking for bargain basement.

Are there any quick f&k places in Kiev like the 10 euro for 15 minutes rooms in Athens?

Please familiarize yourself with the country you are planning to visit. IMHO what you are contemplating is a bad idea. Although I have heard taxi drivers talk about auto service 500 UAH for quick blow job I have not used it personally.

https://www.avert.org/professionals/...l-asia/ukraine

[CallSignRomeo]

Hi guys, has anyone traveled from the UK to Ukraine recently?

I'm planning to go in September.

Ukraine is on the AMBER list in Englad, so its possible to skip the quarantine for people fully vaccinated on return and in Kiev.

Anyone has done the rapid test at the airport on arrival?

Any piece of advice would be very appreciated.

Thank you.

Rapid test for incoming travellers from Ind, Rus, UK etc when I visited few weeks back was done in small room few yards away from immigration desks at Kiev zhulany- I believe it should be similar at borispol. The whole process including results should take 25-30 min but can take lot longer if lot of passengers need this service. You will get a verde link to sign up and enter your details and You can use airport WIFI. P.S. - If you can speak Russian / Ukrainian you can directly approach the lab lady and get tested even before you approach the immigration desks saving you time spent on queuing up just to be sent back to the lab. Obviously check the current rules if a test is required or not.

[CallSignRomeo]

Hi guys, has anyone traveled from the UK to Ukraine recently?

I'm planning to go in September.

Ukraine is on the AMBER list in Englad, so its possible to skip the quarantine for people fully vaccinated on return and in Kiev.

Anyone has done the rapid test at the airport on arrival?

Any piece of advice would be very appreciated.

Thank you.

Rapid test for incoming passengers from Russia, Ind, UK etc when I visited couple of weeks back was done close to immigration desks at Kiev Zhulany. I believe this process should be similar at borispol. You can use WIFI at the airport and sign up on the verde link they will give you. The whole process takes about 25-30 min depending on the number of passengers waiting to be tested. Pro tip. The immigration official normally sends you to the lab but if you can speak Russian / Ukrainian you can directly speak to the lab lady and get tested before approaching immigration. Check current rules though I think this might have changed for your country.

[YummyPL]

And this is only one of the few advantages that Rugga has.

He knows how to make EE girls comfortable.

3000 for overnight with an 8 is rare, but not unheard of. I did overnight with 8 for 2000 including Greek on the first date and another 9 stayed on the sofa in the living room for free, drunk, gorgeous and sleeping. I was 55 at the time, getting praises on my looks, which I myself do not find extraordinary, but perhaps an average local would be told he is 45. Locals smoke and drink hard liquor, I don't. My quality of life is considerably higher in certain respects.

I can totally believe an attractive girl agreeing to 3000 for an hour and staying overnight. It is the 19 year old "lady of the night" on K street pro with 8 looks agreeing to 3000 for anything that is surprising. K street doesn't have a lot of obvious street walkers and is packed right now. A 19 year old "street walker" with 8 level looks would be getting much better offers and would know their worth. Maybe she just got off the bus...