Kyiv

[Riina]

Before, you could go to a party in Kiev any day of the week. Disco every evening. And willing girls in every disco. Free or for little money. As a foreigner, you got into every club. There weren't any problems.

I could deal with a difficult hooker scene, but this is basically why I never returned to Kiev.

[Misterxxx]

Been home a few weeks now after a 2 week working trip to Kyiv (my 2nd visit there) - thanks to everyone before me on the forum as the information, and debate here has been very useful. I wanted to share my experiences.

I'll post this in a few parts. This one is a run through of things I learnt, mainly using Mamba. I'm no expert. Unlike several on this thread. But I've picked a few things up I think would be useful for others.

Next will be how I got on with Apartments and lastly a review of the girls I met.

Quick comment up front though. To all the posters giving a glum view of Kyiv. This was not my experience. Not only a great city, but also a lot of great girls looking to meet up. You just got to put in the legwork to get there. You are not going to just walkup to a brothel without some preparation...

I think that nobody said in the forum that there are no more hookers in Kiev. You got that wrong. But the glory days of Kiev are definitely over. Of course, as a newcomer, you can't see that. But if you come to Kiev for 10 years, 20 years or more, the differences from before are clear. Not just in terms of prices.

Before, you could go to a party in Kiev any day of the week. Disco every evening. And willing girls in every disco. Free or for little money. As a foreigner, you got into every club. There weren't any problems.

There's no party anywhere during the week today. The good locations for the weekend have become few. Many locations only let familiar faces in. As a foreigner, you can usually not get into the top clubs. You need good friends who live in Kiev and have been known there for a long time.

When I read that you received offers for 5000 UAh (almost $ 200). Then only for two hours and without extras, then for most people in this world there is no reason to go to Kiev for sex. For this money you can find women in every city in Europe. In the same class as in Kiev.

Many years ago, Kiev was known for girlfriend sex. You may have paid, but you didn't need to negotiate extras. 9 out of 10 girls fucked without a condom. What you call extras today was always included and completely normal. Mamba was also full of amateur girls. Not professionals.

What you describe and found on Mamba are professional hookers. Or brothels. That's the problem. There are now tons of brothel advertisements. Hiding behind some fake photos. The demands are excessive. And the few amateurs on Mamba are not as beautiful as they were in the old days. Quantity down. Quality down. Prices up. Extreme. Because even girls with a 5 on the 10th scale have their noses way up. And describe themselves as a top shot.

Such price lists with extras are real disruptive factors. If you don't agree everything beforehand and suddenly want to cum in your mouth during sex, how do you do that. ? I also had a girl who said 10 seconds before the final shot: "That costs 1000 UAH extra". And she wanted me to jump up 10 seconds before orgasm, get money out of my suitcase and pay for CIM.

Not to be forgotten: The basic price of these professional hookers only includes the pure act today. Blowing on with a condom. Sex with a condom. Each additional service is charged additionally. Kissing +1000 UAH, licking +1000 UAH, blowing without a condom +1500 UAH. Cumshot in the mouth and face +2000 UAH. No joke. I have often received such a price list from Viber, Telegram and Wup.

"That" is not the Kiev that everyone raved about years ago. And what you are describing is not "the" Kiev that I know from before. If you're from a country where hookers cost $ 500 an hour. Or where there are no hookers at all, then I agree with you. Then Kiev appears like paradise on earth. But $ 200 for 2 hours with a "5"? And not even girlfriend sex? No man has to travel to Kiev to do this. You can find it everywhere in Europe.

[PhotoSlider]

Exceptional first post! Very practical information that is relevant to both new visitors and those with experience. I will try to comment on some of your points later, but I wanted to be the first to say thank you and welcome to the world of ISG posting. We look forward to your continued contributions.

Hey man!

Great move submitting for report of distinction. We didn't have one in two years, and Jimbo5 provided excellent methodology!

What a gem indeed. None of that "Kiev is dead" naysayer bullshit. Instead he gives detailed, honest, and optimistic guide, ready to use by anybody. What to avoid, how to improve the chances, and literally what to tell the girls. Nobody thought about giving those examples of dialogs. Brilliant idea.

First report, and immediately scores so high! Hail the master instructor!

[CallSignRomeo]

Been home a few weeks now after a 2 week working trip to Kyiv (my 2nd visit there) - thanks to everyone before me on the forum as the information, and debate here has been very useful. I wanted to share my experiences.

Don't listen to the naysayers on this forum. I had no problems finding several operating, and had some great experiences. And next trip (Nov hopefully) I'm going to take this route even more I think, some really good looking girls available, and doesn't need as much effort upfront to get results.

Good first report and almost most of it is true. The point of contention was not that good / average ladies are available for 100 $ or not for basic service but the fact that previous frequent travellers to Kiev have to pay NOW higher amount for this service which if I'm not mistaken was available for lower rates couple of years back. Most working ladies refuse or charge a lot for owo, DFK and any other extra services you might desire. Although dating and other platforms like mamba, tinder, badoo and what not are totally different ball games if you can separate the wheat from the chaff!

[YummyPL]

Been home a few weeks now after a 2 week working trip to Kyiv (my 2nd visit there) - thanks to everyone before me on the forum as the information, and debate here has been very useful. I wanted to share my experiences.

Exceptional first post! Very practical information that is relevant to both new visitors and those with experience. I will try to comment on some of your points later, but I wanted to be the first to say thank you and welcome to the world of ISG posting. We look forward to your continued contributions.

[DramaFree11]

Been home a few weeks now after a 2 week working trip to Kyiv (my 2nd visit there) - thanks to everyone before me on the forum as the information, and debate here has been very useful. I wanted to share my experiences.

I'll post this in a few parts. This one is a run through of things I learnt, mainly using Mamba. I'm no expert. Unlike several on this thread. But I've picked a few things up I think would be useful for others.

Next will be how I got on with Apartments and lastly a review of the girls I met.

Quick comment up front though. To all the posters giving a glum view of Kyiv. This was not my experience. Not only a great city, but also a lot of great girls looking to meet up. You just got to put in the legwork to get there. You are not going to just walkup to a brothel without some preparation..

Great post and very believable! Good job.

[FilthyBeaver]

Wow, this is great info. I tried Mamba once before my first trip but not this hard. Dating apps didn't exist when I was dating so I'm sure there's a learning curve I never fully grasped. I decided getting overcharged at the strip clubs was a lot less work and now that I look at it I'm only paying a small premium over your experience if at all. I latched on to one girl with whom I have really good chemistry. Costs me 8 k all night but I heard the price went up to 9 k in the last couple months. If you're paying 4800 for 2 hrs with exactly what / who you want we're practically paying the same price. I'm no good for two straight hours, three pops in an all night encounter is the absolute max these days. Two pops for me with your 4800 girl would cost me 9600 plus whatever awkwardness there is between romps.

Been home a few weeks now after a 2 week working trip to Kyiv (my 2nd visit there) - thanks to everyone before me on the forum as the information, and debate here has been very useful. I wanted to share my experiences.

I'll post this in a few parts. This one is a run through of things I learnt, mainly using Mamba. I'm no expert. Unlike several on this thread. But I've picked a few things up I think would be useful for others.

Next will be how I got on with Apartments and lastly a review of the girls I met.

Quick comment up front though. To all the posters giving a glum view of Kyiv. This was not my experience. Not only a great city, but also a lot of great girls looking to meet up. You just got to put in the legwork to get there. You are not going to just walkup to a brothel without some preparation..

[Jimbo5]

Been home a few weeks now after a 2 week working trip to Kyiv (my 2nd visit there) - thanks to everyone before me on the forum as the information, and debate here has been very useful. I wanted to share my experiences.

I'll post this in a few parts. This one is a run through of things I learnt, mainly using Mamba. I'm no expert. Unlike several on this thread. But I've picked a few things up I think would be useful for others.

Next will be how I got on with Apartments and lastly a review of the girls I met.

Quick comment up front though. To all the posters giving a glum view of Kyiv. This was not my experience. Not only a great city, but also a lot of great girls looking to meet up. You just got to put in the legwork to get there. You are not going to just walkup to a brothel without some preparation.

So 2 weeks before arriving I signed up to Mamba. Took some of the advice from a previous poster here with a suggestive personal message and selected as many cute under 28 yr olds as possible. Note: The app doesn't let you message anyone unless they have selected an age range for their search that covers your age. This creates a dilemma. Do you use an older age (say 45) and then any 20 yr matching pretty much already knows what you are after. But you miss matching with a lot of cute young girls who are only looking for an age range of, say, 18-35. Or do you use a younger age where you'll likely get a lot more matches / ability to message but you might make it harder for the 'right' girls to zero in on you with your motives. I chose an age that is close to my real age (hint, older). And it worked out fine for me. Although I did spend a lot of time (a LOT of time) swiping right. And had to let a lot of really nice girls slip through my fingers as the age ranges didn't match.

Also. Be careful with your text if chatting directly on Mamba (or Tinder for that matter) - if you solicit girls directly on the Mamba chat you'll end up having your account revoked and you'll lose your money. Better to move keep the chat within boundaries and aim to move the chat ASAP to another site. The girls who are interested also want to do this, you'll not get any resistance.

Tip #1 - get yourself on Whatsapp, Viber and Telegram before you leave home. All the girls are using one of those 3. When you pick up a local SIM from the airport (400 UAH for unlimited data for a month. Essential) then you can use this number instead of your home number which helps girls recognise you are in Kyiv and not talking to them from abroad. Viber also has a great built-in translation tool which makes it a lot quicker to use than the others.

Telegram involves either a number or an ID (eg " at xsomeonex") - If a girl gives you this without reference then you'll need to search for it on Telegram. You should also be happy to share your ID reference with others.

For an example of a simple chat on Mamba. I sent a 'wink' to a cute girl (18) who listed ages 18-80 for her search, and then added a message along the lines of "Hi, I'm going to be in Kiev in a few weeks time. Would love to meet you if you're around. Let me know " - and the response was " at Sweet* - straight up basically saying she wanted talk on Telegram.

Don't be shy in winking to everyone. Everyone. You like, and following this up with a message hinting at what you are after. Eg meeting up. Most will be unread, or read and ignored, but you'll get some hits if you try hard enough.

If you start a few weeks before arriving you might get something like this which basically is one to store away for later. Chances are you can have a meeting from this one you arrive.

- xxx winked at you.

- "Hi xxx. Love the photos etc".

- "Ok, when you come to Kyiv write to me".

- "Will do. Looking forwards to meeting".

- but be aware that it looks like a lot of girls on Mamba don't check the site very often so you might find the message you send back is ignored. Best plan is to have a LOT of these kinds of chats lined up so that you'll be able to realise a few on arrival. Cast the net wide.

I had a few who all sounded keen to meet. Then didn't reply at all while I was there, only to say Hello, again once I was back home. Sigh. What can you do.

So. You're now talking directly (either a girl or an agency. Hard to know).

Depending on the attitude you might get a first message, straight up like "Hi one hour 100 dollars all in a condom kiss massage is a good time <kiss " - that's word for word an example. Then followed by a selection of photos (although could be fake. More on this later).

Another. Me first.

"Hi xxx, its xxx here from Mamba".

"Hello" - followed immediately by several photos and.

"Meet 100 EU + Taxi 300 UAH, Oral Classic Massage Kissing 69".

Etc.

Others might be a little more reluctant to dive in and the chat starts a little less direct. But moves quickly. Eg (again a real chat) - first message from the girl.

- "Hello, Do you want to meet? Where are you situational geographically?

- "I'm in Kyiv, nr Olimpiysky. Would be good to meet. What is the offer?

- "I have a girlfriend, we can work together."

- "Can you please share soe photos?

A dozen photos arrive of both girls -.

- "Thanks. So what deal are you offering?

- "How much time do you want?

- "Lets start with 2 hours".

- "5000 UAH".

Etc.

Or alternatively. Me starting.

- "Hi xxx. This is xxx here from Mamba. Did I get the number correct?

- "Hello, nice to meet you smile".

- "and you also ".

- "So, meet for financial support good for you?

- "Sure, I'm happy to meet up. I'm arriving xxxx. What were you offering".

- "How many hours you want?

- "Lets start with 2, and see how it goes ".

- "2 h is 3500 UAH".

Etc.

So you can see it doesn't take long to move the chat where you want it to be, and often doesn't need you to make the first obvious move. Here is another example for a girl looking more for a sponsor than a 1 night stand. Expensive I know, but a very cute girl. No harm in seeing what was possible.

- Hi xxx, xxx here from Mamba. Hope I got the number right!

- Hi.

- Great. So I'm hoping you are around to meet in a few weeks when I'm in Kiev?

- How much?

- Depends but to spend time with a beautiful girl like you it would be worth it. What would you like to do?

- no I don't play like that I need specifics and promises.

- Ok 🙂 - for you to visit my apartment for some fun I can offer $150. I need to know your promises as well.

- If 250- ok?

- 200 and we can make some plans. I meant what are your promises for when you visit?

- I'm looking for a man on a permanent basis, how often do you come to Kiev?

Every few months. Work and covid depending. We can meet when I am in Kiev in a few weeks and see how it works. I'm happy to meet more often as well.

- Okay, but sex only with condom.

Etc.

Tip #2 - get an apartment. Use Airbnb, or a local site like Dobovo, but get yourself an apartment to yourself. Somewhere in the centre (Maidan probably best) where you can enter / leave at will without anyone else involved. Makes life a lot easier, and you can pick a good place for way way less $$$ than you'd pay for a midrange hotel room back home. No point in messing with hotels and potential problems with guest policies / walk of shame etc. Skip this see**p. However be aware that as much as these apartments are nearly always really good looking when you are inside, the buildings / lifts / stairwells etc outside are nearly always in a state of ruin / graffiti covered etc. Also I'm guessing there is a high risk of burglary as all the doors seem to be double / tripled bolted and the doors are a really thick! Just an oddity I've noticed here. No idea of the actual risks.

So you now in principle have some chats going on Whatsapp etc. Don't be scared here to dive into the specifics. Both in asking for photos and stating what you want. I've asked for photos with a comment like "Are you ok to share some photos as I'd like to avoid an awkward situation if you arrive and it not the same. It can save us both time". Most girls will do this, some will still share fake photos, but I found most to me were accurate, albeit obviously showing the girl in the best light, or maybe a little younger. I've also had some that have put a stop to the conversation when the photos have been a lot different than the Mamba ad. Better to ask up front.

As well as photos. Don't hold back to ask what you want from the girl when they arrive. Gives them the chance to ask for more $$ upfront, or to set their boundaries in advance. IF you don't clarify this upfront then be prepared for things to be more awkward on arrival. I only had 1 bad experience really with this. I'll share more in another post.

Note that in Ukraine, things like DATY, Kissing, CIM, OWO are *NOT* standard. Don't assume any of these are available unless agreed, and often cost more. I had a girl I met twice, she was drunk the first time and kissed with no concerns. 2nd time she asked for money to kiss.

Again some examples from my chats. Here my message first.

- "I like Oral without condom, French kissing, reverse oral and CIM. Is this ok?

- "Good 3100 UAH".

Or.

- ". Also please let me know if I can come on your face / mouth. I like to end this way".

- "Yes".

- "What would be your total for 2 hours to include the above".

- "2 hours 4800 UAH".

Or sometimes it doesn't go so well. - girl first this time.

- "Lets discuss more exactly, Classic, oral, 69 - 3000 UAH plus Taxi -good?

- "Oral without condom and Come in mouth. Is this ok?

- "Can't do this".

Or.

- "What does that include? I like Oral without, french kissing, 69, come in your mouth".

- "In my mouth no. Maximum on my boobs".

The girls are not shy to answer these questions. They deal with this a lot more than you do. So don't hold back to ask.

SCAMS.

OK. Along with the hits you also get a number of what I'm assuming are scams. Some examples.

1 - I don't live in Kyiv, can you pay for my fare to arrive.

My answer. I can cover this when you are here as part of the payment, but I don't want to be sending money in advance of meeting.

2 - "Well now I need some nice lingerie for you and to eat".

My answer. We can work on this once we meet. If things go well maybe we can go shopping the day after? You look great in your photso already.

3 - one girl sent a video of a suitcase and told me she was being kicked out of her apartment and could I help. I even had a message at 3 am saying she was on the street and cold. This was before I had arrived in Kiev. I'm hoping this was a scam else I feel bad for not helping. But hey, avoiding being scammed means taking a hard line to messages like this.

My answer. When I'm in Kyiv you can come and stay at my apartment if it helps. But I'm not here yet. I'll let you know when I arrive, hope you are ok.

Basically. Just don't send or spend money before, whatever the message. Hopefully people reading this already know this. Chances are it will not end well.

Anyways. Hopefully the above gives you an idea of what to expect. From all the work on Mamba (and don't discount the time you have to spend checking / swiping / winking etc. You have to put in the hard yards for this to be viable) you can get some great experiences, even on a short trip (although don't tell them this).

I'll share a post on my experiences with Apartments later. But again. Don't listen to the naysayers on this forum. I had no problems finding several operating, and had some great experiences. And next trip (Nov hopefully) I'm going to take this route even more I think, some really good looking girls available, and doesn't need as much effort upfront to get results.

[Misterxxx]

I want to correct a mistake. The year I went to Kiev for the first time was 2015. Not 2014. In 2015,1 dollar = 22 uah. 700 uah was equivalent to 31 dollars. 1000 uah was almost $45.

Your mistake is even bigger. Due to the war with Russia, the national currency suffered a massive fall. In 2013, UAH 1,000 was still $ 120. Then only 45 dollars by 2015. Prices in Ukraine are given in local currency. So suddenly everything was very cheap for us foreigners. Because the prices in UAH were only slightly increased during this period. Not doubled or tripled. The same goes for the girls' payment. Anyone who has paid the women in dollars beforehand will not have noticed this. But restaurants were suddenly very cheap. I can still remember a video by a black Kiev blogger. A fully set table in the restaurant on the Dniepr. "All of this for only $ 3".

Iphones and flights didn't get any cheaper. In the meantime, the inflation from then has been completely offset. Everything has become significantly more expensive.

Quarantine will be announced again in many cities for Ukrainians from Monday. Unvaccinated Ukrainians are officially only allowed to get on the coach or train with a test. Not even in restaurants without tests. But there are only a few young people who are vaccinated. Going out with the girls should then be a problem. Because you can't get in everywhere without problems. And sitting on the bench in front of McDonalds in freezing temperatures is no fun.

[Ricko85]

I want to correct a mistake. The year I went to Kiev for the first time was 2015. Not 2014. In 2015,1 dollar = 22 uah. 700 uah was equivalent to 31 dollars. 1000 uah was almost $45.

[FilthyBeaver]

I am embarrassed to admit that I never thought about tapping a taxi driver as a resource because with Uber, there's never a reason to hail a taxi. It works everywhere else in the world so why not there. Only concern is the vast majority of my drivers in Kyiv spoke no English whatsoever so why would taxis be any different? I probably haven't taken a proper taxi in 5 years since Uber came into existence.

2 & 3 are sound. I was a VIP at one of the clubs after 3 nights. All night is supposed to be 6 hrs but for me it was really all night so long as the girl agreed so I'd show up at 8 and she'd go back to get paid around 6. I could also sit wherever I wanted which I could not do the first couple times I went in. I still don't understand that but whatever. I paid dearly, as you said because of "middlemen" but I got what I wanted.

Been working on 4 for 8-9 months now. Duolingo is free and a great complement to Babbel which is paid. I'm using both about 15-20 min a day. I can understand quite a bit, can count, and have a reasonable vocabulary but cannot speak it well. I can basically understand what people are talking about but that's it. I got into an Uber my stripper girlfriend called for me when I left her apartment and when I told him I didn't speak Russian (in Russian) he said "bad" to me and gave me a dirty look. When I challenged him, he decided the conversation was over and took me where I was going without saying anything else. You can probably make a pretty good argument that I've wasted the last several months trying to learn the language.

This post reminded me of good old memories. I am sure that the friends who will read my article will gain a new perspective to reach girls cheaper.

I went to Kiev for the first time in 2014. I was wandering the streets and wondering how I could find a hooker. I approached a taxi driver, asked about prostitutes. He made a phone call and took me home. Home's mama said 1000 uah for 1 hour. I gave the taxi driver 100 uah taxi fare. The girl was 25-26 years old, and her performance was good.

The next day I went to the same house alone. I rang the bell and said "I'm here for the girls". I waited a little. Then they opened the door. I asked the price. They said 700 uah for 1 hour. I understood that the taxi driver received a commission of 300 uah. I bought another girl and I am satisfied. One day later, I went back to the same house. It was daytime and there was only one girl. She was in her early 30's. She had curly red hair. She said she was on her period and could only do erotic massage. I offered anal sex. She didn't accept. I insisted a little sympathetically and said I could give 1000 uah. She accepted. She gave me a blow job without condom and her ass. Only 1000 uah. After sex, I asked her for her phone number. I told her I would pay 1500 uah + taxi fare for 3 hours anal sex. She accepted. The next day she came to my house and I fucked her until my balls hurt. Only 1500 uah..

[Ricko85]

So my report is going to essentially be a review of 2021. I am seriously dating someone now here and Ill admit most of my activity was extensive. I'll include my opinions and experiences. Yours may vary. I spent roughly 25000 USD on girls in 5 months. This included what was essentially daily fucking of girls ranging from 2200 to 3000 an hour and occasional extras. Right now I have been out of the game for six months and I'm writing this as more of a gesture of goof will than a current FAQ. I would have posted updates but apartment managers and so forth used to send girls multiple times a week and I sometimes wonder if they view these forums.

I essentially spent most of my money on girls from Darlings and Golden Harem. I have very specific tastes and strongly prefer the girls who look 18 to 19.

One thing I noticed is that many of the older girls I settled for would be far better in bed. In fact the young looking girls I preferred rarely impressed. What's ironic though is my best fucks were usually always in the 2200 range..

This post reminded me of good old memories. I am sure that the friends who will read my article will gain a new perspective to reach girls cheaper.

I went to Kiev for the first time in 2014. I was wandering the streets and wondering how I could find a hooker. I approached a taxi driver, asked about prostitutes. He made a phone call and took me home. Home's mama said 1000 uah for 1 hour. I gave the taxi driver 100 uah taxi fare. The girl was 25-26 years old, and her performance was good.

The next day I went to the same house alone. I rang the bell and said "I'm here for the girls". I waited a little. Then they opened the door. I asked the price. They said 700 uah for 1 hour. I understood that the taxi driver received a commission of 300 uah. I bought another girl and I am satisfied. One day later, I went back to the same house. It was daytime and there was only one girl. She was in her early 30's. She had curly red hair. She said she was on her period and could only do erotic massage. I offered anal sex. She didn't accept. I insisted a little sympathetically and said I could give 1000 uah. She accepted. She gave me a blow job without condom and her ass. Only 1000 uah. After sex, I asked her for her phone number. I told her I would pay 1500 uah + taxi fare for 3 hours anal sex. She accepted. The next day she came to my house and I fucked her until my balls hurt. Only 1500 uah.

Of course, the prices are much higher now. Don't expect to have anal sex with a girl for $40 nowadays. But the point is: get the middlemen / go-between out of the way.

I made a similar offer to other girls in other cities many times in the future. Some accepted, some refused. In 2019, I made a similar proposal to a stripper during a private dance at a strip club in Kharkiv. 1500 uah for 1 hour. She accepted. If I took that girl to my house the normal way, I would have to pay 100 dollars to the girl and 100 dollars to the club.

Conclusion:

1) Eliminate the middlemen.

2) Do not hang out in places frequented by tourists.

3) Continuity is essential. If you go to a place (strip club, nightclub, cafe, etc.) many times, people will recognize you and trust you more. If you bought a prostitute you like twice, it's stupid to pay commission for the third time.

4) Learn some Russian. I still haven't found out and it's my fault.

Have fun everybody.

[FilthyBeaver]

Your appetite is bigger than mine but aside from that, this is exactly what I would have done if I had boots on the ground for multiple months. Congrats and I agree, the place is untapped. I prefer the younger ones too but they're always starfish. I'm there for my pleasure not theirs so I always reason it away. I'd rather have an incredibly hot girl than a porn star in bed. Bliss is to have both but those are unicorns in my experience.

So my report is going to essentially be a review of 2021. I am seriously dating someone now here and Ill admit most of my activity was extensive. I'll include my opinions and experiences. Yours may vary. I spent roughly 25000 USD on girls in 5 months. This included what was essentially daily fucking of girls ranging from 2200 to 3000 an hour and occasional extras. Right now I have been out of the game for six months and I'm writing this as more of a gesture of goof will than a current FAQ. I would have posted updates but apartment managers and so forth used to send girls multiple times a week and I sometimes wonder if they view these forums.

I essentially spent most of my money on girls from Darlings and Golden Harem. I have very specific tastes and strongly prefer the girls who look 18 to 19.

One thing I noticed is that many of the older girls I settled for would be far better in bed. In fact the young looking girls I preferred rarely impressed. What's ironic though is my best fucks were usually always in the 2200 range.

What I noticed is the apartments weren't super busy and I suspect relied on heavy spenders. Darlings eventually shut down in March and stole money from multiple girls and male associates along with the apartments associated with then..

[IdiotSavant]

So my report is going to essentially be a review of 2021. I am seriously dating someone now here and Ill admit most of my activity was extensive. I'll include my opinions and experiences. Yours may vary. I spent roughly 25000 USD on girls in 5 months. This included what was essentially daily fucking of girls ranging from 2200 to 3000 an hour and occasional extras. Right now I have been out of the game for six months and I'm writing this as more of a gesture of goof will than a current FAQ. I would have posted updates but apartment managers and so forth used to send girls multiple times a week and I sometimes wonder if they view these forums.

I essentially spent most of my money on girls from Darlings and Golden Harem. I have very specific tastes and strongly prefer the girls who look 18 to 19.

One thing I noticed is that many of the older girls I settled for would be far better in bed. In fact the young looking girls I preferred rarely impressed. What's ironic though is my best fucks were usually always in the 2200 range.

What I noticed is the apartments weren't super busy and I suspect relied on heavy spenders. Darlings eventually shut down in March and stole money from multiple girls and male associates along with the apartments associated with then.

90% of girls weren't scammers at worst they phoned it in and were boring during sex.

I had one issue where a girl left early stole the managers purse and didn't return them money. She had been trying to lure me to a club all night.

I find its best not to get to know the girls to well. Best I dealt with was a few civilian dates with a fellow artist. Most would try to scam for money claiming its loans.

What I noticed is a lot of the same apartments run multiple ads with multiple phone numbers on Relax Kyiv. Its made jumping back in an annoyance.

I considered trying Dolls or Harem this week but your reviews just steered me away. After a year here I have no interest in flashing cash. I have a nice girlfriend at home and I simply want hot 18 19 year old girls to fuck.

It seems prices went up now most ads list for 3000 to 4500 and the talent isn't anything out of the world. I would happily pay it if these girls looked like Hustler Barely Legal models all day long but most girls are fake tits and mid twenties and lots of makeup.

Honestly despite spending a lot I have always felt there is a hidden untapped viable high end market with good prices under the surface. Most girls last winter only made 1100 of the 2200 an hour per fuck. I had a girl who was a hot college student do 1400 an hour direct eventually regularly.

Not a lot of ways to make money here and the apartments do a shitty job marketing and communicating and the clubs are a scam minefield and girls never approach and hard sell. It just seems like there may be better options than the surface level apartment chains for girls.

If anyone knows feel free to DM me.

Also happy to answer any questions.

I've been with over 20 girls in my first six months here and I still don't feel like I am tapping the true potential of the place maybe I'm just kicking a dead horse.

[Guntherus]

You experience is what is called "anecdotal evidence" which means that you've had a good experience, but it means nothing on the larger scale.

The fact remains that the so called "teahouse scam" is age old and crosses just about every culture. You can go onto any major destination forum on Tripadvisor for example and you'll find a pinned first post warning people of this very tourist dupe. If you make a connection with a girl over some time and there's trust is one thing, to get rinsed straight of the bat is another.

With all due respect, we do not discuss if scammers exist, but if there is only special category of people that we must suspect: taxi drivers, landlords, marriage agencies or whatever. Excort girls. Some people we meet are hardcore survivalists of their business that we have little chance to compete with. Some are nice and helpful. We must know to draw the line when we smell foul play. In the teahouse scam, I ask for the manager, and he (or she) will stop the scam. To be specific, this was in Caribbean Dinner and in Sultan restaurant. And in general: If you don't speak the local language (in any culture), don't go to a non-English speaking venue as a paying customer. And don't let your guest make the order. Slavic girls are not used to.