Kyiv

[NoMarriage]

Hey guys,

New to the game. What happened to mamba? I just signed on and started talking to girls. I am also looking on travel-girls too. Trying to plan a trip from west coast USA because tired of Latin America. Any tips on Ukraine would be great. It seems like Kiev is played out. Can someone list the areas, places, or sites where I can find semi pros working in a blue moon for necessity? I don't like the way rent a cars drive. PM me I am looking for someone to show me around. Like in Medellin I like to pretty girls who are nice.

[SgtBoyle2]

It's been said before but I wanted to add my comments to all those previous posts that have complained about prices and professionalism in Kiev and about how all the best girls are now no longer in Kiev. Having just returned from Ukraine here are some examples of how the girls have become or are in the process of becoming hardcore jet setting escorts with prices to match:

Example 1.

Took a really lovely young lady back to my hotel who was sold to me as not being very experienced in escorting. She was indeed sweet and gentle but as I went down to dine on her why I couldn't help but observe that her arse bore all the signs of a well traveled passage. Talking later she told me that she had not visit Western Europe but had been to Emirates and Dubai! I wonder why?

Example 2.

Got a nice enough girl from Mamba who told me how she had started out in Shooters and was now saving up for a visa.

Example 3.

In a restaurant when I couldn't help but hear an attractive hooker tell her client how she had just got back from Barbados.

Example 4.

Took an attractive lady in her mid twenties out from Buddha Bar who told me that my 5 star hotel was not a patch on the one she had stayed at in Oman.

This is new reality. All the girls now know that the going rate is at least $100 and many of the girls have already sampled the delights of Dubai and expect to be paid accordingly.

In this new reality us old timers are forced back on to our existing contacts. For those newbies I suggest you contact our favorite pimp Andrei to show you the ropes. PM me if you want his details.

Anyone hoping to stumble on a hidden gem in a bar / club these days is delusional.

[YellowPaul]

Thank you for your advice. Table split seems a great idea, though it costs some. Has anybody tried a table split? How much did it cost and where? How were the girls, as compared to the girls whom you could meet otherwise, for example on the bar?

1) Find a wingman preferably that speaks Russian - $250 each is better then $500.

2) Make sure you tell them you want a table near the dance floor to be noticed. Tell the waiter your limit for instance $500 is the minimum amount you have to spend as you can rack up a huge bill if your not careful.

3) You don't have to get a table and hang out near the bar but sometimes they give foreigners a hard time insisting on bottle service. Better to go early since the place is a restaurant too. Dress to impress. Your not getting in with a sweater and running shoes.

4) Tip the security / wait staff good as they can bring over girls if you lack game or don't speak Russian.

5) Most girls here are not "working" per say but great place to get #'s for later and see some of best quality that Kiev has to offer.

6) Order the cheapest sparkling white wine and tell the girls it's "champagne" ... hard to know what a girl will drink but nobody turns down champagne. Avoid girls that don't drink period... I never had a good experience with a girl like that.

7)) For the monger looking for a cheap bang. Avoid most of the clubs.

[Tomas11]

I and this girl made a huge discussion. She says that even if apply here and Qatar grants a visa, Ukraine will not allow her to leave the country. She says that she talked to their embassy, bla bla bla.

This is hard to believe. What do you think?

She then said that she will apply for Qatar visa in Ukraine. I think that she is fooling me.

Yes she is fooling you, don't know the purpose, most likely to pull some cash from you.

[Deer1234]

Chi is the #1 high end disco with some working girls but mostly a regular crowd if you have game. If you can get a wing man $400-$500 min charges for a table split is well spent if you want to see the best that Kiev has to offer.

Thank you for your advice. Table split seems a great idea, though it costs some. Has anybody tried a table split? How much did it cost and where? How were the girls, as compared to the girls whom you could meet otherwise, for example on the bar?

[EnricoMacias]

Dear mongers,

I have a colleague whose GF is a cabin crew in Etihad in Dubai. They met when she was working for Qatar Airways 2 years ago, she worked 1 years for QA then transferred to Etihad . Anyhow, my colleague applied Qatar visa for her Ukrainian GF through an agency in Qatar. Qatar rejected first application, my friend applied again in the same day and Qatar issued a visa. She will come to Qatar 28 December. I asked my colleague. He said that, he filled the forms, all he needed was a photo of her girlfriends passport. (in order to fill the required info) and 200 hundred dollar application fee. The also mentioned that the form was mostly for him as a guarantor / sponsor and there is only 2-3 info required for the GF.

Anyhow, I wanted to follow the same procedure for a girl in Ukraine. I want her to come here for one week or 15 days. I said her that I will follow the same procedure, We should apply even if 99% Qatar supposed to reject. All risk is at my side, 200 dollars I will pay for the application.

I and this girl made a huge discussion. She says that even if apply here and Qatar grants a visa, Ukraine will not allow her to leave the country. She says that she talked to their embassy, bla bla bla.

This is hard to believe. What do you think?

She then said that she will apply for Qatar visa in Ukraine. I think that she is fooling me.

[HugeDickMan]

Where are some regular bars where I can pick up some pros? Where do streetwalkers hang out?

[Jojosun]

One thing I can attest is that my Kiev girl is pretty charming.

Well if she wasn't, you wouldn't have have taken her to the DR, would you??

Cheers.

[Sorbonne]

But as in my post below its up to the Immigration officer if he or she waives the need for a transit visa if one is leaving the next day.

One thing I can attest is that my Kiev girl is pretty charming.

[Raffzahn]

You'll never need a Visa in for Germany if you stay within the international area when changeing in Munich or Frankfurt. These airports feature split field sides for international connections and domestic. Passport checks are only done when changing from international to domestic.

Raffzahn: It's not true. Read my message. You are right if you book the flight on one ticket with one confirmation number. If you book 2 separate tickets she needs a visa. Even if she don't want to leave the transit area. The first airline don't know about the 2nd ticket and another flight and they will check the visa in the passport. No visa = They reject her in Kiev, because they are responsible for her and have to pay a huge penalty + have to bring her back to Kiev if there is any problem with the other flight.

LOL. Could say the same, read my message!

But serious, why did German airports spend so much money in building complete seperate areas, tunnels and gateways for transfer passengers? It's because of German policies regarding transfer passengers. They do not legaly enter the country at all, and border controll does not care about them (unlike in the UK).

So again, there is no legal or practical reason stoping her from changing airlines in Germany, as long as both flights originate / end in non Schengen places. Now, if some airline makes a fuzz, it's not a principal issue. And your obligation as a gentleman to make it happen, for exampel by providing all neccersarry information to your lady (and thus the airline) ahead of time.

H.

[Misterxxx]

You'll never need a Visa in for Germany if you stay within the international area when changeing in Munich or Frankfurt. These airports feature split field sides for international connections and domestic. Passport checks are only done when changing from international to domestic.

Raffzahn: It's not true. Read my message. You are right if you book the flight on one ticket with one confirmation number. If you book 2 separate tickets she needs a visa. Even if she don't want to leave the transit area. The first airline don't know about the 2nd ticket and another flight and they will check the visa in the passport. No visa = They reject her in Kiev, because they are responsible for her and have to pay a huge penalty + have to bring her back to Kiev if there is any problem with the other flight.

[Raffzahn]

You do not need a transit visa if she's flying into FRA airport. She would only need one if she is transiting to more than one EU country (for example, Ukraine-Germany-France-Dominican Republic).

The reason is quite simple, as the flight Germany / France is a domestic (Schengen) flight. To take it she needs to legaly enter Shengen area, which requires a visa. Only direct connections between two flights leading from / to non Schengen countries can be connected without a visa. And only on airports prepared to offer this service. Usually the larger ones, like Frankfurt and Munich.

H.

[Raffzahn]

I agree with Misterxxx on the need of visa when booked with separate tickets but disagree with him on the need of visa for the UK.

My UA girl flew from Kiev through London and Frankfurt to DR all booked on one ticket in 2014.

She did not need a transit visa just to change the airlines within a few hours at Frankfurt.

But she also did not need a transit visa for an overnight stay in London, and they even let her out Heathrow on both ways! She wandered into London and had a blast! She probably had better time in London than in DR with me.

You'll never need a Visa in for Germany if you stay within the international area when changeing in Munich or Frankfurt. These airports feature split field sides for international connections and domestic. Passport checks are only done when changing from international to domestic. In the UK it depends very much on terminal and airline used, but usually you'll have to go thru passport checks. And when traveling on multiple tickets multiple tickets this usually requires a (transfer) visa for citizens of many countries, including UA.

H.

[Jojosun]

Here's the latest regulations which apply to Ukrainians. Check the list for other Nationalities". You should check if you need a visa before you apply. "

https://www.gov.uk/transit-visa

Visa to pass through the UK in transit.

Overview.

You may need a visa to pass through the UK in transit.

To apply for a transit visa you must be:

In transit to another country with enough funds and the intention to travel on.

Able to prove you can enter that country.

Able to show that the only purpose of your visit to the UK is transit.

Not leaving the airport.

Apply for a Direct Airside Transit visa (DATV) if you'll be changing flights in the UK and won't be going through UK border control.

DATVs last for up to 24 hours.

You can't apply for this visa if you need to go through immigration ('cross the border' eg to check in your luggage on to a connecting flight. Apply for a Visitor in Transit visa instead.

Leaving the airport.

Apply for a Visitor in Transit visa if you'll be going through UK border control but leaving the UK within 48 hours.

You can also apply for a long-term Visitor in Transit visa if you can prove you need to frequently pass through the UK over a longer period.

Fees.

Direct Airside Transit visa (DATV) - £32.

Visitor in Transit visa - £59.

But as in my post below its up to the Immigration officer if he or she waives the need for a transit visa if one is leaving the next day.

[Riina]

Sorry, but this is not true if he booked 2-3 seperate tickets (to save money). The first airline will reject the girl in Kiev.

Transit without visa is possible if he booked all flights on one ticket and with one confirmation number (different airlines are possible).

Transit without visa is possible in Frankfurt, but not on all airports in Europe. Ukrainian citizens need a transfer visa for the UK (for example). Even if they don't want to enter the UK.

This is good information. Thanks, appreciate it.