Kyiv

[Poisson1]

Greetings to you all,

Just come across ISG and, wow. This is a gold mine! I have read through these pages with much pleasure and interest. If only I had heard of this site earlier. (sigh)

Great post Insomniaque!

I am not into strip-tease bars, but after your post I'll give it a try.

[Poisson1]

Any thoughts and similar experiences?

I don't have too much time when looking for a girl in mamba. I search quickly and decide quickly. My search strategy is to avoid agencies and look for the student girl working alone. You have to observe the pictures they put in their profile. Look for the amateur type picture taken from cellphone and with hidden face. I found a student that way who was real amateur. I converted her to be my sponsored girl when I go to Kiev. She's a gem: studying sports (swimming), brunette and perfect body and is rimming queen! First time I paid her 100$ for 2hours. Now I bring her small gifts (perfume, cosmetics) and give her 300$ for 1 week when I am in Kiev. From time to time I spoil her with shopping. Next time I promised vacation in Egypt (she never left Ukraine in her life).

[AColonizer]

Cops, still cops. This is a forum about women, not about cops

Your fears about police don't make sense. That's logic mongers meet cops, sooner or later! Police, mongers, prostitutes, pimps are animals on the same food chain.

I usually meet cops and patrols in Kiev, above all at night.

There are the typical (cop) pair in the underpass in Indipendence square and further (cop) pairs in some main streets in Kiev, they make foreigners worried because foreigners don't carry their original passport, but this is not usually a problem, just a "tip" of 100 grivnas is not bad, in my opinion they are an Ukrainian folklore.

Your complaints about a 100 grivnas bribe don't make sense because, for example, I am Italian, and my government cheats me for thousands euros each year, and I can't do anything because Italian people are a nation of sheep, and Italian Parliament members earn much much much (much much much) more than a poor Ukrainian policeman. So I am not sad to help some Ukrainian families with just 100 grivnas. Meanwhile, I remind mongers how many thousands dollars they waste with bad prostitutes!

But now, please, talk about women.

[Mellowtrax]

Greetings to you all,

...

I start with Shooters, as I have read it is a nice place to eat and I am hungry. I am a bit worrying, though: I have already heard about that place, and read many comments on the fact that they don't quite like colours, and I happen to be black (mixed).

I can now say the comments were pretty accurate. Blocking the entrance, a giant motherfucker stares at me with a "don't try me" look. I gather what's left of my courage and try an infinitely polite "May I? " He shooks his nice fucking bastard head. "No, I am sorry. "

I am a bit confused. I am not quite the kind of guy who is usually denied entrance. From what I hear, I am rather good-looking, pretty sexy and I know how to dress if I want to impress, so WTF?

..

Thanks and congratulations if you have read me that far!

Hi Insomniaque,

What a great report. Thanks for taking the time to write it! I'm sorry you had a bad start, but glad it ended the way it did for you

Regarding Shooters. I have never been there myself, but have read enough reports to make my own opinion of the place. Maybe it's a great place if you are lucky enough to get in, but I would never support a place with such racist discrimination policy! Fortunately, there are so many other places in Kiev filled with attractive girls.

Mellow

[Mellowtrax]

I was stop by the police in their Soviet are blue jeep. I was coming back from VK Bar. It was me and my friend. I was walking in Les Ukrinsky blvd around 3:00 AM and they asked for my passport which I didn't have and they took us to a police stations which was really look like a class room. I try to bribe the police but he didn't take my money. He said it is protocol for foreigner to have their passport all the time. Anyhow I call the US embassy and they had someone talk Russian to the police officer and after like 2 hours they let us go. But US embassy was very helpful and they almost sent someone to get us out but by then they police let us go. From now on I take my passport with me everywhere, I know there is risk that I can lose it but it is better then going to police station. But for all you US citizen have the embassy phone # save in your cell phone. It might come handy.

Hi Mojo,

The police also stopped me twice, one time with passport, one time without. Luckily, I had my Ukrainian girl with me the time I didn't bring my passport, and eventually she convinced them to let me go without bribing them. This is one of the main reasons I like to be accompanied by the girls I sponsor. To help me in situations out of my hands.

I don't like to carry my original passport on me either, but I honestly don't know if a photocopy of the passport will be sufficient. Maybe somebody else in here can comment on that?

Being a US or EU citizen definitely is an advantage when mongering in Ukraine. Help from the respectively embassies is fast and effective.

Mellow

[ColonelDecker]

I ask again a question that I have previously asked but got back no answer.

Well, not the answer I expected.

Last time I was in Ukraine.

A police man stopped me, and took me in their office in the metro.

And started asking me question like where are you from? What do you do in Ukraine, blah blah blah.

Then he asked me my passport and paper (what they give in the flight and you have to fill and give them at the airport)

I was surprised, they never did this to me before.

And of course in my country, France, they would never do this like that.

But yeah, I don't dress like ukanian at all.

But my point is, at some point they asked me some paper from the hotel.

Which I did not have because I was staying in an apartment.

They insisted many times, and the thing is we couldn't even communicate clearly.

There were that other dude that started translating, and started telling me I need to give him money because I don't have this paper.

But I denied, and gave nothing.

However, I could very well get in trouble.

So do you know what paper are they talking about?

They even told me I can't stay in an apartment in Ukraine like this, I need to go to a hotel.

Is this true? Well I don't think so, because a lot of people here do the same since we all know apartments are so much better!

Regards

Something similar happened to me in Kiev. I was walking through the underground passage beside Independence Square late at night. I had quite a bit to drink at this point. Two cops came over and asked to see my passport. I didn't have it on me so they told me that I have to go to the station with them. I offered them 100 gryvnas each and they let me go.

I was kicking myself, I knew I was supposed to carry my passport but I was worried I would get drunk and lose it so I left it in the apartment. On previous trips to other countries, mainly Thailand, I have carried around a photocopy but I had never been asked for it so I stopped going to the effort.

It pissed me off a bit, but what the fuck? Corrupt cops are an occupational hazard for an international monger.

[Curlyjoe]

Hi guys,

I've been playing around to try to find the best way to contact the Girls on Mamba who are looking for a sponsor. Should you be direct and say what you are expecting? Should you be friendly and talk to her as a normal girl? Should you be blunt and saying that you are expecting sex and ask for price?

I also realize that this depends on the type of girl and what she is expecting as well. But I'm getting the following results:

- When I'm direct, saying I expect a good time, dinner and sex, I get quoted a price for 2-3 hours, often prohibitive. Some successes, but many flakes.

- When I'm blunt, saying I want sex, I get success with agencies, some girl quote me a price, most don't answer. I would tend to trust more those who quote coldly a price for delivering and not flaking. But just my opinion based on limited encounters.

- When I contact them as a normal girl, lots more answers, but they all try to get money without sex, saying "Well, it depends on the chemistry, etc, etc". In other terms, you talk to them like normal girls, they respond like normal girls: try to get all the cash without committing to anything.

Any thoughts and similar experiences?

[Insomniaque]

greetings to you all,

just come across isg and, wow. this is a gold mine! i have read through these pages with much pleasure and interest. if only i had heard of this site earlier. (sigh)

i was in kiev this week and i wish to share my experience. i assume jedi punters will not find it of any use, but it might help some newbie, who knows?

tuesday

it's 8 pm and i have just made it to my room. i am staying at the rus hotel as usual, as i find it convenient. the rooms are small and rather ugly and sometimes you will freak out at the service, but it is affordable, not too far away from action and of course, girl-friendly. in the evening, you will always find some working girls there, which i like as a safety net in case of an unfruitful hunt. although they are rather low-end. bringing a girl in costs uah100-150 (depending on the security's mood) which is okay.

so it's 8 pm and i am fucked up as i have travelled for about 30 hours: i really can't go hunting tonight. but like it is said: "if mohammed cannot go to the river palace, the river palace must come to mohammed. " so i take my phone and text nika. let me make a little flashback as it's a rather interesting story.

i have met nika at the rp last time i was in kiev. there wasn't a great choice that night; or maybe my buddy and i were simply not quite in the mood? anyway, we couldn't make up our mind. fuck. and then i was approached by this girl whom at first sight, and to be perfectly honest, i found rather ugly. "do you want to go with me? ", she said. "look, my friend and i are going to stay here for a while, have a few drinks, etc. so, well, maybe later. " thinking to myself: surely i will find better in the meantime. "okay, she replied, i'll be waiting for you."

but no, i was not finding better. and a couple of hours later, nika was getting back: "look, i am tired, so either we leave now, or i am off. " what to do? it was getting very late, i was tired, and there was even less choice than when we had arrived. the options: a) i picked her up; b) no chick tonight. but i was leaving kiev the next day in the morning, so (b) was actually not an option. "okay, let's go. "

much to my surprise, this turned out to be great. great social time, to begin with: we started talking about music, and before i knew it, we were dancing in my room! i was disappointed anew when i saw her naked; really, she wasn't my cup of tea. but we got on with it and, geez. pretty incredible dfk! our teeth were knocking together, as if she wanted to eat me. afterwards i had the best blowjob of my life. she was staring at me and there was that glow in her eyes, innocent and pervert at the same time, wtf! then she rode me and again, dfk, dfk, dfk. a genuine gfe. before that, i did not figure it was possible to experiment such passion and intimacy with a girl you have to pay. i have to say it really freaked me out for a while and getting back to reality was pretty difficult. not only what had happened with this girl was strangely. should i say dangerously?. close to what i had felt, so far, with nobody but my wife; but among all the wg i've had, it was precisely the one i wanted less in the first place with whom i had the greatest time; actually i am still pondering over that. has anyone of you fellows experienced something similar?

now back to present time. i text my dear nika. reply: "i am in yalta, i am so sorry! " so am i! okay, let's move on to plan b: tanya. another rp girl, much more attractive, much less passionate. nothing spectacular. except the reverse cowgirl which is pretty fantastic. and she is available. fine.

she will be there around 10: 30. i have a pizza and, since i still have some time to kill, i decide to check out the strip in the president hotel which is just the next building. after all, it's only 50m away and i have never been there, so why not?

my, what a place. it's gloomy and there are only 5 girls dancing. if one can still call it dance. and they are ugly. i mean, really. the most attractive one doesn't reach a 6/10. christ. but i already have my drink, and i have nothing better to do anyway, so i stay to enjoy the show. so to speak. and i tip the girls, not because i actually enjoy anything, but because. i hate to say that. i pity them. then i have a little chat with the barmaid. she is more attractive than the strippers. i finish my vodka-apple and i get the fuck out.

tanya's now there. we go to my room, have a drink and start chatting. this is how i hear the breaking news. "oh, by the way, do you know the rp was closed? " what? what?! we are not yet in 2012 but the world is collapsing already. "and where are the girls going? tell me! " she mentions avalon, the caribbean and the arena. so the girls rep001tered and there is no one-stop place any more. so it's a real catastrophe!

although truly despaired, i find the strength to take care of tanya and we have a good time. much better than the first time. she ends up screaming "the! the! " instead of the way too frequent "yes! oh my god! " i like to believe that making a girl scream in her native language is a good sign that you are proving effective.

wednesday

time to address the rp issue seriously: i do need to find a consistent alternative. for my own sake, first of all: i always come to kiev on business trips: put simply, day=work, night=fuck. plus i always come for no longer than 3-4 days. the mamba. ru kind of stuff is both time and energy-consuming and i have neither of them. so for me the rp is (or rather used to be!) the ideal solution.

what's worse, i am coming back in september with some clients who are real dogs; they have long heard about ukrainian girls but haven't been to ukraine yet, and i know they are relying on me. you got the picture: i am in trouble.

so, where to begin? during my previous stay, i tried the marylin strip (in talgen's basement, at the beginning of chervonoarmiska st.); the girls were nice, they danced extremely well and it was hot (the girls ended up naked and rubbed against you even in the public dances). and the manager told us we could also have sex with the strippers, which unfortunately i did not check at that time, as we were to meet some friends at the rp. so the marylin is the place to start.

when i arrive, the door is closed. there is a sheet on the door, which obviously i cannot read, and the 1st floor seems under construction. fucking superb.

where to go next? i know there is another strip ("penthouse") just down the street; why not go and have a look?

i ring, wait for a minute, then i am opened by a dwarf dressed like a groom. my, this is so fucking weird. we take an elevator to go down, and i find myself in a quite unfriendly place. some girls sitting, they look really bored and astonishingly unfriendly. glancing at me as if i was plague-ridden. great. but i will have a drink, nevertheless: let's see what's coming on stage (i can be unconscionably optimistic sometimes).

i should have known. the same unfriendly, unwilling girls. one of them comes closer and starts rubbing, though; but it's so damn clear it's my cash she's after and nothing else. naturally, i tip her (i am so weak). "what do you want? " she then asks. i am a bit surprised. "well, i don't know, what do you have to offer? " and then: "you want sex? " kind of straightforward, uhh? "what would be your price? " i ask this just for my reference, i am not at all interested, i don't like ugly bitches who put on airs. "2500 grivnas. " seriously?! and then i suddenly hear that little voice inside my head: "gtfo! "

so far, so good. there's no reason why i should not keep up with chervonoarmiska st., is there? hence the next station: the mint rhinoceros.

one of my ukrainian clients once told me that this was the best strip in all kiev. now that i am in the place, i can see what he meant. this truly is the high-end; never seen so many 10/10 in such a small place. and this is what i call lap-dancing! what a show!

on top of that, there is a friendly atmosphere, all the girls are smiling. am i in paradise? not quite, as it turns out. because of this tiny little issue: no take-out.

the doorman had already warned me, but i did not care to listen. surely, there must be a way? so when i am approached by one of those wonderful cuties, i ask the question again. "what if i want to have sex with you? " she then explains that none of the girls here will have sex with any client, as their contract clearly states that they will be fired if they do so.come on, i can pass on my room number under the table? but she won't dare take it, the security is quite watchful. my, is that conceivable?

afterwards, i have a private dance with her. we go to a private room and i have my nice show. but when she rubs her nice round ass against my pants, i really can't believe this is going to end here. so i insist, but the answer is still "no. " so the girls tease you to death but you can't have them. what a fucking concept. the most frustrating experience ever.

or maybe have i backed the wrong horse? this girl was new, she had a boyfriend, etc., etc. maybe this contract story is nothing but crap. she just did not want to go with me. anybody to testify? if anyone has taken one of these girls out, i would be much interested to know.

when i get out of the mint rhinoceros, i am kind of fed up with strips. i find a cab and go to the arena. tanya has mentioned it, so i am sure to find something there.

and, guess what? the nightclub is closed. until september 15th. now i really start to believe god hates me. fortunately, in the arena, there is not only a nightclub, there is also. a strip! bingo!

what to say about this one? not much choice, quality is average at best and the show is good, but not impressive. all in all it's not particularly bad, but there's nothing to remember either. one thing worth noticing, though: prices for private sessions are fucking ridiculous. ranging from uah400 for a standard show (i. e. twice as much as in any other club) to uah4000 for what they call the vip room, sex not included.

i can't believe things have turned so wrong tonight, and i don't feel like trying out another venue, so i stay in the place. what a tosser. eventually i ask one of the girls if i can take her home, despite i don't really like her and i sense this is going to be a waste of time and money. but the girl denies the offer. for which i should be grateful, i think. and i get back to the hotel. it's quite late, i have spent a lot of cash for peanuts, and i am aggravated.

thursday

by browsing the web, i have come across isg. let's c. shooters seems worth checking. and the rio strip. as well as avalon and the caribbean, which tanya had already mentioned.

i start with shooters, as i have read it is a nice place to eat and i am hungry. i am a bit worrying, though: i have already heard about that place, and read many comments on the fact that they don't quite like colours, and i happen to be black (mixed).

i can now say the comments were pretty accurate. blocking the entrance, a giant motherfucker stares at me with a "don't try me" look. i gather what's left of my courage and try an infinitely polite "may i? " he shooks his nice fucking bastard head. "no, i am sorry. "

i am a bit confused. i am not quite the kind of guy who is usually denied entrance. from what i hear, i am rather good-looking, pretty sexy and i know how to dress if i want to impress, so wtf?

but here's the best part. the girl with whom i will end the night (see below) will later tell me that she also has been denied entrance. and you should see the fucking girl! that a black can't come in because that's the policy, fine. but that a pretty young ukrainian thing with magnificent blue eyes and an ass to die for can't come in either. what is wrong with you people?

anyway. i take a cab. "where do you want to go?.where there are girls. i heard about the caribbean, let's go..the caribbean, that's no good place; avalon is better. " well, that was also on my list. "okay, bring me to the avalon, then. "

after shooters, avalon is an exquisite relief. everybody (the security, the front desk, the waiters) is polite, friendly and willing to please. the place is nice and the food is good. and more importantly for my purpose, i notice a couple of old faces: the salvation army has indeed moved there, at least partly.

i have a steak in the lounge, and then go upstairs to check what is going on. we are on thursday and men are not allowed into the disco until midnight. no problem, the rio is 100m away; i'll be back later.

this is where the real fun begins.

apart from the reception girl who's really bad-tempered, rio looks all right. pascha (the manager?) kindly answers my questions. "what if i really like a girl and want to take her to my hotel? is that possible? " he smiles oddly. "well, everything is possible. " i think i love that guy.

so i order my vodka-apple and take a seat. i am bit disappointed at first. the girls are less beautiful than in the mint rhinoceros, and there is something lazy in the way they dance. however, as the night goes on and the chicks follow one another on stage, i realize some of them are, indeed, pretty attractive!

then arrives a blond-haired, blue-eyed beauty. mmmh, very sexy. fantastic body! her legs and her ass. simply her ass is unbelievable. normally, i am not too keen on blondes as i find that, statistically, they are less interesting than brunettes when it comes to sex; they lack sensuality and i am fed up with the cold beauty thing. but holy shit, what a fucking ass! also, i really like the way she dances: kind of slow, maybe not enough provocative but more sensual than the others. i just can't take my eyes off her.

the girl notices, so when she's finished she comes to my table. "hello. how are you? " i am surprised by her deep, low voice. very nice. "would you like a private dance? " well, that sounds like a brilliant idea!

let me tell you guys, this was astronomical. much much much (much!) more thrilling than at the mint rhinoceros. i didn't expect it to be so hot and before long, i am awfully lacking space in my pants. i instantly forget my plan to return to avalon. this has to be her, no way around.

i offer erica (that's her name) a drink. we go to my table and talk for a while. she is indeed very nice, although not yet sure if she will go with me. "you know, this was just a private dance. " she says as an excuse. "it's going a bit fast, i don't know you. " wtf? so we keep on talking and i try to be as persuasive as i can. it's a good social time, i make her laugh a couple of times and she finally accepts. but it's $300, non negotiable. expensive, $100 more than the rp chicks; but given the private dance, i am quite ready to pay.

when we arrive in my room, i am a bit afraid as she seems to play the watch. smoking, drinking, smoking, etc. very bad sign. but we eventually get started and. it's terrific. dfk are so nice and sensual. exactly what i hoped when i was staring at her on stage! i really loved to have sex with that girl. starting very softly, then harder and harder. i do hate the "bang-bang-bang right from the start" style. we had sex only once, for a long time and it was the best orgasm i have ever had with a working girl. doggystyle was beyond imagination.

my conclusion: a stripper costs you more than a standard wg, but when she fucks you, you can tell the difference. (if you choose well, that is.) plus a private dance as an appetizer, that's quite a thrill.

thanks and congratulations if you have read me that far!

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[Happymojo]

As a foreigner in Ukraine you are obligated on request to show your passport and paper from the flight to the police, so this is legit. If you don't have it on you, they are entitled to bring you to the police station and withhold you there.

In your situation they were clearly trying to extort you. You are only obligated to show your passport and the paper from the flight. Where you stay while you are in Ukraine is none of their business.

However, it's a good thing also to bring a receipt, documenting where you are staying, with you. Most apartment agencies give you a receipt for your payment. You can also ask for a receipt from private landlords. You automatically get a receipt from hotels, at least decent hotels.

Next time a cop is trying to extort you, ask for his identification and write down his name, service number, time and place. If he resist (also if he gives you the information voluntarily, which he most likely doesn't), then insist on calling your embassy. Many European countries, including France, have a 24/7 hotline.

Mellow

I was stop by the police in their Soviet are blue jeep. I was coming back from VK Bar. It was me and my friend. I was walking in Les Ukrinsky blvd around 3:00 AM and they asked for my passport which I didn't have and they took us to a police stations which was really look like a class room. I try to bribe the police but he didn't take my money. He said it is protocol for foreigner to have their passport all the time. Anyhow I call the US embassy and they had someone talk Russian to the police officer and after like 2 hours they let us go. But US embassy was very helpful and they almost sent someone to get us out but by then they police let us go. From now on I take my passport with me everywhere, I know there is risk that I can lose it but it is better then going to police station. But for all you US citizen have the embassy phone # save in your cell phone. It might come handy.

[AColonizer]

About D'Lux and Patipa and Rio and Arena, which are prices and services?

Which are the best brothels in Kiev?

Which are the indipendent prostitutes on duty now?

[Jojosun]

t's a new club opened last year over several floors beside the Dynamo stadium. High class, 200 hrivna entry. Same WGs as Avalon but they wear a more superior attitude here.

So they are charging 100hriva more than RP,and the girls wear a more superior attiude.

I wonder how much they will be asking?

[TheKnight]

What is D'lux at Dinamo stadium?

A new supposedly elite "Disco Club". Go on the road up the hill past the stadium....D-Lux is on the right. Ironically if you got a cab from Kreschatyk to RP in the 6 months before it closed, you would have gone right past the club!

I'll check it out soon. I know there was quite strict face control when it opened, but that may have eased now it's been open a while.

[Norwegianguy]

What is D'lux at Dinamo stadium?

http://www.dlux.com.ua/

Quite upscale club located in the Dinamo kiev stadium complex. Close to Patipa. 10 min walk from Maydan. Consept and people U find there is quite similar to Barsky. Was very popular this spring, when it opened after restoration. Not sure now.
Vodka bar was absolutely packed in a sunday night. Looks like this is the place to be if u looking a lively spot in a sunday,monday or tuesday.

Not sure how many RP divas there, but party was good. And very easy find. If you can find the high statue monument on maydan, u will find the bar. Under the statue. Entrance on right side of statue when u looking towards hotel ukraine.

NG

[Mellowtrax]

What is D'lux at Dinamo stadium?

It's a new high end night club, opened about 3 months ago.

http://www.dlux.com.ua/

[Mellowtrax]

Last time I was in Ukraine. A police man stopped me, and took me in their office in the metro.

Then he asked me my passport and paper (what they give in the flight and you have to fill and give them at the airport)

I was surprised, they never did this to me before.

As a foreigner in Ukraine you are obligated on request to show your passport and paper from the flight to the police, so this is legit. If you don't have it on you, they are entitled to bring you to the police station and withhold you there.

But my point is, at some point they asked me some paper from the hotel.

Which I did not have because I was staying in an apartment.

They insisted many times, and the thing is we couldn't even communicate clearly.

There were that other dude that started translating, and started telling me I need to give him money because I don't have this paper.

But I denied, and gave nothing.

However, I could very well get in trouble.

So do you know what paper are they talking about?

They even told me I can't stay in an apartment in Ukraine like this, I need to go to a hotel.

Is this true? Well I don't think so, because a lot of people here do the same since we all know apartments are so much better!

In your situation they were clearly trying to extort you. You are only obligated to show your passport and the paper from the flight. Where you stay while you are in Ukraine is none of their business.

However, it's a good thing also to bring a receipt, documenting where you are staying, with you. Most apartment agencies give you a receipt for your payment. You can also ask for a receipt from private landlords. You automatically get a receipt from hotels, at least decent hotels.

Next time a cop is trying to extort you, ask for his identification and write down his name, service number, time and place. If he resist (also if he gives you the information voluntarily, which he most likely doesn't), then insist on calling your embassy. Many European countries, including France, have a 24/7 hotline.

Mellow