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What was the name of that gentleman from Toronto, visiting Kiev frequently in the past? He is the one, who sampled GIA extensively and reported in the most structured manner.

He also had a solid post on his successful mamba methodology around 2018. Please find that.

Found him. Jymondor. Read through his posts. He is awesome!

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Just my limited experience recently and in years past. Most Mamba girls like to sign up for 2-3 hours instead of an hour. Or maybe that is just me. I guess it is a way to increase income while reducing risk. Unless she is working for an agency, a solo girl has no "protection" from bad people so every meeting is more of a risk. A web / apartment girl has an infrastructure that protects her to a certain extent. She churns through hourly meetings. She pays at least 50% of her normal fee for that infrastructure, but it is better than being chopped up into little pieces or any of the other ways a guy can hurt a working girl.

Don't mention compensation unless she brings it up. She has already said she would meet you. The next step is usually moving to some kind of messenger app. If she is a working girl, she will absolutely bring up payment

Correct. Get her phone number or Instagram for reliable connection, and move away from Mamba.

I never initiate the payment discussion myself. The girl will brings it up. Or it'll be a freebie.

After getting the direct messenger contact outside of mamba, the next immediate step is to set up a meet in person. And with Kiev girls even one day away is too much. They live in the present. Therefore hunting better be done no sooner than 3 weeks in advance. The moment the girl realizes you are not in Kiev, she most likely will lose her interest. Sending her your money in advance is stupid. She'll keep squeeze milking you until dry.

The only more reliable approach is chatting with the girl you already met IRL through Tinder or Mamba or straight agency hourly service.

So: Do not bring up the money subject in convo, definitely not in the form "How much should I pay you per hour". Kiev girls prefer not to think of themselves as prostitutes. She'll bring the subject herself, either in chat, or when you meet her. With me frequently it happens even after the actual intercourse. Or I simply give the money. Not a single one refused.

Again, you have 2 major business objectives: get her number, then setup the meet. Then speed screening, casting at the nearby cafe. Then fuck them all. I mean those that you mutually agree with.

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Look in "reports of distinction" there is a guide for mamba posted by liljoey if I remember correctly. A bit outdated since it's a few years old. But gives some timeless advice on how to approach on mamba. One of the first rules is never mention money first.

What was the name of that gentleman from Toronto, visiting Kiev frequently in the past? He is the one, who sampled GIA extensively and reported in the most structured manner.

He also had a solid post on his successful mamba methodology around 2018. Please find that.

[Ringudor]

I agree with yummypl, better lets the girl talk when she feels comfortable, I just used mamba once for pick up a girl, it was in 2015, she was 24, Irina, university student, my plan was go out with her and then go apartment, but she felt uncomfortable talking with me in a puc, then I decided go home earlier than planned, she did one of best BBBJ I remember and once finished she felt slept in my shoulder, a real GFE.

A year later I met her again, and again she came home, but behaviour much worse, she was in a hurry to make fast money, not GFE now, also she was 10 kg more fat, disappointing, didn't call her for third time.

[Desin]

Just my limited experience recently and in years past.

Yup, seems like it that it's way too early for Mamba-girls.

Hmm, that price is good to know. 2 to 3 hours is too long for me, I only to this with one of my regulars with whom we go to eat and have a discussions with in between the fucking. An ideal would be a one hour at day time and half an hour in the evening. So I have to find like 2 to 3 girls minimum to have some alteration and probably offer something like 1500-2000 UAH per visit. And try to make them think it's fine since they could meet me several times, and after the first meeting it's safe and sound to come again.

What is the most direct, but still non-moderated way, to let people know in your profile text that you are searching for such company in Mamba and Tinder?

[YummyPL]

I made a Mamba account and contacted a superbly hot girl. She had "high income" in her profile, which I thought to be a clear indication. Asked if she'd be interested to meet in late November. She said yes. I asked what kind of a 'gift' would she like to have for each time she'd visit me for an hour. (I'm starting to realize my view on women has been completely fucked up, since I'm so used to be so direct about the sex-for-money transaction!

Just my limited experience recently and in years past. Most Mamba girls like to sign up for 2-3 hours instead of an hour. Or maybe that is just me. I guess it is a way to increase income while reducing risk. Unless she is working for an agency, a solo girl has no "protection" from bad people so every meeting is more of a risk. A web / apartment girl has an infrastructure that protects her to a certain extent. She churns through hourly meetings. She pays at least 50% of her normal fee for that infrastructure, but it is better than being chopped up into little pieces or any of the other ways a guy can hurt a working girl.

Don't mention compensation unless she brings it up. She has already said she would meet you. The next step is usually moving to some kind of messenger app. If she is a working girl, she will absolutely bring up payment. More often than not it will be after you move to a messenger for whatever reason. She might put it on you and ask you what you are comfortable with. If it is close but too low she will make a counter-offer. If it is way to low then she will block you. When discussing compensation, ask if her pictures are real. Most aren't but insist on getting pictures. Make it clear that if either the girl in the pictures or someone you think is more attractive is not who shows up that you will send them home with nothing. Also, you are not going to get a $50 girl on Mamba unless she thinks you are hot which is doubtful. I can imagine offering 3,000 for 2-3 hours but not much less than that, again, unless you are hot. That is a little less than $120 USD. Again, you must remember she needs to be compensated for risk of time and safety.

Lastly, there is almost no point in chatting now for meetings in late November. It is a waste of time. I wouldn't start any further away than three weeks out. November is a lifetime away to these girls and the likelihood the profile of a working girl still being there three months from now is almost non-existent. There are sites it can work but Mamba really isn't one of them.

Just my thoughts and others may disagree.

[Member #4722]

Okay, I'm starting to learn what you have tried to tell me about Ukrainian girls.

Progress is slow, thou.

I made a Mamba account and contacted a superbly hot girl. She had "high income" in her profile, which I thought to be a clear indication. Asked if she'd be interested to meet in late November. She said yes. I asked what kind of a 'gift' would she like to have for each time she'd visit me for an hour. (I'm starting to realize my view on women has been completely fucked up, since I'm so used to be so direct about the sex-for-money transaction!

She blocked me.

So. From now on, I won't bring up the money. Right? I'll wait for the girl to do it. And like I was told, I should be acting like a regular guy. And let them to try to get to my money, right? Although I don't see any point to appear so naive as I wouldn't know what's it all about. Hmm. Tricky. I have to admit, this is part of the fun. Learning the ropes.

Look in "reports of distinction" there is a guide for mamba posted by liljoey if I remember correctly. A bit outdated since it's a few years old. But gives some timeless advice on how to approach on mamba. One of the first rules is never mention money first.

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Or more likely the site just uses fake photos of girls to lure men into the site, like so many others do. It's just that nowadays they also go into other social networks to lure men out. Virtual world is so fake.

If they are overweight, why don't they just say "fat"?

No more politically correct.

[Desin]

Okay, I'm starting to learn what you have tried to tell me about Ukrainian girls.

Progress is slow, thou.

I made a Mamba account and contacted a superbly hot girl. She had "high income" in her profile, which I thought to be a clear indication. Asked if she'd be interested to meet in late November. She said yes. I asked what kind of a 'gift' would she like to have for each time she'd visit me for an hour. (I'm starting to realize my view on women has been completely fucked up, since I'm so used to be so direct about the sex-for-money transaction!

She blocked me.

So. From now on, I won't bring up the money. Right? I'll wait for the girl to do it. And like I was told, I should be acting like a regular guy. And let them to try to get to my money, right? Although I don't see any point to appear so naive as I wouldn't know what's it all about. Hmm. Tricky. I have to admit, this is part of the fun. Learning the ropes.

[Sorbonne]

I'm not sure if this topic has come up before, but does anybody have experience with a dating site called "Multilingual Social Network"? I just came across with it today, and it seems like most users are Russian or Ukrainians.

At first sight it may not look like a dating site, but it is actually to be a dating site.

In my attempt to communicate with a young and beautiful girl I matched with on Tinder I followed her instruction, which led me through Instagram to this site.

Perhaps the girl works for the site and is trying to lure people to the site. I'm getting suspicious because why would I match with such a young / beautiful girl?

Or more likely the site just uses fake photos of girls to lure men into the site, like so many others do. It's just that nowadays they also go into other social networks to lure men out. Virtual world is so fake.

If they are overweight, why don't they just say "fat"?

[Sorbonne]

I'm not sure if this topic has come up before, but does anybody have experience with a dating site called "Multilingual Social Network"? I just came across with it today, and it seems like most users are Russian or Ukrainians.

At first sight it may not look like a dating site, but it is actually to be a dating site.

In my attempt to communicate with a young and beautiful girl I matched with on Tinder I followed her instruction, which led me through Instagram to this site.

Perhaps the girl works for the site and is trying to lure people to the site. I'm getting suspicious because why would I match with such a young / beautiful girl?

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So I was talking to this girl on WhatsApp that had described her body as "athletic" on SA. I don't like that option but there are some seriously hot girls that choose that over saying they are "thin."

In any case, I asked for more pictures on WhatsApp and she sent some. I really wanted to respond to her saying "Athletic? Are you preparing to be a sumo wrestler?" I mean WTF is someone who is about 30-40 kilos overweight doing saying their body is "athletic"?

In US the keywords are "curvy" or "fool-bodied".

40 kg over? Not pounds, kilos, right? That is serious athleticism, - must be pure muscle.

[YummyPL]

So I was talking to this girl on WhatsApp that had described her body as "athletic" on SA. I don't like that option but there are some seriously hot girls that choose that over saying they are "thin."

In any case, I asked for more pictures on WhatsApp and she sent some. I really wanted to respond to her saying "Athletic? Are you preparing to be a sumo wrestler?" I mean WTF is someone who is about 30-40 kilos overweight doing saying their body is "athletic"?

[Desin]

Since then I visited St. Petersburg and Moscow a few times. I really liked it there, since it is so much easier to find girls. In Moscow, for example, there is a reliable website with review function and in St. Petersberg there are awesome salon chains, where you can check the current roster online. To my knowledge, nothing of the sort exists in Kyiv.

St. Petersburg is an interest of mine as well, but that'll be in the next year. Hopefully some student girls, since they are my favourites.

So in the last few days I have been preparing by gaining contacts on Badoo and Mamba. On Badoo I matched with a lot of women. But I am really not sure how they would react to P2P offers. They all seem so normal. With some of them I write daily. On Mamba it is more obvious. There are profiles with certainly fake photos. I guess these are salon or agency profiles. Haven't contacted one yet. I don't think it makes sense to do it now, since I am not in town. However, I wrote to some girls, who seem to be semi-professional or regular girls. Didn't get any responses yet. Maybe I am missing a certain catchphrase. Anyhow, I am trying to prepare more in the next three weeks. Hopefully it will be a nice trip.

I'd be interest to hear how these relationships start to develop! Especially about the details such as which one of you brought up the money, or was there some obvious hints, and stuff like that. And of course the prices the girls will offer themselves for.

Also, I'm curious about your profile in Badoo. I understand if you don't wish to give out details, but since you say you got a lot of matches, there's a few essential questions: how many photos did you upload and are they Good? Are you a well-dressed man, stylish, or just regular guy? And did you wrote about your interests and stuff in the profile text, like you would if you were looking for regular company. And if not, then what did you write on it? I suppose the correct choice would be "I'm looking for dates" in this regard in Badoo?

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What is the website? And please name a couple of the good salon chains in St. Pete. Thanks.

Sorry, Gentlemen. Does glorification of undoubtedly superior Russian salons really belong in any of the Ukrainian threads on this Forum? Please forgive my undeserved attempt at censorship, but we've been polluted here enough already.