Kyiv

[Lucky Nuts]

In Moscow, for example, there is a reliable website with review function and in St. Petersberg there are awesome salon chains, where you can check the current roster online.

What is the website? And please name a couple of the good salon chains in St. Pete. Thanks.

[Mike963]

Hello Donkey power,

How much did you pay for the pvt dance in Rio.

Cheers.

Mike.

I have been lurking in this forum for quite a while. The reports some of you guys posted motivated me to try it out and go to Ukraine at Christmas time for two weeks. It was my first mongering experience and I also suck with women. Some people would call me a typical German work-cyborg engineer. I am in my early thirties and good looking. Also, I am very muscular and tall. Like I said: a cyborg.

Before the trip I installed Tinder and Badoo and got a lot of matches. It was amazing for me, since here in Germany all I could get was like 10 matches in the first week and then nothing. Anyways this affirmed my intention. So I booked a flight to Kiev and planned to stay in L'viv for 4 days and then go to Kiev for the remaining days. Since I was born in Russia I know basic Russian, which I wanted to improve upon.

The next day I took the train to Kiev. I must say, the fast trains are really nice and very affordable. During the journey I searched for ways to somehow safe my trip. Some members here recommended mamba. So I tried it and started writing to some girls. Another recommendation was Rio. I was determined to go there. On the first two day however I just did sightseeing and ate at fancy restaurants. Almost every time I was completely alone. Here and there some shady mafia guys. But the waitresses were extremely hot and nice. Too bad I have the confidence of a teenage boy when it comes to women..

[Bill1963]

Two years ago, in December, I visited Kyiv and Lviv for the first time. I had a pretty good time there, went to Rio and other strip clubs and had luck with a Mamba girl. If anyone is interested, I wrote a report.

Since then I visited St. Petersburg and Moscow a few times. I really liked it there, since it is so much easier to find girls. In Moscow, for example, there is a reliable website with review function and in St. Petersberg there are awesome salon chains, where you can check the current roster online. To my knowledge, nothing of the sort exists in Kyiv. Nonetheless, I decided to try my luck again in September. Firstly, because of the awesome reports of fellow members here and secondly because Russian borders are closed tightly.

So in the last few days I have been preparing by gaining contacts on Badoo and Mamba. On Badoo I matched with a lot of women. But I am really not sure how they would react to P2P offers. They all seem so normal. With some of them I write daily. On Mamba it is more obvious. There are profiles with certainly fake photos. I guess these are salon or agency profiles. Haven't contacted one yet. I don't think it makes sense to do it now, since I am not in town. However, I wrote to some girls, who seem to be semi-professional or regular girls. Didn't get any responses yet. Maybe I am missing a certain catchphrase. Anyhow, I am trying to prepare more in the next three weeks. Hopefully it will be a nice trip.

I am curious if Moscow and st Petersburg are so much better.

Why are you still visiting Kiev?

[PhotoSlider]

I see that some brave souls went ahead with their visit to Kiev. Also thanks for the amazing reports. Very useful.

I postponed my trip to October as I see a lot of chaotic news (reading news daily makes it look even worse than it is).

Postponing flight and apartment was just few clicks without any charges.

Before considering to postpone I just bought membership in Mamba and few phone numbers. Stay safe and have fun.

Monday, August 17th quarantine rules are tightened in Kiev by the government due to worsening statistics. I expect it getting worse in October-November when the flu season arrives.

At the same time today, I am in communication with 3 persons currently in Kiev and having great time. Wish I could join. I will probably wait till May 2021 or so.

[PhotoSlider]

I think that should be "Students may not, as they barely have money for the latest model of iPhone, food, and rent" because clearly the iPhone is a higher priority than rent.

IPhone is the only priority. Less sophisticated girls will explain in vivid colors how much they want you to buy one for her, and that life is impossible without it. Smart ones will silently demonstrated how much they suffer, and there's no money for food and rent, and then will use the money mongers gives them to buy that coveted object of ultimate desire. If funds are insufficient, they will buy it for credit. And then they will be forced to post advertisements on mamba, and tinder and fall into the arms of mongers. Self-imposed dire circumstances beneficial for hobbyists. Such is the essence of this particular sector of Ukrainian economy.

[DramaFree11]

Two years ago, in December, I visited Kyiv and Lviv for the first time. I had a pretty good time there, went to Rio and other strip clubs and had luck with a Mamba girl. If anyone is interested, I wrote a report.

Since then I visited St. Petersburg and Moscow a few times. I really liked it there, since it is so much easier to find girls. In Moscow, for example, there is a reliable website with review function and in St. Petersberg there are awesome salon chains, where you can check the current roster online. To my knowledge, nothing of the sort exists in Kyiv. Nonetheless, I decided to try my luck again in September. Firstly, because of the awesome reports of fellow members here and secondly because Russian borders are closed tightly.

So in the last few days I have been preparing by gaining contacts on Badoo and Mamba. On Badoo I matched with a lot of women. But I am really not sure how they would react to P2P offers. They all seem so normal. With some of them I write daily. On Mamba it is more obvious. There are profiles with certainly fake photos. I guess these are salon or agency profiles. Haven't contacted one yet. I don't think it makes sense to do it now, since I am not in town. However, I wrote to some girls, who seem to be semi-professional or regular girls. Didn't get any responses yet. Maybe I am missing a certain catchphrase. Anyhow, I am trying to prepare more in the next three weeks. Hopefully it will be a nice trip.

Great report, I am looking forward to your reports and the comparison of the 2 countries. I loved Kiev 10 years ago, 4 years ago I start going to Russia again and it was just amazing. Zero comparison for me, have a great trip.

[Sorbonne]

Somehow I didn't think you would be) If you are ever interested in getting together for a beer, let me know.

I sent you a PM but am not sure it went through. It doesn't show in my Sent Box.

I just asked in my message how long you will be in Kiev.

[NorskKing]

I see that some brave souls went ahead with their visit to Kiev. Also thanks for the amazing reports. Very useful.

I postponed my trip to October as I see a lot of chaotic news (reading news daily makes it look even worse than it is).

Postponing flight and apartment was just few clicks without any charges.

Before considering to postpone I just bought membership in Mamba and few phone numbers. Stay safe and have fun.

[DonkeyPower]

Two years ago, in December, I visited Kyiv and Lviv for the first time. I had a pretty good time there, went to Rio and other strip clubs and had luck with a Mamba girl. If anyone is interested, I wrote a report.

Since then I visited St. Petersburg and Moscow a few times. I really liked it there, since it is so much easier to find girls. In Moscow, for example, there is a reliable website with review function and in St. Petersberg there are awesome salon chains, where you can check the current roster online. To my knowledge, nothing of the sort exists in Kyiv. Nonetheless, I decided to try my luck again in September. Firstly, because of the awesome reports of fellow members here and secondly because Russian borders are closed tightly.

So in the last few days I have been preparing by gaining contacts on Badoo and Mamba. On Badoo I matched with a lot of women. But I am really not sure how they would react to P2P offers. They all seem so normal. With some of them I write daily. On Mamba it is more obvious. There are profiles with certainly fake photos. I guess these are salon or agency profiles. Haven't contacted one yet. I don't think it makes sense to do it now, since I am not in town. However, I wrote to some girls, who seem to be semi-professional or regular girls. Didn't get any responses yet. Maybe I am missing a certain catchphrase. Anyhow, I am trying to prepare more in the next three weeks. Hopefully it will be a nice trip.

[YummyPL]

Professionals will always have their own. Students may not, as they barely have money for food, rent and the latest model of iPhone.

I think that should be "Students may not, as they barely have money for the latest model of iPhone, food, and rent" because clearly the iPhone is a higher priority than rent.

[PhotoSlider]

Just curious about other people's experience. I always have my own condoms. I strongly prefer a particular type. I brought 120 with me and have my bedside drawer full of them. Is it normal for a girl to show up without condoms in Ukraine?

I do the same, buy bulk my favorite brand before the flight to Kiev, and keep in the bedside drawer. My regulars know the drill, and rely on mine. Some new girls may call from the cab on the way in to confirm:

- Do you have them, or should I stop by the pharmacy?

They frequently use euphemism "it" or "them".

Do website / apartment girls have their own condoms? How about mamba girls?

Hourly agency girls have their own per policy, and surely appreciate when I use mine, as it is overhead expense, even when their employer covers it.

Back in 2008 I picked up a girl at River Palace and brought her to my place downtown. We had a good conversation, then started kissing, I pulled her towards the bed, and she asked:

- Are you sure?

- Yes I am.

Then I explained that at first I wasn't going to take anybody. Which was partially true. She smiled, and said:

- The same with me. I've been passing by and stopped by for a minute to take a look.

That's when she opened her purse and pulled out a pack of strawberry scented condoms called "Romance".

Professionals will always have their own. Students may not, as they barely have money for food, rent and the latest model of iPhone.

[YummyPL]

Just curious about other people's experience. I always have my own condoms. I strongly prefer a particular type. I brought 120 with me and have my bedside drawer full of them.

Is it normal for a girl to show up without condoms in Ukraine? Do website / apartment girls have their own condoms? How about mamba girls?

[Desin]

If you are already thinking about gifts and allowances then you are approaching it all wrong. These women will try to take advantage of you. As you have read on the forum, however, it is possible to find a mutually beneficial relationship in Kyiv.

Haha.

Yes. I shall meditate on this.

[Member #4722]

Thank you for your advices!

My "street game" is non-existent, I have an issue to talk to total strangers (and chitchat, of all the horrible things! But then again, when I've arranged a date with someone, it's not a problem at all. So this is why the Tinder / Mamba are going to be essential.

My ideal would be to find such a nice persons that I'd like to visit them again and again in future years. So I'm thinking if I should approach this with two ways, simultaneously: Use Tinder to find someone without the reference to money, or with some hidden, but open reference. Something that says "I like to help my friends" or something like that. From time to time over a year, I could send a 50 or 100 euros, just to keep her on the leash. (I know, I know. It's me on the leash, not her.).

Then, I could use Mamba to try more direct approach. I haven't figured out the keywords yet that are familiar to Ukrainian women, but I'll probably come up with something.

Or, I could use two different Tinder-accounts at the same time in different phones. I got a 'steal this' phone for my trips and it'll be useful in this purpose aswell.

If I find a cute and sexually compatible girl, who doesn't bring up the money to the discussion but with whom I'd like to form this kind of financial relationship (maybe she'd expect it as well, but wouln't know how to say it), then what do you consider to good ways to "pamper" her, like YummyPL expressed it? Are they into clothes, electrical devices (headphones? Restaurants, beauty saloons or just hard cash? What would be a proper amount of money, so I wouldn't go over-the-top when I wouldn't have to? What should make. A student in Kiev. Her happy? One told me in another site that she has 100 euro for living per month.

If you are already thinking about gifts and allowances then you are approaching it all wrong. These women will try to take advantage of you. As you have read on the forum, however, it is possible to find a mutually beneficial relationship in Kyiv.

[Desin]

Thank you for your advices!

My "street game" is non-existent, I have an issue to talk to total strangers (and chitchat, of all the horrible things! But then again, when I've arranged a date with someone, it's not a problem at all. So this is why the Tinder / Mamba are going to be essential.

My ideal would be to find such a nice persons that I'd like to visit them again and again in future years. So I'm thinking if I should approach this with two ways, simultaneously: Use Tinder to find someone without the reference to money, or with some hidden, but open reference. Something that says "I like to help my friends" or something like that. From time to time over a year, I could send a 50 or 100 euros, just to keep her on the leash. (I know, I know. It's me on the leash, not her.).

Then, I could use Mamba to try more direct approach. I haven't figured out the keywords yet that are familiar to Ukrainian women, but I'll probably come up with something.

Or, I could use two different Tinder-accounts at the same time in different phones. I got a 'steal this' phone for my trips and it'll be useful in this purpose aswell.

If I find a cute and sexually compatible girl, who doesn't bring up the money to the discussion but with whom I'd like to form this kind of financial relationship (maybe she'd expect it as well, but wouln't know how to say it), then what do you consider to good ways to "pamper" her, like YummyPL expressed it? Are they into clothes, electrical devices (headphones? Restaurants, beauty saloons or just hard cash? What would be a proper amount of money, so I wouldn't go over-the-top when I wouldn't have to? What should make. A student in Kiev. Her happy? One told me in another site that she has 100 euro for living per month.