Kyiv

[Ash1001]

Actually hot girls on Mamba/Flirt get 100's of messages a day not per week. A few I've met have showed me on my laptop at my apartment.

So, you were the one who didn't get ignored out of 100s? What did you actually say in your message? I usually go for models but thought I'd try ugly tonight?

[AColonizer]

i thanks fijiman for his sincere report. yes, that is the average situation for everybody: beginners get a lot of frauds, while talents get full satisfied sex.

i strongly suggest to read hecker's reports, and not narcisist gossips.

moreover i underline any kind of relationships, between men and women, are just fierce bargaining, where the person who lies more than the other one, that person wins.

the first rule in sex market is: money matters, all the rest are fairy tales, no fair play is permitted.

captain beaky,

i was in kiev during the holidays, and duly went by river palace to check out the scene. it was thursday, dec 24, and the place was rockin' at 2am. loads of girls, same quality.

this was my second time at rp, and both times my experience was the same. it's a great trip to have all these hotties eyeing you up, and trying to pick you up. however for me, the time while at rp was far better during both visits than the sex afterwards with the girl i picked.

the first time, it was no kissing, no bbbj, eye on the clock, but at least a decent screw. the second time (two weeks ago), it was no kissing, no bbbj, no daty (!!), and a terrible screw (it was so bad i actually stopped midway through and told her to get dressed and leave!...hey, i have self respect, and i don't like being treated like some diseased john)

both times it was $200, and both times i think i was thoroughly courteous and charming throughout. certainly there was no reason to think i was receiving poor treatment compared to the standard. i think it is simply a heavily "unionized" environment and there are strict standards about what the girls will and won't do

again, it is a fun trip to have these hotties trying to pick you up, but the sex for me afterwards was a complete waste of time.

it's a question of what you want. if you speak the language, or have some decent skills than go to mamba or just off to the western style upmarket clubs (barsky, decadence, buddha bar, shooters, avalon)

but if you're a newbie, speak no russian, etc....
ego trip of having hotties flirst with you? river palace all the way
bad, expensive sex with great eye candy? river palace all the way
good sex at a reasonable kiev price? i recommend www.top-models.com.ua

i saw the following girl
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=2937

it was 1000 uah, and the sex was full on porno style. deep throat, face fucking, cim (no swallow) she loved anal (i never made it to her pussy), hard slapping of her ass (left palm prints on both cheeks :-).

three negatives about her, first she's a little heavier now than her photos, second, a little bit of acne scarring (not seen in the photos of course), and third she was off to shower and get dressed after my first shot on goal (about 40 mins into our hour).

but i should qualify my criticisms by saying that i like very slim girls, and considering the quality of the sex the other points are just nitpicking

but make sure you only look at the girls with the verified "real photos". also, if you pick a girl from an agency (you can tell because she'll have 5-10 "friends" listed on the left), then even if she has "real photos" the agency may simply send you a different girl if your choice is not working. this happened for me, where i booked a duo and the two girls who arrive were nothing like the girls in the photos. but i liked one of them, and i went ahead with the 3-some anyway (and duly got their personal phone #s, emails after)

in conclusion, one of the things that i think happens on the board is that we all talk about our "victories", but don't always properly reflect the time/effort and expense that went into them. simply, we don't talk about the bad experiences, wasted money, etc.

i'm a newbie compared to many of the mongers here wrt to eastern europe. i've been to piter twice, kiev twice and had a kiev girl join me in the dominican once.

for my experiences, for the newbie, i think in kiev the best "sex per dollar and time invested" is the "real photo" girls from top models.

and similarly the best "outing companion and sex afterwards per dollar and time invested" is to pay the $350 usd or so for a 6 hour nightclub companion (includes 2 hrs sex afterwards) from http://www.gia.com.ua/

(wrt to gia, i fully agree that there are loads of girls equally or more hot available in kiev for much less money, but again, this is advice for the newbie w poor language skills, who wants a "sure thing" where you know the girl will show up, match the pictures, she won't slip you a date [CodeWord123] drug, and she will do the services listed in her profile. so you're paying the premium for the safety and convenience)

if you have some skills, then there are certainly loads of semi-pros, amateurs, sponsor hunters on mamba, and at the various western style clubs.

my 2 cents. no h8rs pls.

[Ididid]

Now, over to the incalls.

We used this site

http://escort-models. Kiev. Ua/en/models/

And ordered in some models, I cannot remember who it was since it was my friend who did it, and let me say that the girls you see on this site I believe may come and may not, because many of these numbers are the same, I believe these girls work at brothels and their number is to the " pimp ", so he can basicly send you whoever he wants. But I do not know this for sure, but if you look at the numbers you will see that many of them are the same. But beautiful girls anyway even though it may not be the same as pictured on the site.

Now, the second problem with incalls is that they are late, they can say 20 minutes and come after 1 hour. So you never know.

Had a great time in Kiev, I only wish I would have learned just some Russian before I left so I could communicate with people. The language was a HUGE problem, no doubt, do not take this problem lightly.

I have to apologize for my bad English.

[Ididid]

Hi,

I have just finished a 8 days stay in Kiev, and I can add my experiences, prices, and such. I will now be completely honest about it all.

Me and some friends went to Kiev, we are in our 20s and average + looking.

The thing that stroke me at first in this country was their poor English, I mean, I have been to Thailand, and even there they have better English. Anyway, let's get over to the party stuff, Arena is a very nice club, sick cool environment, and good music, but as mentioned, the girls speak poorly English.

As we found out these things we started just hitting the brothels and strip clubs.

Rio, f'ing GREAT strip club, unbelievable hot dancers and if you make eye contact with them they will come and talk to you, ask you if you want a private dance and such (private dance means that you and the stripper enter a room just the 2 of you, she gets all naked and give you lap dance etc, and you can touch her as much as you like.)

I only tried 3 strip clubs, but Rio was the greatest.

Now, over to the girls. We were one day at River palace, great place, great enviroment, hot girls and impressive bar tendering (do not know if that is a word).

As the night went on, more and more girls offered us sex for money. But as people here have mentioned, the price was way to stiff, we talk about 300. 400 dollars. That is just insane considering this is a EXTREMELY poor country.

So we went mostly to brothels. The cool thing is if you find a young cool taxi driver that knows a little bit of English. We were on one brothel 500grnva for one hour, the girls were maybe 7 / 10 in looks, but made up for it in effort in the bed.

Another brothel we paid 1000. 1200 grnva, this brothel was insane, the girls looked amazing, everyone of the girls had bikinis and they had a "pimp" an older lady. You could chose wich you wanted and go have fun. The thing is, even tough the girls were beautiful, you could not do what you wanted, no kissing, no fingering. This is a huge bummer I think, not because I love to kiss prostitutes or finger them, but because she had to tell me " no " and that is kinda turn off. But it was a great lay and I regret I did not go there again.

Anyway, we tried picking up prostitutes from the streets, here you can get prostitutes from 200 grnva, we found 2 girls, ok looking and paid them 400 each, and went to a sauna room (this was about 3 km out of centrum of Kiev), great lay, but as the driver told us be carefull because these women can steel from you.

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[It Travel]

I will be in Kyiv from Jan 21 to Feb 10th.

So this means the 3rd Annual River Palace Superbowl Ho Down is on!

Time – Sunday February 7th midnight pregaming upstairs at the disco then down to the sports bar to watch the game.

Place – The floating palace of p4p love, River Palace! Situated on the lovely banks of the Dniper River.

Best way to find our group downstairs if you don’t RSVP? Simply ask ‘Is this the ISG meeting?'. Like forum member Maverick did in 2008. Standing up and shouting ‘yo, where the Ho masters at’ will probably be frowned upon.

Very sad I'm not there!!!!

IT

[Cruiser D]

I will be in Kyiv from Jan 21 to Feb 10th.

So this means the 3rd Annual River Palace Superbowl Ho Down is on!

Time – Sunday February 7th midnight pregaming upstairs at the disco then down to the sports bar to watch the game.

Place – The floating palace of p4p love, River Palace! Situated on the lovely banks of the Dniper River.

Best way to find our group downstairs if you don’t RSVP? Simply ask ‘Is this the ISG meeting?'. Like forum member Maverick did in 2008. Standing up and shouting ‘yo, where the Ho masters at’ will probably be frowned upon.

[Cruiser D]

Actually hot girls on Mamba/Flirt get 100's of messages a day not per week. A few I've met have showed me on my laptop at my apartment.

What is also interesting is that there's sometimes profiles of good-looking girls (who, on mamba would receive 50 hits, valentines, winks or whatever each day) on which there's a tag that says "I have not been contacted for some time" !!

where obviously women are not flooded by messages, than on a free site as mamba, where a girl with an attractive profile surely receive 100s of messages each week.

In any case, thanks Hal for the recommandation.

[Fijiman]

captain beaky,

i was in kiev during the holidays, and duly went by river palace to check out the scene. it was thursday, dec 24, and the place was rockin' at 2am. loads of girls, same quality.

this was my second time at rp, and both times my experience was the same. it's a great trip to have all these hotties eyeing you up, and trying to pick you up. however for me, the time while at rp was far better during both visits than the sex afterwards with the girl i picked.

the first time, it was no kissing, no bbbj, eye on the clock, but at least a decent screw. the second time (two weeks ago), it was no kissing, no bbbj, no daty (!!), and a terrible screw (it was so bad i actually stopped midway through and told her to get dressed and leave!...hey, i have self respect, and i don't like being treated like some diseased john)

both times it was $200, and both times i think i was thoroughly courteous and charming throughout. certainly there was no reason to think i was receiving poor treatment compared to the standard. i think it is simply a heavily "unionized" environment and there are strict standards about what the girls will and won't do

again, it is a fun trip to have these hotties trying to pick you up, but the sex for me afterwards was a complete waste of time.

it's a question of what you want. if you speak the language, or have some decent skills than go to mamba or just off to the western style upmarket clubs (barsky, decadence, buddha bar, shooters, avalon)

but if you're a newbie, speak no russian, etc....
ego trip of having hotties flirst with you? river palace all the way
bad, expensive sex with great eye candy? river palace all the way
good sex at a reasonable kiev price? i recommend www.top-models.com.ua

i saw the following girl
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=2937

it was 1000 uah, and the sex was full on porno style. deep throat, face fucking, cim (no swallow) she loved anal (i never made it to her pussy), hard slapping of her ass (left palm prints on both cheeks :-).

three negatives about her, first she's a little heavier now than her photos, second, a little bit of acne scarring (not seen in the photos of course), and third she was off to shower and get dressed after my first shot on goal (about 40 mins into our hour).

but i should qualify my criticisms by saying that i like very slim girls, and considering the quality of the sex the other points are just nitpicking

but make sure you only look at the girls with the verified "real photos". also, if you pick a girl from an agency (you can tell because she'll have 5-10 "friends" listed on the left), then even if she has "real photos" the agency may simply send you a different girl if your choice is not working. this happened for me, where i booked a duo and the two girls who arrive were nothing like the girls in the photos. but i liked one of them, and i went ahead with the 3-some anyway (and duly got their personal phone #s, emails after)

in conclusion, one of the things that i think happens on the board is that we all talk about our "victories", but don't always properly reflect the time/effort and expense that went into them. simply, we don't talk about the bad experiences, wasted money, etc.

i'm a newbie compared to many of the mongers here wrt to eastern europe. i've been to piter twice, kiev twice and had a kiev girl join me in the dominican once.

for my experiences, for the newbie, i think in kiev the best "sex per dollar and time invested" is the "real photo" girls from top models.

and similarly the best "outing companion and sex afterwards per dollar and time invested" is to pay the $350 usd or so for a 6 hour nightclub companion (includes 2 hrs sex afterwards) from http://www.gia.com.ua/

(wrt to gia, i fully agree that there are loads of girls equally or more hot available in kiev for much less money, but again, this is advice for the newbie w poor language skills, who wants a "sure thing" where you know the girl will show up, match the pictures, she won't slip you a date [CodeWord123] drug, and she will do the services listed in her profile. so you're paying the premium for the safety and convenience)

if you have some skills, then there are certainly loads of semi-pros, amateurs, sponsor hunters on mamba, and at the various western style clubs.

my 2 cents. no h8rs pls.

[DJ FourMoney]

The drunken fools and quite a lot of them, used to hang out in the subways on Maidan in Sept and Nov, and looked as if they were looking for a fight.

So I ended up zooming across kreschatick rather than going down the subways to cross the street.

And I being a white guy 6ft2., you can call me a coward. But I played it safer.

Makes perfect sense to me, you avoid problems if you don't open yourself to problems. As I have always maintained, Alpha Male types that like confrontation more often than not get there asses beat more than they actually win and then embellish stories of conquest and victory to those easily impressed by such things.

[DJ FourMoney]

I don't know what your problem is, but an Indian friend working downtown was harassed frequently by the drunken fools that hang out in the subway. Would you like his phone number to ask him yourself?

I don't know what "creditable" means. Do you want to loan me money?

I'm not saying stuff doesn't happen, I am saying however if Black skin of any type is the target of Xenophobia in former Soviet States, then I failed to gain any attention, especially when I looked lost several times.

That's all I was saying, I just believe this personal safety thing gets blown out of proportion.

[Captain Beaky]

Hi,

I will be visiting Kiev this summer after many years. Can anybody please advise me as follows.

1. I hear River Palace was raided by the police. Does anybody know if it is still open AND if it is still frequented by the same numbers and quality of girls as before the raid.

2. The last time I was in Kiev I visited Cocktail 111 which I believe has now closed. Are there many other places where foreigners can meet friendly local ladies. The bars I hear about are Deacadence House, Shooters and Arena. Any others?

3. I recall being able to touch up the dancers in strip clubs and some even had take out of the girls. Does anybody know if this is still possible and the names of the clubs? I recall the last time I visited Millenium. Do they allow?

4. I read on previous posts that Gia and Vodka escorts are the most reliable but also the most expensive agencies. You get what you order from Gia and Vodka. Does anybody have any views on other agencies. Escort-models. Kiev. Ua, www.Ladieskiev.com, www.Royal-Kiev-escort.com, www.Kievescortangels.com, Kiev-golden-escorts. Com. Anybody have any idea if these send the same girl as the picture?

5. Does anybody have any idea if any agency has real ukrainian models on its books?

6. I hear that Raukena is a good place for erotic massage. Are there any other places? Do the girls dress up in sexy clothes?

Thanks for any advice that anybody can give me.

[It Travel]

Not me, I wish you will do it and in this case, please share the pictures

Dear Friend! Unfortunately she is only a dream.... she doesen't answer any more to my posts... a real pity... Could have trained her like Inga for a week or so... might be expencive but surely worth the money...

IT

[Bez Bezarra]

I decided to pay Gold member.

Few are willing to pay. But they are wrong.

Please don't over-react to this by wringing my neck. I deliberately emphasized that I hope I would be proven wrong about the website's oddly curious practice that +6000 hotties are NOT free and the measly 14 young ladies that represent the ENTIRE free category are ALL the fugliest beasts pulling a plow through a field of turnips.

Apparently, that 'elephant in the room', no pun intended, made no impression on you. So be it.

Then the ONLY THING that remains should be how many of the +6000 hot 18-19 year-olds DO you Goldmembers fuck? Almost sounds as believable as an Austin Powers movie! Well, so far, let's see how you've all done? Pics of hot 18-19 y.o. Romance in Russia ladies posted in bed with ISG members = 0. Hmmm.....

Too bad in your case anyway, your preference will never be to share even a single foto, if you did get lucky. Ah well, its only about making the effort to share with your brothers.

You decided to pay, but you decided not to say how much you paid?

And when it comes to stinginess, I welcome all members to ask any Bez sponsorette about the extent of my generosity.

[Prosal]

I thought I'd give it a shot as, I must say, I thought Hal's original recommendation looked quite genuine. It's only $50 or so for 3 months' membership with all messaging to Gold and Silver standard girls included, so it's not too much to lose even if it all turns to dust.

Anyway, I spent a couple of hours saying Hi to about 50 or so young hotties in the three Baltic states as well as Kiev, Lviv, Moscow and St Pete. So far I'm in active conversation with about 10% of them, all from Russia and Ukraine (I'm 37 but reckon I could pass for late twenties.. sort of twenty-twelve ) They do seem quite upfront, and one of them told me she worked as a waitress in a strip club But that's actually regarded as a 'normal' job, right?

Several women have initiated contact, BUT they tend to be of the mid/late 30s, single parent variety OR out and out woolly mammoths. I do get the overall impression that the site is, broadly speaking, genuine.

I second all of the above. RIR is in my opinion a pretty good site. You guys are too suspicious or too stingy. Or both.

I created Monday a free profile and after two days decided to upgrade to paying Gold member, for the following reasons : it seems that it's a genuine site with very few scammers, the proportion of girls "on line" is always rather good, the search function by city is useful, profiles have lots of pics, and the number of young and attractive women registered who seem to visit regularly the site is very satisfactory (of course, nothing like mamba, but IMO better than LL, which is a site that I have always enjoyed and where I've always been quite successful). Also the answer ratio has been for me rather high, something like 25%, which is really good. Plus, I received since Monday some 70 messages and winks (most, I must admit, from 30+ single moms, including a good proportion of 40+ nightmare dragons), something that doesn't happen on mamba or LL.

What is also interesting is that there's sometimes profiles of good-looking girls (who, on mamba would receive 50 hits, valentines, winks or whatever each day) on which there's a tag that says "I have not been contacted for some time" !!

We underestimate the stinginess of most of the guys who "hunt" on dating sites. Few are willing to pay. But they are wrong. Return is undoubtedly much higher on a paying site as RIR, where obviously women are not flooded by messages, than on a free site as mamba, where a girl with an attractive profile surely receive 100s of messages each week.

In any case, thanks Hal for the recommandation.

[Jojosun]

I don't know what your problem is, but an Indian friend working downtown was harassed frequently by the drunken fools that hang out in the subway. Would you like his phone number to ask him yourself?

I don't know what "creditable" means. Do you want to loan me money?

The drunken fools and quite a lot of them, used to hang out in the subways on Maidan in Sept and Nov, and looked as if they were looking for a fight.

So I ended up zooming across kreschatick rather than going down the subways to cross the street.

And I being a white guy 6ft2., you can call me a coward. But I played it safer.