Kyiv

[Bez Bezarra]

I woke up this morning saying to myself, why aren't I in South Beach instead of Kiev.

Bez woke up this morning IN South Beach, wondering why I'm not in my ruski flat, (sorry, location classified), with something to keep me from being bored out of my skull.

Oh yeah, I forgot, Bez don't do winter/snow. Ok, so its sunny here and 24C, but in Bono's own words, nothing changes on New Year's Day.

One minor consolation, my 38D 48kg 19 year old tomboy padruga from last spring in the provinces sent me an 'I love you, can't wait for your return!' sms from her new home in Moscow, to put a little smile on my face, but I'd really rather have her sitting on my face. Guess I'll just have to wait a few months for that to happen, she's promised to ride the train to meet me for another spring fling.

I wouldn't be sitting here twiddling my thumb if I'd just kept this one around, instead of feeling sorry for her and putting her on a plane to go home.

[hans37]

Hello fellow mongers,

First of all HAPPY NEW YEAR to everybody and thanks to all who contribute this forum. Will be back in Kiew next week and not sure how to manage a 24 hours meeting with a not too professional but cute and affordable beauty. Used Vodka escorts last time but prices went up and for my favourites i should pay extra € 200 for transfer to Kiew. I read most of the recent reports and still am not sure what to do. Try at riverplace, sponsored girl (how to find with very limited russian) or use an agency. Any suggestions are highly appreciated, budget for 24 hours meeting is around € 700.

Thanks in advance for your help, regards

[Hecker]

hey, it travel, great reports, thanks! i see you take chianti wine to kiev. next time, take a prosecco of valdobbiadene, too

just a question, what was your appearance and your behaviour, for example, with oksana and valeria? i mean, why is there usually a big, big, big difference in services and prices offered by girls to several customers? i mean, why does a young, shaped, good-mannered, well-informed man have to listen or to read things like "300$/2 hours or nothing" when he knows 300$ is all sex for 24 hours?

because i had arranged the situation for it before he came. i fixed the price to 300$. when i was in kiev i had three girls, these two plus valia, a friend of them who did excellent kissing and better bj than oksana, all of them for 200 euro per day. they told me i could have them the next days with only 100 euro per day for all of them.

basically you need to know how o talk to girls in case they are not pros but regular girls who do it from time to time while having boyfriend etc.
you tell them for example the rate in rp is 200$ for the whole night for a girl, so i suppose i have to pay less for you cause if you do not agree i will call a girl from rp. these girls do not know the actual cost of an rp girl and what she does, so you get a better agreement soon. there are a lot of tricks.

i had agreed with them to do everything it wanted like bbbj, anal dildo, swallowing etc but i do not know why it failed to persuade them to keep the agreement. i had done heavy stuff with them the two times i had met them.

i also was very reluctant to pay for them to eat something as well. anyway i went to produkti with them and they bought some food and drinks with a total cost of 20$. they cooked and i ate from that as well. so i regard spending 400 grivnia on a meal for two of them as a huge exaggeration which seems to spoil them for future adventures. why you italians have always to spoil girls like that?
presents, meals, extras. it is weakness. i never buy presents before i come and i buy only for freebies when they promise sex afterwards or when they are very stunning and you want to speed things. i think you are in a wrong frame of mind.

anyway i saw that expenses for accomodation are getting higher and higher in kiev, so next time i will be there i have arranged to stay in a girl's home for free. so i will avoid this cost. i also intend never to go for dinner or lunch with a girl in kiev again, i read a nyc pick up artist who claimed that going to restaurants on first date kills your chances for a quick lay and i have to agree. only bars and cafes from now on and as low costs as possible.

[Cruiser D]

First day in Kiev, last night was a total wash. I got in at 1530 and there was zero lines and traffic. The flight from the US to KBP was just about perfect. The cabbies, which there were very few of at Borispil wanted 300uah to Majdan, after I got done laughing I talked them down to 150uah (100-120 is usually a good price but it was NYE). Had some minor problems with my apartment and didn't get settled till 1930. Jet lag started catching up with me at that point so I called the two dyevushka's I had lined up for the night and told them I was too tired to meet - I had warned them that might happen.

I also got an sms that night from my #1 girl saying she was headed off to Switzerland on Jan 1st for 'work'. :| Oksana is smokin' hot but unfortunate for her every year a little more of her soul seems to get chipped away (I met her in 2005). And as usual there is a good percentage of girls that I know off in the villages with their families for the Holidays. I'll spend most of this day finding out which of the 300 or so Ukrainian girls I know are still active and organizing the next 5 days of dating (3x/day).

I woke up this morning saying to myself, why aren't I in South Beach for two months instead of Kiev. I'm sure Kiev in the winter will do my soul well. It's amazing how polished the center is becoming. Enclosed ATM's, lots of signs in English. It's nice to get away from American culture for a while. It's too bad Kiev is catching up with Western Europe in being 'Americanized'. :P

IT, sounds like a lot of money and effort for 2nd stringers..but as long as you are happy. No place in the world even comes close to food, food products or preparation to Italy or France. Furchette, the 24/7 supermarket in Mandarin Plaza is a good place to go shopping, however their produce is generally very poor.

Any American's in Kiev interested in watching the NFL playoff series?

[It Travel]

Hey, IT Travel, great reports, thanks! I see you take Chianti wine to Kiev. Next time, take a prosecco of Valdobbiadene, too

Just a question, what was your appearance and your behaviour, for example, with Oksana and Valeria? I mean, why is there usually a big, big, big difference in services and prices offered by girls to several customers? I mean, why does a young, shaped, good-mannered, well-informed man have to listen or to read things like "300$/2 hours or nothing" when he knows 300$ is all sex for 24 hours?

If you just have a lot of free allowance on your plane (due to Business or Silver or Gold cards) it's OK. Otherwise in the supermarket at -1 floor of Mandarin Plaza 24/24, but in the night access from the Parking inside... ask eventually at Arena Security you find everything.

Of course a little bit overpriced , but approx 30% of food stocking is Italian. You find even sophisticated items like a DOCG Chianti or a Carnaroli rice or whatever you want, only the way of cutting the meat (as in all EE) is very poor, best to buy sharp knifes and pieces!

The overpricing (food) in comparison to an Italian Supermaket is 30-50%, more for wine due taxes on alchool (the we do not have on wine in Italy)... the Checchi Chianti was something around 90-100 Grivnas, meaning 7-8 €, and you get it for 4.50 in Italy... just my two cents on Shopping in Kiev... (not only Pussy!)

IT

[DJ FourMoney]

As has been said a billion times, we all have different tastes. Plenty of mongers are perfectly happy, and even prefer, boning single mothers. They are certainly more interested in meeting a potential husband, and more financially desperate than university students, because of the situation they have found themselves in. Most mongers probably agree that on the bitchiness factor, they tend to be less so than younger females, and are usually more sexually open and more grateful.

There will always be a large supply of them ready and willing, from internet dating sites.

For those of us completely addicted to pre-pregnancy boobs, we have very little interest in divorced moms. Sure there are many MILF's I would hump in a moments notice, but those are much more likely to still be married and not dumped, because they are the hot looking ones.

Then again, with so many dyevushkas available that are not mamas, there's really no need to deviate from the formula that works for Bez, hehe.

I can relate....

The ONE I did end up bangin was a Single Mom, but not a MILF by any measure. Very AVERAGE (think 5), and the sex was limited (parnoid).

But I rather have mid to late 20's than early 20's to late teens, experiences is a great teacher, especially when it comes to sex and mid 20's is it just before everything starts to go down hill, at least I can enjoy it for the whole run (about 30 years) instead of being half way over (mid to late 30's) and EE girls are comfortable with the mild age difference especially since I still look mid 20's.

I am still talking to a Siberian girl I started talking too before my trip, she just sent me a text wishing me Happy New Year.... She's 25, not a looker, but not ugly either. I think I can upgrade a bit, so I am still looking.

It was super cheap to fly to Kiev about a month ago when I looked and yes I know its cold, but for 500 clams roundtrip??? It might have been worth going and I can see why Cruiser is going on a Winter Tour....

[AColonizer]

Hey, IT Travel, great reports, thanks! I see you take Chianti wine to Kiev. Next time, take a prosecco of Valdobbiadene, too

Just a question, what was your appearance and your behaviour, for example, with Oksana and Valeria? I mean, why is there usually a big, big, big difference in services and prices offered by girls to several customers? I mean, why does a young, shaped, good-mannered, well-informed man have to listen or to read things like "300$/2 hours or nothing" when he knows 300$ is all sex for 24 hours?

[Bez Bezarra]

Now I remember a fact:

He did mention gifts for the girls children.

As has been said a billion times, we all have different tastes. Plenty of mongers are perfectly happy, and even prefer, boning single mothers. They are certainly more interested in meeting a potential husband, and more financially desperate than university students, because of the situation they have found themselves in. Most mongers probably agree that on the bitchiness factor, they tend to be less so than younger females, and are usually more sexually open and more grateful.

There will always be a large supply of them ready and willing, from internet dating sites.

For those of us completely addicted to pre-pregnancy boobs, we have very little interest in divorced moms. Sure there are many MILF's I would hump in a moments notice, but those are much more likely to still be married and not dumped, because they are the hot looking ones.

Then again, with so many dyevushkas available that are not mamas, there's really no need to deviate from the formula that works for Bez, hehe.

[It Travel]

8 days 7 nights

Day one and two.

Two nights with Valeria (21, 160 and 45 or so) and Oksana (23, 165 and 50 English speaking) a nice semi lesbian couple, nothing exceptional, but good, nice, well educated and stunningly cheap 300 USD + dinner for both. Got them from Hecker, unfortunately they did not do all…

The best was surely when Valeria was laying on me, cock inside, kissing, and Oksana was taking care of my balls making a tongue bath to them… got the orgasm without that Valeria moved… Oksana is a nice licker (covered) and Valeria is perfect at cow girl… the first evening she come with dying hot pants and white boots, sometimes I really like when whor** are dressed like who***!

Both have very very nice bodies and 5-6 rated faces, but Valeria (a brunette) is really getting you hard!

Total damage for Valeria and Oksana:
Two nights at 300 $ each (for both!)
Two Cialis at 20 $ each
Two dinner for three at approx 400 Grivnas each (one sushi and one BBQ style)

Day Three and Four
Two nights and two days with Inga (she just went home for taking some dresses and for a university lesson). I got in touch via flirt… simply a pig, just filled 20 now. Cow girl with an anal vibrator! And to Arena (meeting a friend he will laugh here and answer if he wants) plugged (anally!).

Nice girl, always wet and horny… loving to be tooled in any hole!

She was doing everything and wanted to be portrayed too! (I will post more pics in Anal section!). Still nice and naive and rock hard tits! Unfortunately she got her period at the end of the second day!

Total damage for Inga:
A perfume at 40 €
Two days and niche with cum swallowing at 400 USD each.
Two Cialis at 20 $ each
Jacuzzi salts for 250 Grivnas
We ate home, because her friends in the university do not know, and the pics on her page on flirt are not real…

Day Five

Miss U.

She is still nice and a good fuck (ask the friend who I hope will answer)… a little bit strange. But soft and willing and always joking and laughing! But it’s she that fucks you… the body is for heavy duty! (Anal too)

Total damage
She loves Cavalli, as all UA girls, so on Sales I buy lots of things in Italy , a nice bag 80 €
A nice romantic dinner 500 Grivnas (really good!)
I jumped over Cialis (one every 24 hours is too much! I started to get some muscle pain)

Day Six

Met Ira at Mandarin around noon, at midnight she was on the bed, two pillows under her popka and I was making a nice **** tasting… real pink (like Valentina!). She is a real beauty (you can se the pics), just normal sex including all, really tight in both holes! And she did also BBBJ with CIM and… swallowed too! I think I could fell in love with her. She missed my friend at Arena (in the afternoon) for 10 minutes… now he can see the pics!
The best GFE up to today (apart one in the old Russia around 1992-3 where I did two sisters for a couple of days for 200 USD for two, two days! One 18 the other 20… mhhh unfortunately no digital!).

Total Damage
A present (Cavalli bag) 80 €
Cialis 20 $
Drinks at Arena (twice) 150 Grivnas
Home dining with Ikra and Salmon 150 USD

Day Seven

Ira had to go otherwise…. Inga was in period, and the two pigs where busy… so phoned the MT she said 200 for two hours… and I said you are crazy. I said I had nice food and wine… and wanted her all the night…. So at the end if I gave a copy of nice pics on a USB key (5€) she would have been there for 300 $ at 9 pm OK I said I left at 8 the time for a nice Jacuzzi… Then she phoned and said will come at 11 pm (she surely got a qwikie…) but ok… She phoned at 11.05 say she was out of the door! OK
Nice food, nice photos nice sex… the two best moments was surely the heavy fucking handcuffed in the bed (see the pics) with final COF, and a real good BBBJ (she was really a little bit drunk) with CIM, I think she swallowed, because she did not even go to the toiled, an the bed was dry! But when the pig got out of being drunk… stole my Ikra!

Total Damage
300 $ from 11 pm to 10 am
Cialis 20 $
Waiter dress 60 € at Beate Uhse
Some food from the fridge
AND 500 grams OF BELUGA! Approx 400 €!!!

So these where my days in Kiev, I met also other girls (at bars making rests) but these where the fucked ones…

Of course Flight/Transportation/Home is not included it depends on your standard…

Total Damage for an unforgettable week… 2.800 USD including drinks and a full stocked fridge… Did not count but…
Valeria (2 holes, no Anal)
Oksana (2 holes no Anal)
Inga (3 holes including BBBJ)
Miss U. (2 holes, she do not even BJ)
Ira (same as Inga all round)
MT (2 holes, including BBBJ, wanted to try a plug but she said next time….)

Surely at least 30-35 shots…

My dick looked really happy and soft! Soon I’ll leave for Moldova so….

[Reiner Otto]

If he spends great amounts of money for sponsoring, everything is possible especially if he has local contacts. If not, then he most probably dates young but average looking girls.

Average looking girls.

As a German, and in similar age as the special guy you are discussing here, I totally have to agree to the opinion stated here.

However, because I am not spending great amounts of money, I have to date average looking girls, too.

BUT: "Average" to the standards I am used to see here in UA.

And this "average" is far above what I see in Germany or in the USA (besides Hollywood).

So I am quite happy with this situation, and probably, this special guy, too.

Besides that, I sponsored one special girl from UA for a long time. In the beginning, her "looks were below average". (But I really liked her).

After a few months, with reasonable foodstuff, better clothes, hairdresser, cosmetics, stable and solid lifestyle etc. she was "well above average".

Even the locals now started to be really interested in her.

The girls here in UA or in Russia can make quite a lot out of themselves with some "investments".

And the regular monthly investments can be just a few hundreds of $, in case we are not talking about Kiev.

[It Travel]

Hey IT Travel,

Are you joking with MT? We know she is your favourite and so it sounds a bit strange that you are angry with her. It seems a marketing strategy. .

Anyway, I remember my experience (about Alessia too):

1. It is possible but very low probable that a prostitute can be or become a friend too, it is a border of female mindset "if you are a customer then you are not a man for me", prostitutes always say the opposite just to keep customers;

2. Do you indeed think MT won't have a good future? I knew a girl similar to MT and now she lives together a rich man. And in the future I think she will change other rich men and she always will have a better life than the average people. .

I think this is the end of all longtime prostitutes. I see when a girl works as a prostitute for more a year, she becomes another person and she changes her behaviour in bad.

Sorry for delay in answering, but I have to work too… not just fucking!

The problem with MT is very simple (apart stealing my Ikra)… she is very good at sex when a little drunk (let’s say a bottle of Chianti and no meal for a girl of 45 kgs!)…
Her BBBJ with CIM or COF is still nearly the state of the art (but L_olita is far better), but’s all she is is just a sex toy! And she is one of the few skinny girls (I mean well under 50 kg) I found where a guy like me, tall and around 100 kg can do real heavy sex!

Before she did anal too, now she just got the little condomed plug… and did not want more!

She can’t behave in any way sometime is arrogant or shy (depends on vodka) and is just like a spoiled 14teen… She puts all her money on stupid things like clothes fake jewels telephones (she had three!) etc etc.

If you marry a such girl you will be out of money in some months. She wants to marry a Businessman

My Moscow friend Valentina (and her older sister Ludmilla) are instead saving money (as I told before), in their broken English they even asked me some tips for investments. They are nearly gone from internet now, they just work on safe regular customers in hotel, nearly only all nighter. No pimps and safe (as I feel safe with them, have copy of passports…). They want to get up to 50.000 or so and they are nearly there, get back to Kursk and buy a drink/tobacco/produkty small shop to run together… They are not dreaming on a marriage (Valentina already once, Ludmilla twice). They just want to run their shop and rise up the children (they have four)

The same with L. her behaviour is that of a Lady… I’ll never go to a restaurant with MT, but I did (yeah a bar) with L. and still do with Valentina (usually we go for sushi or shahlik it depends), and I go shopping with Ludmilla.

MT do not understand that if she would be more gentle and nice with the sex she is able to do she could make 100,000 of $$ and really find a Businessman, but she is always dressed as a who**, and behave like a who**, other girls are really more normal. By the way she is now too old, I think something like 26 or 27 even if she says 24

If I do not remember wrong I red that you wanted to marry her… no problem, just ask, if you have some money she will do it, she dreams about that. It’s that the reason perhaps she was so angry about the pics now she wants a reputation, before she wanted customers, and we all know that among the readers here for sure at least 15 have fucked her! I took her 4 or 5 times in 2004-2007 and this will be last (on ground of Ikra!). In any case if I call her she will not come. A pity because when a little bit drunk at 2 am (after several sessions) you get to bed and she start her BBBJ like a vacuum cleaner with her long hair on your body… wow it’s nice!

Exactly as fucking her handcuffed and COF at the end (a pity no titfuck of course!)

I hope I answered you…

Enjoy my (my opinion) best pics of MT (by the way she uses some in her page… http://flirt.com.ua/sweetmail-a5346/)

My captions
01 Just arrived… as a who** as usual!

02 Already handcuffed and in sexy waiter dress, playing on the table we just started the second bottle!

03 From table to sofa… she is lathing because she see me naked, condom already on, I just take down her pants for a nice (weird) session on the sofa…

04 In the bedroom, she like posing that you do not see much of her face but you see the bush (one of the reasons I liked her I just like trimmed not shaved girls)

05 Her best view (****!)

06 Ready to please… one of the best positions and way to fuck (in both holes) a girl, unfortunately no anal, but a nice COF

07 Later in the night, no waiter costume, but still handcuffed and facialized (she was not so enthusiast of being photographed with cream on face but…)

08 Going to the bath a wonderful body… (skinny I love other types too )

[Hecker]

If he spends great amounts of money for sponsoring, everything is possible especially if he has local contacts. If not, then he most probably dates young but average looking girls.

[Rio Bob]

Guy's thanks for your great responses. Now that you've jogged my memory somewhat, I remember a few other facts about him:

I think equally important are questions like:
* what kind of girl/how'd she look? Yes this is a good question, he never offered any pictures but recently he was planning to go to Rio and he was setting up some girls to meet from the internet and he told me one just sent him a picture, I asked if I could see it and he said NO.
* how many times did he date them before scoring? Besides ones that he had met that night in a bar or something, looks like he was finding them on the internet first and he does not speak Russian. He even told me some girls lived hours away and he flew them in to meet him. But he did not pay them for their time but I guess he did shell out a lot of money to get them there and feed them.
* what other things besides cash were in the package? In some cases he did mention gifts for the girls children or milk money LOL
* how often did he actually score? He doesn't tell me about his misses only his hits
* his social skills/success back home? He's a mover and a shaker in the gym, women like to be talked to and he is a good talker.

[Sorbonne]

If you are a "white" Turk you actually would have an edge over "Westerners" here in Kiev. Stereotypically, Ukrainian girls perceive "Westerners", especially Americans, as boring, superficial, and weak (because they are too civilized for Ukrainian girls). Both Turks and Ukrainians are not European and they tend to click quite well culturally. Same goes for Greeks and Italians. However, the Turks who crowd the River Palace are the middle eastern types (think Grand Bazaar carpet sellers) and it is clear that girls prefer "Westerners" over these types. In the final analysis, who you are and how you present yourself has much more weight than your passport, especially for girls who just look for fun.

It's Hedonist is right, wow, what an observation! Having been to both Kiev and Istanbul, it seems to make a good sense to me.

[Doctor_Skank]

hey guys, i moved this from the photo section, i just wanted to ask some of you about this post.

i have a friend who goes to kiev and odessa to meet women. he is in his mid to late fifties in great shape(i know him from the gym) not tall or very handsome. but anyway he swears to me that he meets girls in their twenties in kiev and odessa and they don’t charge him. now i think he is a liar but i can’t prove it of course because i have never been there. i do monger mostly in brazil so i know what girls in their twenties are mostly looking for from guys in their fifties. so what do you think is he a liar? his trips last about a week at a time.

i agree with uke boy that it is unlikely that he could score regularly going in cold (no previous contact with the girls) and only speaking english (limiting ability to communicate effectively with a lot of girls), however nothing is impossible.

i think equally important are questions like:
* what kind of girl/how'd she look?
* how many times did he date them before scoring?
* what other things besides cash were in the package?
* how often did he actually score (fuck the chick)?
* what are his social skills/success like back home?

55+ year old guys with 20ish girls isn't an uncommon sight in ee, but usually there is some sort of "support" involved in the mix when ages differ so greatly.

his being in great shape certainly helps set him apart from others his age, but it seems unlikely he was scoring regularly. more likely he goes out every night for a week, dates 5-6 girls about 3 times each and end up banging one bland looking but nice 26-year old. that rather unimpressive story quickly becomes "i'm screwing all these 20-year old hotties in ukraine" when he starts talking about it back home. probably also a question of what he considers attractive. i've also seen a lot of pictures of people's "hot ukrainian girlfriend" and i guess beauty is relative and subjective or something, as i've rarely been overly impressed with the kind of fish they've been reeling in. perhaps they are saying the same thing about my girls. different strokes fer different folks.

still, it is possible even if it is likely that he is exaggerating. i've seen stranger things, some guys just have "it" and do very well with girls.

age differences are a factor in dating for sure, in ee as well as the rest of the world. nonetheless, there is less negative stigma attached to it in ee as for example in the us where girls don't like to date outside of their peer group, especially when they are young. many ee girls even prefer dating guys older than them for various reasons, including but not limited to the fact that older guys have more money than the local young guys. more and more however as younger ee guys get more money at an earlier age, ee girls are looking for guys more their age.

fighting the trend isn't that difficult though, especially if you can offer the girls something besides money... specifically entertainment, experience, adventure, great sex and romantic affection. they lap it up. apparently those are areas where foreign guys still offer more than most locals who seemingly quite often don't appreciate their women as much as we do.