Kyiv

[KiwiG]

Hi Guys,

What will the non-pro/student scene be like April 9-12 - easter? Will Kiev be busy or are most of the students away on holidays or visiting family?

[Swiss Tiger]

Cracking report...... "grinning gang of three"... nice one... I guess we've all had something like that... the better hotels do act with a bit more decorum though.... keep it coming!

[TheKnight]

Of course the site’s no good for Ukrainian, but everyone in Kyiv speaks Russian too, so start your writing in that and you’ll be fine.

You may though have problems with replies in Russian, because it could be nonsense by the time it arrives in your in-box. You may have to fiddle around with the language settings, but good luck.

TRAVELOGUE – KYIV:

DAY ONE, arrived safely in Kyiv, and our party was met at the airport and driven in to the centre where we would meet the rest of our group for the week. The road from the airport is straight and soulless. Uninteresting in the extreme. Woodland is all you can see for miles as your driver tries to avoid the potholes on the motorway.

Checked into Hotel (Dnipro). Checked out all entrances and exits, vantage points from the bar etc. My main problem this week potentially being colleagues drinking far too late at the bar and hampering my attempts to bring girls past them to my room!

Managed to get a copy of Kyiv Post with the lead story about the US Deputy Sec of State in town – maybe that’s why the hotel was packed out.
My room’s very basic for a 4-star. Single bed (disaster), but slightly larger than many single beds, more like 1.5 bed size! No way is this worth the money my company’s being charged, but my contact here tells me it’s definitely girl-friendly, so that’ll do for me!

We all have to do down to bar to meet other colleagues, Ukrainian too, even though this is the bloody weekend. Excellent news, they’re going out for a meal. I offer to be a martyr! I have far too much work to do, and anyway I’m kinda beat. Maybe I’ll just have room service and catch up with them later, I want to get my work done first!

Result – everyone else goes out! This gives me at least an hour to organize an arrival to my 7th floor room! Why is there no 3rd floor – haven’t figured that out! Word of warning – like many “top” hotels you need a key-card to operate the lift when on public access floors, therefore a girl coming to your room unaccompanied is impossible.

So to the Kyiv Post. Section two has a sort of what’s on “night and day” supplement. About 10 small picture ads in the back and 6-7 unpictured classifieds. First problem, calling the bloody number. Finally got it to work, by dialing +380 (the whole country code) and then dropping the first 8-0 on the mobile numbers. For local landline numbers it requires dialing 8044 before the number. Got through to one who charges $50/hour and $100/2 hours. Was told this is standard. Asked if possible for a selection of girls to be sent and I would pick one. Agency didn’t understand this, so I gave up to try one of the others. Rang ad no.2 and it obviously went through to the same woman, so I tried again – same prices, same lack of help.

Tried one of the smaller classifieds, same price and only single woman, who said she was 27, but I worry when a WG says that she may mean 35, so went back to the glossy pictures. Dialled one with a mobile instead of Kyiv number, same price, would only send one girl, but guaranteed she would be able to speak English, be 18-21 and blonde. Said I’d ring back in 5 minutes. Gave one last go to Kiev local number, same woman as before answered and her English had improved enough to shout “f*ck off and die dirty f*cking bas*ard” which is not the best customer service line I’ve heard!

So back to the offer of 18-21 y o. She’d be with me in 30 minutes. I sort of allowed 45 minutes and as I’d already wasted 15-20 minutes thought I’d be pretty well guaranteed none of my party returning when I went to meet her.
I assumed she’d ring on her mobile when close, but oh no! Got a call from her in the reception, which meant me having to go down in full glare as she stood between the security guard, concierge and even the bloody shoe-shine colored guy! Immense problems; I had to come out of lift trying not to make eye contact, quickly move left towards the bar, check the coast was clear, do the same with the reception seating area, which necessitated walking right past the 3-blokes and the girl all looking at me quizzically. Then, less than discreetly, nodded at the girl whereupon the security guy blurted out “Room 704?”

Off we went to the sanctuary of the room and the doors wouldn’t shut soon enough on the lift!! She was as promised, blonde, 19yo student, and slim, but not pencil slim. Nastya was about a 7, and I handed over my $50, fairly happy, but a touch disappointed somehow a supermodel straight outta those websites didn’t appear! Anyhow an hour of fun to welcome me to Ukraine. Both showered. She performed remarkably well. OWOTC, sex multi-positioned! No anal though, and not keen when my finger went a roving and knocking at the back door!

3 sessions in the hour, and 5 minute overrun, but she was fine about it. And off she went. Hastily made a few notes to convince my colleagues I had been working and met them after another shower. Now about 3 hours in Ukraine and I’d had 3 showers already!!

Went to meet them in a bar on Kreschatyk, the name of which escapes me, but about 6 blocks up. Was advised to take a taxi, but stuff that. Great time walking up, smiling at girls. Especially in the subway, and I even went into one of the metro stations to take a look before having to use it. Buskers, flower sellers, people just dawdling, conversing, and all the girls happy for you to smile – looking foreign is sometimes great!

Had the drinks, ravenously hungry, so got a snack, saying the rooms service wasn’t very good (I couldn’t reveal the only dining I’d done was at the Y!!).
Actually I subsequently found out the food in Dnipro was the best thing about the hotel!

Dreaded coming back with colleagues into hotel infront of the grinning gang of three at the door, so suggested we stay out for more drinks, and that thinned the crowd down a little. We went to Planeta Sport on a road off Kreschatyk, near the main department store, and then wandered back and visited Dino’s, opposite Dnipro Hotel. Planeta had three tables of girls and we got talking (well I did) after much eye contact to two tables. First ones were leaving but got a mobile number, second ones were up for a giggle and we bought them drinks but experience told me that was all, and as they left I thought abut trying for 3rd lot, but they were readying to leave too. Looked crestfallen as I saw closer, just how good they were, slightly older at about 24-26 (I was youngest of our table at 33). Raised an eyebrow designed to say “How could you be leaving now”, one delicious blonde shrugged her shoulders apologetically and laughed; great smile! Leaned across and spontaneously grabbed her arm. Understand I never normally conceive of doing that, nerves, and expectation of a slap in the mush usually stop me, but here it’s fine, apparently. My mates were stunned, so was I when she said maybe tomorrow. I got her mobile, and promising SMSs and dreaming of a whole night of passion, we parted – well she was probably dreaming of a whole night of JD & coke and foreign cuisine, but hey let’s not spoil the image.

Dino’s is down a little alleyway and then down some steps to the bar area with some appalling live singer when we were there. Restaurant to the left, and strip club to right. 20 UAH ($4) entry, beer about $3 as I remember, or cheaper for local stuff. Girls go topless only – they then come closer for private table dance, but again topless only and expect a healthy tip (50UAH) for their gyrations. One girl was good looking, dk hair, others medium to poor. After 2 rounds and with me completely knackered we called time – I didn’t have the energy to go out again, or order in again, though I was anxious to discover River Palace in particular. I also had an email from Model Diana before I left with her number, again $100 for 2 hours. Found her on a website with genuine pictures and she’s a good standby if I don’t strike lucky with “Planeta Katerina.” Then to bed…alone!

I can tell you day two was exciting too, but you’ll have to wait until the next free time I get for me to detail all that! If you guys prefer me to leave out the travelogue/non sex info then just say, and I’ll adapt my style according to the wishes of the board!

[Zinger Burger]

To help translate the dating sites from russian to englishi use

http://babelfish.altavista.com

Its good. I advise to use it.

[TravelMen]

Thanks for the replies.

Vegamars:
Please explain why it is nonsense to try them?
I was thinking it might just be fun. A lot of the girls seem to have fairly good jobs, so it could be interesting in itself.

As long as you don't start spending too much money on them.

Also I was thinking if you chat with them before you arrive in Kiev, you also have a local contact or two.

Is any one in Kiev from May 23?

[Vegamars]

It's completely nonsense to try out marriage sites while you're in Kiev even though they might be real.
Rather you can rely on free sites like date.com,imatchup.com and loveme.ru which will enable you opportunities throughout eastern Europe as well as Kiev.

[California Guy]

TM,

I am actually wondering the same. It seems like someone out there must know of a site that is real? I wouldn't mind meeting a regular girl when I head over in October because I am assuming it is easy to find girls for hire.

Also, I am planning to go through Prague and Berlin as well and was curious which has the best clubs to meet girls and which is the best in terms of women for hire?

Thanks in advance!

[TheKnight]

TM,

I have just arrived in Kyiv. Details of my travelogue will unfold here over coming days! I was told marriage agencies are hit and miss. If you're here for a while then go for it, but always beware the risks. You could just join one when you're here, at least you then know they exist and where to find them. There's actually a feature on them in the free (english lang) paper I have picked up in my hotel, but not read it yet.

Also, you may be seeing women who ONLY want to MARRY a rich guy and they may not want to pleasure you on first, or even second, night.

In reality there are so many pretty girls on the street I'd advise against and just wander around, and go to bars etc. After 3 hours of wandering, exploring, having late lunch and visiting couple of bars I had lots of positive reaction to smiles, coy looks etc which gives me hopes for the week ahead! So my advice would be go with the flow. If things don't come off with the normal girls you can always call an escort then, or visit River Palace!

[TravelMen]

One more question regards apartments.

Has any one experience with this site?

www.kievconnections.com

They have some great apartments.
Any idea where Baseyna street is?


Some of the marriage girls there are georgous too.
Is it worth joining a site like this to try and the girls there, or is this just a con?

I read the girls on these sites are just there to scam you.

It could be fun though.
Any thoughts?

I shall be there in May.

[Vegamars]

Speaking a certain language will not decrease prices as you can guess.Even communicating in Ukrainian would not help you much.But when you travel to the western part of the country and especially to Lviv,I would never advise you to speak in Russian as it could double the prices for you.People there really hate Russian and communicate in Ukrainian all the time in a quite interesting accent,showing their envy of independence.
The only girl-friendly hotels in Kiev are Premier Palace and Dnipro and you'll always have a problem with the security in the others,which you can easily solve by 50Gr.You must always be ready for wondering eyes on you when passing through with a girl though as if you're doing the most interesting thing in the world.Of course you'll have to deal with the same thing even if you're with your girlfriend,just smile back and you'll feel very comfortable.
In hotels like Kreschatik where the security is even tighter,an internal service is provided and it will be a little bit more difficult to take a girl in from outside,but don't worry,you're in Ukraine and there's always a solution.

[TheKnight]

Opus D,

Hotels are artifically inflated prices. Locals have to pay same at the top hotels, don't know about 2/3 star places. Best bet apartment without doubt, unless your company pays.
Also security can be a problem with some hotels, usually ok at 4*+, but you may feel a little awkward!!

[Opus Dog]

So I have a question:

What can a tourist who speaks/reads very little russian can expect to pay for staying on a daily basis in Kiev? Hotel, food, taxis, etc. Does speaking/reading russian get you any deals like cheaper hotels, flats, eating out?

Thanks!

[City Angel]

If anyone is looking for a good contact in Kiev to organise semi-pro girls for them, hit me with a PM, and I can pass on the number of a contact I have.

[Tech Boy]

Thanks Uke Boy,

I might give GIA a call, I also checked out Odessa escort site and they are charging 300Euros for 12 hrs, it seems it is very high for Ukraine, but I like 3 of the girls in the pic so might try out anyway.

I'll try to give some interesting report, maybe I'll try the disco clubs, I'm young good looking entrepreneur but quite shy, and I'll try

By the way, you know you can arrange a date with the dating agencies in Kiev and Odessa for $20-$40 intro, it might take more effort but it's good for the companionship. I'll check how it goes.

[Uke Boy]

Tech Boy,

I just called Gia at the number you called +38 067 393 27 27. Works just fine and was able to get the revision of prices that Nanto71 just sent in. Seems that Gia changes prices and systems almost as often as new girls come in and out. His is, for now, the correct price list.

I know nothing about their email as it is easier for me to call them since I am here.

I also cannot help you with the airport transfer and a girl. I do not always check the forum since I do have many other things to do.

It looks like Gia has gone to a one price system but if you want to pay in Grivna rather than dollars they will charge you a 5.4 exchange rate rather than a street rate of 5.32 That means $70 at 5.32 is 372.40 Grivna or 378 Grivna if you pay them at the 5.40 rate. No big difference.

The big difference is that the local price went up, I am sorry to say. We will see what they say in their next round of email prices.

I can also add to Vegamars' comment that you have entered Ukraine, you can travel anywhere on the visa. Just do make sure you have a visa before you come and do not overstay the term of the visa. Otherwise, enjoy.