Kyiv

[Limarian]

Day three.

I have to put an end to these rodding excursions, come to terms with no more sex recreation, just the occasional W to keep the ever restless lbido happy. On my gravestone shall be writ no doubt 'he wanked himself to death'.

A proper Thai massage in the afternoon at Blue Elephant – pretty good, completely straight and left more supple – walked around eating nice food at nice places – but it seems anywhere in the centre is now getting away with charging western size prices. You know, 260 uah for a small salad kind of prices. Uber is a real Godsend with smart phone tracking however and rides are dirt cheap although usually in something with cracked windscreen and worn out suspension. I went to Red Lion on Kreschatic in the evening – ridiculous cards left on each table give a menu of prices like 300 for a lap dance – and prices for topless drinks served by the manager etc. – but talking to the girls you find each two song mini lap dance is just 100 uah and the take out is 200 dollars for a couple of hours. Just three dancers when I went at 10.30. Two absolute goddesses, and one pretty drunk girl. All very desirable, strong flawless bodies – climbing up the pole, stripping off the bikini top and coming over to crawl all over me, brief touching of bits and pieces allowed but you have to go for a private dance out the back for more. From past experience this includes opening my shirt and more rubbing and breathing in my ear and sitting on my lap and generally grinding and gyrating. Nowadays this just feels like a medical examination gone seriously mad and because of my medical experience. Instead of feeling engaged, involved and excited I can't help thinking about a variety of lower abdominal medical conditions and the stages of female organic development. I guess it's over but the flame still flickers dimly. What does the future hold for me – benevolent granddaddy or dirty old git?

[DonkeyPower]

Thanks for the recommendation Rog123. It is true I lack confidence, but I am working on it step by step. Kiev, or Ukraine overall, was maybe a bit too much for me.

The first few days I spent in L'viv. Basically I flew to Kiev and then took the train to L'viv. There I did some sightseeing, visited museums, the Christmas market and so on. There were a lot of beautiful girls sitting in coffees, in groups however, many tourists too. I ate at restaurants twice every day, always alone. But I swear, occasionally some girl followed me and sat at a table nearby. She ordered water or coffee and just sat there. Of course I am a newbie and didn't know what to do. There were also so many other chances on the Christmas market or in coffees where girls tried to establish eye contact.

Well one night I decided to go to a strip club, it is called Split. It is a big establishment with bar, restaurant, karaoke, strip-shows. I had no idea where to go and the receptionist was not helpful at all. I asked in Russian, whether she could explain me everything, but she pretended, that she doesn't understand me. I think English would have been better. At the end of the day I went to their bar / restaurant and ordered some nice sushi. I was alone there with two bartenders. Later a drunk local came and we talked a bit.

The next day I tried to get an escort to my hotel room. By then I knew that most photos on relaxkiev or sexkiev are fakes. So I called with my Ukrainian sim card and asked for pictures. The number belonged to an apartment with several girls. I picked a young blonde for 2000 UAH / h. In hindsight I am still laughing at my stupidity. Some gargoyle-looking broad arrived at my doorstep. She was at least 32 years old and smelled like a pack of cigarettes. But I still took her to my room. We talked a bit and then she went to the bathroom to take a shower. I must admit, she once had a nice body, her bottom was okay. But she destroyed everything with cigarettes and too much sunbathing. I tried to make the best out of it, but I couldn't come. The rest of the time she gave me a massage and we talked some more. She told me she is an architect, but couldn't find a job. At the end she didn't want to leave and asked for an extension. I declined.

[DramaFree11]

Thanks for taking the time for the report. Kiev is not the ideal place for a newbie monger or a guy that lacks confidence. It takes experience do weed through the BS and also Ukrainian women are attracted to confidence and alpha males. If you are German you should start off at the local venues. Germany is considered monger heaven by many and the only confidence you need is to be able to say no. Still sounds like you had a pretty good time overall!

Ukraine girls love to play games and are looking for financial compensation for there service. Other then that they are the same as all other girls all over the world. That being said, many have left the country for Better Lives, not reported much on this page.

[Member #4722]

Thanks for taking the time for the report. Kiev is not the ideal place for a newbie monger or a guy that lacks confidence. It takes experience do weed through the BS and also Ukrainian women are attracted to confidence and alpha males. If you are German you should start off at the local venues. Germany is considered monger heaven by many and the only confidence you need is to be able to say no. Still sounds like you had a pretty good time overall!

[DonkeyPower]

During the three days in Kiev I got a few contacts through mamba and was still writing with my Tinder and Badoo matches. I met with one Tinder girl. She showed me some nice places. Unfortunately, I didn't make a move and also not on the second date. There was no time for a third. On mamba I became more aggressive and asked for a meeting quickly. Some girls immediately wrote their price, like 200 to 300 Euros for 1 hour, others wanted even more. Luckily I had other options. I got some apartment numbers near the city center. Of course I demanded photos, which they send me. After my first experience I was still suspicious, but I still went there. The two girls working there didn't look like on the pictures, but they were still hot, 6 or 7 maybe? I took a shower and was guided to a sparsely decorated room. The girl was a tall brunette, very shy at the beginning. I undressed her from behind and slowly started playing with her firm breasts while kissing her neck. Her lustful breathing was a turn on. Not so shy anymore, she threw me on the bed and gave me a BJ. It was really nice after all the failures. She then proceeded to mount and ride me furiously. She had a tight pussy. It was almost too much for me. I then took her, threw her on the bed and started finger blasting her while playing with her breasts. Her moaning was so sexy. We started kissing, extremely hot deep kisses. After a while she clung to me. I could feel her pussy contracting and then she threw her head back and yelled "She allowed me to do anything after that. I face fucked her and then finished in doggy position and finger fucked her some more from behind. She came again beautifully. The hour went by fast. At the door she gave me a hug and said come back again with a smile. I gave her 1800 UAH, which she took with a big smile.

The next day I called another apartment and, this time, wanted to see the girl at my hotel. Again, the same procedure, I demanded photos of the girls. However, I didn't like any of them. Before I cancelled the call, the operator told me there is another beautiful blonde, a bit more expensive though. I accepted without seeing her photos. As she got off the taxi I was relieved to see a young 7 or 8, a bit overdressed maybe. I also noticed in the first few seconds, this girl has attitude. And I was right. In my room I tried talking to her. She didn't tell me much, only that she plays volleyball. Kissing was also not possible, because she freshly put on make-up. For whom, I don't know. Whatever. In hindsight I should have kicked her out. She moaned and squirmed as I licked and fucked her but after a while she said her stomach hurts. Well at the end I didn't come. She at least gave a nice professional massage. It costed me 2000 UAH.

And the last number I got was from a 19 year old girl who actually wrote to me first. She said, she always wanted to be with a man like me. Of course that was flattering, even from a mouth of a semi-professional. I was a bit suspicious and didn't believe her photos were real but she proofed it with a video call. I proposed to give her 1600 UAH for one hour, but she instead proposed to stay overnight. When she finally arrived, I greeted her with a hug, she smiled and we went to my room. Luckily, the door guard was cool with it. Overall her face is a 6. It could be higher if she did some wellness and didn't put so much makeup on. Her body, on the other hand, was amazing. She did ballet in her youth and is now learning pole dancing. I really liked her personality, very playful and somewhat shy. We talked, listened to music and touched each other. After a while I proceeded to kiss her. She giggled at first, it stopped fast as the kisses got deeper. I pressed her towards me, sat on the bed and lifted her on my lap. She clung her arms around me while I kneaded her buttocks and pushed her towards me. She really enjoyed it as did I. I undressed her and went down on her slowly kissing her breasts, stomach, legs. She came hard and thanked me and a deepthroat BF. I wonder where she learned that. Well, we fucked for hours. Too bad she had to leave early for work. I gave her 3000 UAH. She was quite happy about it. The next day we met again and went to the New Year's Eve party. I didn't stay long though, since we had better things to do and because it was my last day in Kiev. On the next day we parted and I gave her another 3000 UAH. Then I took an Uber to the airport. Did you guys know that at 4 am Uber Black drivers drive around with Mercedes AMG see and S classes?

All in all it was a nice trip. But I am torn whether I should visit Kiev again. It was a lot of work to find women. The trip made me a bit more confident, but maybe there are better places to learn that like Sankt Petersburg or Moscow. I also think about going to African countries like Ghana, Uganda or Madagascar, hmmm.

[DonkeyPower]

I have been lurking in this forum for quite a while. The reports some of you guys posted motivated me to try it out and go to Ukraine at Christmas time for two weeks. It was my first mongering experience and I also suck with women. Some people would call me a typical German work-cyborg engineer. I am in my early thirties and good looking. Also, I am very muscular and tall. Like I said: a cyborg.

Before the trip I installed Tinder and Badoo and got a lot of matches. It was amazing for me, since here in Germany all I could get was like 10 matches in the first week and then nothing. Anyways this affirmed my intention. So I booked a flight to Kiev and planned to stay in L'viv for 4 days and then go to Kiev for the remaining days. Since I was born in Russia I know basic Russian, which I wanted to improve upon.

The next day I took the train to Kiev. I must say, the fast trains are really nice and very affordable. During the journey I searched for ways to somehow safe my trip. Some members here recommended mamba. So I tried it and started writing to some girls. Another recommendation was Rio. I was determined to go there. On the first two day however I just did sightseeing and ate at fancy restaurants. Almost every time I was completely alone. Here and there some shady mafia guys. But the waitresses were extremely hot and nice. Too bad I have the confidence of a teenage boy when it comes to women.

On the second night, it was Friday, I decided to go party a bit. At Shooters, there was ladies night, so I thought, why not. I arrived there at 11 pm, only the bar area was open for men until midnight. Again I was alone there. I talked with the bar keeper for over an hour. He mixed me some nice cocktails, kudos to him. At the dance area I was disappointed, so I left the place. Outside I saw some Arabian or Indian guys. They were rejected at the door, so they said. It was 1 am and the streets were completely empty but still I walked all the way to Rio. I entered Rio a bit nervous. There were a lot of bouncers. They complemented me on my clothes however: "Maybe because I almost looked like a bouncer myself. Inside some woman showed me around, very professional, I liked it. She led me to a nice table. Almost all strippers were beautiful, and almost all of them smiled and looked me straight in the eyes. There was one girl in particular, who wanted to come with me. It was a nice experience to get this much attention, maybe they see me as a money bag, but still. Never got this feeling in Germany before. So I just sat there and watched the girls while drinking. I had no idea what to do or how to get one of the girls home. There were also a few Turks there who gave the girls tips, I did that too. Sometime later one of the girls came to me and we talked a bit. She offered me a private dance, which I accepted. Said she will dance two songs, just for me. But that is the regular procedure. I could touch her anywhere. It was great and I thought I can take her to my room, but she didn't come back but instead an older chick, a friend and not even a stripper herself. She talked like a waterfall and insisted that I take her with me. The manager also looked all the time at my table to see how things are going. I was really pissed and left.

[Rammstein2]

I will be in Kiev end of April the 14th time in the last 3 years and I always used Mamba to get in touch with the girls. Nowadays I read about Tinder. Does anyone have experience with "Tinder" in Kiev? How does it work? Do you have to pay with paypal or Visa? What about the success rate?

[Limarian]

Memoirs of aged Monger. The final days in Kiev.

Day Two.

After my last 2016 visit Kiev has changed enormously-coffee places and restaurants everywhere, change bureaux, posh cars and posh shops. Many more people around. My luxury eatery Mocco has trebled its' prices. Taxis and full English type breakfast for £3 are still wonderful however-it's still an exciting destination, the UK is so cramped and congested.

After yesterday's semi-failure I wake at 3 am with a splitting headache and slitty Viagra eyes but after a shower I persuaded myself that all I needed was a bit of drug free intimacy to relax me so inevitably, despite my retirement plan I ordered a massage from Mouilin Rouge for 1500 plus 100 taxi. Again, deep fingering or kissing of this pleasant rather blousy blond were off the menu and the antiseptic spray she put on my hands (this is new!) was part of a depressing rigmarole. My fantasy of a gasping and responsive innocent babe losing it and pulling me passionately inside were not going to happen. Patient ministration with the vibrator I had thoughtfully included in my packing moistened her but I just couldn't get further and after a bit came half limply in her hands (what the eff is wrong with me these days? I used to be. Etc. Etc.) this is it, definitely it, if this is going to keep happening I am going home early and deleting all my porn bookmarks for sure). Later a walk round Podil-nice and quiet with a restful coffee bar on every corner and those fabulous mansion blocks-high ceilings-big doors-echoing staircases etc. One day Podil will be declared a world heritage site and be irretrievably tidied up. Back to the studio apt via a superb Caesar salad and drinks for 260 uah. The best. Great weather by the way, although humid-just too many hills for much walking in this town. Fell asleep reading 'Groovy Bob'.

[Limarian]

Day one.

I had promised myself a last bid for freedom before permanently retiring to God's sex free waiting room. After the usual nightmare on Wizzair I persuaded myself to contact the dispatcher recommended by an ISG colleague. After the usual struggle with translation and rude Russian type phone hang ups they understood my intentions and sent photos of prospects. One looked especially good, even for a heady 2500, but on turning up at the Baseina flat looked little like the photo's. Even 150 MG of Viagra failed to improve the sulky girl who refused kisses or deep fingering and it put me off. My temperamental and emotionally finely balanced lodger in the downstairs flat lost interest in the proceedings, shrugged and shut the door behind him. I did try and came just as she was putting on the rubber but these days I have to really want to make it work and unless it's special I couldn't care less.

Dinner at Mocco and a walk down Krschatic thinking 'Good, after that disaster now I can forget about this stupid sex stuff and get on with looking for a nice quiet flat in a French village' that I tell myself, but it was not to be. (continued).

[Rammstein2]

Sum it up, you can find whatever you want with some work. Ignore the negative idiots or you'll go crazy dealing with them.

Very, very wise words! If you want to have good results and want to get nice girls with a "normal budget" you have to invest time and work. If you do this and you try and try again even an over 50 year old man like me (but looking like an 45 old) will get a 21 year old "7" as a sponsored long term girlfriend.

[PhotoSlider]

Oh my friend, I also remember an Ukrainian be I T see H girl that wanted me to bring her an Armani perfume that costs almost 100 $. How ridiculous is that expectation? Needless to say that I did not meet her again.

Well, if she was your regular contact, and that was for a sleepover, and you had no better options with other girls, and especially if she wasn't forcing, but you did it on your own accord, then why not?

I mean, if you can afford it, and decided to do it without any demands from her, then it's perfectly fine. I bring good alcoholic beverages for my friends, sometimes relatively expensive, like 20 years old Armenian brandy to drink with ladies not higher than 19 years old, such is our tradition. Or even better, wine that is of the same year as someone's birthday. Which again is more affordable with ladies.

If you do not want to do it, and manage to meet the girls for pure love, and they are happily orgasmic in your hands, then it's just fine without any Armani.

But if a certain female thinks too much of herself as the next Princess to be worshiped, then "Sayonara, suckers! - I can find entertainment elsewhere.

BTW, Michi T, thanks for protecting my honor. Forum is smart enough to see that those pitiful, groundless and frequently faulty asseveration do not deserve to be dignified with our responses, because any of my arguments would feed only more misplaced troll frenzy, that rightfully belongs in "Stupid Shit" thread, that you mentioned.

Short and modest report by Knplyklstrfkho, explaining that he was happy with females in Kiev, brings 100 times more value than arguing back and forth. Then unlike my bubbling and dancing around, Vitrea goes straight to the point, asking details about the source of those slightly expensive yet very much fuckable ladies that were sample by our sincere associate.

Up to a point Forum is self-regulated healthy living organism. Let's keep it peaceful, but not silent).

Just wait till May, more action in the field will arrive! (Hopefully followed by informative and entertaining reports.

[Michi T]

If your girl will be happy with a 6's then go right ahead. Most that I know of don't want older models. No bragging rights there, they want the newest ones etc.

As for perfumes, I had a girl mention it to me how much she wanted VS Bombshell but couldn't afford it. She said if I got it for her that she'the stay all night and make it seem like our honeymoon LOL. Another made a similar offer for some Chanel #5. They want nice things, usually can't afford it and have no problem trading a night in bed for it.

Oh my friend, I also remember an Ukrainian be I T see H girl that wated me to bring her an Armani perfume that costs alomost 100 $. How ridiculous is that expectation? Needless to say that I did not meet her again.

[Michi T]

Yes, having iPhone X or XS bought for credit is typical, but not every Ukrainian has big ego.

Being realistic, this particular young lady suggested 6's herself. She has good manners, that's why I like her so much. Actually she said simply 6, not knowing that it bends.

Girls that try to set me up for iPhone or some other substantial expense have a short life span. I totally understand, that's how they operate, almost semi-automatically, but I do not want to be involved in their distorted perception of reality.

4500 would be 32 G or scratched, or 5's, or bent 6, instead of 6's.

She needs lots of memory for certain reasons. IMO the difference between 4500 UAH and 200 USD is not that radical. I happen to have for free 6's 128 G in great working condition, already tested in Kiev.

But technical parameters and prices wasn't really the question. Please read carefully my previous post.

Question 1: Should I?

Question 2: When?

Hey you dudes, I do not understand why you are hiting and blaming our dear forum brother "PhotoSlider". I totally agree with that gentleman. Why the hell would he want to buy a girl a cell phone?

[Vitrea]

I'm simply a sex tourist in Kiev and don't have the experience you guys have, but I have managed to snag a few hot looking girls in their 20's for between $100 to $200 an hour. That may not be a super cheap rate, but they were pretty hot. I would think the cost would have been twice as much in the West for equivalent hot girls.

Can you tell us where or how? Key info. Thank you.

[PhotoSlider]

As for perfumes, I had a girl mention it to me how much she wanted VS Bombshell but couldn't afford it. She said if I got it for her that she'the stay all night and make it seem like our honeymoon LOL. Another made a similar offer for some Chanel #5. They want nice things, usually can't afford it and have no problem trading a night in bed for it.

This is the precise picture, HornyA! And the moment I mentioned VS perfume to that girl today, the whole tone of our conversation has changed. Except we only discussed perfumes versus mist sprays. We didn't talk about sleeping together. No need to. With her attitude success is unavoidable.

This reminds me another girl this past December in Kiev, I am probably repeating myself, please forgive or ignore. She had too many drinks right before going to my place, and I decided to let her sleep it off. Then in the morning gave her proper non-alcoholic drinks for recovery and the towel for shower. In about 20 minutes, totally gorgeous, she found me in the kitchen. I asked if I should make her a breakfast. She looked at me funny, and without a word took me by the hand, and led into the bedroom. I want to see her in May for sure, very badly. Hopefully we shall meet, she agreed verbally.

I know one more member of the Forum. Bringing relatively modest gifts to his ladies in Kiev is followed by unwavering success.

Decent perfume and flowers, it never ceases to amaze me how much they change a good female. I am definitely buying new, not used or fake.