Kyiv

[AntonySun1996]

Or visit frequently enough.

Antony, despite my objections, I certainly respect your point of view and admire thoughtful analysis.

It takes considerable time to learn and love The City itself besides hidden gems and beauties. There was an enthusiastic report by rather energetic gentleman about a month ago. He had short time visit, great success and didn't like Kiev at all. He was the one advertising the book about chasing Models by Mark Manson. Tastes certainly differ. I like the book BTW, not all of it, but some analytical thoughts are so much better than obnoxious lines suggested by pickup predators / instructors.

IMO rejection of Kiev's exceptional beauty comes from not knowing it enough. I would be also the first to admit that I am heavily biased.

Agreed.

Ukraine is definitely worth exploring if you enjoy the game. Besides sex, the process of mongering itself is considered pleasurable by many people.

[Riina]

Also, we have to consider the time wasted and the opportunity costs incurred. Even if sex is your primary purpose of visiting Kiev, you cannot fuck 24/7. If you fuck, say, two hours each day, how are you going to spend the rest 22 hours? Visit some Kiev Rus relics or Soviet monuments? The time could be spend more wisely at home.

Depends who you are. I have no idea why a college age guy like you Anthony would be in Kiev without a legitimate business reason. But for grown up guys with no interest to work and just want to enjoy life, Kiev can be awesome with all the fun to be had.

[DramaFree11]

I do agree there are many things to do in Kiev, very cheap, (Unless you are trying to spend a lot of money), the city is very safe, easy to find good food and the weather is good for most of the year.

We will have to disagree on the girls, many better places to go then Ukraine.

Or visit frequently enough.

Antony, despite my objections, I certainly respect your point of view and admire thoughtful analysis.

It takes considerable time to learn and love The City itself besides hidden gems and beauties. There was an enthusiastic report by rather energetic gentleman about a month ago. He had short time visit, great success and didn't like Kiev at all. He was the one advertising the book about chasing Models by Mark Manson. Tastes certainly differ. I like the book BTW, not all of it, but some analytical thoughts are so much better than obnoxious lines suggested by pickup predators / instructors.

IMO rejection of Kiev's exceptional beauty comes from not knowing it enough. I would be also the first to admit that I am heavily biased.

[PhotoSlider]

In fact I already sent a comment on her page at Gia, but they also don't post whistle blowers' comments.

I routinely blow the whistle about their so called "typos". When it makes the girl backwards calculated age under 18- they adjust it without giving me any barter credit for doing their QC job.

Sometimes they post fake reports on the subject of "who cares about the girl's age!

I do.

They have a script or maybe manually adjust posted age at New Year's Day for the whole agency. When the girl leaves, her age is not adjusted. When she returns, especially when she changes her stage name, GIA runs into errors. On purpose. Some girls have their age on medical test documents, some do not. GIA also says that some girls lie about their age to protect identity, which is justifiable.

Either way as long as we keep ordering, and business is profitable, they'll keep lying.

[BounceWithMe]

This is a quick report on my last tour. I tried few different sources to find proper girls but eventually struck with GIA. The point is that I prefer longer session about four hours or even longer, but never keep the girl overnight. Lack of BBBJ, DATY and DFK are deal breakers for me. There are a couple of optional requirements: freshly shaved / epilated pussy and DIGITS. I am not a big fan of GREEK, but I like to have this option to know that I am not restricted if I want to.

There is a belief that GIA is a very expensive option. It is expensive if you book the girls for one hour and don't care about DFK and BBBJ. However, if you prefer to stay longer, GIA prices look quite reasonable. A four-hour session with DFK, BBBJ, DATY and more start at 8000 UAH, which means modest 2000 UAH / hour.

I tried another agency that supposed to be more affordable than GIA. The girls are ranged between 1500 and 2500 UAH / HR, which is significantly less than GIA's first-hour range between 4000 and 6000 UAH / HR. But GIA's rate includes DFK and BBBJ. That "affordable" agency charges +1000 UAH for DFK and +1000 UAH for BBBJ. It brings the price up to 4000 UAH / HR. No words on DATY and DIGITS, no confidence in girls' look and service and each hour cost the same: 4000 UAH. It means that four-hour session with my minimal abbreviations will fall to 16000 UAH, which is twice more expensive that GIA's entry level 8000 UAH / HR. my next venue will be based on GIA as well, but I will try some indys using reviews on local review board.

And I thought I was a relatively experienced monger. So much for that as I didn't even know what numerous acronyms you cited mean. Greek, digits? You sir are a machine. Good report.

[Sorbonne]

All escort agencies fudge age. I wouldn't call it a fraud.

I was just reporting what I thought was a funny story.

In fact I already sent a comment on her page at Gia, but they also don't post whistle blowers' comments.

[DramaFree11]

Everybody in Kiev lies, this should not be a shock.

I haven't been here for a while but am back to report a definite fraud at Gia.

Gia is supposed to be the only agency in Kiev that provides customers with truthful information. But in this case, in fact, it's funny.

A few days ago Gia announced that this girl named Ksusha, whom I've never met, was back to work at Gia. I said, wow, she's been with Gia for a long time and looked at her age: 20. LOL.

She has a lot of comments, and I looked at the earliest one, complete with a topless photo, which was posted almost 4 years ago. So that makes her how old at that time?

Gia is most likely lying; she must be at least 22 now.

[Riina]

I haven't been here for a while but am back to report a definite fraud at Gia.

Gia is supposed to be the only agency in Kiev that provides customers with truthful information. But in this case, in fact, it's funny.

A few days ago Gia announced that this girl named Ksusha, whom I've never met, was back to work at Gia. I said, wow, she's been with Gia for a long time and looked at her age: 20. LOL.

She has a lot of comments, and I looked at the earliest one, complete with a topless photo, which was posted almost 4 years ago. So that makes her how old at that time?

Gia is most likely lying; she must be at least 22 now.

All escort agencies fudge age. I wouldn't call it a fraud.

[Sorbonne]

I haven't been here for a while but am back to report a definite fraud at Gia.

Gia is supposed to be the only agency in Kiev that provides customers with truthful information. But in this case, in fact, it's funny.

A few days ago Gia announced that this girl named Ksusha, whom I've never met, was back to work at Gia. I said, wow, she's been with Gia for a long time and looked at her age: 20. LOL.

She has a lot of comments, and I looked at the earliest one, complete with a topless photo, which was posted almost 4 years ago. So that makes her how old at that time?

Gia is most likely lying; she must be at least 22 now.

[DramaFree11]

Excellent report. I feel most guys are just not honest in how much effort and time they put into to meet marginal girls in Kiev. If you go in with low to marginal expectation, you may enjoy yourself, but it is just too far to travel and expensive to meet average girls. When you add your time, expenses you are paying way more then you think. There are many better options.

Totally good point. Still have something to add though.

I agree that the white pussies in Ukraine are much cheaper than the same pussies in New York or Dubai, or it appears.

However, there are still some other costs we have to consider.

Yes in Ukraine the girls don't have to pay for the flight or the hotel which can partly explain why the Ukrainian pussies are cheaper in Ukraine than elsewhere, but instead, you do.

Also, we have to consider the time wasted and the opportunity costs incurred. Even if sex is your primary purpose of visiting Kiev, you cannot fuck 24/7. If you fuck, say, two hours each day, how are you going to spend the rest 22 hours? Visit some Kiev Rus relics or Soviet monuments? The time could be spend more wisely at home.

And yes, there are hidden gems in Ukraine, maybe at a large amount. But still, most of them are not easy to discover and not available for foreigners. To find them and make them available to you, you have to take a lot of efforts, EG. To learn Russian, to spend more time in Ukraine, etc, and these efforts also mean costs.

Beside costs, there are risks. By risks I do not mean its likely you will get kidnapped or shot. It is likely, however, that you lose your local contacts that took you much efforts to build. As far as I know, it appears that many Ukrainian girls do not involve in this business for a long time. Some gems just offer sex in exchange for money during financial emergencies. Even if you managed to find the gems, it would also take some efforts to keep them, and you have bear the risks of losing them.

I do think these costs and risks are worthwhile if you live in Ukraine for a long time though.

[PhotoSlider]

I do think these costs and risks are worthwhile if you live in Ukraine for a long time though.

Or visit frequently enough.

Antony, despite my objections, I certainly respect your point of view and admire thoughtful analysis.

It takes considerable time to learn and love The City itself besides hidden gems and beauties. There was an enthusiastic report by rather energetic gentleman about a month ago. He had short time visit, great success and didn't like Kiev at all. He was the one advertising the book about chasing Models by Mark Manson. Tastes certainly differ. I like the book BTW, not all of it, but some analytical thoughts are so much better than obnoxious lines suggested by pickup predators / instructors.

IMO rejection of Kiev's exceptional beauty comes from not knowing it enough. I would be also the first to admit that I am heavily biased.

[PhotoSlider]

Yes in Ukraine the girls don't have to pay for the flight or the hotel which can partly explain why the Ukrainian pussies are cheaper in Ukraine than elsewhere, but instead, you do.

Also, we have to consider the time wasted and the opportunity costs incurred. Even if sex is your primary purpose of visiting Kiev, you cannot fuck 24/7. If you fuck, say, two hours each day, how are you going to spend the rest 22 hours? Visit some Kiev Rus relics or Soviet monuments? The time could be spend more wisely at home.

Cost of transportation is factored in anywhere you go, unless mongering coincides with a business trip or any other travel objective. Another alternative is to do what Riina discovered. Find Ukrainian girls closer to your residence.

I do not fuck for two hours each day. Jymondor stated his GIA sessions are 4-5 hours every day. Factor in time to get ready before the girl arrives, and unwinding after she leaves. My session are 6-10 hours, sometimes multiple days.

Kiev GFs stay with me 24 x 2 or x 3, sometimes it is 24 x 7 or even 10 days. I do not consider this as time wasted, why would I stay with a girl for 24 hours If I do not enjoy her company? She is relatively easy to replace.

If I am not attached to anybody for a longer period, and go with hourly call girls, then it's at least 2 girls in 24 hours which translates into 3-4 hours. Having 3 or 4 girls in 24 hours is not extraordinary. On the contrary most of the time it is an enjoyable experience. Anticipation of a new beauty, getting to know each other, learning what she likes (in bed and outside), assessing if she is worthwhile to keep long-term. She does the same. How courtship can be wasteful?

And as far as spending time in Kiev besides our major objective please give me an example of what can be done in Madrid or New York or Paris and cannot be done in Kiev? Culturally it is one of the richest cities in the world. Major performers visit routinely. Food is amazing and affordable. Sightseeing, dozens and dozens of Theaters, Cathedrals, Monasteries, Art Galleries, architecture, amazing museums and temporary exhibitions, great parks and botanical gardens. How many times did you visit lingerie fashion show outside of Kiev? What about good rock concert or classic music event for a fraction of cost? Any type of dance. Contemporary, folk, classic ballet. Maybe a good educated escort would help to show what Kiev really is. And I do not mean the usual tourist attractions even though those are great too. I hire those guides occasionally without expecting any sex favors. I also know about Kiev quite a bit myself because I always read a lot about cities I visit anywhere in the world.

Forget soviet era monuments, most of them are being removed anyways, but what can be more beautiful than spending half a day watching young girls strolling around while you decide whether you want to hit on any of them or simply relax for now? Is it achievable in any other city? Yes. With a different degree of success in certain types of activities and associated cost.

Going to Kiev for two hours of mating a day is certainly waste of time. Definitely agree with that. And that is what more likely to happen in a smaller cities. Again all depends on your own personality and of those that you manage to attract.

And yes, there are hidden gems in Ukraine, maybe at a large amount. But still, most of them are not easy to discover and not available for foreigners. To find them and make them available to you, you have to take a lot of efforts, EG. To learn Russian, to spend more time in Ukraine, etc. , and these efforts also mean costs.

Correct. Reaching the goal through the obstacles makes it more enjoyable for some of us. The alternative is drive-through FKK in Germany.

Learning local language, being it Ukrainian or Russian or Spanish or Portuguese, opens many more doors. English is the language of international communication, and more so with every year passing in Kiev, but it means you are likely to pay more.

Beside costs, there are risks. By risks I do not mean its likely you will get kidnapped or shot. It is likely, however, that you lose your local contacts that took you much efforts to build. As far as I know, it appears that many Ukrainian girls do not involve in this business for a long time. Some gems just offer sex in exchange for money during financial emergencies. Even if you managed to find the gems, it would also take some efforts to keep them, and you have bear the risks of losing them.

I do think these costs and risks are worthwhile if you live in Ukraine for a long time though.

That is rather unfortunate indeed. I lost the brightest gems in my collection over time, because some graduated, some got married, some changed their phone numbers, some changed their attitude and I do not want to see them myself. I like it both ways though. The thrill of 2-3-4 call girls a day plus keeping dynamic pool of 5-6 GFs available as an insurance, and working on getting it up-to-date, adding newly fresh ones and retiring jaded oldies.

It takes time and effort. Kiev may give a false impression of easily available affordable pleasure, but it is very competitive in more than one dimension.

[AntonySun1996]

Agree with your metaphor only to a certain degree. Statistically what you say is true.

But why high quality Emeralds in Brazil are cheaper than in New York? Because it is closer to emerald mines, and mark up is certainly much lower because overhead is not as high yet. As you say the best gems are distributed globally, whoever can buy them. Still high quality emeralds are available and much cheaper in Brazil than in US.

Same applies to girls. Mulatto in New York is 2-3 times more expensive than in Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paolo.

Is it easier to walk into a 47th street jewelry store, speak English and then pull out your credit card? Yes it is. The whole process is regulated and there is a cost of convenience.

Is it possible to do the same in Brazil? Yes. You would pay for round-trip flight, for hotel. Then H Stern marketing people will find you right there in the hotel lobby, even provide free transportation to their gorgeous showroom with complimentary caipirinha drinks, beautiful young earrings models and no obligation to buy anything..

Totally good point. Still have something to add though.

I agree that the white pussies in Ukraine are much cheaper than the same pussies in New York or Dubai, or it appears.

However, there are still some other costs we have to consider.

Yes in Ukraine the girls don't have to pay for the flight or the hotel which can partly explain why the Ukrainian pussies are cheaper in Ukraine than elsewhere, but instead, you do.

Also, we have to consider the time wasted and the opportunity costs incurred. Even if sex is your primary purpose of visiting Kiev, you cannot fuck 24/7. If you fuck, say, two hours each day, how are you going to spend the rest 22 hours? Visit some Kiev Rus relics or Soviet monuments? The time could be spend more wisely at home.

And yes, there are hidden gems in Ukraine, maybe at a large amount. But still, most of them are not easy to discover and not available for foreigners. To find them and make them available to you, you have to take a lot of efforts, EG. To learn Russian, to spend more time in Ukraine, etc. , and these efforts also mean costs.

Beside costs, there are risks. By risks I do not mean its likely you will get kidnapped or shot. It is likely, however, that you lose your local contacts that took you much efforts to build. As far as I know, it appears that many Ukrainian girls do not involve in this business for a long time. Some gems just offer sex in exchange for money during financial emergencies. Even if you managed to find the gems, it would also take some efforts to keep them, and you have bear the risks of losing them.

I do think these costs and risks are worthwhile if you live in Ukraine for a long time though.

[Jymondor]

This is a quick report on my last tour. I tried few different sources to find proper girls but eventually struck with GIA. The point is that I prefer longer session about four hours or even longer, but never keep the girl overnight. Lack of BBBJ, DATY and DFK are deal breakers for me. There are a couple of optional requirements: freshly shaved / epilated pussy and DIGITS. I am not a big fan of GREEK, but I like to have this option to know that I am not restricted if I want to.

There is a belief that GIA is a very expensive option. It is expensive if you book the girls for one hour and don't care about DFK and BBBJ. However, if you prefer to stay longer, GIA prices look quite reasonable. A four-hour session with DFK, BBBJ, DATY and more start at 8000 UAH, which means modest 2000 UAH / hour.

I tried another agency that supposed to be more affordable than GIA. The girls are ranged between 1500 and 2500 UAH / HR, which is significantly less than GIA's first-hour range between 4000 and 6000 UAH / HR. But GIA's rate includes DFK and BBBJ. That "affordable" agency charges +1000 UAH for DFK and +1000 UAH for BBBJ. It brings the price up to 4000 UAH / HR. No words on DATY and DIGITS, no confidence in girls' look and service and each hour cost the same: 4000 UAH. It means that four-hour session with my minimal abbreviations will fall to 16000 UAH, which is twice more expensive that GIA's entry level 8000 UAH / HR.

After those very simple calculations, I called GIA and never regret. As I book the girl, I ask the dispatch to make sure that DIGITS allowed, and the pussy is smooth. She always obliged.

I wanted to try something new and brought from Canada Nuru gel and Nuru plastic bed cover. I wanted to try Nuru FS with the Ukrainian girls since this service is crazy expensive in Toronto. If you don't know what Nuru means, google video "nuru massage" or even better "Asa Akira nuru massage" to find how sharp is that.

Below are my quick reviews. I speak both Russian and Ukrainian, so if I said "perfect talker" it means not in English, but in Russian mostly. I do not describe girls' appearance since photo and description on GIA's website are accurate.

Day 1. Zhanna, GIA.

Rather milfy, soft body. Great service: DFK, BBBJ with DT and BLS, CFS, DATY, FIV, FIA, GREEK, Pussy Slide, Italian. Everything was perfect. She accepted any positions in both FS and GREEK. I would say Zhanna was the best GREEK provider in that venue. Also, she is a perfect talker. Damage 10,000 UAH /4 hrs including extra for GREEK. The only girl in Kiev I repeat. I cannot explain why. She is neither really good looker nor the best performer, but it did click with her. Some special chemistry. Zhanna is rather soft PSE than GFE.

Day 2. Masha, GIA.

Really good looking girls. Perfect body. Formerly massage parlour attendant. She talked non-stop while massaged me but I did not listen. Some silly girly stuff. The massage was perfect. No FIA and very superficial FIV was allowed. DFK, BBBJ, no DT or BLS but great HJ on the balls and, perfect Body-Slide with the oil (she did not want to try Nuru gel. CFS in any positions. No GREEK. Damage 9500 UAH /4 hrs. No extras, just higher rate girl.

Day 3. Nastya, Indy.

She was recommended on the local forum. Perfect body, GND face, 23 years. Average skills. The first girl, I tried Nuru. She really liked it. Orgasmed few times due to tight body friction over her clit. This is normal in Nuru practice. DFK, BBBJ, FIV, CFS, perfect Body Slide with Nuru gel. I had to guide her through the process since her experience is still limited. GFE with some elements of PSE. Damage 6200 UAH / hrs including taxi. Definitely to repeat, but I am afraid that her price could go up because she is well reviewed and getting too popular.

Day 4. Nina, GIA.

The most sophisticated girls I saw in Kiev so far. She looks rather like an office lady than an escort girl. Perfect talker. I was quite tired after first three days of vigorous sex with two SOGs every day. So session with Nina started rather relaxing with lots of talking. But eventually it turned vigorous at the second SOG. She refused nuru and even oily body-slide blaming possible irritation on her skin. But the session was one of the best even without. Also we tried light FF with some moment going hard. I cum with FF deep into her throat, which is a very rare threat. FF+CIM with such a beautiful and innocent looking face is something I will remember for long time.

She was the first girl in this venue who did a shower for two. DFK, BBBJ + DT + FF + CIMx2, FIV, FIA, CFS, GREEK. The most expensive session of that venue: 12,200 UAH /5 hrs including GREEK and CIMx2. Very special girl. Real GFE performing many PSE abbreviations, which is a rare treat.

Day 5. Dominica the feature of the venue.

Dominica is the best reviewed GIA girl. She is known as the best performer, nymphomaniac, and a toy lower. First two hours she leads the session demonstrating virtually unlimited skills. Her service included all nasty stuff you can imagine excluding GREEK. Excellent BBBJ with DT, FF and gagging. Reverse FF with her laying on her back hanging her head down and me f**king her into the throat. Fisting initiated by her. 69 in very unusual positions, toys. Intensive FS with her multiple orgasms, vaginal muscles contractions, screaming and moaning.

I guided second round. I proposed Nuru massage followed with another intensive FS with all abbreviations. It was one of the best PSE sessions in my history. I mean real PSE, nothing about GFE. Damage 9500 UAH /4 hrs (8000 UAH base price, +1000 CIM, +500 tip for all those abbreviations that usually paid options but she never mentions about any extras). Definitely to repeat, Highly recommended for PSE lowers.

Day 6. Eva.

Initially, I tried to book Zhenia, but she refused my request about DIGITS. Eva was a plan be. She is a petite girl with the firm body and silky skin. All skills are average, but she followed all my guides and this makes the session great. After watching Nuru video with Asa Akira Eva enthusiastically accepted my proposal to try it. Nuru massage was originated in Japan and better suits petite girls. Eva with her petite stretched body and her enthusiasm was the best Nuru companion in that venue. We were playing each with other until all gel in the bottle gone and dried out on our bodies. The session lasted 5. 5 hours. Besides Nuru we did DFK, BBBJ with BLS and HJ, CFS, FIV, FIA, Body Slide. No DT, no FF. Eva is rather GFE. Some PSE elements were initiated by me and accepted by her. Damage 7350/5. 5 hrs. This is because she was 40 min late and according to GIA's policy they provided a generous discount.

Day 7. Repeat with Zhanna.

All in all, it was an exciting venue. Not cheap, but I got what I wanted and even more. I did not even try to find semi-pro on Mamba or Vkontakte. I prefer the shortest way: one call, one girl with no disappointments and unpleasant surprises.

It seems that my next venue will be based on GIA as well, but I will try some indys using reviews on local review board.

[Tomek123]

Just that Ukraine has a large amount of beauties doesn't mean you can fuck a stunning beauty at a cheap price in Ukraine.

This is easy to understand.

Think about the reasons why you can't buy a diamond at a price of a stone in Kimberley, South Africa.

A diamond is a diamond and as long as a diamond can move globally with negligible marginal transport costs, it doesn't make much difference on its price wether you buy it in Kimberley or New York.

The 'stones' in Kiev might be much cheaper than in elsewhere but the 'diamonds' aren't.

I agree, but show me such a "white" country where you can buy a diamond for ridiculous money? I think that such countries remained probably only in Africa. Perhaps in Botswana or Swaziland, or Rwanda. Where people work for 30 dollars a month. I agree that a very beautiful pussy in Ukraine is more expensive than in Africa. But perhaps in Philadelphia a beautiful pussy is cheaper than in Kharkov? Or in Chicago? If guys from the US and Europe continue to rent apartments in Kiev, then they're fucking someone. I fucked this blonde 19 years for 2000 hryvnia. In Poland such a girl will be much more expensive. And Polish girls are not so beautiful as Ukrainian women.