Kyiv

[Rugga]

So where are these hot ex-pat non-pro women now? Poland? Romania? And how can we connect with them? Are there Ukrainian web-sites or networks where you can meet Ukrainian women who have relocated to Europe or America?

They are all over European cities having the time of their lives. They are scamming local men who don't know the Ukrainian girl character and motives. These women go on dating apps meet guys get taken to expensive restaurants, bars, holidays even. And they dont offer any sex. They only want to use your wallet.

In the last year I've met this type of Ukrainian girls in Berlin, Warsaw, Krakow, Barcelona, London and Tbilisi. I know their game because I have been to Ukraine several times before the war. This is what typically happens:

You match, chat a bit, suggest meeting, she plays dumb and doesn't know this city, but she loves seafood or steak. Gullible local guy takes her out spends a lot on her. They continue chatting. Same on second date third date. And she is doing this to multiple men.

One example is in Berlin there are many Ukrainians. I matched agreed to meet and decide what to do. I took her to an ordinary cafe. Because I know she is very likely out to scam me if she can. After we go for a walk and she pops into pharmacy and gets lots of stuff. Suddenly her card doesn't work. She asks me if I can help buy medicine, hardly any medicine there, mostly cosmetic stuff. I say no sorry you'll have to sort your card out then do your shopping. We exit the pharmacy walk, she says she got a message must go and hops onto tram. Within 5 minutes I'm unmatched and blocked. Cunts. Relatively rich local guys are getting used by these 'poor refugee' girls.

Why do I go on these dates if I know what these women are about? There is a small chance you can establish contact keep in touch and she may take her pants down. And I have fucked two like this but only because I tempted them with a possible holiday in a few weeks time. Then regrettably my employer refused me the time off. Hahahaha ; )

Be careful with Ukrainian girls in European cities. Because old habits die hard and these girls are the most manipulative and cunning in the whole world.

[Cheeky Darky]

Whats their price range in Clubs like Czar or Red Square in Moscow hotel in Dubai?

From a club. Anywhere from 1000 AED (approx 280 USD) through to 2000 aed. For a LT (which does usually only translate to 3 or 4 hours.

Massage Republic you can check yourself. But circa 1200 AED for 1 hour.

Head over to the UAE forums to check it out. Frequent updates.

[Muddy7]

There are no brothels or RLD in Dubai. You will find lot of Ukranian girls in Clubs like Czar or Red Square in Moscow hotel. You have to take them to your hotels or apartments. You will find them also on Massage Republic where you can meet them in their apartments. Tinder is full of them. After war in Ukraine the Russians and Ukranian girls have multiplied in numbers in Dubai.

Whats their price range in Clubs like Czar or Red Square in Moscow hotel in Dubai?

[Muddy7]

First, I never once used an escort agency in Ukraine. I never trusted them and thought their prices were too inflated. There was enough independent girls online that escort services were superfluous, especially since I was living full-time in the capital city. I even sponsored a university girl I met worked my at a Silpo in Shuliavska..

I used GIA over 50 times, now called escort. Vc.

I don't use it any more because:

1- now they charge you to see photos of girls.

2- many fake photos.

3- their prices are way too high, forget it, its doubled.

4- their operator is now a DICK, dumbass.

[Rodeo9112]

Thank you for your well thought out response. This was exactly the insight I was hoping for. Not worth traveling so far out of my way and into danger for such meager (at best) savings.

As I've stated previously, I lived in Kyiv for eight years. Before the Revolution of Dignity, during and after. And eventually left Ukraine days after Putin's misadventure commenced. I'm sure mongering in Kyiv is different now as compared to February 23,2002, but in what ways I can only guess as I'm now too long out of Ukraine. What I can do is relate to you my experiences with women in Ukraine before the war and try to make assumptions of what might be happening now.

First, I never once used an escort agency in Ukraine. I never trusted them and thought their prices were too inflated. There was enough independent girls online that escort services were superfluous, especially since I was living full-time in the capital city. I even sponsored a university girl I met worked my at a Silpo in Shuliavska.

With that said, let's get to the numbers. You mentioned girls are asking 2400 UAH for one hour and which works out to be about 65 USD. For a girl in the capital, that's a very fair price, some might suggest even cheap. However, that's the price point where you could be pleasantly surprised or disappointed when you actually meet her. In eight years, I only agreed to meet three women at that price range and while they were certainly worth a fuck, they were not repeat material. All university girls, by the way, but you'll find single mothers who live in villages near Kyiv willing to come in the city and fuck you for that price.

[Gopnik]

As I've stated previously, I lived in Kyiv for eight years. Before the Revolution of Dignity, during and after. And eventually left Ukraine days after Putin's misadventure commenced. I'm sure mongering in Kyiv is different now as compared to February 23,2002, but in what ways I can only guess as I'm now too long out of Ukraine. What I can do is relate to you my experiences with women in Ukraine before the war and try to make assumptions of what might be happening now.

First, I never once used an escort agency in Ukraine. I never trusted them and thought their prices were too inflated. There was enough independent girls online that escort services were superfluous, especially since I was living full-time in the capital city. I even sponsored a university girl I met worked my at a Silpo in Shuliavska.

With that said, let's get to the numbers. You mentioned girls are asking 2400 UAH for one hour and which works out to be about 65 USD. For a girl in the capital, that's a very fair price, some might suggest even cheap. However, that's the price point where you could be pleasantly surprised or disappointed when you actually meet her. In eight years, I only agreed to meet three women at that price range and while they were certainly worth a fuck, they were not repeat material. All university girls, by the way, but you'll find single mothers who live in villages near Kyiv willing to come in the city and fuck you for that price.

In general, the prices you mentioned would not get you much in Kyiv before the war, and you have to be ready to be disappointed as it's really hit and miss.

Any quality university girl I sponsored wanted 100 USD minimum per meeting. I could have gotten cheaper but I wanted a quality piece of ass. A much hotter girl or woman wanted 150 USD.

Now there is a war on. This has to be taken into consideration. Many women have left and many foreign men, too (although my contacts have recently told me many foreigners have returned). What this has done to the market is both intriguing and uncertain. I hope to visit myself in autumn and see what's happening and write a report.

My final advice? If you have the time, try meeting some of those girls at the prices you mentioned and who knows what you'll find, but don't limit yourself. Try the Tinder and Mamba app while in Kyiv and see what's out there. I found some cheap but good fucks on Mamba but on Tinder there are usually more expensive yet higher quality women. In fact, the sexiest woman I sponsored or fucked while in Kyiv I found on Tinder and wanted 150 USD per meeting and was worth every penny. I found a stunning, full figured teen redhead in university on Mamba for 100 USD per meeting but she couldn't meet as often as I wanted to.

Last piece of advice, find a flat or hotel beside a metro station in case of a missile attack. This is their reality.

[Jmsuttr]

Hey there fellow deviants. New to this Ukraine board but many years of mongering in Latin America. Sooo, in conjunction with a recent Europe trip, I noticed a lack of expected Ukrainian working girls that I hoped to find in Central Europe. Therefore, upon my return home, I began to look at the current status of bordering crossings into western Ukraine, along with the prevalence of wartime violence in western areas. As you all were probably already aware, it's pretty quiet out west and border crossings are all open. So, after reading some postings in the General Info and Other Areas sections of this board, I checked out UKRGo dot com to see what was on offer. My thought is to possibly visit Lviv, entering from eastern Poland. My thought was to contact working girls in Kiev in order to refine my contact approach. I sent messages via my Czech Republic WhatsApp number, without a face photo on the profile. I also wrote to the girls in Ukrainian (using Google translate) in order to muddy my American origin. I wrote to 6 girls in Kiev and 2 girls in Lviv. I noticed there were multiple profiles of different girls with the same numbers. Does that mean they are just completely fake profiles or are they "agencies" that provide multiple girls? Anyway, I tried to get to pricing as quickly as possible before they started to ask where I'm located or where I'm from. I told one girl I was in a small town on the Ukrainian side of the border but that I was coming to Kiev for our appointment. I also told each girl that I was willing to pay 1500 UAH for a short time (1-2 hours) or 3000 UAH for overnight. Most girls seemed to want 2400 UAH for an hour. Although one sent me what appeared to be a set price list: 1200 UAH / HR sex; 700 UAH BJ only; 3200 UAH for overnight. These seem like pretty fair prices. Would you guys with pre-war experience in Ukraine agree. Is that a good price point or should I negotiate down more? There were also some prices to buy content which of course I am not interested in. Anxious to hear wisdom from the vets. Thanks in advance!

FWIW, "prevalence of wartime violence in western areas" is a misleading metric. All of Ukraine is a war zone. That's because there is no part of Ukraine that is not within range of Russian missiles, bombs, and drones. It's a false sense of security to think that everything will be fine because the physical battlefield isn't close by.

The fact that a particular area isn't currently experiencing bombardment is no guarantee that it won't. Things can change in an instant and the people who make the attack decisions, namely Putin and his generals, are not in the habit of giving advance notice.

Here's a timeline of attacks that have targeted the Lviv area:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E...ombing_of_Lviv

Kyiv has been attacked on many more occasions. So much so that I couldn't find a single timeline of Kyiv attacks. Every article I looked at dealt with barrages that happened on specific dates. But take the Lviv info as a baseline, and multiply it many times over. Maybe another forum member has an article or site with a good list of dates and locations of Kyiv attacks. If so, please share.

The fact that barrages are not happening right now could have a few possible explanations. Maybe Russia is running low on missiles? Maybe they're saving their missiles for use against Ukrainian forces during the counterattack that many believe will be launched this Spring? Or maybe they're stockpiling missiles to use in barrages on dates that have high symbolic value (like May 9th)?

The point is that nobody knows. And nobody has a crystal ball. So, for anyone who doesn't absolutely need to be in Ukraine right now, you're essentially rolling the dice. Maybe those dice will roll in your favor, or maybe they won't. It's truly a crapshoot!

Everyone is certainly entitled to decide for themselves if the risk is worth it. But how bizarre would it be to find oneself on the wrong side of a missile bombardment, all for the sake of a little pussy? Especially since pussy is a commodity readily found worldwide.

And, while I certainly understand that the odds of being in the wrong place at the wrong time may be low. It's worth remembering that all or most of the people who have been killed in past attacks probably felt the same way. A quick web search on the topic will show cars destroyed in the middle of the street, burned out residential buildings, shredded shopping areas, and decimated transit stops. Those people probably felt the odds were in their favor. May they rest in peace.

[Rodeo9112]

Hey there fellow deviants. New to this Ukraine board but many years of mongering in Latin America. Sooo, in conjunction with a recent Europe trip, I noticed a lack of expected Ukrainian working girls that I hoped to find in Central Europe. Therefore, upon my return home, I began to look at the current status of bordering crossings into western Ukraine, along with the prevalence of wartime violence in western areas. As you all were probably already aware, it's pretty quiet out west and border crossings are all open. So, after reading some postings in the General Info and Other Areas sections of this board, I checked out UKRGo dot com to see what was on offer. My thought is to possibly visit Lviv, entering from eastern Poland. My thought was to contact working girls in Kiev in order to refine my contact approach. I sent messages via my Czech Republic WhatsApp number, without a face photo on the profile. I also wrote to the girls in Ukrainian (using Google translate) in order to muddy my American origin. I wrote to 6 girls in Kiev and 2 girls in Lviv. I noticed there were multiple profiles of different girls with the same numbers. Does that mean they are just completely fake profiles or are they "agencies" that provide multiple girls? Anyway, I tried to get to pricing as quickly as possible before they started to ask where I'm located or where I'm from. I told one girl I was in a small town on the Ukrainian side of the border but that I was coming to Kiev for our appointment. I also told each girl that I was willing to pay 1500 UAH for a short time (1-2 hours) or 3000 UAH for overnight. Most girls seemed to want 2400 UAH for an hour. Although one sent me what appeared to be a set price list: 1200 UAH / HR sex; 700 UAH BJ only; 3200 UAH for overnight. These seem like pretty fair prices. Would you guys with pre-war experience in Ukraine agree. Is that a good price point or should I negotiate down more? There were also some prices to buy content which of course I am not interested in. Anxious to hear wisdom from the vets. Thanks in advance!

[Jmsuttr]

Both those dates are holidays in Russia, with May 9th (Victory Day) being especially significant. Putin loves symbolism, and I've seen some reports that Russia might be stockpiling missiles for possible attacks on one, or both, of those dates.

To be sure, it's all unverified internet chatter, but it doesn't hurt to be aware of the possibility. Anyone currently in Ukraine should keep these dates in mind, as well as dates just before and after, and pay good attention to any sirens and warnings. Some Russian cities have cancelled their Victory Day celebrations, and a missile barrage might be Putin's gift to them and a way to make a show of strength.

Wishing health and safety to all in Ukraine!

[Jmsuttr]

The delusional one is you. Ukranians love their country. After the child kidnapping, HIV infected prison infantry and rashists have been kicked the fuck out, most of Europe will fund the reconstruction of Ukraine, and that land will be a place for business, commerce and more.

So in all likelihood, the people who have said that they will return, will do exactly that. Many people already returned from Poland for example, and more will do so later.

Keep your RuZZian politics out of this thread, and use the other one that's meant for off topic.

Assuming a post-war reconstruction effort happens, that will likely result in a shit-ton of money flooding into Ukraine. There will also likely be a parade of Western companies opening local offices and competing for business. In other words, a boom-town environment.

If that happens, some (many?) Ukrainians who have settled elsewhere could be incentivized to return to take advantage of new opportunities. So, in addition to motivational factors like family ties and patriotism, economic factors should also be a magnet.

What that could mean for the mongering scene is that, with so much money sloshing around, and with more alternatives available to women, prices will likely go higher (maybe much higher). That will be great for the country but will suck for mongers in Ukraine, and not in a good way. I'm sure there will be a chorus bemoaning the passing of the "good old days," but that's likely to be the reality, so best to be mentally prepared.

OTOH, those who are looking for a Ukrainian sugar-baby, girlfriend, or wife, might find a target-rich environment. One tragic outcome of this war is that tens of thousands of young and middle-aged Ukrainian men have gone to their eternal rest. In such a setting, a Western man of moderate+ means and passable+ attractiveness might be able to find some joy.

[VinDici]

As far as girl's returning after the war, is just ridiculous and delusional.

The delusional one is you. Ukranians love their country. After the child kidnapping, HIV infected prison infantry and rashists have been kicked the fuck out, most of Europe will fund the reconstruction of Ukraine, and that land will be a place for business, commerce and more.

So in all likelihood, the people who have said that they will return, will do exactly that. Many people already returned from Poland for example, and more will do so later.

Keep your RuZZian politics out of this thread, and use the other one that's meant for off topic.

[Gopnik]

Speaking with girls who are still in Ukraine and who have left Ukraine after the war, I feel that they have changed much more than I had imagined.

It's almost like their personality have changed or they can't think straight. One even seems going crazy.

Any thoughts or your experience with them lately?

Well, I speak with different Ukrainian women on my social media on a regular basis and it's sometimes difficult to gauge via text but if they are in Ukraine, they are obviously under a lot of stress. That said, life in Kyiv has normalized as much as it can under war conditions and the stress level has been reduced. I think 50% of the Ukrainian women I know who left Ukraine at the start of the war have returned and a few have recently told me they wish to return before the end of the year. Only a small handful have said they are staying in Europe for good. Despite have 300-400 hundred Ukrainian women from all walks of life on my social media, the overwhelming majority live in Kyiv or Western Ukraine and I cannot speak for those living closer to the war.

[DramaFree11]

I was living in Kyiv for 8 of the past 10 years and only left when the war began. I would not trust this or any site when it comes to meeting a woman online if you want something serious.
I have a few hundred Ukrainians on my social media and I can tell you that 50% of the women who are thirty + have left Ukraine. I'd say 25% of women under thirty are living abroad. These numbers used to be higher but many have returned to Ukraine. That said, most Ukrainian women I know who've moved abroad have told me they'll go home soon or once the war is over as they're homesick.

About Kyiv safety, my Ukrainian contacts have told me Kyiv is quiet safe and calm right now and one might not even know there is a war going on, but that can change quickly with a missile attack and if you're considering going to Kyiv, you need to be mentally prepared for this. I think even during these times Kyiv is still safer than many American cities and Ive even considered stopping in for a visit in autumn. This is just my opinion based on the many conversations I've had recently.

Ok, the part about Kiev being safe, I believe, but that could change at any moment. As far as girl's returning after the war, is just ridiculous and delusional. What are they going to return to. When I was living there, which way before the war, the girls that left had zero intention of returning to Ukraine. Maybe 10% will go back, if that, the rest are long gone, never to return. Ukraine has been done for 5-8 years, now with the war it is really over. If you do not believe me, Go check it out and write a report.

[Gopnik]

Wondering if any one has tried this agency to meet women, probably for a relationship? Are the women motivated to get out of Ukraine now? I am in my late 60's and have had some interest in women in their 40's from this website. Is it fairly safe to travel to Kiev to meet a woman now? Anyone there now? Thanks,

I was living in Kyiv for 8 of the past 10 years and only left when the war began. I would not trust this or any site when it comes to meeting a woman online if you want something serious.
I have a few hundred Ukrainians on my social media and I can tell you that 50% of the women who are thirty + have left Ukraine. I'd say 25% of women under thirty are living abroad. These numbers used to be higher but many have returned to Ukraine. That said, most Ukrainian women I know who've moved abroad have told me they'll go home soon or once the war is over as they're homesick.

About Kyiv safety, my Ukrainian contacts have told me Kyiv is quiet safe and calm right now and one might not even know there is a war going on, but that can change quickly with a missile attack and if you're considering going to Kyiv, you need to be mentally prepared for this. I think even during these times Kyiv is still safer than many American cities and Ive even considered stopping in for a visit in autumn. This is just my opinion based on the many conversations I've had recently.

[DramaFree11]

Wondering if any one has tried this agency to meet women, probably for a relationship? Are the women motivated to get out of Ukraine now? I am in my late 60's and have had some interest in women in their 40's from this website. Is it fairly safe to travel to Kiev to meet a woman now? Anyone there now? Thanks,

This is Delusional, all the girls are long gone. Foreign affairs is a scam, like every other dating agency in Ukraine. There is a war going on, you might want to take a look at the news occasionally.