Kyiv

[DramaFree11]

Appreciate your report. This is what happens when guys post about having multiple Top Level Girls in Kiev! As I have mentioned in my previous posts one is possible, but multiple Hot Girls is almost impossible. Now is you do have local knowledge or job you do have much opportunities, but it will not make much of a difference. Good luck, there are much better destinations for Girls.

LilJoey's post was great. I like it also.

But I am suspecting that it is a bit misleading:

"I am truly at a loss to understand why you have not been successful to find hot girls above a 6 in Kiev.

And I am now blessed with Contacts for so many hot girls to have sex with in Kiev, that it is even impossible for me to succeed in making time for even half of them each time I visit Kiev for a few days. So I end up having to blow off a lot of them saying that I have too many business meetings, or that I'm sick, or some other excuse, so they won't get too pissed at me, and tell them I will hope to see them on my next visit. Aside from my own limitations on how many hot girls I can fuck each day, I also want to leave some time for meeting new girls and fucking them. And all this Pussy has come to me from using mamba. Ru effectively."

That's sound like a fcking Harem heaven.

LilJoey made it sounds very easy and it is impossible not to score a hottie.

I am not sure I am unlucky or what, I am one of those who cannot score anyone so far.

But I do have a lot of limitations:

1. I am just 1 time tourist, I am not willing to spend a month collecting contacts.

2. I don't have a lot of money. I can offer 3000 or maybe up to 5000 UAH, but there is no way I can offer 30000 UAH..

[DramaFree11]

The last 2 days have tried to meet someone through mamba but I didn't have any luck. I agree with what are you saying. Probably Kiev is not that good place to go especially considering that it is not (in my opinion and hope I don't offend anyone) a good tourist destination. Just for an info I did try to approach some girls through badoo 3-4 months ago and I had some success but I didn't approach them with having in mind to have sex with them. I approach them out of curiosity of how Kiev is. Maybe some of you will find this info useful.

Sorry, about your trip. I appreciate your honesty.

[Mmusic]

I am glad that it works out so well for LilJoey and a few others.
Nevertheless, if you read 8-10 pages of this thread, you will also notice a lot others complained how disappointing Kiev is.
I am sure Kiev is full of gems, no doubt. But LilJoey and others' success do not mean you will be able to replicate their success.
We need to take into considerations their investments, qualification and sometime luck (luck increases with no of trails, 1 time tourist will not have that).
I had the illusion that Kiev is like a harem of hotties, I was bound to be disappointed.

You may have better luck to succeed if the veterans here share some of their contacts.

I agree with KY694.

I'm planning my trip to Kiev in good 3 weeks. As it is mainly business travel with tons of meetings, working lunches, dinner where surely won't be destroyed just one glass or bottle of vine it is hard to imagine that me as same as KY694 for example will or can have so much time to checking those sites mentioned here. No matter that my stay is for 3-4 days / nights.

Any tip or instruction about the classic hotel / room escort lady or more of them? In all other cities I'm travelling in east / south-east Europe as Belgrade, Zagreb, Sofia, Bucharest, Budapest in hotels even can be possible to find girls. And surely I don't know Hungarian language.

[MorandUK]

LilJoey's post was great. I like it also.

But I am suspecting that it is a bit misleading:

"I am truly at a loss to understand why you have not been successful to find hot girls above a 6 in Kiev.

And I am now blessed with Contacts for so many hot girls to have sex with in Kiev, that it is even impossible for me to succeed in making time for even half of them each time I visit Kiev for a few days. So I end up having to blow off a lot of them saying that I have too many business meetings, or that I'm sick, or some other excuse, so they won't get too pissed at me, and tell them I will hope to see them on my next visit. Aside from my own limitations on how many hot girls I can fuck each day, I also want to leave some time for meeting new girls and fucking them. And all this Pussy has come to me from using mamba. Ru effectively."

That's sound like a fcking Harem heaven.

LilJoey made it sounds very easy and it is impossible not to score a hottie.

I am not sure I am unlucky or what, I am one of those who cannot score anyone so far..

The last 2 days have tried to meet someone through mamba but I didn't have any luck. I agree with what are you saying. Probably Kiev is not that good place to go especially considering that it is not (in my opinion and hope I don't offend anyone) a good tourist destination. Just for an info I did try to approach some girls through badoo 3-4 months ago and I had some success but I didn't approach them with having in mind to have sex with them. I approach them out of curiosity of how Kiev is. Maybe some of you will find this info useful.

[CastOnThis]

I went back to Kiev for a second trip, meanwhile Andrei had asked me if I could help him out with 50 USD. I was a bit sceptical, but did it anyway. Considered it a big tip, hoping that it would make him work extra hard for me the next time. Did not notice any real difference in the girls Andrei provided the second time vs the first time. Also asked him to find a girl who did deep throat, but he came up with nothing.

After I had gotten home from my second trip he asked me for more money, when I said no he started saying stuff like "I thought we were friends" and such. I kept saying no and he said bye, then I blocked him. Kinda as expected, his "friendship" is only as long as he can get money out of you.

Ukrainians are easy to figure out. Got money? They like you! No money? They don't like you.

[NorthK]

I went back to Kiev for a second trip, meanwhile Andrei had asked me if I could help him out with 50 USD. I was a bit sceptical, but did it anyway. Considered it a big tip, hoping that it would make him work extra hard for me the next time. Did not notice any real difference in the girls Andrei provided the second time vs the first time. Also asked him to find a girl who did deep throat, but he came up with nothing.

After I had gotten home from my second trip he asked me for more money, when I said no he started saying stuff like "I thought we were friends" and such. I kept saying no and he said bye, then I blocked him. Kinda as expected, his "friendship" is only as long as he can get money out of you.

[KY694]

LilJoey,

thank you for your article. It's extremely informative. My initial plan was to go to St. Petersburg in the summer but I'm thinking that maybe Kiev is an alternative. The plan you are suggesting although is very good must be very time consuming. For someone that is traveling to Kiev many time it worth doing but I don't know if it's worth for a 1 time tourist. I suppose that in your first times you must had few disappointments but with time you have learn. Would like to ask you 2 things:

1) How much time it take you to find a girl.

2) Is it possible to share some pictures (you can cover the faces) to see what level are we talking about?

Also congratulations for your ability to write big articles. I wish I had it.

LilJoey's post was great. I like it also.

But I am suspecting that it is a bit misleading:

"I am truly at a loss to understand why you have not been successful to find hot girls above a 6 in Kiev.

And I am now blessed with Contacts for so many hot girls to have sex with in Kiev, that it is even impossible for me to succeed in making time for even half of them each time I visit Kiev for a few days. So I end up having to blow off a lot of them saying that I have too many business meetings, or that I'm sick, or some other excuse, so they won't get too pissed at me, and tell them I will hope to see them on my next visit. Aside from my own limitations on how many hot girls I can fuck each day, I also want to leave some time for meeting new girls and fucking them. And all this Pussy has come to me from using mamba. Ru effectively."

That's sound like a fcking Harem heaven.

LilJoey made it sounds very easy and it is impossible not to score a hottie.

I am not sure I am unlucky or what, I am one of those who cannot score anyone so far.

But I do have a lot of limitations:

1. I am just 1 time tourist, I am not willing to spend a month collecting contacts.

2. I don't have a lot of money. I can offer 3000 or maybe up to 5000 UAH, but there is no way I can offer 30000 UAH.

3. I am not old, but also not very handsome.

4. I don't speak Russian at all.

As a result, in the past week of so, I have sent a message to everyone who came online on mamba. Ru.

Out of the 60 messages I sent, I got 3 replies. One thought I was looking for friendship, and declined my offer when I explained it more explicitly.

Two more asked for what I can offer. I mentioned 4000 UAH /2 hours. No more replies.

So far my impression is that Kiev is a bad choice for mongering for 1 time tourist who does not speak Russian nor have good $ to offer.

If you enjoy messaging girls and don't mind investing the time, and if you are going back to Kiev, I guess it is worth it to set up some long time sponsorships.

Naturally girls will be more interested in long time sponsorship than a one-off thing.

Yet, Mongering is important for me this time. If I knew all these, I would probably choose somewhere else for my vacation (Prague, for example). Now I booked the flight ticket, too late to change LOL.

I am glad that it works out so well for LilJoey and a few others.

Nevertheless, if you read 8-10 pages of this thread, you will also notice a lot others complained how disappointing Kiev is.

I am sure Kiev is full of gems, no doubt. But LilJoey and others' success do not mean you will be able to replicate their success.

We need to take into considerations their investments, qualification and sometime luck (luck increases with no of trails, 1 time tourist will not have that).

I had the illusion that Kiev is like a harem of hotties, I was bound to be disappointed.

You may have better luck to succeed if the veterans here share some of their contacts.

[KY694]

I offer my sponsored girl 30000 grivnas every month, sometimes more. Whether sponsoring a girl would be a cheaper option depends on how long you are staying in Kiev and how frequent you want sex.

As for the apartment address, the exact address I don't really know, but I do remember some signs there that would make you easy to find it. It is located on Baseina Vylicia opposite to the famous shopping mall Gulliver. You can see an entrance to the residence area and I remember there's a billboard standing right in front of it on the street. Once you go inside, turn right and you can see a circle shaped advertise board hanging on the building, and to its left there's a door of the apartment. Go into the door and walk along the stairs until you see some graffiti on the wall. Once you see the graffiti, climb another set of stairs and on your right hand side is the apartment with girls. However please be aware that in Kiev the girls in the apartment and the apartments themselves may keep changing, and since your visit will be after my month, my information may not be up-to-date enough for you. Also please notice that you can negotiate prices at apartments and may get some discounts sometimes. Just ask "mozhno skidki? (discounts possible?

I'm not sure if there are English-speaking guides. Most people here do not speak very good English and that's why I'm working my ass off studying Russian in my spare time. The local language is helpful for you, not just to talk with guides and negotiate prices, but also to please the girls and make them feel more comfortable, and of course to increase your enjoyment and satisfaction in general.

30000 grivnas every month! That's probably more than what I made when I was a student in Germany.

I got 2 replies from Mamba. Ru and they asked specifically what I can offer.

Neither of them replied me anymore after I mentioned 4000 UAH /2 hours. Now I know who is putting the bar so high in the market lolll.

Alright, man. I am defeated. There is no way I can be as competitive. (plus you know Russian).

Mamba. Ru is a disappointment so far. I got 3 replied out of 60 messages I sent. And none of the three is interested in my offer.

Thanks for your description for the location. Highly appreciate it.

I think I will have to rely on apartments, now that mamba. Ru seems to be a dead end for me.

Do you have experience with relaxkiev and cracker.com?

[KY694]

Never mention money until the woman brings it up first!!

Yes Rog, that was my first few message.

Now I learned not to mention it.

In my message, now I briefly describe who I am. Explained that I am visiting Kiev. Would love to meet for a coffee or even something more, if the girl feel comfortable with it. Finally I clear state that I can offer to sponsor them without specific amount.

As an exercise, I sent it 30 girls 2 days ago, regardless of my interest, just to see how many reply I will get.

So far I got one reply, from a girl who thought I was genuinely looking for friendship lolll.

When I explain that I would like more if she feels comfortable after meeting me, she said no. Friend-zoned.

[MorandUK]

I am truly at a loss to understand why you have not been successful to find hot girls above a 6 in Kiev. Because my experience over the last years I have continued to visit Kiev every time I have a business trip to Europe has been just the opposite.

And I am now blessed with Contacts for so many hot girls to have sex with in Kiev, that it is even impossible for me to succeed in making time for even half of them each time I visit Kiev for a few days. So I end up having to blow off a lot of them saying that I have too many business meetings, or that I'm sick, or some other excuse, so they won't get too pissed at me, and tell them I will hope to see them on my next visit. Aside from my own limitations on how many hot girls I can fuck each day, I also want to leave some time for meeting new girls and fucking them. And all this Pussy has come to me from using mamba. Ru effectively.

And yes it is true, that in the few weeks before arriving in Kiev, you must spend time writing to different girls on mamba. Ru, in order to correspond with them, weed out the no good ones, get the girls' mobile numbers for Viber or Whatsapp if possible, and schedule meetings with them. But this time spent is definitely worth it IMHO.

Because the mamba profile pics are invariably fake, one step in the communication process must be to ask each girl to send her current and real photos.

Mamba use pointers.

For the sake of those of you struggling to use mamba to find hot girls in Kiev, let's review some basic pointers so that maybe you can get better results.

Mamba is a social website and has many users. In Kiev, a particular aspect of mamba is that girls looking for sponsors are using the site to find sponsors. As well, apartment brothels and escort agencies have also been using mamba to reach clients, because they became aware that many mongers are looking for P4P girls on mamba. This aspect of mamba having P4P girls on it is more pronounced on mamba in Kiev, and you won't find this phenomenon is many other locations in the world. But for Kiev it has been and remains a good resource for P4P.

Mamba has undergone changes over the years, but this only means that we must adapt ourselves and the manner in which we search for girls on the site. In the past girls looking for P4P clients simply wrote in their profiles that they are meeting with guys for material benefits, or some such language. Currently that is mostly not done, and P4P girls are putting in their profiles at the bottom the words "looking for a sponsor". They also have the option to simply leave that space blank. Or they can choose the option which says "not looking for a sponsor and not willing to become one".

I think you should not bother to send any message to girls who list the third option, as there seems to be no point. You can choose to limit your searches only to those girls who list "looking for sponsor" in their profiles. That way you already know you are dealing with a P4P girl, which is helpful in drafting the wording of your messages. But I have found that lately, there is a higher concentration of agencies in this category, and also there are many P4P girls on mamba who do not use the "looking for sponsor" tag in their profiles because they want the plausible deniability of a profile that is not obviously a girl looking for P4P. So the only category to avoid is the girls specifically writing "not looking for sponsor".

(The reason I don't focus only on the looking for sponsor category is that it is infested with agencies or apartment brothels. And the mentality of the persons operating these mamba profiles is infected with the stupidity of Eastern European thinking in dealing with a commercial enterprise. So they routinely will not want to communicate with anyone who is not already in Kiev, on the idea that they don't want to waste their time on anyone who isn't ready to immediately book an appointment. The concept of customer service and marketing / advertising, and developing a customer base has not yet filtered into their pre-soviet socialist mindset, and such capitalist concepts like customer service are a waste of time in their view. I guess they do not realize that there are many potential customers they could market themselves to, by indulging in some communication, who are foreign travelers coming to Kiev and want to have a good time. And so as soon as they perceive that you are not yet in Kiev, they will lose interest in communicating with you, or they may block you, instead of having the brains to cultivate you as a client, and secure an appointment from you. Also because they use multiple listings of profiles on mamba and repetitive listings of the same profiles and therefore they always find themselves in communication with the same customers who are going thru the profiles and writing to different girls whose profiles they like. So instead of simply sending their number again. They will block you, and turn a customer they already had, who had taken their number for use when in Kiev, into a non-customer who will no longer call them because they blocked him and appear to be uninterested in his business. Anyways, the stupidity of the way the agencies handle themselves on mamba is not my interest, only to make you aware of their behaviors so you can avoid. Therefore, do not be perturbed or worried that the profile of the really beautiful girl blocked you for no apparent reason after a polite message, because if there was only one or two photos, and a behavior like that, it is most likely an agency, and not a real girl, and they recognized that they communicated with you before. So now they block you, insuring that you will never become a customer of theirs. Just move on from such economic stupidity, and don't worry about it or get insulted by it.)..

LilJoey,

thank you for your article. It's extremely informative. My initial plan was to go to St. Petersburg in the summer but I'm thinking that maybe Kiev is an alternative. The plan you are suggesting although is very good must be very time consuming. For someone that is traveling to Kiev many time it worth doing but I don't know if it's worth for a 1 time tourist. I suppose that in your first times you must had few disappointments but with time you have learn. Would like to ask you 2 things:

1) How much time it take you to find a girl.

2) Is it possible to share some pictures (you can cover the faces) to see what level are we talking about?

Also congratulations for your ability to write big articles. I wish I had it.

[AntonySun1996]

Good to hear that you discovered something nice.

If possible, please note the exact address of the second apartment you mentioned, for those of us who cannot speak Russian.

I wish there are some English-speaking local tour guides for these things.

May I ask how much you offer your sponsored girl?

3000 for 1 hour and 5500 for 2 hours is indeed a bit expensive. I wonder if it is cheaper to sponsor a girl.

I have been trying on Mamba with no luck so far. It may be that my travel date is a month away or I am offering too little.

(I was suggesting 4000 UAH /2 hours, but video call first to see each other).

I offer my sponsored girl 30000 grivnas every month, sometimes more. Whether sponsoring a girl would be a cheaper option depends on how long you are staying in Kiev and how frequent you want sex.

As for the apartment address, the exact address I don't really know, but I do remember some signs there that would make you easy to find it. It is located on Baseina Vylicia opposite to the famous shopping mall Gulliver. You can see an entrance to the residence area and I remember there's a billboard standing right in front of it on the street. Once you go inside, turn right and you can see a circle shaped advertise board hanging on the building, and to its left there's a door of the apartment. Go into the door and walk along the stairs until you see some graffiti on the wall. Once you see the graffiti, climb another set of stairs and on your right hand side is the apartment with girls. However please be aware that in Kiev the girls in the apartment and the apartments themselves may keep changing, and since your visit will be after my month, my information may not be up-to-date enough for you. Also please notice that you can negotiate prices at apartments and may get some discounts sometimes. Just ask "mozhno skidki? (discounts possible?

I'm not sure if there are English-speaking guides. Most people here do not speak very good English and that's why I'm working my ass off studying Russian in my spare time. The local language is helpful for you, not just to talk with guides and negotiate prices, but also to please the girls and make them feel more comfortable, and of course to increase your enjoyment and satisfaction in general.

[AntonySun1996]

Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I have read a lot of posts already. And the answers to my questions from these posts are that Kiev is not an easy place for foreigners.

It is just not like in Germany, where you can go to a brothel and you will usually not be disappointed.

I post again to ask my questions, just to make sure that my impression from reading the forum is correct, or maybe there are some other easier ways that I have not discovered.

Yes your impression is right, mongering in Kiev is not as easy as in Germany for foreign travelers, but for me it is quite a fun.

[Member #4722]

Never mention money until the woman brings it up first!!

Good to hear that you discovered something nice.

If possible, please note the exact address of the second apartment you mentioned, for those of us who cannot speak Russian.

I wish there are some English-speaking local tour guides for these things.

May I ask how much you offer your sponsored girl?

3000 for 1 hour and 5500 for 2 hours is indeed a bit expensive. I wonder if it is cheaper to sponsor a girl.

I have been trying on Mamba with no luck so far. It may be that my travel date is a month away or I am offering too little.

(I was suggesting 4000 UAH /2 hours, but video call first to see each other).

[KY694]

We still had time and the driver said he knew other places but I thought these were enough discoveries for the day so I told him just take me back to the Wild xxx and wait a few minutes for the manager girl. After a while she came out and let me in. I kindly thanked the driver, gave him 500 grivnas and asked him to come back after 1 or 2 hours. Then I went to a room with the girl and fcked her. She was 22, typical Ukrainian hottie, spoke little to zero English. The price was 3000 gr per hour and 2500 for the second our (yeah more expensive than more apartments but to me was worth it). I took her one hour and was sent to hotel by my taxi driver. BTW drinks and snacks were available in that place.

My next plan during this stay in Kiev is to contact my driver again and come back to the second apartments to fck the hotties there. They are hotter than my sponsored girl I have to admit, though I used to rate her 10, haha.

Good to hear that you discovered something nice.

If possible, please note the exact address of the second apartment you mentioned, for those of us who cannot speak Russian.

I wish there are some English-speaking local tour guides for these things.

May I ask how much you offer your sponsored girl?

3000 for 1 hour and 5500 for 2 hours is indeed a bit expensive. I wonder if it is cheaper to sponsor a girl.

I have been trying on Mamba with no luck so far. It may be that my travel date is a month away or I am offering too little.

(I was suggesting 4000 UAH /2 hours, but video call first to see each other).

[KY694]

That's quite a lot of questions bro. I suggest you to read through the forum posts of recent months and you will find answers to most of your questions. Mongering in Kiev, as you probably know, is not a easy thing for first-time foreign travellers with limited time and budget, so knowledge is important. Please take your time and read the posts.

Happy hunting.

Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I have read a lot of posts already. And the answers to my questions from these posts are that Kiev is not an easy place for foreigners.

It is just not like in Germany, where you can go to a brothel and you will usually not be disappointed.

I post again to ask my questions, just to make sure that my impression from reading the forum is correct, or maybe there are some other easier ways that I have not discovered.