Kyiv

[Guntherus]

Tomas11, can you please explain what is meant by channel? Where do you get plenty of phone numbers from semi-pros if you are not using Mamba. Ru?

No need to waste time on mamba and other sites, unless you want to spend time chatting and talking to girls and operators.

If you have Viber or whatsup and know the right channel and phone numbers you will get plenty of semipros who will send you video selfies or selfies and pictures will match 100%, of course, they will charge 2000 uhr or 100 USD some even more but you don't waste time and get what you see.
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[Tomas11]

No need to waste time on mamba and other sites, unless you want to spend time chatting and talking to girls and operators.

If you have Viber or whatsup and know the right channel and phone numbers you will get plenty of semipros who will send you video selfies or selfies and pictures will match 100%, of course, they will charge 2000 uhr or 100 USD some even more but you don't waste time and get what you see.

As one girl told me it is expensive to go to a beautician and go to the gym to keep the body in shape. In some way she is right, Kiev is not a cheap city to live unless you go to Puzata Hata, but girls in Puzata Hata are average at best.

Personally, I prefer a 7 semipro who wants to have sex than a 10 pro who does the job watching at the clock with an alarm clock on with a bad attitude.

Good report, but I have to disagree with the part of Hot Girls in Kiev. Sorry, no agenda just speaking the facts. There are just not that many available anymore. As far as meeting girls on-line, that would take major time to find anything above a 6. If 99.5 of the profiles are fake, you are looking at several hours of work, at the minimum. Most guys just do not want to let other member know just how much time they are spending on this. Just not sure if the time is worth it, but I guess it works for you.

Strip Clubs are average at best in Kiev and expensive, but is an option.

Good idea about finishing your trip in Germany.

Good luck.

[Gretsu]

Hi,

I skimmed through the posts and it seems like people here have had success finding amateur prostitutes in mamba. Ru From what I read, this is a social network website with more than 10 million users. How feasible is it to find a girl for sex after trying for a whole afternoon? Besides, what's the best strategy? Look for likely prostitutes and just make an offer in the first message, like "$X for the night, do you agree?

[DramaFree11]

Good report, but I have to disagree with the part of Hot Girls in Kiev. Sorry, no agenda just speaking the facts. There are just not that many available anymore. As far as meeting girls on-line, that would take major time to find anything above a 6. If 99.5 of the profiles are fake, you are looking at several hours of work, at the minimum. Most guys just do not want to let other member know just how much time they are spending on this. Just not sure if the time is worth it, but I guess it works for you.

Strip Clubs are average at best in Kiev and expensive, but is an option.

Good idea about finishing your trip in Germany.

Good luck.

As anyone who has been in both Kiev and in the FKK's of Germany knows, this statement is completely not the case, and seems to have an agenda. Everyone who visits Kiev is impressed by the high numbers of hot girls walking around all over the place. Just read this forum, and see the many, many comments along these lines.

What is true is that in an FKK club, the girls who will have sex with YOU, are all around you for the taking, at the rate of 50 euro / half hour. And there are many plain looking girls in the FKK's. And there are a smaller percentage of FKK girls who are hot girl next door types. And there are usually some exceptionally pretty girls with great bodies, that are in the FKK's. So it is definitely a great place to have lots of sex fun.

However, for about half the cost, one can do the same sex fun with girls of equivalent prettiness and hot bodies, in Kiev too.

[Stevie69]

I agree. When they say 300 USD, or 200, or even 100, I respond that I do not have foreign currency. When they give the price in UAH, they probably realize how ridiculous it is. I tell them want them for one hour, not one month. When they say that it is for one hour, I tell them I am not stupid and and counter with 300 UAH. Sometimes that is it, because they know that one of you guys will pay $300, and sometimes they are open to more reasonable prices. [Deleted by Admin]

The sort of engagement I intended to present is simply typical of what is possible to sometimes find on mamba. Ru. The mamba website has undergone changes over the last few years, and what was true yesterday, may not be the same tomorrow. Nowadays there are many agencies lurking behind many of the profiles, especially the ones listing "looking for a sponsor". In the profile. But then again, many of the individual girls looking for a sponsor also list it in their profiles. So you need to judge who you are dealing with, when you receive their replies, and the nature of their ensuing conversation, or lack thereof.

The prices on mamba. Ru have been written about many times in this forum. My impression about the current status is that it is still possible to find girls that are happy with $100 for several hours (2-3 hours at least). And that a portion of the girls will only be happy with $150 for several hours. And yes there are some prima donna's who try to demand $200. And there are a small number who ask for $300, or even $400. The trick here is to get them to agree to enough time together, to bring down the unit price to a more reasonable number. For example, although there are girls in the nightclubs and on escort sites, for whom the sum of $300 is the rock bottom price they will agree to for two hours, if you get a mamba girl to agree to a whole night for $300, then you have a lot of hours to be with her, at least be able to fuck at night and in the morning, and your price per hour goes down significantly. $300 for 2 hours is a rate of $150/ hour. But $300 for 10 or 12 hours, including sex at least twice, can represent a much lower cost per sex event. You can drag out the sex each time for several hours, with oral sex both ways, Cuny and BBBJ, 69, and fucking different positions, with really no time limit, two hour or three hour sex session, as your own physical limitations dictate..

[Riina]

If you like blond girls, just go to Warsaw, I was there this year and really impressed by the girls in the streets. By the way sex in flats in Warsaw is the same price as in Kiev and BBBJ is often included in the price. Where are going many Ukrainian people to settle down and to look for a job? Poland of course. Because they can get a higher salary there. So why sex in flats is so expensive in Ukraine?

http://chicago.backpage.com/WomenSee...-park/60704768

http://chicago.backpage.com/WomenSee...ridge/51426717

Off topic, but we have a brothel in Chicago that's fed by an organization out in Warsaw. A new Polish girl every month and it's cheap. 170/30 min, sometimes BBBJ, 200/ HR MSOG. Keep in mind prostitution in Poland is geared towards the locals, just like Russia. In Ukraine, foreigners are the market.

[Volpone]

There are not only FKKs in Germany. There are also private flats and prices are similar to Kiev if you take the option of 30 minutes, that's largely enough to do your thing. If you feel like having sex again, you can just go in another private flat for another session with another girl. At the end that's usually cheaper than FKKs.

As everyone knows salaries in Kiev are not similar to salaries in Germany. It is interesting to notice that who pays high prices for other services than sex in Kiev? Who pays 40-60 $ for a ride from Borispol airport to the center? Who pays 10-15 $ for a haircut in Kiev? Who pays 15-20 $ for the cleanlady? Who pays 20-30 $ for a Russian private lesson? Who is deeply screwed in Kiev by paying a high amount in the poorest capital of Europe? Yes, you know the answer.

However I would not totally agree with DramaFee when he wrote that it is hard to find more than a 6. There are still pretty girls in Kiev, but I agree that there are less than 10-15 years ago. Furthermore there are more and more chubby girls. Moreover no need to go to Kiev to see some pretty slavic girls, just go to any big cities in Russia or in any city in Eastern Europe. If you like blond girls, just go to Warsaw, I was there this year and really impressed by the girls in the streets. By the way sex in flats in Warsaw is the same price as in Kiev and BBBJ is often included in the price. Where are going many Ukrainian people to settle down and to look for a job? Poland of course. Because they can get a higher salary there. So why sex in flats is so expensive in Ukraine?

[MagicSheep74]

Agree with your post 100%, with the exception the girls are way better looking in Germany, there is no comparison. It is very hard and it takes time to find anything above a 6 Kiev In Germany and other destinations, they are all over the places. There is just not that many Top Level Girls in Kiev and there has not been for several years.

Now if your into girls coming and hanging out at your apartment, then Kiev, but that takes a lot of time and energy with all the scams.

Absolutely agree. There are some very good looking girls in Kiev, but they are not available to the non-Russian speaking tourist. If you go 10 times, you might get lucky with a stunner once. I am not prepared to put some much out, to get so little in return. Any culture that believe's being nice is a weakness, is not a culture worth chasing. The scam mentality that is so prevalent in Kiev, is a complete pain in the ass. For those who believe that mamba and Rio have stunners, good luck to you.

Fro those obsessed with Slavic beauty, I believe Moscow would be better. Although I cannot verify that until early next year.

[LilJoey]

Agree with your post 100%, with the exception the girls are way better looking in Germany, there is no comparison. It is very hard and it takes time to find anything above a 6 Kiev In Germany and other destinations, they are all over the places. There is just not that many Top Level Girls in Kiev and there has not been for several years.

Now if your into girls coming and hanging out at your apartment, then Kiev, but that takes a lot of time and energy with all the scams.

As anyone who has been in both Kiev and in the FKK's of Germany knows, this statement is completely not the case, and seems to have an agenda. Everyone who visits Kiev is impressed by the high numbers of hot girls walking around all over the place. Just read this forum, and see the many, many comments along these lines.

What is true is that in an FKK club, the girls who will have sex with YOU, are all around you for the taking, at the rate of 50 euro / half hour. And there are many plain looking girls in the FKK's. And there are a smaller percentage of FKK girls who are hot girl next door types. And there are usually some exceptionally pretty girls with great bodies, that are in the FKK's. So it is definitely a great place to have lots of sex fun.

However, for about half the cost, one can do the same sex fun with girls of equivalent prettiness and hot bodies, in Kiev too.

It is true that in Kiev, it takes some effort to make contact with the girls of a high level of hotness, in brothel apartments, or on mamba. Ru website, or from escort websites, or even on the street or in stores, but it is not too hard to do, and many guys on this board have done it, and are continuing to do it.

If you want to pay the same type of rates as are paid in the FKK, of 100 euro / hour plus entrance fee of 70 euro, then you can also go to the Kiev nightclubs, or strip clubs like Rio or Scarlett, and finding hot girls to fuck is certainly easier there. But with some effort, and really not too much, it is possible to find hot girls in Kiev for half the price of the FKK's.

Every trip I make in Europe for mongering, I try to do several days in Kiev, and finish off with one or two nights in the FKK's of Frankfurt. I have been doing that for years. I find that I cannot enjoy more than one or two nights of fucking four or five girls each night for more than two nights in a row. It is a physical limitation for me. So one night of crazy sex in an FKK with four or five girls, is a wonderful way to end off a mongering trip, by fucking until you reach sexual exhaustion that night, and literally can't fuck anymore. For me it is a point reached after doing four and sometimes five sessions in the FKK. My reason is that then, no matter what happened during my several days in Kiev, I am ending off the trip with a sex till you drop extravaganza. And I really love the look of the Romanian girls at Oase. So it's great. Anyways, I feel I am in a very good position to compare the two venues. They each have their positive aspects.

Possibly the negative comment I am responding to, about there not being any girls above a 6 in Kiev, is a result of someone who tried, but did not try armed with all the knowledge amassed on this forum about how to go about trying, so it resulted in a failure to find a hot girl. So there is that caveat. When looking for a hot girl in Kiev on mamba. Ru, there is a strategy which must be employed. The hot girls do not fall into your lap, as they might at an FKK in Germany, or a strip club in Kiev. But rest assured, that hot girls are definitely available in Kiev, and I've been fucking them for years now. Just keep trying and learning from the comments and advice on this board, and I'm certain you will find your way to some great sex with hot girls in Kiev.

LJ.

[MikePop69]

Hi all,

Rio club. I think the best.

http://rioclub.kiev.ua/en/

Scarlette. Second most interesting club.

http://scarlette.kiev.ua/en/

All these clubs have more than 100 dancers.

Mandarin Club is closed now.

In other clubs in Kyiv, a maximum of 15-20 girls. Bad choice.

Now I'm in Kyiv, if you have questions, ask. I'm going to be in Rio.

What is the name of the club where the Lux use be. Is there still working gals there.

[PhotoSlider]

I'm not sure I'll be able to go back to Western hookers after this.

That is definitely a quote of the year!

Ladies in Kiev are some of the best around the world in selling that make-believe. You seem to enjoy it, Rugan. They feel your sincerety and respond back)) Just make no mistake, they may even convince themselves to believe in a true passion, for about 10-20 seconds, maybe a tad longer.

Also, it seems you had few layers of markup on your way to the ultimate goal: bouncers, cab driver, apartment manager. Maybe more. Each layer had a cut somehow. Out of $130 the provider herself might have had $30-50. Mmmaybe more for extra services you requested. Not sure, perhaps the lack of local language identifies you as an extortion target (and I say it with all respect).

I don't waste time on travel to apartments, and I gamble with them babies coming over to my place for casting outside, in their own transport vehicle. Ask for 2-3-4 to deliver, take 1 or 2. This way sometimes they are students, and pay their own rent, and not agency's. Had better price to earnings ratio on average.

If we go beyond apartment girls, someone wise here defined assessment criteria, that girlfriends use:

1. Does he love me?

2. Does he take care of me?

The latter is only in present tense. Neither "Did he? Nor "Will he? But "Does he- right now, or is time to move on to next?" A promise of bright future plays some significance, yet they are good mind readers.

[DramaFree11]

Agree with your post 100%, with the exception the girls are way better looking in Germany, there is no comparison. It is very hard and it takes time to find anything above a 6 Kiev In Germany and other destinations, they are all over the places. There is just not that many Top Level Girls in Kiev and there has not been for several years.

Now if your into girls coming and hanging out at your apartment, then Kiev, but that takes a lot of time and energy with all the scams.

The sort of engagement I intended to present is simply typical of what is possible to sometimes find on mamba. Ru. The mamba website has undergone changes over the last few years, and what was true yesterday, may not be the same tomorrow. Nowadays there are many agencies lurking behind many of the profiles, especially the ones listing "looking for a sponsor". In the profile. But then again, many of the individual girls looking for a sponsor also list it in their profiles. So you need to judge who you are dealing with, when you receive their replies, and the nature of their ensuing conversation, or lack thereof.

The prices on mamba. Ru have been written about many times in this forum. My impression about the current status is that it is still possible to find girls that are happy with $100 for several hours (2-3 hours at least). And that a portion of the girls will only be happy with $150 for several hours. And yes there are some prima donna's who try to demand $200. And there are a small number who ask for $300, or even $400. The trick here is to get them to agree to enough time together, to bring down the unit price to a more reasonable number. For example, although there are girls in the nightclubs and on escort sites, for whom the sum of $300 is the rock bottom price they will agree to for two hours, if you get a mamba girl to agree to a whole night for $300, then you have a lot of hours to be with her, at least be able to fuck at night and in the morning, and your price per hour goes down significantly..

[DramaFree11]

Good report. Thank you.

DramaFee, that was 3 years ago. 1000 UAH was around 45 $, so more value than now. I went with one girl 3 times, because I found her attractive. She was around 20 years old. The price was 600 UAH for 30 minutes. Kiss on the mouth, BJ, Cunilingus and sex in different positions was included in the price. In the other flat I had for the same price and the same service a young girl that was working there just a few days. She was working as a nurse and needed just some money right away. She was also pretty. In this flat I saw some other girls and they looked good too, but they wanted more money.

3 years ago I was also in 6 other private flats in Kiev and I didn't stay. All girls I saw in these flats were just average and below.

I totally agree with you that a girl that is average and above has other possibilities to get money like the one you mentionned or virtual sex. However this year in Odessa, I still met some pretty girls in private flats, but price was 1500 UAH for 1 hour.

[Volpone]

Sorry, to beat a broken record, but I can not imagine what these girls look like at 600 and 800 UAH. Maybe you can get a 6 for 2000-2700, so I would not get your hopes up. It just makes no sense if they are average to above average they have many options for clients. Hell they can go to Marriage Sites and get paid between $40-70 each date, even more depending of the negotiating skills. (No Sex) They can also do on-line chats and make decent money.

DramaFee, that was 3 years ago. 1000 UAH was around 45 $, so more value than now. I went with one girl 3 times, because I found her attractive. She was around 20 years old. The price was 600 UAH for 30 minutes. Kiss on the mouth, BJ, Cunilingus and sex in different positions was included in the price. In the other flat I had for the same price and the same service a young girl that was working there just a few days. She was working as a nurse and needed just some money right away. She was also pretty. In this flat I saw some other girls and they looked good too, but they wanted more money.

3 years ago I was also in 6 other private flats in Kiev and I didn't stay. All girls I saw in these flats were just average and below.

I totally agree with you that a girl that is average and above has other possibilities to get money like the one you mentionned or virtual sex. However this year in Odessa, I still met some pretty girls in private flats, but price was 1500 UAH for 1 hour.

[LilJoey]

Sorry, to beat a broken record, but I can not imagine what these girls look like at 600 and 800 UAH. Maybe you can get a 6 for 2000-2700, so I would not get your hopes up. It just makes no sense if they are average to above average they have many options for clients. Hell they can go to Marriage Sites and get paid between $40-70 each date, even more depending of the negotiating skills. (No Sex) They can also do on-line chats and make decent money.

To give you a comparison from apartment prices to mamba prices: $100 for 2 hours is a common price for a good looking girl on mamba. Ru. Since $1 is 26 uah, it means $100 is 2600 uah, and $50 is 1300 uah. So a rate of 1300 uah /1 hour for a pretty good looking girl on mamba. Ru is common.

For the girls on mamba who agree only to $150 for 2 (or 3 hours), then $150 is 3900 uah, or let's say 4000 uah to make it easier to calculate the 1 hour cost, so it means that 1 hour is at a rate of a little below 2000 uah. This is for a quite pretty girl on mamba. Ru who will come to your apartment and have fun with you.

So for the most part, on mamba. Ru, a price range of between 1300 - 2000 uah per hour is possible for a pretty girl, who is a college student, and not an apartment prostitute who has a higher rate of daily fucking of customers.

The disadvantage on mamba is that the girls are mostly using fake pictures, and you must try to get them to send their "real" photos, either on mamba, or better to get their phone numbers and establish contact on Viber or Whatsapp, and have them send pics there. And on those apps, a video call is available, and very easy to do, if they agree, and then you can see exactly what they look like. Whereas in the apartment scenario you can see the girls before choosing, which is an advantage.

LJ.