Kyiv

[Rugan]

I can't find reference to this scam on the Internet and I've seen it mentioned a few times here. What is it?

Yes, that scam is as old as the "dropped load of cash" scam. Once you recognize it is a scam, you can actually have some fun with it. You can: (1) Check out the restaurant ahead of time and check out the prices, and leave when she shows up, (2) show up late, have her wait for 30 minutes, even tell her to order herself a drink, and when you arrive, do not even sit down. Tell her you do not like it, tell her to pay her bill, and leave. (3) Tell the waitress that it is separate bills. Make sure she understands that you will pay only what you order, and order form the menu only. (4) sit across the street at another restaurant / cafe and watch her come in and then leave when you cancel 30 minutes later.

[Arkiloko]

Nothing more to say.

Best post ever.

Of course they want money, goods, and services.

Imagine if the girls had a parallel forum, just like this one, and one girl, instead of participating in the discussion, just kept complaining that men are interested in sex.

[Gentleman Travel]

I couldn't disagree with you more. Kiev is a capital of small crooks. Please don't be a delusional grownup. The context here is strangers off the internet, not girlfriends.

Well, I have met lots of great girls off internet dating sites, but of course you have to weed out time wasters and scam artists.

But either way, scam or test of manhood, the solution is the same. You call the shots and take her to your restaurant.

[Riina]

I cannot speak to your experience, maybe you were dealing with commissioned scammers. But in any case, that is the wrong approach to take with Ukrainian girls.

A Ukrainian girl wants you to be the man and take charge. If you are going to her restaurant, you are being a wussy and undeserving of their respect.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Kiev is a capital of small crooks. Please don't be a delusional grownup. The context here is strangers off the internet, not girlfriends.

[Gentleman Travel]

Just watch out for girls mostly met on Tinder who want to meet for dinner but won't tell which place, (let's meet at the metro or at the mall and we will find something".

Its a scam in 99% of the cases and they will bring you to a place where they get some commission.

I also would suggest that in case she will tell a place, to check it out first if its a well known place for scammers.

I cannot speak to your experience, maybe you were dealing with commissioned scammers. But in any case, that is the wrong approach to take with Ukrainian girls.

A Ukrainian girl wants you to be the man and take charge. If you are going to her restaurant, you are being a wussy and undeserving of their respect.

Of course it is a challenge if you are new in town and trying to find a decent restaurant to meet in. But read posts here or just wander around your first day and identify some places that will work for you.

First, you want a place near your hotel both so you don't spend all afternoon just getting to some out of the way place, after which she may or may not show up. And if she doesn't, ideally you should be able to check out the bar or other tables for alternative prospects. Second, if she does show up an you hit it off, you want to be able to get her back to your hotel / apartment while she is still hot. This assumes you booked your hotel in a central area, near a restaurant district. If you didn't, why the f* not?

At the same time, make it convenient for her to arrive on the subway, which is the normal way girls travel. It also allows you to repel requests for taxi money. The can get anywhere by public transit, usually. Actually, I have occasionally had girls arrive by car, but that means either they are a pro (and have money) or are from an outlying town with inadequate train connections and probably borrowed or rented the car just to meet you. And so you have to reimburse them if you want to go any further.

But to get back to my main point. You decide on the restaurant (taking into account convenience, class and taste). You can offer her some options and be a gentleman about it. But that way you control the cost and location and, most importantly, you control the relationship. A real girl will appreciate that.

GT.

[Stevie69]

Of course they want money, goods, and services.

Imagine if the girls had a parallel forum, just like this one, and one girl, instead of participating in the discussion, just kept complaining that men are interested in sex.

This is totally true. I do not know why this is not discussed more often in Guy's Post. I guess they are embarrassed or ashamed to admit that this has happened and it did happen to me once, but if I was not careful it would have been a semi-regular occurrence. Also, similar scams are happening at Bars, Night Clubs, Stores and of concourse the old faithful story, "I need a new Cell Phone or Computer."

[Stevie69]

That has also been my experience. Out of 14, you have made video contact with 3. You still have to negotiate services, prices, and times. You may get one. If not, you have to start the process again. And the one you get, if you do, may or may not give you a good experience. If she does, see her again, and ask her for referrals.

There is nothing unusual about those numbers. I do not know what Mr. Naysayer is complaining about.

Hi,

I today wrote 14 girls on Mamba.

2 not answer.

4 said: not interested.

8 give me phone number.

With 3 I already talk on Viber. On camera..

[Stevie69]

Really? I thought GIA was still fairly reliable. I have not used it often, but every time I did, it worked out fine.

Anyway, these problems can be avoided. As soon as you saw it was not the girls in the photos, you could have sent her away. You could have kissed her on the lips and with some tongue when you met; if she refused, she would likely refuse later, so you should have sent her away. The moment you sense a little attitude, just send her away, and of course, do not pay until the end.

It is a job, full or part time. Of course, they are interested in making money. You just have to use that motivation to your advantage.

Fuck no.

Different girl showed up but it was okay looking. This girl was just wrapped around with Chanel bag, Chanel shoes, Chanel bra, Chanel lipstick.

At least, I was hoping some good attitude. Hell no. Have a sore throat, no kissing with saliva, bring me clean linen, bring me water, bring me a pillow.

What the fuck? After I finish, she changed her mind and told me just one finish. And asked me a clean towel.

I saw her leaving the apartment with cigarette on her mouth.

All the escort girls, it is very hard to find a good attitude girl. They are just interested in making money. I don't want to think that this is a my problem even in this world.

Damn. Nothing to believe in Kiev. Nothing. You don't have an access to backpage, don't cry. They are worse.

[Stevie69]

Actually, meeting at the metro is fairly harmless. You can then at least see her in person, and then decide whether you want to go to a restaurant. If she is too ugly, walk away. You can together decide on the restaurant. If it is empty and there are no menus, or the prices are too high, then walk away. The real problem is when they decide and insists upon a given restaurant, and tell you to go there.

I would agree that 99% of the time, it is a scam, but only in the sense that yes, they want to have an expensive meal, the type they usually cannot afford. A much smaller proportion are real scams, in which they get commissions for bringing foreign idiots to scam restaurants that charge inflated prices?

Yes, that scam is as old as the "dropped load of cash" scam. Once you recognize it is a scam, you can actually have some fun with it. You can: (1) Check out the restaurant ahead of time and check out the prices, and leave when she shows up, (2) show up late, have her wait for 30 minutes, even tell her to order herself a drink, and when you arrive, do not even sit down. Tell her you do not like it, tell her to pay her bill, and leave. (3) Tell the waitress that it is separate bills. Make sure she understands that you will pay only what you order, and order form the menu only. (4) sit across the street at another restaurant / cafe and watch her come in and then leave when you cancel 30 minutes later.

Just watch out for girls mostly met on Tinder who want to meet for dinner but won't tell which place, (let's meet at the metro or at the mall and we will find something".

Its a scam in 99% of the cases and they will bring you to a place where they get some commission.

I also would suggest that in case she will tell a place, to check it out first if its a well known place for scammers.

[Tomek123]

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[DramaFree11]

Just watch out for girls mostly met on Tinder who want to meet for dinner but won't tell which place, (let's meet at the metro or at the mall and we will find something".

Its a scam in 99% of the cases and they will bring you to a place where they get some commission.

I also would suggest that in case she will tell a place, to check it out first if its a well known place for scammers.

This is totally true. I do not know why this is not discussed more often in Guy's Post. I guess they are embarrassed or ashamed to admit that this has happened and it did happen to me once, but if I was not careful it would have been a semi-regular occurrence. Also, similar scams are happening at Bars, Night Clubs, Stores and of concourse the old faithful story, "I need a new Cell Phone or Computer."

[Alekezam]

Ha!

I love it.

Can't argue with hard facts and numbers.

You may not have perfect command of the English language but when you do communicate I still understand your point.

Now the other guy? Between all the profanity and narcissism in most of his posts, its pretty hard to understand what he's trying to say half the time.

You're right, whenever I looked at Mamba the general feel I got was that it was basically a site geared more towards a sugar daddy arrangement. That, in reality is a roundabout way for a girl to delude herself and others into believing they are not a "prostitute".

Hi,

I today wrote 14 girls on Mamba.

2 not answer.

4 said: not interested.

8 give me phone number.

With 3 I already talk on Viber. On camera..

[DramaFree11]

Hi,

I today wrote 14 girls on Mamba.

2 not answer.

4 said: not interested.

8 give me phone number.

With 3 I already talk on Viber. On camera.

With 5 I write on Viber or WhatsApp, I still not sure because they not want to talk on camera.

8 of 14 girls want to meet for money! Just some minutes on Mamba to find them. Very ordinary dating site yes!

So. Idiotic stereotype or not. This is reallity!

Ola.

Good Post and it is unbelievable that guys keep lining up to go to Kiev.

[OlaOlsen]

Hi,

I today wrote 14 girls on Mamba.

2 not answer.

4 said: not interested.

8 give me phone number.

With 3 I already talk on Viber. On camera.

With 5 I write on Viber or WhatsApp, I still not sure because they not want to talk on camera.

8 of 14 girls want to meet for money! Just some minutes on Mamba to find them. Very ordinary dating site yes!

So. Idiotic stereotype or not. This is reallity!

Ola.

And why they should give you their phone number. Mamba is that your. Sex services. No. This is the most ordinary dating site. Is it really so hard to understand. What's the idiotic stereotype that if a girl with a mamba then she wants to fuck for the money. It's nonsense.

Certainly some girls are too greedy and haughty. It's unfortunately a new generation of Ukrainian girls.

Somebody fucked this creature with a little swarthy skin or not -.

https://www.mamba.ru/mb1748110531

[OlaOlsen]

First of all if you look on profiles on Mamba it is easy to see if it is serious or not.

And about 70-80 % of girls that I write to are looking for sponsor / sex for money or so.

And I do not ask for sex for money. I ask meet for money!

I have so many examples where I ask about meet and the answer is: yes for money or gift.

So idiotic or not. This is the reality.

Mamba is better for find a prostitute or gold digger then for a serious woman.

And why they should give you their phone number. Mamba is that your. Sex services. No. This is the most ordinary dating site. Is it really so hard to understand. What's the idiotic stereotype that if a girl with a mamba then she wants to fuck for the money. It's nonsense.

Certainly some girls are too greedy and haughty. It's unfortunately a new generation of Ukrainian girls.

Somebody fucked this creature with a little swarthy skin or not -.

https://www.mamba.ru/mb1748110531