Kyiv

[Member #4722]

Does anyone have any advice / thoughts on how to handle having lots of girls coming and going all the time?

I'm renting airbnb while I'm in Kyiv and I'm wondering if I could end up in trouble if the neighbors see loads of girls moving through. And say mention it to the apartment owner?

They already expect it don't even worry.

[Tomek123]

P. S. The money for the attention of high Tatyana Wolf I returned the next day. I told him how much I gave her, and he immediately thanked me very emotionally and gave me this amount. But most importantly, he was a little adapted to stress at the sight of pleasant girls. Ukraine is such a drug kotry pulls a person not immediately and step by step, gradually. Ukraine is such a drug that draws a person, not at once, but step by step, gradually. I realized that life in Germany, German women and strict laws, morals, unsuccessful family life and the experience of two marriages in Germany-all this bit killed the spirit in him predator, the spirit of the male. It's not his fault, it's the fault of the country called Germany and the whole of Western civilization with its "women's rights," and other nonsense.

He forgot that he is primarily an animal. He is a predator. He is a male and a hunter. And only in Ukraine he was able to regain this feeling. Tatyana it was the first girl in Ukraine that he fucked. But two days later I noticed that he likes a new atmosphere and a new air, saturated with sex. He began to communicate more at ease, more easily. It has its own style of charming not young, botany, . I noticed obvious progress. I saw that he obviously likes to be among young girls in short skirts and with bare shoulders and arms. He is very excited as before but after the first sex with a Ukrainian girl he acquired some confidence and behavior of an elegant hunter. He stopped being so ridiculous and wooden as during our arrival in Kharkov.

He realized that the visual arrogance of these girls is rather a defense mechanism against local guys. Who are sometimes very brutal in communication and can be intrusive. So the girls wear this "mask of arrogance" . But the main thing is not to be afraid of it and go ahead and take chances. He realized that beautiful girls here are much more than in Germany, and that they want to like men. When he first saw Tatiana, her arrogant face frightened him and he told me that I was probably crazy if I wanted to approach such arrogant pretentious girls.

[Hrchrister]

How much of the classical Ukrainian cheating do you experience with the socalled backpages nowadays? They are becoming more and more popular amoung escorts. And I see some of the backpages writes in English, and only in English. Suspicious.
Do you experience fake pictures, fake pricing, "girls" who tries to get money in advance etc.?

[MagicSheep74]

Hi MagicSheep,

Yes sure! Actually you can find more details about these two encounters in my previous post in this thread but here's a quick summary:

1. I met the first girl using a number found on Backpage. I was certainly too naive, thinking it was an independent girl and (of course) she was not.

She didn't really look like the pictures. However, she showed me afterwards dozens of pictures of her on her phone and I think the pictures are genuine, but the makeup / light / dress make you think she is more beautiful than she really is. All in all I would say her face was 5 and her body was between 6 and 7.

- What have been negotiated prior to her arrival: sex, BBBJ, FK for 1 hour (including extra charges for BBBJ, FK and taxi). Cost: $120 USD..

Thanks Pierre,

My experience last year was almost identical to yours, although I stayed 2 or 3 more days. I met 2 girls from Mamba, but they were very disappointing in real life. Would rate a 6.

Took a girl out from Shooters, would rate a 7. Seen her outside, she has slid down to a 6. Took a beautiful, tall, blond from Rio, rated her a 8, met me outside with her high heels off and normal clothes, she was a 6. Although a nice person.

After day 3, I could see were this was going. The real beauties which to be honest I did not see during my 5 day holiday, are gone, hidden from view, travelling, married, sponsored, in the beauty salon with there little dog in a handbag, in Dubai selling there soul to the devil, or were an illusion all along.

My hotel was excellent, had completely no problems with safety, and enjoyed the city more than expected.

I am personally only looking to pay money to have sex with very very good looking girls. I don't remember my experiences average girls, the 6 and 7 's, but the memory of the 9's are ingrained in my mind forever.

The very beautiful women are not available to a tourist in Kiev, so its one just a one time visit to a city that has moved on.

[Tomek123]

I would say 3 to 5, and not in her life, but at any given point in her life, and only until she loses her looks. And it is not only girls who have honest jobs; the mentality extends to women who do not have to work for a living. The official boyfriend / husband could even be some old, rich guy who provides the girl with a good life, but that does not stop her from getting little something on the side. They just have to be a little more discreet. Rich boyfriends will not find out because they do not waste time on tinder and mamba (Even if the photos were all real), and besides, they are also enjoying the company of many other women too.

In their culture, women grow up knowing that men will cheat, and realizing what they have to do to get ahead in life. Yes, sometimes girls fall in love, and the young man may be faithful for a while. However, as as soon as the young man grows up and becomes more successful, women will flock to him. He will eventually take advantage of his success, screw his secretary, and break the girl's little heart..

I agree with you my friend. Like your posts. Yes. What you and I wrote is the specificity of this not quite European society. It's an interesting mixture of Asia plus Latin America and a little western influence. That so attracts Western men to Ukraine? First of all, the absence of those artificial barriers between a man and a woman that have long been in the West. As wrote on some forum one guy from Denmark about Ukraine, it was strange to see such scenes in Ukraine. Few 53 year old not very nice and athletic guy in Denmark will dare to flirt with the beautiful 18 year old Danish girl in Denmark.

These guys in Denmark are very few, and most of the Danish young ladies with disgust will tell him went,fuck, pervert! But in Ukraine, as this guy writes on the basis of his observations, he often sees how an old disgusting foreigner can go to a cafe in a cafe to a young beautiful Ukrainian girl, either on the street or near the hotel. And the girls react to it calmly, without hysteria and disgust. As it would be in Denmark. Or a similar western country. This Dane writes that this very surprised him. With this the girls often joke. And even flirt. It does not mean that they all want to sleep with this old ugly man. . but they do not show their arrogance and especially do not turn to the policeman on street. As a victim of sexual abuse. . they can with interest maintain a conversation with this guy. Joke on different topics. Laugh. It's very surprised him. He writes that it is difficult for him to imagine and imagine it in his native Denmark.

But sometimes it affects the Western man differently. Especially if a person is new to Ukrainian realities.

I have an old friend. He is an ethnic German and lives in Germany near the Polish border. He often happens in Poland, he is like me a karate fan and kung fu. I like to be friends with him. When I first went with him to Kharkov, he was a little in a state of shock. It was in the summer and all the charms of the girls were visible. Short skirts and beautiful Ukrainian asses and so on. The brand of famous Kharkov blondes. And brown hair. I was very hard with him because he was very constrained and morally depressed. When I wanted to approach the young charming Kharkov blondes and start contact, he was terribly nervous and grabbed my hand like a mite. He is 46 years old but he is quite sexy and not fat as many guys from the West. He told me- do not they tell us, go fuck, I do not want to get into an unpleasant situation. And maybe these girls are waiting for their young guys? And so on. I even felt his heart beating and saw how sweat from his excitement stood on his forehead. When we approached the girls. I told him-Wolf, these girls can not do us anything terrible. They will not send us to prison. . the maximum of bad that we can get this refusal, no more.

But then he started to do the other extreme and show how bold and uninhibited he is and to pretend to be a tough guy from Sicily type al Pacino. But this also looked a bit ridiculous and ridiculous. Because he is not a bandit. He thought that all men in Ukraine it's alpha males and bandits and so you need to look like a gangster. We rented then apartments of two rooms in the center of Kharkov.

I saw how he suffers and decided to help him a little. I met two girls in a cafe in the center on Sumskaya street. I talked with them without Wolf. He sat sadly at a table and looked sadly at these girls. They were 20 -22 and learned how I learned at the University of Arts and Design. I suggested that they draw me and my friend and said that I will pay them well.

They laughed but realized my hint. I told them that we rent a beautiful apartment (in fact, not the most expensive, I chose it myself, I did not want to spend big money on renting).

I also told them that I and my friend always appreciate painting and are ready to help materially young talents in their implementation. After some time they said that they agreed. But they asked to visit the nightclub together and dance. We danced a little and then continued our rest and talks about painting in our apartment. But the wolf all the time could not relax and I saw that he was very nervous. The girls were young and nice. . . The Wolf of a small stature about 165 cm and I noticed that he likes a tall Tatiana. We drank a bit and I told her that this is my old friend. He has a drama. His woman died. He was very afflicted. I want to bring him back to life. I offered her a certain amount of money. She needs to return it a bit to life. And so on. She said that she understood everything and will try. I told Wolf that Tatiana also finished the massage courses and wants to give him a real professional massage. He laughed nervously. He called me aside and nervously asked me what to do. I gave him half a pill of sildenafil, Erectil, for 40 grivnas and said that he should take a shower before the massage. ,You just need to drink this pill and go to your room! I gave him two condoms. At this time Tatiana went to his room to do a massage. I was at this time fascinated and very successful Angela with a big booty and already began to touch her pussy. She was in a short skirt and thin panties. She did not resist. She understood everything well in the cafe. Then we went to the shower. We have already started actively tumbling in our bed. Angela began to actively handle the language of my dick's head. But I hear that in Wolf's room something is not as it should be. I hear that he tells Tatiana and sometimes she laughs. I'm ready to finish and they say. I knocked on the door. Volph sat on the bed. Tatyana sat next to him and massaged his shoulders near the neck. I saw that he was a little wooden. I said that I need to tell him one thing. About tickets home and so on. Otherwise I will forget and bla-bla-bla. . we went out into the kitchen and I told him to start fucking this little girl. She's not against it. Everything is fine. She told me that she likes him, but he's a bit stiff. And so on. We went out into the kitchen and I told him to start fucking this little girl. She's not against it. Everything is fine. She told me that she likes him, but he's a bit stiff. And so on bla-bla-bla. Just do not forget to dress a condom, I said.

I had already finished and we, together with Angela, had a nice conversation in bed. After a while I heard that Wolff and Tatiana had already stopped talking and it was quiet in their room. Then I realized that Tatiana decided to take the initiative in her own hands or the Wolf decided not to waste time in Ukraine. I heard that they took a shower and a few minutes later I heard the characteristic sounds. She moaned loudly and as I understood, Erectil still did not act effectively and she just wanted to excite him. Probably.

Then they again began to talk and I thought sadly - "probably it's a bad day for him today. Unfortunately,

But then I realized that Tatyana still decided to honestly work out her money, and I heard men's groans and an easy creak of the bed. As I understood it, she sucked him hard and vigorously. "Thank God, our Creator and Creator. Amen.

And when I heard loud female groans and slaps with hands on Tania's ass I realized that you can not worry about my friend. The process is irreversible.

When my sad German friend loudly finished outside the door, Oh ja! JA! Ja, Tania. Jaaaaaaa. Taniaaaa. I realized that his anguish in this country was finally rewarded. My Angela quietly laughed and said that my German friend is not so alone and shy as it seems. Under the influence of these lascivious voluptuous sounds I began to kiss the Anzela tits again and massage her clitoris and then made a little porn in the doggy position as in a beautiful German porn.

The next day I noticed that he became more confident in behavior and stopped being so nervous at the sight of young ladies. He realized that it was not Germany and relaxed. When we arrived with him for the second time in Ukraine in Sumy and Poltawa and later Charkow it was already a little different person. More confident. The more quiet. He was awakened by a predatory animal that sleeps in each of us. He was still nervous when we approached the cute creatures in short skirts and short shorts under which the juicy asses are clearly visible but there was not that great stress, he did not allocate so much sweat and did not grab my hand. He realized that this is another society and other standards of life and this society is more natural and much less feminized and impregnated with the law and restrictions for men / this is a society in which many girls already at 14-15 and sometimes even 13 years know the taste of male sperm in his tongue and love money more than their peers in rich countries.

Therefore I love Ukraine.

[Rugan]

Does anyone have any advice / thoughts on how to handle having lots of girls coming and going all the time?

I'm renting airbnb while I'm in Kyiv and I'm wondering if I could end up in trouble if the neighbors see loads of girls moving through. And say mention it to the apartment owner?

[Wingwang]

First day:

As I mentioned, it was three of us so I was a bit nervous that we may have to work too hard to find quality. That was not the case. It does help to be relaxed about the process.

The guide arranged a taxi on an hourly rate. That is a no brainer as the apartments are all over town and you do not want to waste time looking for taxis. Efficiency and reliability are keys to my successful mongering trip.

The apartments: Not many people write about these. I don't know if a typical tourist does not know about the good ones or because you typically need a smart guide to access them, unless you live here of course. In the past I had touts that give you cards on the street and take you to few sad looking places with depressing line up for 500 to 700 grivnas. Those are junk. Not worth the 3-5 flight of stairs you may have to take.

A good guide will call ahead and ask how many are working and we go depending on availability.

So, most apartments, you can have a session there or they come to your apartment for extra taxi money of 100 Grivna each way. If you choose two girls from the same apartment, the price for taxi is shared. A fair system. All prices are set and do not try to negotiate and look like a fool. The only thing you may be able to negotiate a bit is extras. More on extras later but for me kissing is important and for some girls, especially if they are in relationship of some sort, it is is hard for them and not about the money. With my mongering style, I focus on how much fun I had with a girl and not how low I negotiated it down. I stop it if it stops being fun. It is personal and situational.

Also, rare but different girls may have different prices in the same apartment. Don't ask why. Go with the flow.

After you pick a girl, you tell them when and where to come. They shower and get dolled up and come on time. You better give them the exact time you are going to be ready. It is not like latin America, where I always tell them 30 minutes before I need them. Haha.

Some places will ask for 500 deposit but if you go with a guide, they generally don't worry about it. You pay when you arrive. They usually come in a private car and when they do the driver collects and leaves. So that means you pay them even before they get out of the car. First time, I found that weird but since I have done it so many times, and no I know that there have never been any issues, I don't mind. If you use a guide, you can relax in the sofa when the guide pays and brings her up.

90% of apartment girls dress very elegantly. In Kiev, hookers don't look like "hookers". In many parts of the world, cheap hookers dress the part, even when they show up Bellagio. In Europe, that is rare, except in red light areas. Anyway, I digress..

Thanks for sharing the report. It had a lot of useful info for guys who hasn't been visiting to the country.

I plan to visit Kiev in the winter. Would you mind sharing the girl numbers with me?

Thank you very much!

WW.

[Wingwang]

I want to write a detailed report. I am writing this as a sucure place holder.

We rented a private apartment 3 BR /2 B. Very nice off of Lesi Ukrainiaki.

Our guide met us minutes after arrival and party started.

We went to apartments, Buddha Nar, Rio and pulled girls from there.

6 sessions for 3 guys. 2 9's and 4 solids eights. Super friendly and honest. Classy and civilized bunch.

Thanks for sharing your experiments. It's fun to read. Anyway I plan to have a trip in Kiev soon. Would you mind sharing info of your guide and apartments you went. Please PM me. Thanks, WW.

[DramaFree11]

Hello Pierre,

For my own interest, can you tell us where you met these 2 young ladies that provided you with a great experience, and also at what cost?

When I was there I tried several of the clubs mentioned, but they were very hit and miss. The nightlife in general was very poor. I do agree that Slavic women can be very attractive, but also very tricky to strike a deal that is not outrageous in cost. Mamba's a joke, internet dating is always a scam, tinder a joke, Rio is robbery for take out. And the nightlife scene is dead 6 days a week. I wish I had a different more positive opinion on the place, but I just don't. I think the general consensus is, if you are willing to do a hell of a lot of groundwork, spend considerable amount of time there, speak a little Russian perhaps, build up contacts over years, then it might bear fruit. But in my opinion, all that work is no longer a hobby, but an obsession for the unattainable. But I have respect to those to put in so much effort all to try and capture some slavic princess.

Best wishes.

Thank you, for your post and honesty. This is important information for people planning trips to Kiev. Unfortunately, this is the norm. It is still possible to have a great time in Kiev, but you have to spend a lot of time and resources to get an average to bellow average girls.

[Pierre1984]

Hi MagicSheep,

Yes sure! Actually you can find more details about these two encounters in my previous post in this thread but here's a quick summary:

1. I met the first girl using a number found on Backpage. I was certainly too naive, thinking it was an independent girl and (of course) she was not.

She didn't really look like the pictures. However, she showed me afterwards dozens of pictures of her on her phone and I think the pictures are genuine, but the makeup / light / dress make you think she is more beautiful than she really is. All in all I would say her face was 5 and her body was between 6 and 7.

- What have been negotiated prior to her arrival: sex, BBBJ, FK for 1 hour (including extra charges for BBBJ, FK and taxi). Cost: $120 USD.

- What did really happened: she stayed for about 2 hours including quite a lot of social time (something that I enjoy). She was very friendly, speaking good English and we had a of of fun. A lot of DFK (she was actually more into it than I was! Sex, BBBJ, DATY and fingering and even COB happened. Overall it was a great GFE.

Final cost for 2 hours: $150 USD.

2. I met the second girl at Rio. A beautiful blonde girl, not a stunner but most likely a "high end Ukrainian girl next door", whatever it means, the kind of girl I could fall in love with.

What have been negotiated priori to her arrival: sex, BJ, kisses for 3 hours. Cost: $300 USD (same price that every girls at Rio are asking).

What did really happened: once in my bedroom, we started to kiss a lot (FK) and the sex was pretty intense (the girl came twice during DATY / fingering sessions). She was very friendly as well, not as fun as the first girl but she had a different temper (more shy, softer, quieter, very sensual) and was not as good to speak proper English.

The whole time was very GFE as well. The only drawback that she was kind of tired as she arrived at my room around 5 am after 1 h30. Between 6. 30 an 6. 45 am, she fell asleep in my arms before we had sex for a last time around 7.15 am, and she finally left.

Final cost for 2.5 hours: $300 USD. It's certainly not cheap but once again, in my opinion, having a 2.5 hours GFE in my hotel room (something that I value as well) with a girl that is almost perfect to me, worths the $300 USD.

One more thing regarding the nightlife. From my experience (only one Saturday night), I don't think it was too bad but it was not great neither. And more important, I don't think it's easy at all to pick up girls from the clubs I've been visiting. That said, I am not really a guy who's succeeding at this task, so I'm not sure my experience is valuable for others guys!

Finally, I agree that using Tinder could be a total waste of time. I had a couple of hundreds matches in Kiev but couldn't transform one of the match into a real encounter.

Hello Pierre,

For my own interest, can you tell us where you met these 2 young ladies that provided you with a great experience, and also at what cost?

When I was there I tried several of the clubs mentioned, but they were very hit and miss. The nightlife in general was very poor. I do agree that Slavic women can be very attractive, but also very tricky to strike a deal that is not outrageous in cost. Mamba's a joke, internet dating is always a scam, tinder a joke, Rio is robbery for take out. And the nightlife scene is dead 6 days a week. I wish I had a different more positive opinion on the place, but I just don't. I think the general consensus is, if you are willing to do a hell of a lot of groundwork, spend considerable amount of time there, speak a little Russian perhaps, build up contacts over years, then it might bear fruit. But in my opinion, all that work is no longer a hobby, but an obsession for the unattainable. But I have respect to those to put in so much effort all to try and capture some slavic princess.

Best wishes.

[Limarian]

I would love to explore more luxurious places to stay but because time is always limited I haven't risked the insecurity of finding somewhere that turns out to be a problem. I would really love to know where you have found on the upper end of the market. It makes so much difference to the quality of shagging to be relaxed in a nice place. I'm sure you would agree.

I just came back this afternoon for my second trip in Kiev.

The first time was in 2012 and I had certainly the most pleasant P4P experience of my life with a cute semi-pro that I met at Shooters (both inexpensive and true GFE with a lot of kissing, BBBJ, intense sex and tenderness.).

I just came back today from my second trip in Kiev (3 nights). I spent much more money than in 2012 but I also had two great experiences with two different nice girls last night, again very GFE. Compared to many other destinations I had P4P (I never did FKK or brothels in Spain for example), I think Kiev is still great to meet both beautiful and friendly girls for GFE / quality time at your hotel (This is actually something I care about. I am most of my time staying in beautiful hotel rooms / suites when I travel and meeting a girl in a luxury environment (own music, sofa, nice comfy bed, good drinks) is something I find enjoyable).

[MagicSheep74]

I just came back this afternoon for my second trip in Kiev.

The first time was in 2012 and I had certainly the most pleasant P4P experience of my life with a cute semi-pro that I met at Shooters (both inexpensive and true GFE with a lot of kissing, BBBJ, intense sex and tenderness.).

I just came back today from my second trip in Kiev (3 nights). I spent much more money than in 2012 but I also had two great experiences with two different nice girls last night, again very GFE. Compared to many other destinations I had P4P (I never did FKK or brothels in Spain for example), I think Kiev is still great to meet both beautiful and friendly girls for GFE / quality time at your hotel (This is actually something I care about. I am most of my time staying in beautiful hotel rooms / suites when I travel and meeting a girl in a luxury..

Hello Pierre,

For my own interest, can you tell us where you met these 2 young ladies that provided you with a great experience, and also at what cost?

When I was there I tried several of the clubs mentioned, but they were very hit and miss. The nightlife in general was very poor. I do agree that Slavic women can be very attractive, but also very tricky to strike a deal that is not outrageous in cost. Mamba's a joke, internet dating is always a scam, tinder a joke, Rio is robbery for take out. And the nightlife scene is dead 6 days a week. I wish I had a different more positive opinion on the place, but I just don't. I think the general consensus is, if you are willing to do a hell of a lot of groundwork, spend considerable amount of time there, speak a little Russian perhaps, build up contacts over years, then it might bear fruit. But in my opinion, all that work is no longer a hobby, but an obsession for the unattainable. But I have respect to those to put in so much effort all to try and capture some slavic princess.

Best wishes.

[Pierre1984]

This is the third and my last report of my Kiev trip.

After I spent two hours with the Backpage girl (see my second report below for more details), I thought it was still too early to not try something else for my last night in Kiev.

I chose to go back to Rio because it was Sunday night, already quite late and also because Rio was only 50 meters away from my hotel. How tempting is that?

I did two private dances after having looked at all the girls which were dancing that night (I guess I've seen all of them, can't be 100% sure about that). And finally I decided to pay the $300 USD to bring the second girl back to my hotel room as I found her especially attractive (I would rank her as a 8). She was really my type (blonde, light eyes, beautiful smile, not too tall but not petite neither, perfect body, not vulgar in any way).

It was expensive but all in all I think it was worth it. The girl was less "impressive" when she left the club without the stockings, the super high heel and wearing regular clothes. However it confirmed my first impression: she was beautiful and adorable.

And then we spent about 2.5 hours together, having multiple intercourses and nice social time. I would describe the whole experience as GFE, with a lot of kissing, cuddling, intense DATY, even though I didn't get BBBJ (she was clear about it me during the private dance). She also seemed to truly enjoy her time with me, having two orgasms.

So, yes, it was expensive but in my opinion it was worth it. Spending 250€ for 2. 5 hours of quality / GFE time with a girl like this (she may not be a true "8" but she was definitely was one of the most beautiful girl I had in my bed) is not a decision that I would regret anytime soon!

After my quite frustrating first night in Kiev, I texted a number of a girl I found on Backpage around 6-7 am this morning.

I was certainly too naive as I thought it would be an independent girl. Actually when she came up earlier tonight (10 pm), I realized she was not exactly what we expected, slightly different from the pictures.

That said, she was quite cute, very nice and friendly. We made out quite quickly with a nice GFE / DFK / BBBJ experience.

I have to say she told me that she really liked me after we had a couple of drinks and cigarettes. The weird part is that her "agent' (taking 50% of her revenue) was calling all the time. Two times at the beginning to make sure that she was OK and she get the money. And then she called again while I was in middle of DATY.

[Pierre1984]

This is the third and my last report of my Kiev trip.

After I spent two hours with the Backpage girl (see my second report amongt the previous post for more details), I thought it was still too early to not try something else for my last night in Kiev.

I chose to go back to Rio because it was Sunday night, already quite late and also because Rio was only 50 meters away from my hotel. How tempting is that?

I did two private dances after having looked at all the girls which were dancing that night (I guess I've seen all of them, can't be 100% sure about that). And finally I decided to pay the $300 USD to bring the second girl back to my hotel room as I found her especially attractive (I would rank her as a 8). She was really my type (blonde, light eyes, beautiful smile, not too tall but not petite neither, perfect body, not vulgar in any way).

It was expensive but all in all I think it was worth it. The girl was less "impressive" when she left the club without the stockings, the super high heel and wearing regular clothes. However it confirmed my first impression: she was beautiful and adorable.

And then we spent about 2.5 hours together, having multiple intercourses and nice social time. I would describe the whole experience as GFE, with a lot of kissing, cuddling, intense DATY, even though I didn't get BBBJ (she told me during the private dance). She also seemed to enjoy her time with me, having two orgasms.

So, yes, it was expensive but in my opinion it was worth it. Spending 250€ for 2.5 hours of quality / GFE time with a girl like this (she may not be a true "8" but she was definitely was one of the most beautiful girl I had in my bed) is not a decision that I would regret anytime soon!

[Pierre1984]

I just came back this afternoon for my second trip in Kiev.

The first time was in 2012 and I had certainly the most pleasant P4P experience of my life with a cute semi-pro that I met at Shooters (both inexpensive and true GFE with a lot of kissing, BBBJ, intense sex and tenderness.).

I just came back today from my second trip in Kiev (3 nights). I spent much more money than in 2012 but I also had two great experiences with two different nice girls last night, again very GFE. Compared to many other destinations I had P4P (I never did FKK or brothels in Spain for example), I think Kiev is still great to meet both beautiful and friendly girls for GFE / quality time at your hotel (This is actually something I care about. I am most of my time staying in beautiful hotel rooms / suites when I travel and meeting a girl in a luxury environment (own music, sofa, nice comfy bed, good drinks) is something I find enjoyable).

Finally, I think Kiev is also an attractive destinations for those (like me) who love Slave girls. MagicSheep74 is talking about multiple destinations in the world but I guess only a few of them may have a high concentration of beautiful Slave girls.

In my case, I'm definitely OK to pay more to meet a lovely blonde girl with blue / green eyes rather than an Asian girl for example!

Agree with your post 100%. I just do not know why guys keep going back. I guess it is the pictures they see on the internet and we all know 99.5% of those are fake.