Kyiv

[Belvaros]

I have been all around recently and had a few days in Kiev and the pretty town of Lviv.

I tried a different approach and met some ladies via.

ukrainewoman.net

Many profiles are fake but here is how you sort the preset BOT response types so you can find the real ladies.

Lets assume your profile name is JB78.

1. Put up a simple profile saying you are keen on getting married and some nice words.

2. Put your pics up as private.

3. When you get messages (you will get 100's within days), delete all the messages which say "Hey JohnB, or JohnB78" as they are BOT sorted and delete any that say they are attracted to you (they aint seen your pics yet).

4. Look for quick response messages like 'I read your profile and am interested. Not the romantic garbage the website regurgitates and contact those ladies. Wink at them, hotlist them and email them and ask to see their private pics.

Any woman from that list who asks to see your pictures is for real (in my experience).

5. Email the women you are interested in, telling them you are in Kiev and will be hanging out at a certain cafe or bar at specific bands of time etc. They will respond and you will have to pay maybe a few $ to email again, so put your contact details in each email, every time.

6. Ask for a whatsapp number and supply yours.

Go and hang at the cafe you said you would be at for specific times and you will get quite a few hits. It can be a painstaking process to start with but I spent a few days sorting out the system as per above and I met 2-3 really nice lasses this way, 5-6 trolls and $$ types but they were all quite hot. I only bonked the older one of the 3 I liked but they were all 77-85/100 types. I am contacting them all again when I return. They are just normal type ladies looking for a man, not even semi pro.

I am moving on next time when I am back next week to try some of the lasses off relaxkiev.com as suggested here. Prices seem to be about 1000+ per hour for the 1st hour for lookers so I will try and let you know. For the quality of women Ukraine is cheap vs some of the dumps I go to where they all seem to want US $100 as starter. I have tried badoo and mamba and facebook etc but meh.

LVIV is fecking awesome BTW.

Party on Wayne.

[IWantYouNot]

If you need someone reliable to bring you to nice brothels in Kiev call this number. [Telephone Number deleted by Admin]

He's efficient and trustworthy.

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[Cristopher]

Hi,

What sites are good to fine gals in Kiev.

When I am in Kiev where can I fine gals.

What hotels are gals friendly.

Is the site relaxkiev any good.

Hi,

I have been to Kiev a few times and I have always looked for girls at RelaxKiev. Out of the three times I've done it, only once did the girl not match the girl in the photo (though I still went ahead to bang her because she didn't look bad), but it was nice on the other occasions. It's the only *****house I can recommend to you, though I am sure that you will come across more options. Greetings!

[Samcik]

Since I got a lot of messages and questions after my last post I decided to write more detailed one.

City beach club is the only beach club I know where you can actually meet girls, but you need to approach them first, buy them drinks, talk with them. Other clubs such as Olmeca are in suburbs and when I was there I only saw couples and families there. Keep in mind these places are seasonal.

Same thing with Chi, Avalon, Dali Park and etc nobody ever approached me first in these clubs. You need to be very sociable and spend some money, at least buy a drink and chat then you will figure out what she is after. I personally like being honest and straightforward. Its better to go these places with a group or with a wingman. Last time when I was Chi I noticed that there were less working girls, I was thinking maybe because of summer they're in vacation but one of my old friends told me that in order to keep their upscale club reputation club management cracking down on working girls. I personally don't believe this since people doing far worst things in CHI than paying girls for their services.

I don't visit brothels and places like RIo. I think these places are tourist traps. Instead of spending 300 $ in Rio and get crappy service I will visit german fkks and get far better service.

In general I don't think Ukraine is the best place for mongering. Russia is way better place for mongering than Ukraine. Yes Russia is more expensive and girls charge more money there, but at least they provide far better service, they don't try to fool you and they're more honest and straightforward. I wish I didn't need a visa to travel to Russia and relationship between US and Russia was less complicated.

Let me know if you will have more questions.

P.S. I'm 33 years old, skinny, average guy and I live in Chicago. My only advantage is I speak Russian fluently.

[Samcik]

Hello Sam,

Yours is a very good report. I met a man last year who helped me to find the brothels in the area around Baseina St. He quitted whatsapp earlier this year. I am unable to contact me. Do you know anyone who can bring me to those local brothels? Thanks.

Vodka.

Hey buddy,

Last time when I have been in brothel in Kiev 1 usd was 8 uah (before Euromaidan). I'm not fan of Ukrainian brothels, not many hot girls and shitty service. Instead of going brothel in Ukraine I go FKK clubs in Germany. If you really want to visit brothels you need a good taxi driver. Usually they know where are the brothels. You can approach those who stand in Central areas such as Khreshatik or Arena. But be careful, don't get robbed.

[OldShyGuy]

I have read everything that has been said about the club Rio before, and I understand everyone's opinion. However, even though it is expensive, I like the idea of looking at the product before purchasing. Besides, the unfriendly bouncers have always been nice to me, so I have no complaints.

Unfortunately, I have not been able to make it to Kiev this year yet, so I no longer feel familiar with RIO as before. I suppose that after all this time most dancers will be new to me. Besides, I heard that some new girls are taking advantage of the situation by making the man pay and then refusing to do much during the agreed date.

Therefore, I want to do as much research as possible before going back there to improve the chances of having a good experience. As such, I have two questions for any one who knows (and chooses to share the information):

1. - Do you have any name that I should definitely check out because you personally recommend the results?

2. - From the following list of names that was given to me by a friend who was there recently, what is your personal feedback, if you have any particular experience with the name?

(Lilia, Lisa, Emma, Oksana, Taya, Solomia, Jazmin, Anna).

Thank you for the information!

[Vodka66]

I returned from Kiev yesterday and here is my brief review about 6 days stay in Kiev. As soon as I arrived contacted my old contacts, 6 out of 8 were out of country (4 of them in Europe 2 in Turkey). I made a decision to take an advantage of this and meet new girls. After browsing a couple hours in mamba met with a 22 years old spinner. Paid 150 $ for 4 hours (dinner and sex). Next day met with 2 girls from tinder, since we didn't click just had lunch with them. For a dinner went to White terrace kelembet with my old friend from Amsterdam and we met group of 3 girls there, got their phone numbers and instagram accounts. One of them invited us to go City Beach club next day. Spent all day in City beach club, met another 21 year old girl there and had sex with her in changing room for 100 $. For dinner we went to Avalon and met group of guys from Sweden since they were fun we decided to go CHi next day all together, called and made table reservation (7000 uah minimum spend requirement for a table for 6). Chi was super fun and had blast there but discovered that less working girls than my previous visits. Managed to take one tall blonde home with me at 3 am, she was asking 300 $ first but after agreed for 200 $. She stayed all night with me and we had breakfast together. Saturday night went to Dali Park, almost every other girl in this club is semi pro but older age group (25 and up). Took super skinny redhead home for 200 spent 3 hours with her and since was super tired and wanted to sleep sent her home at 5 am..

Hello Sam,

Yours is a very good report. I met a man last year who helped me to find the brothels in the area around Baseina St. He quitted whatsapp earlier this year. I am unable to contact me. Do you know anyone who can bring me to those local brothels? Thanks.

Vodka.

[Samcik]

I want to share my experience I am living in Kiev almost 2 years, at first I started to look for only easy sex with prostitutes. But almost every experience I had was bad, so I promised myself that I won't never try them again. So, about semi-pros, or amateur girls that would agree to have sex with money. Yes, there are some but you won't find them if you don't know russian, mostly girls that speak english with you is a prostitute or escort, how you want to call. So, how to find a girl that worth to fuck. The best option for me was when I started to search girls through instagram. It is very easy to spot which girls on instagram more likely to have sex for something (gold diggers, who has photos on expensive places, with expensive gifts no photo with any men except it is notated that he is her only friend, travel too many countries etc.), not only cash but for some gifts. You can easily find these girls. If you follow some places' photos on instagram, mostly Avalon, on summer Queen Country Club, City Beach Club, Bora Bora, any place in Arena City (sky, famous, etc.) some good restaurants like Coin, Mr. Zuma, Serebro, there are some few I will add them in another time. So just follow some girls here and ask them to go out it is very easy, if they are into that they will agree. Another option is go for tinder for regulars but it is hard to have sex without russian. Most of these places have girls that have sex for money and better looking than girls you saw on internet sites. And you get what you see. To pick uni girls I suggest you to go Coyote Ugly Club, most of them young girls and you will probably find one or two but don't go alone if you can't keep up conversation with 2-3 girls because none of them go to clubs alone.

You have great point here but keep in mind these girls will not be cheap. Those who post photos from high end hotels, clubs, restaurants in Kiev, from Monaco, Spain, and other countries are professional gold diggers. They don't go for quantity.

[Stevie69]

Well, in North America, any party girl over 25 has also fucked a small truckload of men, but for free. More importantly, they are fat!

For money, and that most girls are or can be semi pros, why are some punters still harbor the idea of finding a wife there?

If a girl can sleep with a guy so quickly just because she thinks he can be husband material, who is to say she hasn't slept with many other guys just as quickly.

In terms of finding sex I think Ukraine is still a decent place if punters like their Slavic appearance, finding a wife I'm not so sure. Who wants to marry a girl that has fucked a truckload of guys?

[Sorbonne]

When Mamba girls post fake photos but then send you other photos saying these are the real photos, are they really the "real" photos?

Or do agencies still send fake photos?

[BsMontera]

I want to share my experience I am living in Kiev almost 2 years, at first I started to look for only easy sex with prostitutes. But almost every experience I had was bad, so I promised myself that I won't never try them again. So, about semi-pros, or amateur girls that would agree to have sex with money. Yes, there are some but you won't find them if you don't know russian, mostly girls that speak english with you is a prostitute or escort, how you want to call. So, how to find a girl that worth to fuck. The best option for me was when I started to search girls through instagram. It is very easy to spot which girls on instagram more likely to have sex for something (gold diggers, who has photos on expensive places, with expensive gifts no photo with any men except it is notated that he is her only friend, travel too many countries etc.), not only cash but for some gifts. You can easily find these girls. If you follow some places' photos on instagram, mostly Avalon, on summer Queen Country Club, City Beach Club, Bora Bora, any place in Arena City (sky, famous, etc.) some good restaurants like Coin, Mr. Zuma, Serebro, there are some few I will add them in another time. So just follow some girls here and ask them to go out it is very easy, if they are into that they will agree. Another option is go for tinder for regulars but it is hard to have sex without russian. Most of these places have girls that have sex for money and better looking than girls you saw on internet sites. And you get what you see. To pick uni girls I suggest you to go Coyote Ugly Club, most of them young girls and you will probably find one or two but don't go alone if you can't keep up conversation with 2-3 girls because none of them go to clubs alone.

[Jonathan Pine]

For money, and that most girls are or can be semi pros, why are some punters still harbor the idea of finding a wife there?

If a girl can sleep with a guy so quickly just because she thinks he can be husband material, who is to say she hasn't slept with many other guys just as quickly.

In terms of finding sex I think Ukraine is still a decent place if punters like their Slavic appearance, finding a wife I'm not so sure. Who wants to marry a girl that has fucked a truckload of guys?

[Tomek123]

You are welcome. I try.

Yes Stevie6,

Excellent report, thanks.

You are right -Yes. It's true. I know one Polish guy who fucked a girl 28 years after the second, marriage, date. In Poltava city. They met on some kind of dating site. He wrote to her that she was looking for a wife for living in Poland, the country of the European Union as it is known. She had a child of 7 years and she was divorced for two years. This is my friend and he is quite cheerful guy but I did not expect such speed from him. He invited her to visit him after the cafe, but she refused and said that maybe tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. The next day she realized what they wanted from her. At first she resisted a little for the sight, and even took his hand off her feet, but then.

She did him good BBBJ and generally fucked like a wife. Women in ukraine understand that sex is a new opportunity and it is better to give a man a lot of sex and thereby get a chance to change his life. Even if she can not get married. Well, and what did she lose? She fucked with a normal guy from no bad European country had a good sex. Especially if there is a prospect to improve their lives. Women in Ukraine a lot. So in the fight for the best men the best remedy and weapons is a lot of sex. I noticed that in this country the most successful women are those who do not think long and give a man a lot of sex. Such women in Ukraine are often more successful Than those who make a bet on a career or profession.

[Stevie69]

You are welcome. I try.

Saludos Stevie69. Thank you for the excellent report. Great job and good for you! When I am on the computer, I will post it on reports of distinction.

[Stevie69]

Girls have told me that nearly all girls are pros, as if it was common knowledge, not all that surprising. Those of us who remember the old Rive Palace will recall how it got incredibly packed in December (before the holiday season) and July (before vacation season). The surge in numbers was because of regular girls who needed a little extra money. Everyone has a price. Oligarch daughters expect a new car. Regular girls, a little less than that.

About the numbers, the cheap pros, who have sex 5 times per day, and even the expensive pros, who have sex with anyone for 100-200 USD (the price LV pays) a few times per week, probably rack up some serious numbers. However, the semi-pros in the middle range are relative virgins.

Most of them try to develop small groups of regulars. Even 4 local regulars, each paying 500 AUH once per month, make a huge difference to a young woman's income. Foreigners are far more lucrative. In my 3 trips this year, I have dropped at least 15,000 UAH on a single girl. She has a regular job, so this was all extra cash for her. If she has 2 or 3 other regulars who go once or twice per year each, she could nearly give up her regular job.

Of course, if they keep that up for 10 years, the numbers start to add up. However, it is still less than the numbers of Manhattan party girls who hit the nightclubs bars to pick up men every weekend for 12 years (18-30) before thinking about "settling down". They just do not realize that by the time they are 30, or worse, 35, it is way too late, as they are competing with unspoiled 22-year-old girls. But I digress.

Do their partners know? A few girls are married and it seems the husband chooses not to know how the wife makes all that extra money. "Do not ask, do not tell". Most a single mothers, and they do not have anyone to be accountable to. The young ones are students, with young boyfriends who are not serious and besides, these guys cannot afford to buy them anything. In their minds, it is not even cheating. Of course, there are a few who are in love, but in general, in Eastern Europe, women are far more open to the idea of sex for money. They grow up thinking that the man is the supplier (of money and the woman is the provider (of sex).

Once I picked up a girl who claimed to like me but would only go as far as a BJ "because she had a boyfriend", but was happy to accept 200 UAH "for her taxi". A girl told me that if there an option between two guys, one for free and one for money, she would choose the latter. Another girl told me that if she likes the guy, then it is not really prostitution; the money is just the man's way of saying "thank you". Rationalization and plausible deniability are powerful tools of self-deception.

It's always with great pleasure to read your reports. Highly informative. And I completely agree with your approach.

Do not overpay. This is so important but a lot of foreign guys just don't seem to get it. We think we're being generous and kind and can easily afford it. But in their culture men need to be strong and firm otherwise girls will lose respect for the men. Just because we can afford it doesn't mean we have to.

By the way I have a question, if most girls in Kiev are semi pros and sleep with guys so easily, how many sexual partners do typical Ukrainian girls have? The number must be astronomical! And surely local guys know all about it. How do their boyfriends and husbands feel about this? Surely most of the girls you and other punters sleep with have boyfriends or husbands.