Kyiv

[Jonathan Pine]

You need to change your strategy completely quickly if you want to salvage your trip. It doesn't seem to be going well so far. Most of us punters can relate somehow to what you're going through now.

No, there's nothing wrong with these women. They're just scammers. It's what they do. Don't waste any more time with them. Go outside of your flat or hotel, chat to girls in person. Smile. Good luck.

[CherchezFemme]

Re: taxis, I had 3-4 women ask me, after we had agreed to meet, if I was paying for their taxi. They really confused me, esp because 2 were in their 30's. Did they want to meet a man or not? 30 is ancient here! Ultimately I refused and saw none of them. 2 other women even refused to meet at the restaurant / lounge that I proposed, and proceeded to tell me where they wanted to go! WTF is wrong with some of these women? I guess that's why they're single, right?

1 more thing re taxis: just more proof how stupid some of these girls are. With most girls I paid 1000-1300, with 100 or 200 extra for taxi. With all 3 girls who came to my apartment, they took taxis coming and going. One lived way out in left bank. Her taxi was 160 one way, so say 300 round trip. Out of 1300 total, she spent 23% of what she made on a taxi!! $12 on taxis but she could have taken bus+metro round trip for 55 cents!

As I write this I'm getting more and more upset with myself, I realized how much time I wasted on Tinder and not out in the real world. Wasted time and energy on nasty, stupid greedy disrespectful women. Bottom of the barrel. Live and learn I guess.

[CherchezFemme]

Luis check your PMs.

When I come back to Ukraine I will do nothing but street and store / mall approach. I may also teach part-time to meet some regular girls.

They are prostitutes.

90 % of tinder is scum and prostitutes.

In Kiev the best and only real way to find normal girl is the street or mall.

Nightlife and online games are totally scum. Of 90 girl 1 2 are genuine.

P4P is one the worst in the world so far. This girl make themselves very strong behind a monitor because from the other side there is a pussyman real to pay 100 buck when normal Ukrainian will fuck free or maximum a pizza and coke. When you face them in street and run the game you can easily lower their asking, but you need practice and time to learn this.

[CherchezFemme]

http://imgur.com/a/CwLbe

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[Member #4722]

Have had some very good luck on Mamba I met almost all the girls I wanted to during my trip they were all pretty and good value. Only one that had the looks that really wowed me and I have spent a lot of time with that one. Only one girl was with fake photos but the girl that showed up was doable and turned out to be one of the best lays of the trip. Less than half of 10 or so Mamba girls did BBBJ.

Did have a bad situation from a girl I met at Caribbean club. LuisVega is going to love this one. Met a girl late one night when I was about to leave and got her number. We met late the next night for a date and P4 P was never discussed. She did not look as good without the dark lights of the club and now sober. But I wanted some company for dinner. To make a long story short this girl ordered a $130 bottle of champagne and I didn't know until I got the bill (I was drinking Jameson). I almost walked out and left her sitting there when I went to the bathroom. And then I figured the damage was done so still would try and get laid but went to kiss her and she turned the cheek.

There probably is some truth to what people say about the lack of really hot women for P4 P. I am not crazy picky and I have thought most of the girls I have been with are very pretty and the service has been generally better than what I get back at home. The really pretty girl I met just left we went for two fucks and lunch for $70 and she was literally turning heads when we were out in her short dress.

I will be willing to share some contacts via PM ONLY to those that have extensive posted reports on ISG. If not don't bother. The really hot one said I couldn't share her info but I have some other solid girls. Will be traveling to the end of the month and will not be checking ISG much.

Had a great trip in Kiev. Maybe the mongering isn't the best like Germany but if you want to talk about a bad place try Romania it's almost impossible to find a half decent escort there and the regular girls are very conservative and not willing to have one-night stands.

[BlissDps]

Please post pictures of the hot girls you've banged.

http://imgur.com/a/CwLbe

[LuisVega11]

Ok. None are models for sure. I am on a budget and not here primarily for p4 p. These girls were tremendous value convenient and cheap.

Please post pictures of the hot girls you've banged.

This was my last serious relation in Kiev. Meet her last year in center walking. Spend some day working hard to please her. We spend 3 months together night and day. She works, never asked anything. Sure I pay when we go out and sometimes I bought her some roses and gifts, but she never asked for anything. Because Kiev is full of girl like this but you won't find in tinder or in nightclub.

If she was 5 cm more she could have been a top model, because her face is complete natural and she was to die for. I couldn't even go out in top restaurant cause all Ukraine rich men looked her even if they were with girl with fake all lips boobs. But they couldn't even compare to a fresh h 22 years old natural Ukrainian beauty, with a super smile and casual attitude while most of those girl were silicon doll with zero attitude.

Just to put things in perspective. All photo made by me in my apartment. Cut face clearly for privacy.

[LuisVega11]

A few more thoughts on the thots found on Tinder and Kiev.

Tinder has the lowest quality girls for sure. Every other girl has a picture in Dubai; what the fuck are you doing in Dubai?? Some of them were doing serious prostitution, some were without a doubt Dubai porta potties. Yet many of them claimed to want a relationship.

They are prostitutes.

90 % of tinder is scum and prostitutes.

In Kiev the best and only real way to find normal girl is the street or mall.

Nightlife and online games are totally scum. Of 90 girl 1 2 are genuine.

P4P is one the worst in the world so far. This girl make themselves very strong behind a monitor because from the other side there is a pussyman real to pay 100 buck when normal Ukrainian will fuck free or maximum a pizza and coke. When you face them in street and run the game you can easily lower their asking, but you need practice and time to learn this.

[LuisVega11]

In fact, I did not see ANY of those girls whose numbers I posted (except for #1). They wanted too much in most cases and some were ugly.

Quality is relative. None are models. Two in the photos are 20 years old, and I am at a point where I prefer youth to beauty. I would rather fuck a 20 year old 6 than a 30 year old 8. I am also looking to settle down and have kids so that is why maybe I am favoring youth at the moment.

I think some, including you, are emphasizing looks. That's fine. But for me number one is performance and attitude. #1 gives the best head I've ever had. I have a little "problem" in that I have a difficult time coming from oral. I have had some of the highest rated girls in different countries, girls famous for their BJs, and I cannot come. This one has the perfect mouth position and perfect stroke and makes me come in just a few minutes. It is such a release for me. Plus she loves to be fucked long and hard and stays for 2 hours. The value is tremendous. However, I did get bored with her after 3 sessions bc she won't do greek and is plain-looking.

The apartment girl is maybe the best sex I've ever had. Performance and attitude are 10, slim, with thigh gap and large natural breasts.

I am not in Ukraine for p4 p and I agree, Ukraine is not best for p4p.

I am on a budget but even if I wasn't I would never ever spend $ 300 for a girl again. I did once, was waste of money. I did offer a Rio girl $300 a few years ago but she turned me down.

I agree that Ukraine is better to try to run game and get laid for free or maybe find a girl who is real semi-pro. Or a nice girl for family.

My experience in Ukraine is that as far as attitude if they like you they do what you want especially if you are rude and direct, boss's behavior style.

Apartment is interesting, just for the service, but the other two I not like at all, but if performance is ok is good.

If you are in a budget is good to point this girl, and I like the fact you realize they are pretty low quality with good attitude.

What I critic is not you or those honest. I cannot understand why people who fuck this girl for low money pretend to show other they fucked good or " excellent" girl.

I never spend more than 50 dollar for P4P in Kiev. I fucked many nice girl free cause I have time and attitude to play their game. Sure I spend restaurant and some gift, very small present and only after fucking. But those girl I fucked all night and day sometimes. While P4P you fuck just one hour and mostly service is minimal.

[CherchezFemme]

A few more thoughts on the thots found on Tinder and Kiev.

Tinder has the lowest quality girls for sure. Every other girl has a picture in Dubai; what the fuck are you doing in Dubai?? Some of them were doing serious prostitution, some were without a doubt Dubai porta potties. Yet many of them claimed to want a relationship.

[CherchezFemme]

In fact, I did not see ANY of those girls whose numbers I posted (except for #1). They wanted too much in most cases and some were ugly.

Quality is relative. None are models. Two in the photos are 20 years old, and I am at a point where I prefer youth to beauty. I would rather fuck a 20 year old 6 than a 30 year old 8. I am also looking to settle down and have kids so that is why maybe I am favoring youth at the moment.

I think some, including you, are emphasizing looks. That's fine. But for me number one is performance and attitude. #1 gives the best head I've ever had. I have a little "problem" in that I have a difficult time coming from oral. I have had some of the highest rated girls in different countries, girls famous for their BJs, and I cannot come. This one has the perfect mouth position and perfect stroke and makes me come in just a few minutes. It is such a release for me. Plus she loves to be fucked long and hard and stays for 2 hours. The value is tremendous. However, I did get bored with her after 3 sessions bc she won't do greek and is plain-looking.

The apartment girl is maybe the best sex I've ever had. Performance and attitude are 10, slim, with thigh gap and large natural breasts.

I am not in Ukraine for p4 p and I agree, Ukraine is not best for p4p.

I am on a budget but even if I wasn't I would never ever spend $ 300 for a girl again. I did once, was waste of money. I did offer a Rio girl $300 a few years ago but she turned me down.

I agree that Ukraine is better to try to run game and get laid for free or maybe find a girl who is real semi-pro. Or a nice girl for family.

Well you summed my point of view.

I answer to some post behind stating from your point.

1- all the girl posted in the post are low to very low quality and still they ask a lot of money for they value. I called one that send me photo, I would not even fuck free, and she asked 1900 gryvna. Another 1500. And this girl are so fucking low quality in Kiev. I'd say 4-5. Sure in my country they could be not very bad but so if I want to fuck this kind of girl I stay in my country don't go and spend 1000 euro fixed investment plus flexible money to have 3 fuck of one hour with this kind of girl. MY POINT in fact was " don't go to Kiev for p4 p". Is totally useless if you want fuck model, you can put you need same money as anywhere in the world maybe much more.

2- under 2000 the level of P4P is low to medium, if you very luck. The s photo those posted by tomes and those you can find in Kiev-x. In clearly show that for 1000 you fuck low quality. I sometimes fuck under 1000 but is low quality I would never say they are nice, AR excellent girl. And I can say they are better than what I see in the photo gallery.

3- gia start from 200 to 250 for very good quality. I'ts from 5200 to 6500 gryvna hour. 3000 not exist anywhere in gia webstiet. You can fuck for discount price some girl, the low er quality at 150 dollar, but really those I see in gia website under discount I fucked same level in Kiev and Kharkiov for free or max 1000. So Gia is as expensive as any website in London. Point. And is the only website you can be certain of photos.

4- Kiev is for fucking free girl, sure you need to invest some money, and you need game and presence. But if you understand the game you can fuck very good girl. P4P is not good at all.

5- SEMI Pro who at first message in fiber tells: " are you in Kiev " are not semi pro. Are prostitutes. Semi pro are girl who fuck for money once every 3 months. Not every day. Semi pro is what any monger going to Kiev should aim for. But as I said is very difficult if you don't have at least two of the tree diamond quality.

Any way I'd fuck the girl in apartment cause she takes in ass easily but her care of skin and aspect of into part is not the best I'd say.

[CherchezFemme]

Please don't take it personal, but I would never fuck any of these girls.

Ok. None are models for sure. I am on a budget and not here primarily for p4 p. These girls were tremendous value convenient and cheap.

Please post pictures of the hot girls you've banged.

[CherchezFemme]

You banged prostitutes. They have nothing to do with semi pro. Not personal but we must be clear if we want to improve as community. I send some message in fiber all ready to fuck in one hour.

Semi pros are normal girl who have a job you meet online mostly in street and after some exit they agree to have a relation sex for support. Those who ask you are in Kiev want meet at first message are prostitute.

I agree, they are pros. I will PM you with a related issue.

[Jonathan Pine]

Sorry, I have to disagree, 100 grivna, is normal and a sign of respect. This common all over the world, you will be real unsuccessful if you do not pay for Taxis. Now 100-150 is the most you should ever pay. I am pretty hard on Ukraine women, but I am okay with paying for a taxi it is just polite and 99% you may way more then there salary.

Paying 100 grivna for taxi to some girls one's never met before is a sure way to not get laid. It's not a sign of respect, it's a sign of I'm a naive foreigner and it's open season on me. It's not only that. They'll also lose all respect on you. Local girls like "strong men."

Girls don't do this to local guys. Local guys also don't do this.

I agree with Bliss. Read his comments in another post.

[Stevie69]

I use the metro, why should I pay for a girls's taxi? If I ask her to rush, then maybe. Otherwise, she can choose how she gets here. It is the cost of doing business. Why separate the taxi? How about the shoes? Or the make-up? Or the hair? Or the nails? Or the condoms?

Sorry, I have to disagree, 100 grivna, is normal and a sign of respect. This common all over the world, you will be real unsuccessful if you do not pay for Taxis. Now 100-150 is the most you should ever pay. I am pretty hard on Ukraine women, but I am okay with paying for a taxi it is just polite and 99% you may way more then there salary.