Kyiv

[Riina]

This is 100% correct, they would much be with a local guy and for the most parts, Ukraine guys are real nice people.

Refreshing to hear someone on this forum say Ukraine guys are real nice people. There use to be a frenchman here that would post how beastly Ukraine guys were towards their girls. I have no idea where that comes from, Western men are way more abrasive towards their women in my experience.

http://geometria.tv/places/stereoclu...t=Album:964537

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0jsx16ifbM

Drama, in my US city, we have these pacts of young Ukrainians roaming the town. I have never seen girls have such a twinkle in their eyes towards their own guys. Hot girls that could easily elevate their social status with Americans. Do I see them mixing? Only a rare few. I was browsing Geometria the other day and surprisingly came across a photo gallery of a club I sometimes frequent in my own neighborhood. If you look at the photos, everybody is Ukrainian, even the black guys. This use to be a very good Euro club that would draw guys from throughout the city, but young guys won't go there because it's impossible to pull unless you are Ukrainian. I posted a link to a youtube video of a pact, but there's like ten more groups like this that I know of.

I'm not trying to discourage anyone from Ukraine. The opportunities are there, but don't be delusional to reality.

[BellBottomsDJ]

Send her a map with the address of where you wish to meet, time of meeting and say that is convenient for you and ask her to confirm. If you are paying you choose the venue and if she argues then she is probably too much bother.

Just another FYI, I went ahead and replied to girls one with "sorry, but no. I am not taking you to a high end place for dinner just to get acquainted. If you want to meet somewhere, then there are coffee shops all over the city that will be just fine. And if that doesn't work, then its $100 for an hour at my place or 300 for the night like we agreed, so let me know". Hahaha. To which she replied "I'll think about it". Haha. She's a sleeze!

[BellBottomsDJ]

Send her a map with the address of where you wish to meet, time of meeting and say that is convenient for you and ask her to confirm. If you are paying you choose the venue and if she argues then she is probably too much bother.

Perfect. That makes sense to me.

Thank you.

[GDreams]

Okay, I have run into 2 girls today from mamma that are confirmed selling their service that are telling me they want to meet in a cafe first before we go to my apartment to "do the deed" because they want to get to know me first. The second one I have not replied to, but the first on I agreed to and said "okay, do you know where Wato is? We can meet there and have lunch and get acquainted" to which she replied "Yes, but I don't like that place. We can go to Buddha Bar, Avalon, Touch Cafe". Now I do not know much about Avalon or Touch Cafe, but I know Buddha bar and the prices are not justifiable for what I would consider a simple meet and greet to get acquainted for a simple 1-2 hour arrangement at my apartment. I can see within reason meeting at a locals small coffee shop for a quick meeting, but I am assuming this is a scam to get a big expensive dinner. Anyone else have this happen before? How did you handle it?

Send her a map with the address of where you wish to meet, time of meeting and say that is convenient for you and ask her to confirm. If you are paying you choose the venue and if she argues then she is probably too much bother.

[Koslighet]

Hello,

I am going to Kiev for a few weeks anyone else want to meet and head out to town together? I'm in my mid 30's, I look OK and I have been many times to Ukraine before.

[BellBottomsDJ]

Sponsorship is financial support with a return of benefits ranging from an occasional sexual service to full out girlfriend.

Just go do your thing in Kiev and and when you find chemistry, your questions will all be answered. Keep in mind most guys with significant time in Kiev are looking for more complicated relationships then just an hour p4 p session. The days of a traveler economically justifying a pussy run to Kiev is way over.

I thank you very much for the feedback. This clears some things up. I am still puzzled about your comment that "The days of a traveler economically justifying a pussy run to Kiev is way over". If you feel I am not looking at this the same way as you are, or I am getting ripped off, but I just got a mamba account last night, spent 3-4 hours on there and have 10-15 confirmed $100 per hour or $300 12 hour a night good looking girls ready to meet and asking when I am available and even for my address. They are asking $150 USD mostly, but $2500-3000 UAH seems to close the deal. Am I missing the point you are telling me? With all respect of course. I am curious what you mean that its over.

[BellBottomsDJ]

Okay, I have run into 2 girls today from mamma that are confirmed selling their service that are telling me they want to meet in a cafe first before we go to my apartment to "do the deed" because they want to get to know me first. The second one I have not replied to, but the first on I agreed to and said "okay, do you know where Wato is? We can meet there and have lunch and get acquainted" to which she replied "Yes, but I don't like that place. We can go to Buddha Bar, Avalon, Touch Cafe". Now I do not know much about Avalon or Touch Cafe, but I know Buddha bar and the prices are not justifiable for what I would consider a simple meet and greet to get acquainted for a simple 1-2 hour arrangement at my apartment. I can see within reason meeting at a locals small coffee shop for a quick meeting, but I am assuming this is a scam to get a big expensive dinner. Anyone else have this happen before? How did you handle it?

[EnricoMacias]

There is not an upper limit as you can predict. The poor wolves may even demand 2 k dollars for 1 hour. (just try to empathy, if they fool 1 fish every month, no need to stretch their pussy for the rest of the month).

Now, I think you should position for 1 hour first. 1500-2000 uah is enough for the first meeting.

After first meeting, 1000 uah will be enough for 1-2-3 hours for the second, third, . Meetings.

I have 15-20 girls who can satisfy me 2-3 hours for only 1000 uah. We call each other "my friend'. It has become a strange relation with these friends, I remember the first meetings with them. I did not care about them and just treated them in a way which they deserved. Now, we are talking about my business, their life, their kids, their family and we start sex after asking "shall we start?

If you want to hire professional agencies.

Gia starts with 150 dollars. The good girls are 200 - 300 dollars.

Darling club girls should be around 1600 uah, which is 60 usd.

Rio girls are always 300 dollars, but you should also spend around 100 usd in the club before taking the girls.

I did not meet with any girl from my dear mamasan but when I asked the price during my last visit 22-September, she told me there is an increase and her girls now 1800 uah (70 usd).

But, I do not prefer to meet the girls from from agencies because they only do covered blowjob and vaginal sex, nothing else.

It is better to find some fuck buddies whom you can support financially.

Hello,

I am going to Kiev this February.

How much does a young girl (22 years of pro-, semipro-, or amateur) usually require for a 2-hour in an apartment?

(though it should greatly depend upon her).

Which do they prefer, euro or USD?

Thank you for your useful information.

[Riina]

I appreciate that no one wants to repeat what has already been posted, but I want to talk about this "sponsorship" topic. Don't tell me to read the past posts because I spent 2 months reading a year long book of 102 pages and I am pretty much over it now. I don't go to Kiev enough to pay some chick to live an apartment that I pay for while she fucks 10 other dudes in it for money, and I am learning real quickly that I trust these girls about as much as a I trust a woman on Obamacare that says "Its okay baby, cum inside me. I'm on the pill! Nope! So how do we exploit this belief of "sponsorship"? Give me some thoughts. I have some of my own, but I want to hear some feedback from you guys.

Sponsorship is financial support with a return of benefits ranging from an occasional sexual service to full out girlfriend.

Just go do your thing in Kiev and and when you find chemistry, your questions will all be answered. Keep in mind most guys with significant time in Kiev are looking for more complicated relationships then just an hour p4 p session. The days of a traveler economically justifying a pussy run to Kiev is way over.

[BellBottomsDJ]

Hello,

I am going to Kiev this February.

How much does a young girl (22 years of pro-, semipro-, or amateur) usually require for a 2-hour in an apartment?

(though it should greatly depend upon her).

Which do they prefer, euro or USD?

Thank you for your useful information.

I have been hitting Mamba pretty hard with a good reply rate once I figured it out (it's worth the $10) to filter the language and the "sex" option so you don't deal with girls that want to get into relationships and are there for PFP. The good looking ones are asking $100-150 per hour mostly or $300 a night seems to work when I offer. I am talking each one down to $100 USD for an hour pretty easily, but I haven't tried lower.

[Deer1234]

Hello,

I am going to Kiev this February.

How much does a young girl (22 years of pro-, semipro-, or amateur) usually require for a 2-hour in an apartment?

(though it should greatly depend upon her).

Which do they prefer, euro or USD?

Thank you for your useful information.

[BellBottomsDJ]

I appreciate that no one wants to repeat what has already been posted, but I want to talk about this "sponsorship" topic. Don't tell me to read the past posts because I spent 2 months reading a year long book of 102 pages and I am pretty much over it now. I don't go to Kiev enough to pay some chick to live an apartment that I pay for while she fucks 10 other dudes in it for money, and I am learning real quickly that I trust these girls about as much as a I trust a woman on Obamacare that says "Its okay baby, cum inside me. I'm on the pill! Nope! So how do we exploit this belief of "sponsorship"? Give me some thoughts. I have some of my own, but I want to hear some feedback from you guys.

[BellBottomsDJ]

Its been a while since I did this but my experience was if money is mentioned up front then why go to dinner? Expect that 30-50% of the time the girl will no show. Of the rest some you won't like and some won't like you. Then either she will agree to head back with you, ask you for money to go back with you or make an excuse. Asking for money can take the form of I lost my phone can you help me with it or something similar. If they are not a pro it is their way of getting cash without admitting to themselves they are prostitutes. Sometime you only need to offer to buy some perfume or cosmetics and they will be happy. If you just want sex for money then be upfront about it in the initial conversation and save the angst.

Ahhh, I think this post sheds a little light on the matter. Good timing.

[UaAdviser]

UaAdviser,

I will try to message you soon.

Some sad stories about international marriage. This will just happen every where anyways US, UK, Asia bla bla bla whatever. All I know is that I can't get girls with that kind of quality in US, I got to go there. I got to take risk no other choices. Different people have different preferences in life. My only preference is girls and money. Although I have not made enough money yet but I'm willing to let go my business for a relatively longer time so I can stay in Ukraine.

Hello!

Not a problem. You can message me when you will be in Ukraine) I am an open person.

Don't know anything about the international marriages and related problems. I just having fun without any serious intentions regarding to the girls!

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[AlphaDude]

Its been a while since I did this but my experience was if money is mentioned up front then why go to dinner? Expect that 30-50% of the time the girl will no show. Of the rest some you won't like and some won't like you. Then either she will agree to head back with you, ask you for money to go back with you or make an excuse. Asking for money can take the form of I lost my phone can you help me with it or something similar. If they are not a pro it is their way of getting cash without admitting to themselves they are prostitutes. Sometime you only need to offer to buy some perfume or cosmetics and they will be happy. If you just want sex for money then be upfront about it in the initial conversation and save the angst.

Ya, I'm not messaging them as prostitutes.

Just like I would normally on a dating site and the response has been good so far.

I am getting Instagram and WhatsApp numbers from most of the girls that are serious about it. To be honest I'd be very surprised if any of them asked for money since they were not approached as hookers.

But only time will tell. See if these girls actually show up.

On a side note: If anybody knows how to purchase a VIP for another member, please share as I can't seem to figure it out.