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[Volpone]

You spoke to them in English, both the person who picked up the phone and the girl? Was it a bait and switch per the backpage ad?

Thanks for answering.

It wasn't a bait and switch as I got a similar girl to the one on the photos and a good quality of service. I usually don't use backpage, because it's too expensive for Kiev and half of the money goes to the pimp. I also notice that it's even more pricey this year than last year. I prefer using Mamba, but it's sometimes pretty tough to get a decent price on Mamba, so you can end up without sex during a few days and more.

I could communicate with him in English on What's up, just by typing.

Anyway expect everything with backpage or Mamba or other escorts websites, you can get the best or the worst. Never believe what you see as photos, never believe, what they say. Just make everything clear again when the girl is in your flat. And if she agrees with your desires, it should be ok. If not, just open the door and send her away by paying the taxi.

[MasterHoMaster]

Last year I did, but just once. She was a cute 22 years old blond girl and her service was very good. She didn't speed up, I took my time and we talked a bit after sex.

Cunnilingus, Kissing and sex included in the price, needed to pay an extra for BBBJ. She was working for a pimp and getting the half of the amount I paid. Around 60 $ for 1 hour.

It must have been one bad week where I could surely not get a quality girl for a low price on Mamba, so I decided to spend a bit more money as usual and to help the pimp to survive too and to be able to buy an Iphone one day.

You spoke to them in English, both the person who picked up the phone and the girl? Was it a bait and switch per the backpage ad?

Thanks for answering.

[Volpone]

Has anyone had any luck in backpage? It's obvious that there are the usual agencies spamming there but has anyone found a semi pro there? Or even ordered a girl from an agency off backpage?

Last year I did, but just once. She was a cute 22 years old blond girl and her service was very good. She didn't speed up, I took my time and we talked a bit after sex.

Cunnilingus, Kissing and sex included in the price, needed to pay an extra for BBBJ. She was working for a pimp and getting the half of the amount I paid. Around 60 $ for 1 hour.

It must have been one bad week where I could surely not get a quality girl for a low price on Mamba, so I decided to spend a bit more money as usual and to help the pimp to survive too and to be able to buy an Iphone one day.

[MasterHoMaster]

Has anyone had any luck in backpage? It's obvious that there are the usual agencies spamming there but has anyone found a semi pro there? Or even ordered a girl from an agency off backpage?

[Volpone]

Hi Volpone,

Thank you for the interesting comparison. Let me add my 2 cents.

In Kiev.

It is possible to pay 100 $/ night for a girl or even 200 $/ night (Yes you can get at least a 6-7-8 for those prices in the 18-24 years range).

In Canada or USA. For 200 $ a similar quality girl for an hour max.

And yes sometimes. Foreigners in Kiev pay 100 $/ HR for girls too, but that is the Foreigners overpaying.

One just has to shop around well in mamba, vk or K-Street. It is possible.

I have done it every year and I have seen other people do it.

And I have seen people overpaying too.

That makes the comparison easier.

Ciao.

Misc.

Hi Misc,

Thanks for your info about the price of escorts in USA. It seems nearly the same as Berlin.

You are absolutely right, that's still possible to pay 100 $ for a girl for one full night and even less, but that's not easy to get that price on Mamba with a new girl. Many guys prefer to pay 100 $ for 1 or 2 hours than to try bargaining a bit like we did and we do.

For you it's really easy, because you just have to choose among your contacts, to make a phone call and one of your available girl will come to your place. I am sure you even don't talk about the price, you just let the money near her clothes at the end of the session or after the night. That's what I do anyway. So we even don't need to look for new girls, we just have to choose among the old one we already knew.

This Summer the first month I was there, I tried to get some new girls. I got two new one: I got a kind of 5-6 quality girls. Fortunately I have my old ones 7-8, otherwise it would have been a nightmare.

[Viajando Musico]

Well, I have made trips to all three cities that you have mentioned. I had great times in all three. I guess, as in all things, your results will depend a lot on you and what you are really looking for. Just some thoughts:

1. For me, coming from the USA, flights to Colombia were way cheaper.

2. I was lucky and hit all trips when the dollar was very strong vs. The local currency, but that is a consideration.

3. Due to the currency exchange rate when I was there, dining in Kiev was less expensive than Colombia. I have not kept up with prices so I do not know if that is still true.

4. At the time nice lodging was very affordable in both countries.

5. As far as the looks of the women, its personal taste. I like the Ukrainian, thin blondes better. Many love the look of Colombians better.

6. I found the attitudes of the Colombian girls more to my liking. More GFE available from more girls. But I also never felt that a session in Kiev was a waste either!

7. In Bogota and Kiev you will have to do a bit of work to meet the ladies. In Medellin, the Mansion is kind of like a FKK, with ladies on premise.

8. I would go back to any of the 3 cities in a heartbeat!

Hope this is of some help. (Jackson are you going to flog me for using hard returns?

Thanks for your input. After RTFF back at least 6 months of posts in Kiev thread, I think Kiev requires much more efforts for one to enjoy the place for a few days. The flights from where I am coming from cost about the same. Dollars is still strong against both currencies. Hotels and restaurants cost similarly in both countries. But one biggest advantage (or drawback) is the language. I feel I will be totally lost in Kiev while I could be enjoying a conversation with a chica in Colombia. Girls in both countries are beautiful in different ways, but from my past encounters with them. Similar to your experience, I think I will do better with a Colombiana.

[Misc123]

Hi Volpone,

Thank you for the interesting comparison. Let me add my 2 cents.

In Kiev.

It is possible to pay 100 $/ night for a girl or even 200 $/ night (Yes you can get at least a 6-7-8 for those prices in the 18-24 years range).

In Canada or USA. For 200 $ a similar quality girl for an hour max.

And yes sometimes. Foreigners in Kiev pay 100 $/ HR for girls too, but that is the Foreigners overpaying.

One just has to shop around well in mamba, vk or K-Street. It is possible.

I have done it every year and I have seen other people do it.

And I have seen people overpaying too.

That makes the comparison easier.

Ciao.

Misc.

I am quite impressed, and I am sure I am not the only one, how much these Mamba's girls can get in 2 hours of work.

So I compare what guys in London, in Berlin and in the USA pay for 2 hours escorts. Of course Mamba's girls are a bit special, as they usually don't work for an escort agency. Many of them just work once in a while, part time or for a period of time. So I won't compare with the escort agencies in Kiev where the girls get around the half of the price. A Mamba girl has usually no pimp and gets the full amount in her pocket.

Concerning the salaries, I take into account a more or less average salary. In Kiev it's difficult to estimate it as most of the people earn around 4-7000 UAH a month and less with a full time job. So I choose 5000 UAH that is now around 200 $.

Berlin, 19000 euro a year = 21000 $ / 12 = 1750 $ a month.

London, 48000 a year = 59600 $ / 12 = 4970 $ a month.

USA, 40 000 $ a year. 40000 $ / 12 = 3333 $.

Escorts in Berlin: 199 - 385 $ for 2 hours, I mean you can get an escort for 200 $ for 2 hours in Berlin, that's the cheapest price.

Escorts in London: 300 - 600 $ for 2 hours.

Escorts in the USA: I haven't a clue. I am sure someone can give some info. There are surely many differences between states.

About both cities I started with the cheapest price for escorts and I go up to the middle. Of course you can pay much more in these cities, but still many escorts are available in these given price ranges.

Consequently that's the new price in Berlin for a 2 hours escort:

1750/2 = 875 $.

In London it would be:

4970/2 = 2485 $ for 2 hours escort.

Of course on these salaries they have to pay some taxes, so we might take off the 20 %.

Berlin: 700 $ for 2 hours.

London: a bit less than 2000 $.

I would not say that it's absolutely precise, but I think it gives us an idea how much money we give to these girls. 100 $ that's the third, the half of a monthly pay and even the monthly pay for some people. To be a Mamba girl looking for a sponsor, that's the most well paid job there.

3 meetings a week 300$ X 4 = 1200 $ a month = 25000 UAH, about 4-5 monthly pay.
That's so easy to get 1200 $ a month for these girls...

[Volpone]

Volpone that's not mathematics! An iphone in Ukraine costs almost the same than in US and a lot of people have an iphone. In Ukraine there are rich people, not too many but yes there are. Normal people in Ukraine don't pay for sex, only rich people and tourists do it. So, makes no sense to do a comparation between the medium salary and the cost of an escort or the cost of an iphone.

I agree with you that electronic devices cost nearly the same as in Western Europe. I also agree with you that there are rich people in Ukraine, and especially in Kiev where salaries are higher than in the rest of the country.

I also agree with you that guys with a 3-7000 UAH salary don't spend 100 $ for sex. They might go to some cheap flats where I've been too, to have sex for 4-500 UAH or they might just get a girlfriend or wank.

However you know that we can live without an IPhone or a smartphone. That's not a necessity for life. With a low salary it's more important to get food and to have a roof. Moreover you can buy a smartphone for around 100 $, so for a Mamba girl, that's just 2 hours work.

I made these comparisons to show that there is something wrong with these girls getting so much money with respect to their fellow citizens or girls doing the same job in other countries. Furthermore in some other countries of the planet, non-pros or semi-pros girls get much less for 2 hours sex. Moreover when the salaries were higher in Kiev, when inhabitants of Kiev have a more important purchasing power than now, prices were cheaper. With 100 $ you could get a girl for the night. Don't forget that rent prices are very expensive in London and eating in a restaurant is also much more expensive than in Kiev. So I think they are just screwing us when we pay that price.

[Ivanvlad]

I am quite impressed, and I am sure I am not the only one, how much these Mamba's girls can get in 2 hours of work.

So I compare what guys in London, in Berlin and in the USA pay for 2 hours escorts. Of course Mamba's girls are a bit special, as they usually don't work for an escort agency. Many of them just work once in a while, part time or for a period of time. So I won't compare with the escort agencies in Kiev where the girls get around the half of the price. A Mamba girl has usually no pimp and gets the full amount in her pocket.


I would not say that it's absolutely precise, but I think it gives us an idea how much money we give to these girls. 100 $ that's the third, the half of a monthly pay and even the monthly pay for some people. To be a Mamba girl looking for a sponsor, that's the most well paid job there.

3 meetings a week 300$ X 4 = 1200 $ a month = 25000 UAH, about 4-5 monthly pay.
That's so easy to get 1200 $ a month for these girls...

Volpone that's not mathematics! An iphone in Ukraine costs almost the same than in US and a lot of people have an iphone. In Ukraine there are rich people, not too many but yes there are. Normal people in Ukraine don't pay for sex, only rich people and tourists do it. So, makes no sense to do a comparation between the medium salary and the cost of an escort or the cost of an iphone.

[Riina]

I would not say that it's absolutely precise, but I think it gives us an idea how much money we give to these girls. 100 $ that's the third, the half of a monthly pay and even the monthly pay for some people. To be a Mamba girl looking for a sponsor, that's the most well paid job there.

Good point Volpne. Hundred dollars is an incredible amount of money in Kiev. Any girl that asks for more is trying to manipulate the situation and will probably deliver poor service.

[Volpone]

I am quite impressed, and I am sure I am not the only one, how much these Mamba's girls can get in 2 hours of work.

So I compare what guys in London, in Berlin and in the USA pay for 2 hours escorts. Of course Mamba's girls are a bit special, as they usually don't work for an escort agency. Many of them just work once in a while, part time or for a period of time. So I won't compare with the escort agencies in Kiev where the girls get around the half of the price. A Mamba girl has usually no pimp and gets the full amount in her pocket.

Concerning the salaries, I take into account a more or less average salary. In Kiev it's difficult to estimate it as most of the people earn around 4-7000 UAH a month and less with a full time job. So I choose 5000 UAH that is now around 200 $.

Berlin, 19000 euro a year = 21000 $ / 12 = 1750 $ a month.

London, 48000 a year = 59600 $ / 12 = 4970 $ a month.

USA, 40 000 $ a year. 40000 $ / 12 = 3333 $.

Escorts in Berlin: 199 - 385 $ for 2 hours, I mean you can get an escort for 200 $ for 2 hours in Berlin, that's the cheapest price.

Escorts in London: 300 - 600 $ for 2 hours.

Escorts in the USA: I haven't a clue. I am sure someone can give some info. There are surely many differences between states.

About both cities I started with the cheapest price for escorts and I go up to the middle. Of course you can pay much more in these cities, but still many escorts are available in these given price ranges.

Consequently that's the new price in Berlin for a 2 hours escort:

1750/2 = 875 $.

In London it would be:

4970/2 = 2485 $ for 2 hours escort.

Of course on these salaries they have to pay some taxes, so we might take off the 20 %.

Berlin: 700 $ for 2 hours.

London: a bit less than 2000 $.

I would not say that it's absolutely precise, but I think it gives us an idea how much money we give to these girls. 100 $ that's the third, the half of a monthly pay and even the monthly pay for some people. To be a Mamba girl looking for a sponsor, that's the most well paid job there.

3 meetings a week 300$ X 4 = 1200 $ a month = 25000 UAH, about 4-5 monthly pay.
That's so easy to get 1200 $ a month for these girls...

[DramaFree11]

Sorry, Shooters is one of the worst clubs I have ever been to in my life. You will be real disappointed. Ugly women and lots of Turkish guys. Night life is pretty good on Friday's, dead the rest of the week.

[Riina]

Which clubs do you go for these? I am getting tired of same Sky / Chi / the-Lux type places. Lots of young girls everywhere. Streets, metro. Best to approach them during the day, but no everyone can do that. Patipa used to be good but it is closed now.

In terms of picking up CHI is def overrated but the girls are amazing and I like the type of music they play a lot.

I found Shooters to be my best option, but some nights were pretty terrible. All the clubs are worth trolling through, go wherever you enjoy the scene. I personally just dislike glamour and silly prices in a poor country.

If I was a shy guy in Kiev, I would try to find monger friends. Not so difficult to spot a hunter on K street with similar interests and befriend.

[Sean EZ]

Yep. The whole glamour model scene should be avoided in Kiev. I like young GND's, the more naive the better.

Which clubs do you go for these? I am getting tired of same Sky / Chi / the-Lux type places. Lots of young girls everywhere. Streets, metro. Best to approach them during the day, but no everyone can do that. Patipa used to be good but it is closed now.

In terms of picking up CHI is def overrated but the girls are amazing and I like the type of music they play a lot.

[Riina]

Chi is very overrated place. If you don't speak russian or don't go with someone who speaks russian most places like CHI will be total waste of your money and time.

Yep. The whole glamour model scene should be avoided in Kiev. I like young GND's, the more naive the better.