Kyiv

[Rammstein2]

Its definitely a money burner, by the time you come home with a dancer you have spend $400 or more for taxi, drinks, tips, private dances, and you get covered blowjob, and if you don't know better the girl stays less than 3 hours. If you want bare blowjob you must ask them before paying $300.

BTW- how much RIO is charging locals in GRIVNA for taking a girl home?

The last weeks and months I talked a lot with the girls and the people about the incomes and salaries in the Ukraine. So I can tell you the following real things and examples for Kiew:

- pension from a old woman who worked 40 years for the Ukrainian State: 1. 000 Griwna (37 Euro) a month.

- pension of an average old man 1.500 Griwna (53 Euro).

- student who was standing in a shop for a month 2. 000 to 2. 500 grw (70 - 90 Euros).

- average simple workers salary 3.000 to 4.000 Griwna (110 -150 Euros).

- average employee in an office 4.000 to 8.000 Griwna (150 - 300 Euros).

- "little or middle" manager 8.000 to 12.000 Griwna (300 - 450 Euros).

Think about these salaries when you are paying 2 or 3 monthly salaries to girls who are arrogant or not willing to do their job for this money or who are not doing a BBBJ. I do not like to give a good looking girl with good service more than 1000 grw for some hours. Its a lot of money for these girls and there are a lot of girls who are super happy about this amount especially when they can visit you more often.

[Rammstein2]

Jan the 500 grw Blowjobgirl called me at 10 o' clock in the morning to come at 11.00. I agreed. She came in time, washed her hands, brushed her teeth and left at about 12.00.

During the BJ my MILF from day 5 wrote me to have something to eat at 13.00. I agreed and went to "la Cantina" an Italian Restaurant close to the Dnjepr. I took a quattro formagio and we have had a nice talk and meal. During the meal I used some minutes to make a date with "Baby 18" from Mamba who wrote for a meeting today. She already has given me her Viber number but she did not answer when I wrote her in the last days. So we made a date for 16.00.

She was very late and arrived at about 17.00. First I thought it was a fake but when she arrived I believed her that there was a big traffic jam. It was very hot and her face was very red. But what a beautiful girl. On the fotos she sent to me I thought she is 20 or 21 yo. I made some fotos of her. Unfortunately I made a date at 18.30 so we only had one hour. She had a great body and great breasts. I gave her 30 . She asked for coming more often. We will stay in contact.

At 18.30 I met a 36 yo woman from Mamba who was not looking for sponsoring in Cafe Mafia at Maidan. She could speak good German. Later we went to Obolon its a nice area at the Dnjepr river on an other side of the city. A very clean and rich and not so busy area. We have been in a restaurant there. Great evening and I came home very late.

[Volpone]

If anyone sessions with Zoya or Masha (or both at same time) please write a report I want to find out what I missed!

You did nothing wrong, that's absolutely normal with mamba girls. It happened to me a few times. A girl says that she will come to my place and she never comes. With the amount you spent in 4 days, I can have sex 3 times a week during one month in Kiev. I usually pay mamba girls around 800-1250 UAH for one hour, oral without. To do that, you need lots of time, to have some girls that you already met and you can count on them.

[Poker Player 2]

I had very similar experience with GIA. Girls in this business get out of hand; I am concerned with how the agency handles customer complaints. This agency is the price leader in what they do but their actual service and the quality of most of their girls is at best average. When I called to complain about one of their girls deciding to leave early, their reaction was very unhelpful.

Best wishes,

Poker Player 2.

Kiev Four-Day Trip Report.

Had a short trip in Kiev and it started off bad but got a lot better. Great city very affordable I stayed at Olga Apartments in city center had a great room for $50/ night it was just a studio but right by main McDonalds and the guys that run the apartments are great and very helpful.

On to the girls. I had my eye on this girl Zoya from Mamba. She is a very beautiful young redhead. I have browsed Mamba for two months before my trip and saved any contacts that look good. I don't mind doing this legwork because it is fun for me to look at all the ladies. So Zoya was my number one girl I wanted to meet. Then I see this girl Masha that Rammstein2 mentions in his post below. She has many nice pictures on her profile and while I browse the pictures I see this same redhead Zoya in many of the pictures. They look like best friends from the pictures. I think they are both beautiful and look like fun ladies too and both young and hot. Zoya had originally quoted me $100-150 for several hours. I saw her in the pictures with Masha and asked if they would do threesome and she replied back "I would be all for it". So I am getting very excited at this point. This is a week in advance of my trip so I wanted to make sure this went well so I proposed $300 for both of them for three hours. I wanted to be generous as to make sure this date happened. So the night before I arrive I sent her a message just to confirm the date and it looked like everything was good. That is until I get to Kiev. I send a Whatsapp message when I arrive to set up a time and I get no response. So I got blown off my first night, not a good start. I actually tried to contact Zoya all through the weekend to try to set something up but she would not write back until the next morning and write "Good Morning" and she does this every morning but no other response and this was very frustrating. I was going to post a warning about these girls but it seems Masha her friend is more reliable since she met with Rammstein2. Maybe I should have contacted her.

Well the first night gets worse from here. I called Gia and requested Anna for three hours. I had my eye on her anyways and liked her look and she was having a discount also, so this looked promising. So I made an appointment and the booker says she will be there at 23:00. She arrives at 23:30 but she looks very good just like her pictures so I don't mind that she is late. I had some drinks for myself and the girls and I asked if she wanted Piva, champagne or Jack Daniels. When she chose the Jack I thought this night was great. She speaks very little English but we used Google translate and had a very nice time getting to know each other and some nice touching was starting to happen. I asked if she would extend the session another three hours and gave her $150. I guess this is against the rules but I was not even thinking about this because of the nice girl in front of me. The manager needs to know if you extend the session. I guess she did not tell them. We had some drinks and had a very nice session. My plan all along was to have an early session and then go out to the club. After our session I asked her if she would come to Caribbean Club with me for some drinks and then we would come back for another session. She agrees. On the way there she asks if I like threesome and I say of course and she asks me if I would like her friend to come meet us. I told her I was worried about money because I have a budget and I already gave her $450 and was going to spend more money at the bar. She says all I need to give her friend is $50 and she is very beautiful. I say yes, for sure. So her friend arrives soon after and she is very pretty but not very nice and a bit cold to me. All night I tried to be charming and tell jokes but nothing would make her smile. Anna was still nice but we had many drinks and with every drink she becomes less nice. We had many drinks and I was very intoxicated so Anna must have been even more so she matched me drink for drink all night and I am 6-4 230 pounds and she is half my size. So it is light out by the time we decide to go back to my apartment for the threesome. These girls are both drunk and acting crazy in the street trying to get a taxi but they seem in good spirits. We get to my place and they go to the bathroom while I go to turn on some music then I hear a door slam and go back and look and these girls had run out on me! I just had to laugh and could not believe it. If her friend didn't want to be with me all they had to do was tell me. I went downstairs and they were nowhere to be seen. This was very humiliating for me and I had been nothing but a gentleman with them. I was so mad I wrote an e-mail to Gia right then telling them the whole situation. I regretted this as soon as I woke up as Anna might get in big trouble over this and she has a young child to care for. Gia person seemed angry at first but eventually offered me a discount if I wanted to try another girl (10%.

Staying out so late also ruined Friday for me as I slept most of the day and then took trips to Shooters and Caribbean Club very late. Shooters has gone way downhill rude staff, not al all full on Friday night and not many good girls. Caribbean had some possibilities but my confidence was shaken from Thursday and I didn't have the energy to pursue women.

Saturday things got much better. Met with a girl I have kept in contact with for three years since my last trip. We had a real connection and I consider her a friend. She seemed like a very sad person when I met her outside the Vodka bar three years ago. But now she has a real job and does not go out every night and lives a more healthy lifestyle. She looked great and seemed very happy. We had a great session, the best of my trip. $100 and I bought her some hair products from the USA. She said she will hang out with me as much as I want (as her schedule permits) for free but if I wanted sex I still had to pay even though we are friends.

Saturday I met with this Mamba Girl that SgtBoyle2 was nice enough to give me contact info for. I love tall women and she fit the bill perfectly. This girl was very professional in all contacts which was a relief after the issues with the young girls. She is 28 so maybe that helps. This girl has kind of a Plain Jane face (not ugly at all I actually found her very pretty but I know there are a lot of trophy hunters in this forum and I don't think everyone would like her). She has a very nice body and the service was spectacular. Great BBBJ especially I was a bit tired and she really worked hard to get me to where I needed to be. After the session I walked her to the Metro (oh, yes, I offered her taxi money so she didn't have to take the Metro and she declined! Great girl) and she held my hand the whole time. I was on my way to Atlas Weekend music festival and could not hang out more but she said many dates with her include a meal or drinks after so she is a great option for solo travelers who like good company along with sex. She also offers anal sex and I have been dying to try this but I am very large so I have not done anal in 10+ years. I was determined to try it on this trip and I thought this would be the perfect woman to try with but she said I am too big to fit. You learn your whole life that having a big dick is a good thing but really for a monger it is a detriment and sometimes I wish it was small in situations like this. I can give her contact info but only for gentleman and those with a history here on ISG!

Finished off the weekend at Atlas Weekend wow this is the most hot girls I have ever seen in one place this is a huge music festival with thousands of people and many hot ladies. I did not make any contacts there but did not try but it seemed as it would have been easy the girls have their guard down there as opposed to the clubs and regular bars.

So the trip started off slow but got a lot better and overall I had a very good time and want to return soon. I had a few nice contacts from Mamba that I never had time to see I think four days is much too short in Kiev.

If anyone sessions with Zoya or Masha (or both at same time) please write a report I want to find out what I missed!

[Rammstein2]

At Rog123 You are right Zoya and Masha are good friends. Masha sent me a lot of fotos before where both girls are shown. Both girls have been in Odessa the last weekend. Masha is working in an office and only has time in the evening at 18.00.

Yesterday I have been at Hydropark. Its directly at the Dnjepr river and there is a nice sandy beach. You can swim in the river if you like a lot of people did. For me it was enough to lie at the beach and to feel the hot sand. It was a hot sunny day. When I came home in the afternoon I have had so many post in Viber that I was forced to tell them that I am in Dnjepropetrovsk because of business this week.

My number one passed her exam today and arrived at 17.00. She was very happy and we had a good time. At 22.00 I accompanied her to the metro. I recognized, that I don't want to have an other girl.

[Cheema]

I wanted to Kiev this year again but now I am going Panama and Costa Rica and USA instead, wanted to try something different but Kiev is the best destination among I have visited, Taking Kiev visa is a lengthy and expensive process otherwise I might visit Kiev every 3 months. Everyone enjoy in Kiev and if need any help PM me.

[SgtBoyle2]

Its definitely a money burner, by the time you come home with a dancer you have spend $400 or more for taxi, drinks, tips, private dances, and you get covered blowjob, and if you don't know better the girl stays less than 3 hours. If you want bare blowjob you must ask them before paying $300.

BTW- how much RIO is charging locals in GRIVNA for taking a girl home?

I am not going to deny that Rio is expensive but it's the best of the strip clubs I've been to in Kiev and a lot lot better than Dolls.

I haven't been there since April but I have in the past established relationships with two girls from Rio one of whom I really liked and for whom I should have honored my promise to take her to London.

Rio is IMO a perfectly safe and friendly institution. Andrei the manager does his very best to ensure you have a good time. Yes it's expensive but don't go there if you can't afford it or won't pay the prices.

Private dances are 400 hryvnia and last 2 songs. The girls get naked and really quite intimate but your not supposed to touch their private parts. If a girl wants you to take her out this is when she'll try her best to hook you.

If you want a girl to sit with you then you have to buy her a drink: say 150 hryvnia.

If you want to take a girl out its $300. So far as I'm aware there's no set time on take out but all the girls have to be back at the Club before it shuts at 5 am. I don't know why but I think it's to collect their money. If you take a girl out early in the evening then the ones I've met seem quite happy to treat it as a dinner date and are quite relaxed on time. They seem to figure they've made their money for the evening.

All services are covered unless you establish a relationship but this is pretty much the same with the Salons and the pros from the clubs. It's only really with Mamba or similar connection connections that you can expect greater services.

The quality of the girls is mixed but there are some stunners and also some nice girls.

So Rio is not for everybody. You can sometimes get as good looking girls from Buddha Bar for $200 or less and there are other opportunities for even cheaper and better girls.

The point about Rio is that is predictable. Sometimes you want that and sometimes you don't. Even Vladimir Klitshcko has been known to visit but only for a drink.

[Member #4722]

Kiev Four-Day Trip Report.

Had a short trip in Kiev and it started off bad but got a lot better. Great city very affordable I stayed at Olga Apartments in city center had a great room for $50/ night it was just a studio but right by main McDonalds and the guys that run the apartments are great and very helpful.

On to the girls. I had my eye on this girl Zoya from Mamba. She is a very beautiful young redhead. I have browsed Mamba for two months before my trip and saved any contacts that look good. I don't mind doing this legwork because it is fun for me to look at all the ladies. So Zoya was my number one girl I wanted to meet. Then I see this girl Masha that Rammstein2 mentions in his post below. She has many nice pictures on her profile and while I browse the pictures I see this same redhead Zoya in many of the pictures. They look like best friends from the pictures. I think they are both beautiful and look like fun ladies too and both young and hot. Zoya had originally quoted me $100-150 for several hours. I saw her in the pictures with Masha and asked if they would do threesome and she replied back "I would be all for it". So I am getting very excited at this point. This is a week in advance of my trip so I wanted to make sure this went well so I proposed $300 for both of them for three hours. I wanted to be generous as to make sure this date happened. So the night before I arrive I sent her a message just to confirm the date and it looked like everything was good. That is until I get to Kiev. I send a Whatsapp message when I arrive to set up a time and I get no response. So I got blown off my first night, not a good start. I actually tried to contact Zoya all through the weekend to try to set something up but she would not write back until the next morning and write "Good Morning" and she does this every morning but no other response and this was very frustrating. I was going to post a warning about these girls but it seems Masha her friend is more reliable since she met with Rammstein2. Maybe I should have contacted her.

Well the first night gets worse from here. I called Gia and requested Anna for three hours. I had my eye on her anyways and liked her look and she was having a discount also, so this looked promising. So I made an appointment and the booker says she will be there at 23:00. She arrives at 23:30 but she looks very good just like her pictures so I don't mind that she is late. I had some drinks for myself and the girls and I asked if she wanted Piva, champagne or Jack Daniels. When she chose the Jack I thought this night was great. She speaks very little English but we used Google translate and had a very nice time getting to know each other and some nice touching was starting to happen. I asked if she would extend the session another three hours and gave her $150. I guess this is against the rules but I was not even thinking about this because of the nice girl in front of me. The manager needs to know if you extend the session. I guess she did not tell them. We had some drinks and had a very nice session. My plan all along was to have an early session and then go out to the club. After our session I asked her if she would come to Caribbean Club with me for some drinks and then we would come back for another session. She agrees. On the way there she asks if I like threesome and I say of course and she asks me if I would like her friend to come meet us. I told her I was worried about money because I have a budget and I already gave her $450 and was going to spend more money at the bar. She says all I need to give her friend is $50 and she is very beautiful. I say yes, for sure. So her friend arrives soon after and she is very pretty but not very nice and a bit cold to me. All night I tried to be charming and tell jokes but nothing would make her smile. Anna was still nice but we had many drinks and with every drink she becomes less nice. We had many drinks and I was very intoxicated so Anna must have been even more so she matched me drink for drink all night and I am 6-4 230 pounds and she is half my size. So it is light out by the time we decide to go back to my apartment for the threesome. These girls are both drunk and acting crazy in the street trying to get a taxi but they seem in good spirits. We get to my place and they go to the bathroom while I go to turn on some music then I hear a door slam and go back and look and these girls had run out on me! I just had to laugh and could not believe it. If her friend didn't want to be with me all they had to do was tell me. I went downstairs and they were nowhere to be seen. This was very humiliating for me and I had been nothing but a gentleman with them. I was so mad I wrote an e-mail to Gia right then telling them the whole situation. I regretted this as soon as I woke up as Anna might get in big trouble over this and she has a young child to care for. Gia person seemed angry at first but eventually offered me a discount if I wanted to try another girl (10%.

Staying out so late also ruined Friday for me as I slept most of the day and then took trips to Shooters and Caribbean Club very late. Shooters has gone way downhill rude staff, not al all full on Friday night and not many good girls. Caribbean had some possibilities but my confidence was shaken from Thursday and I didn't have the energy to pursue women.

Saturday things got much better. Met with a girl I have kept in contact with for three years since my last trip. We had a real connection and I consider her a friend. She seemed like a very sad person when I met her outside the Vodka bar three years ago. But now she has a real job and does not go out every night and lives a more healthy lifestyle. She looked great and seemed very happy. We had a great session, the best of my trip. $100 and I bought her some hair products from the USA. She said she will hang out with me as much as I want (as her schedule permits) for free but if I wanted sex I still had to pay even though we are friends.

Saturday I met with this Mamba Girl that SgtBoyle2 was nice enough to give me contact info for. I love tall women and she fit the bill perfectly. This girl was very professional in all contacts which was a relief after the issues with the young girls. She is 28 so maybe that helps. This girl has kind of a Plain Jane face (not ugly at all I actually found her very pretty but I know there are a lot of trophy hunters in this forum and I don't think everyone would like her). She has a very nice body and the service was spectacular. Great BBBJ especially I was a bit tired and she really worked hard to get me to where I needed to be. After the session I walked her to the Metro (oh, yes, I offered her taxi money so she didn't have to take the Metro and she declined! Great girl) and she held my hand the whole time. I was on my way to Atlas Weekend music festival and could not hang out more but she said many dates with her include a meal or drinks after so she is a great option for solo travelers who like good company along with sex. She also offers anal sex and I have been dying to try this but I am very large so I have not done anal in 10+ years. I was determined to try it on this trip and I thought this would be the perfect woman to try with but she said I am too big to fit. You learn your whole life that having a big dick is a good thing but really for a monger it is a detriment and sometimes I wish it was small in situations like this. I can give her contact info but only for gentleman and those with a history here on ISG!

Finished off the weekend at Atlas Weekend wow this is the most hot girls I have ever seen in one place this is a huge music festival with thousands of people and many hot ladies. I did not make any contacts there but did not try but it seemed as it would have been easy the girls have their guard down there as opposed to the clubs and regular bars.

So the trip started off slow but got a lot better and overall I had a very good time and want to return soon. I had a few nice contacts from Mamba that I never had time to see I think four days is much too short in Kiev.

If anyone sessions with Zoya or Masha (or both at same time) please write a report I want to find out what I missed!

[Muddy7]

I do not understand why people go to Rio? What I read about Rio is "most expensive prices" for "average or bad services" with "mostly average arrogant girls". Maybe the only reason to go there is to find a girl immediately without searching in Bars or in Mamba.

Its definitely a money burner, by the time you come home with a dancer you have spend $400 or more for taxi, drinks, tips, private dances, and you get covered blowjob, and if you don't know better the girl stays less than 3 hours. If you want bare blowjob you must ask them before paying $300.

BTW- how much RIO is charging locals in GRIVNA for taking a girl home?

[Rammstein2]

Have had some beer yesterday with an Brazilian guy who was a fan from Portugal which won the final So I got up very late this morning.

I became acquainted with a woman in Mamba at the beginning of may. She looked good was 39 yo and was not locking for a sponsor in Mamba. We met 3 or 4 times and we have had dinner two times. 2 weeks ago I already asked her in Viber " but the next time we met we must have sex together" and she agreed. Yesterday she returned from holiday in Kiev. So we meet in a cafe today close to my apartment at 14.00 and of course it happened. It was great to have sex with an older girl. Its good to have such an experience from time to time. On the other side a well locking body from an 19 yo girl is unbeatable.

Fortunately she had a business date at 18.00. Exactly the time when I had a date at a cafe close to my apartment. So she left 15 minutes before I leave my home. My date called Masha 20 yo and she is in Mamba at this time. She was good locking with big breasts. I liked her but I could not have sex now. It was really hot today, I was tired from the beer yesterday and I just had good and long sex 2 hours ago. So we decided to meet when I will write her. Some fotos of her.

When I came home what a surprise my lovely, dearest honey model Vera was waiting at the main door of my apartment. I was lucky. She don't want to have sex with me- she only brought me the Ukrainian SIM card which she bought for me. She regret that she could not stay with me but she has to learn for the other examen which she will write tomorrow. I said maybe its an excuse but she must come tomorrow after the examen. She promised it.

[Alex7J]

It was a great evening yesterday. It was raining very strong and we have been in bed the whole time. The summer holidays at the University just begun but Vera has to learn for a last examen. So I was surfing in the internet while she was learning. Of course there have been a lot of kissing breaks and one long fucking break. In the morning we had a breakfast outside somewhere in Kiev and the sun was shining again. She went home at about 13.00 ]- so I did.

Jan (the 500 BJ girl) wrote in Viber if she could come today. I agreed and we made a date at 18.00. I went out and made a 3 hour walk to RIO Bar pand the main University. I decided to go in the Rio Bar next week. Not to take a girl outside there, just to look and see the atmosphere. Jan came exactly in time washed her hands, brushed her tooth (she brought her own teeth brush) - can you imagine (and took her clothes of. OK, I think today she was here for the 6th time. So she had routine. Today I needed a lot of stimulation and about 45 Minutes. She did her job.

Afterwards I will go to "Posata hata" to have some food and later watch the finale of the European soccer championship at a sports bar in the center. No more chics today. Some fotos from the last chicas.

Rammstein I am so fucking jealous of you about the fun you had in Kiev and also so thankful to you for keeping the Kiev thread alive. I so want to come to Kiev but I a more of a club or bar guy or coffee shop or restaurant I like to pick my goods after inspecting with them, talking, chatting and getting the vibe.

But you have opened a new Pandora I just love Ukrainian women here in DXB must have fucked at least 100 in the last 2 yrs in DXB that's 1 every week. Stupid me.

But cheers man will take you guidance when I am planning a trip to Kiev which will be very soon.

Alex

[Rammstein2]

Good post.

Most girls at rio do only covered blowjob, some do BBBJ but before you pay $300 you need to ask them to make sure, and make sure to let them know $300 is for 3 hours not 2 hours, many of them want to get it over as fast as they can so they can go back to the club to make more money.

I do not understand why people go to Rio? What I read about Rio is "most expensive prices" for "average or bad services" with "mostly average arrogant girls". Maybe the only reason to go there is to find a girl immediately without searching in Bars or in Mamba.

[Muddy7]

I was in Kiev a few weeks ago. First time in several years. Nice to be back. Was especially inspired by the Euromaiden memorial.

I go to Club Rio, first time, I'd heard it was the closest thing to a River Palace.

Ugh.

The Context. I'm early 40's, live in NYC, european, non-smoker, clean-shaven. Know my way around a strip club. Was actually a strip club bartender for a while....

Good post.

Most girls at rio do only covered blowjob, some do BBBJ but before you pay $300 you need to ask them to make sure, and make sure to let them know $300 is for 3 hours not 2 hours, many of them want to get it over as fast as they can so they can go back to the club to make more money.

[Misc123]

I went to a casino on the 4th /5th floor of Avalon. There is a private VIP lift to that. Last I went was in 2015 beginning. Suggest ask in Avalon front desk, give a hefty tip so they open their mouth and let you in. I went with a local who was well known to Avalon. I remember Poker, blackjack and some slots. I also went to another casino off kreshchatyk in 2013. Don't remember the address. Not sure either are open now , as I haven't been to those casinos since. May not be official casinos

Ciao.

Misc.

[Rammstein2]

It was a great evening yesterday. It was raining very strong and we have been in bed the whole time. The summer holidays at the University just begun but Vera has to learn for a last examen. So I was surfing in the internet while she was learning. Of course there have been a lot of kissing breaks and one long fucking break. In the morning we had a breakfast outside somewhere in Kiev and the sun was shining again. She went home at about 13.00 ]- so I did.

Jan (the 500 BJ girl) wrote in Viber if she could come today. I agreed and we made a date at 18.00. I went out and made a 3 hour walk to RIO Bar pand the main University. I decided to go in the Rio Bar next week. Not to take a girl outside there, just to look and see the atmosphere. Jan came exactly in time washed her hands, brushed her tooth (she brought her own teeth brush) - can you imagine (and took her clothes of. OK, I think today she was here for the 6th time. So she had routine. Today I needed a lot of stimulation and about 45 Minutes. She did her job.

Afterwards I will go to "Posata hata" to have some food and later watch the finale of the European soccer championship at a sports bar in the center. No more chics today. Some fotos from the last chicas.