Kyiv

[YellowPaul]

My wife needed a new passport late last year. She spent most of the day in a queue. She needed it fast as it was holiday season. The time quoted was outside her window of when she needed to travel. She returned next day with an incentive and all was well. True that the cost is not high but don't believe corruption doesn't exist there.

I forgot to mention that if a girl has have a a job letter and bank documents then 90 day schengen visa should only cost about $200, everything can be arranged but costs money without documents.

Just be aware of schengen issues that sometimes they may be required to enter and leave from the country issuing the visa.

This happened to me a few years ago when bringing in girl to Prague.

[CallSign Papa]

OK Riina, no commercial intent, being just a tourist. And I am just as fascinated by these "outliers" as the rest of the bunch here so I write a little about it. The number have is real. Her legs too.

Unfortunately your PM facility isn't anywhere near as real.

[GDreams]

Who told you it's 500 $. ? A girl. ? The real price of the new biometric passport is about 50 $. And they can get the passport within 7 or 21 days. All works well with the new system. Nobody in the passport-office asking for extra money.

My wife needed a new passport late last year. She spent most of the day in a queue. She needed it fast as it was holiday season. The time quoted was outside her window of when she needed to travel. She returned next day with an incentive and all was well. True that the cost is not high but don't believe corruption doesn't exist there.

[SgtBoyle2]

The recent posts about excessive money thrown around the world are absolutely true, and it is the top of the market; and that top of the market creates the dreams that us lesser creatures derive our dreams from.

Find http://www.mamba.ru/mb1516354292?hit=3#/ closed she operates under various names, and she does regular meetings in Kiev. If she is ever there. Pics of her Dubai private jet pickup are on her profile, no photoshop, no nothing.

If you catch her, she is still a star, albeit a spoiled one, but she knows where she came from. PM me, I have her number.

No need to stop hunting according to your capacities.

Tried to PM you for that girl's number without success. Will be in Kiev this weekend and would really appreciate it.

[MartinReunion]

I noticed in one of your first posts someone called you out for suspect commercial activity. This Mamba profile is bullshit, red flag being almost all USA photos.

OK Riina, no commercial intent, being just a tourist. And I am just as fascinated by these "outliers" as the rest of the bunch here so I write a little about it. The number have is real. Her legs too.

[Riina]

The recent posts about excessive money thrown around the world are absolutely true, and it is the top of the market; and that top of the market creates the dreams that us lesser creatures derive our dreams from.

Find http://www.mamba.ru/mb1516354292?hit=3#/ closed she operates under various names, and she does regular meetings in Kiev. If she is ever there. Pics of her Dubai private jet pickup are on her profile, no photoshop, no nothing.

If you catch her, she is still a star, albeit a spoiled one, but she knows where she came from. PM me, I have her number.

No need to stop hunting according to your capacities.

I noticed in one of your first posts someone called you out for suspect commercial activity. This Mamba profile is bullshit, red flag being almost all USA photos.

[MartinReunion]

The recent posts about excessive money thrown around the world are absolutely true, and it is the top of the market; and that top of the market creates the dreams that us lesser creatures derive our dreams from.

Find http://www.mamba.ru/mb1516354292?hit=3#/ closed she operates under various names, and she does regular meetings in Kiev. If she is ever there. Pics of her Dubai private jet pickup are on her profile, no photoshop, no nothing.

If you catch her, she is still a star, albeit a spoiled one, but she knows where she came from. PM me, I have her number.

No need to stop hunting according to your capacities.

[YellowPaul]

Who told you it's 500 $. ? A girl. ? The real price of the new biometric passport is about 50 $. And they can get the passport within 7 or 21 days. All works well with the new system. Nobody in the passport-office asking for extra money.

I'm talking more then just the a passport talking about a 90 day schengen visa with a typical Ukrainian who can't supply a work letter as well as bank documents showing money enough is in a account. Which a a vast majority of women unless of course she a professional career girl.

[Misterxxx]

Any changes to the immigration is going to requite a bio-metric passport which few women have the money for like $500 including finger prints, I don't think there are that many suckers around but I could be wrong.

Who told you it's 500 $. ? A girl. ? The real price of the new biometric passport is about 50 $. And they can get the passport within 7 or 21 days. All works well with the new system. Nobody in the passport-office asking for extra money.

[YellowPaul]

My friend, I am not here to have an argument with a guy who can barely speak English and doesn't know what Miami is. I could barely understand what you were getting at with half of what you said. But depending on what your standards are and what kind of experience you want you will have different experiences, but the truth of the matter is that there is a diaspora going on.

I met a girl once on one of these websites who wanted to come travel and asked for nothing. Six months later the next time we traveled she asked for $300. A year later she asked for $2,000 to go and I said no. The reason is that she saw some of the world and re-evaluated her worth. Any girl who is above standard looking in Kiev is going to be way above standard looking elsewhere. I can see her photos on social media so someone is paying for it because she continues to go everywhere she wants to go. I know a good number of these girls who are model quality in looks and they have a constant stream of photos from Monaco, Dubai, Maldives, Paris, London, Switzerland. The carousel never stops. These five star hotel rooms are not paid for at checkin with a smile.

They have options to go, so they go. I have friends who have had the private jet sent for them from Dubai to pick them up.

These girls are not standing around on the street to meet 55 year old guys with pot bellies from Istanbul and argue with them over 1000 UAH.

Why are they going to go to a club like Rio and work every night with the hope of taking home $500 or $1000 in a week when someone will throw $3 k at them over social media to join them for a week in Monaco or Maldives?

What is happening is simple economics.

1. The barriers to access for foreigners to come to Ukraine continue to fall (went from soviet style visa requirements to visa free travel). This means more competition.

2. Local wealth only ever goes up meaning ever less reason for one of them to spend their time with you. More competition.

3. Barriers to access to the rest of the world for the girls continues to fall which means that the best go to the best opportunities (more competition) and leave behind those who can't achieve those best opportunities (less supply).

4. Instagram is showing them the world and showing them to the world and they want to go places, and people want to take them and will pay.

I made the mistake once of reviewing a hotel on Tripadvisor that had no reviews and it was a small luxury hotel and quite beautiful. It was priced above midrange but was great value for the luxury. Three years after I made this posting the price was so high I couldn't go there anymore. Now, eventually the secret would get out. Information can't stay locked up as much as we'd like it to be locked up.

Once that happens economics takes over.

Once a 10/10 perfect blonde realizes that some guy in Miami (google it) will send her $10,000 to come over for one week, she is off the pole at Rio dude. She is not going to be standing at the bar in Buddha Bar 4 days a week hoping to find one guy to get $500 out of.

I know a blonde who had one guy send her $4000 just for her to "get a visa", let alone what he's going to give her when she gets there. He hasn't even met this girl yet and he sent her this.

All of the above is an inevitable spiral.

There will always be little anecdotes of things being different. When the tide goes out there are still a few waves that come up the shoreline. But the tide is inevitable. The more open Ukraine gets, the more opportunities there are abroad and the more people read people's fantasy posts on this board where they exaggerate a homely girl into some playboy model that they conquered in order to get some worthless points for impressing punters online that they will never meet. The more of those posts that are made, the more guys will strap on their boots and come to Ukraine.

The girls go, and the men arrive, and the locals make more money: and that means the same thing it always means: quality goes down, expense goes up, old timers complain it isn't like it used to be and wonder why.

Well every girl who is 5/10 that you guys bang and then brag about it here you convince one more guy to come to Kiev and compete with you for what's left. For the rest of it, you can't control it and when the visa wall comes down every last half decent looking girl is going to leave and try her luck elsewhere. There is more money out there than there are beautiful girls. So, you will be left in the tank with whatever wasn't good enough to leave, fighting for the scraps with the 50 year old dudes from Istanbul with their big bellies. Competing over the fat girls and the ugly girls and those of us who saw it before the decline will have the memory of it before it changed.

8 years I've been to Kiev and I saw it change, and when I arrived the real old timers were already complaining. Have your anecdotes and that time that you saw the beautiful girl and took her home and whatever, but the tide is going out my friend. And it's inevitable. The same tide is at work as poor places in the world slowly become more wealthy and the beautiful girls that were there suddenly have better options than being considered a working girl for going after a foreigner with money.

So much truth is these words of wisdom.

Admittedly I'm 1 of guys in your post, that prefer the allure of vacation and getting in as much unlimited sex with a Slavic women without actually going back to Kiev as I have not been for 3 years now.

Over the years I have flown women to Istanbul, Dubai, Tel Aviv, etc. So it doesn't always have to be expensive or always need a expensive visa. I have never given additional money unless I bought some small souvenirs.

Just be prepared if she refuses sex if you actually have have not discussed this before hand with her. LOL Happened to once when I was a newbie. Never happened again to me.

Tip: Always video Skype a few times to check the level of English and as Ukrainians are the master of photo shop. A typical women takes possibly a few months to meet, court and trust. As not every girl will go outside the country with a complete stranger.

Where I disagree is the simple fact the girls are have been traveling in non visa -countries to meet men already for decades. The better quality women are already out of the country or can leave quite easily when needed so I think still blaming Instagram for the ill's of world is a bit harsh. Any changes to the immigration is going to requite a bio-metric passport which few women have the money for like $500 including finger prints, I don't think there are that many suckers around but I could be wrong.

[Riina]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rn-client.html#comments-3648934.

Yep, unfortunate for us mere mortal punters.

Of course the girls wouldn't want to fuck every Tom, Dick and Harry, and us, for a mere couple hundred dollars at the club.

High end hookers have always been used to ingratiate clients in the financial industry, it doesn't mean much. If you come to Kiev, stay far away from these models. You want to focus on the college girls that are still naive to the value of their pussies. Girls still full of emotions and feelings and not cynical about you.

[Jojosun]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rn-client.html#comments-3648934.

Yep, unfortunate for us mere mortal punters.

Of course the girls wouldn't want to fuck every Tom, Dick and Harry, and us, for a mere couple hundred dollars at the club.

"Goldman Sachs executive Youssef Kabbaj paid for Haitem Zarti to fly business class to Dubai, put him up at a five-star hotel and paid £425 for a night with two women, to impress his brother Mustafa (right, next to Saif al Islam, General Gaddafi's son)".

£425=$616 for 2 women one of them was Russian hooker, known only as Michella. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/130554...-their-client/.

"She was said to have brought a pal to a hotel in Dubai to romp with a Goldman Sachs banker and the brother of an official from the Libyan Investment Authority.

Michella worked in the United Arab Emirates city at the time and charges the exact same rates as quoted in Kabbaj's texts."

So Michella charges US $ 300 now she is working in Italy according to the SUN "We traced her to Italy where she boasts in an advert: "I have sexy shapes and great appetite for naughty games."

LOL. Now every Tom, Dick, Abdul monger with 3 Benjamins can actually fuck Michella.

[Jojosun]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rn-client.html#comments-3648934.

Yep, unfortunate for us mere mortal punters.

Of course the girls wouldn't want to fuck every Tom, Dick and Harry, and us, for a mere couple hundred dollars at the club.

Reading the contents it reveals a good deal was had for The Libyan and for Goldman Scahs.

"The prostitute who was allegedly hired by a Goldman Sachs banker to sleep with a Middle Eastern client has been identified as a 25-year-old Russian.

Who earns £500,000 a year. "So it wasn't a one off payment. And according to her (Michella,)" 'I have five clients every day so you can count how many it is for eight years.'

She earns $ 500,000 a year and assuming she is working every day, then she is earning $1370 a day having sex with 5 Guys a day = $273 paid by each guy.

"It claims Goldman abused a relationship of trust and took advantage of 'naive and vulnerable' funds officials to persuade them to invest.

It was alleged in court that Mr Kabbaj paid for his contact Haitem Zarti to fly business class to Dubai, put him up at a five-star hotel and paid £425 for a night with two women. "That's nearly US $616 fpr 2 girls or $ 300 each for t a night of sex in Dubai.

It sounds like a bargain.

[Uphigh]

My friend, I am not here to have an argument with a guy who can barely speak English and doesn't know what Miami is. I could barely understand what you were getting at with half of what you said. But depending on what your standards are and what kind of experience you want you will have different experiences, but the truth of the matter is that there is a diaspora going on.).

Guys, could I suggest. .

There aren't a lot of pictures being posted on the Ukraine or Russia forums. And, although there are some good contributors, there is also a lot of noise (especially in the Ukraine forums). As I understand / remember it, Tomek is eastern European himself. I appreciate his reports. As I understand it, he is reporting on the type of girls who are available if you have some language skills and get off the beaten path a bit. He also posts pictures. I for one really appreciate the kind of reporting Tomek is doing.

Also, it goes without saying that no one should be criticized for mistakes made in a language that's not their first language.

I think Tomek's perspective and reports are very valuable, so I wanted to make a post saying that.

In my opinion, Tomek's reports are showing a very important part of the picture. There are a lot of people in Ukraine, including a lot of attractive girls. They can't all be spoiled by westerners or rich locals.

[Global Surfer]

Just reflecting on my trip. My biggest Kiev disappointment is that their is just no place where you can go and examine the merchandise. I tried Rio and came to the conclusion it is just a step away from pure tourist trap. The girls are very average and of course the one hottie in the LU was not open to takeout.

My second biggest disappointment is Mamba. It's all jaded twat not worth paying.

My third biggest disappointment is the lost of vibrancy in nightlife. The clubs with really beautiful women won't let in grown up single foreigners. I had to bribe my way into Skybar and that's just not acceptable.

The only real fun I had was the afternoon hunts on K Street to chat with college girls. It's very stimulating, something I can't do in America, but I never got any sex out of it. I found some fun in the clubs but I think I was just lucky. I tried Gia twice because I wanted some real hardcore action and they delivered. I met Natasha (her first day) and Zlata. Both girls gave me forty five minutes of pure rock star performance. But the thing about that is it's expensive and the girls are in their later twenties. No nice wet pussies.

I wish they would allow something like the river boat with independents again.

My information is bit old so please feel free to correct the post.

Not common to find SW on K Street but sometimes possible.

Try Buddha bar on K Street. Expensive but you can chat before you pick them up. I was staying in Kyreshtic hotel so they did not charged me anything.

Caribbean club has standard entry charge and is mixed I. E. Both normal and pros.

Try vodka bar.

Mamba photos are generally fake but quality still ok.

Gia is expensive but there are two cheap agencies. I think one was escortmodel.

Most riverboat people probably moved to the'Lux.

I think it is excellent place for mongering spoiled by political turmoil.