Kyiv

[Riina]

Were you trying to say that being younger and good actually looking hurts one's chances of getting laid in Ukraine?

If cash is the motivator, yes.

[Jonathan Pine]

Boyle, you wrote that girls are more level headed than their counterparts in Western Europe.

Well, yes and no. Just like everything in Russia, they tend to swing to both extreme sides. Yes the girls are practical and realistic, because if they don't choose a man wisely, the consequences can be dire. Lack of social security protection, etc.

On the other hand, they can also be so naive or pure. They believe that the boys (yes, they just young boys) they meet while they are in high school or university love them. Well the boys just want to fuck them. We know that but the girls don't. Their heads are filled with flowers and romantic dreams. They like to say it's "lubov". So the girls get married and get knocked up between the ages of 18-22. Then then get cheated on, dumped and become single mothers. This is when they wise up and become cynical. Unfortunately we foreign punters tend to get involved with this lot. Because they're the ones on Mamba or wherever. The sweetest and simplest girls are taken off the market at a very young age by local guys already.

There is s book I highly recommend you perverts to read. It's called Bang Ukraine. The author did a good job describing Ukrainian society, girls and dating dynamics in the country. Getting laid is not easy. It's hard work and we need all the tools we can get.

[LuisVega11]

Some guys blame me to pay less than what I promised to pay before meeting. I agree with them the sum of money for staying overnight. Not short time. So had to pay less that what I had promised. If they stayed with me overnight, I would pay full amount money. I have no idea why some guys blame me about this issue. So all of you guys pay even a girl not keeping their promise?

I don't think you wouldn't. All of my story is true and not a fairy tail. Maybe I'm not that old as you guys. I'm only 32 year old and athletic figure, wearing neatly. Most of girl I meet couldn't figured out my age correctly. Presumed my age around 25 or 26. Also I always paid what I promised in the first position if they keep the promise.

I'm really happy to read all your doubtful comments. Which mean my experience in Kiev was exceptional and most of you guys didn't experienced that much..

Your aspect count zero. They are prostitute. As I said, normal girl don't go for money or arrange meeting for money. You can tell college girl but they just come with you like they do with many other.

Man, of all age and weight.

As is said your report count nothing, is a fairy tell who don't add nothing to the four,. You just contacted thousand of girl in mamba, get 20 answer and pay 10- the police who come and said is my first time, is all bullshit, if it's true.

You should simply post the link of those girl so other monger can enjoy if anything is true. Without link I don't believe practically nothing.

And if you get bareback good luck to you. My friend went to a cute girl who said all bad bad. He sucked only is cock and he got an infection back home that lasted for months. Burning penis for days.

[Jonathan Pine]

I don't know this guy. Don't know what he wrote were true or not. But my personal experience is similar to his. Perhaps it's down to our similarity in age and I guess better looks, whatever that means.

I honestly can't imagine I can do what I am doing if I were much older, or looked much older or heavier. I can actually blend in on Uni campus. I also don't look out of place walking down the street with studentka. Otherwise they wouldn't be comfortable be seen with me by their classmates, professors, friends.

Most of the posts on this board are real I feel. They might differ greatly but they simply reflect the experience and perspective of each individual poster.

And no. I'm not bragging. In fact, it sucks now punting in Russia or Ukraine. It was much much easier 10 years ago. Sometimes I feel like crying how bad the situation has become. If any of you had experienced the good old days, you'd feel like crying now, too. It's dreadful now. But there is no other country better than Rus / Ua.

[Jonathan Pine]

Your age and looks makes little difference, assuming you are not a geezer and have bad hygiene...... Your youth and nice looks would probably be avoided by a dev whose end game is ultimately money.

Riina, I'm not sure I understand what you wrote and I'm very interested to know what you meant by that. Were you trying to say that being younger and good actually looking hurts one's chances of getting laid in Ukraine?

[SgtBoyle2]

Some guys blame me to pay less than what I promised to pay before meeting. I agree with them the sum of money for staying overnight. Not short time. So had to pay less that what I had promised. If they stayed with me overnight, I would pay full amount money. I have no idea why some guys blame me about this issue. So all of you guys pay even a girl not keeping their promise?

I don't think you wouldn't. All of my story is true and not a fairy tail. Maybe I'm not that old as you guys. I'm only 32 year old and athletic figure, wearing neatly. Most of girl I meet couldn't figured out my age correctly. Presumed my age around 25 or 26. Also I always paid what I promised in the first position if they keep the promise.

I'm really happy to read all your doubtful comments. Which mean my experience in Kiev was exceptional and most of you guys didn't experienced that much.

I always tried my best on each girl I meet and never treated them as a prostitute. Maybe you guys just laugh at me and regard me as a bullshit lier. But I really don't care about what you guys said. I just wanted to share all my experience with you guys. Because I was been very helped for many other destinations.

You are right, if your age is over 40, 50 and ugly fat monster, you should spend more to make them happy. But I'm not the case.

I can share more detailed information if you guys need it. Thanks.

The reasons why I and others are skeptical about parts of your reports is because of the quantity of the girls you say you met and the extent of the services you say they provided.

Your report does not really identify the source of your girls beyond Mamba. Having used Mamba for many years I am astounded that you say that you were able to amass over a 100 contacts before arriving in Kiev. The time involved in establishing such contacts would be considerable. Your success in doing so would have nothing to do with your looks or age as all girls would assume that your profile was false until they met you. Whilst it might be possible to attract such interest by simply offering large sums of money your post does not suggest you did that indeed you seem to have eschewed the more obvious working girls and to have actually paid at the very lowest end of the scale.

In the case of the services you say were provided, I have always found Kiev girls to be particularly conscious of and careful about STDs and unwanted pregnancies. They are more careful than working girls in London and this extends to girls from Mamba, clubs and brothels. Given the state of their health service and the complete absence of any proper system of social security you can understand why they are so worried. For them HIV is a death sentence, while a child spells poverty and loneliness as they struggle to get by as a single mum.

Young fit Ukrainian guys have so much choice they are not likely to marry a girl who already has somebody else's kid.

The idea that they would therefore risk so much for so little money seems extraordinary and is not explained by your alleged youth or good looks. Few Ukrainian girls would allow themselves to be swept off their feet by even a 20 year old male model who speaks Russian let alone a foreigner in his 30's who is careful with his money and yet you say so many of them were.

I have been visiting Kiev for more than 5 years and have acquired at least one LTR and been offered others and I can assure you that one of the principal and acknowledged differences between Ukrainian women and their western counterparts is that they are more level headed even cynical when it comes to men. Time and again women in Kiev have told me that they don't care about age or looks. What they want is a man who will provide for them, treat them nicely and hopefully show them some respect and even affection. The idea therefore that so many of them would risk all for a few thousand hyrvnia strikes me and I suspect many other members as unbelievable.

I am sorry to have to take issue in this way and would normally say that we are all entitled to our own fantasies, indeed in one sense this site is all about fantasies. However your posts give a completely misleading approach that could damage the chances of other mongers.

Yes you can get lucky sometimes but if you do then my advice to those who read this is (1) be generous (not ridiculously so) and never show you care about as little as 2000 hryvnia (even if you do) because if you do they'll think you're cheap or worse still poor (2) be respectful and don't start trying to practice unsafe sex on a first meeting (take your pleasures to the extent and in the form agreed)(3) be interesting by taking them to places they've never been to before and showing them a little luxury (you really don't have to spend much) (4) be more than a one night stand by offering them the possibility of further meetings, foreign travel or even an LTR and sponsorship (you may not actually do it but talking about it at least makes it led of a "wham, bang thank you mam" experience for them).

Finally I'd just like to say that if you really did have unprotected vaginal and anal sex with that many women in Kiev then (if you'll forgive the English sense of humor) you really are one a tool!

[Tomek123]

Gents,

Forgive me if I defer giving out the lady's details for now. I am due back in Kiev at the end of the month and I wouldn't want to find that she's been swept away by a torrent of other mongers.

If you PM me in July I will oblige.

https://vk.com/id333567496

My friend fuck this madam. 18 age. Have friend-girl 20 or 21 age. But no CIM, no anal. Blowjob only with condom. Blowjob for local gays 400 in condom. Classic sex 800 uah. Hour. Friend say girl bit strange and stupid and arrogant. But body no bad yet.

When I be in Kiev maybe send her sms.

[Riina]

I don't think you wouldn't. All of my story is true and not a fairy tail. Maybe I'm not that old as you guys. I'm only 32 year old and athletic figure, wearing neatly. Most of girl I meet couldn't figured out my age correctly. Presumed my age around 25 or 26. Also I always paid what I promised in the first position if they keep the promise.

Your age and looks makes little difference, assuming you are not a geezer and have bad hygiene. I met two sisters at DLux and a girl at Shooters, they were smart enough to know not to bring up the issue of money and present themselves as prostitutes. They knew I would feel like one fucking ugly American if I didn't share something afterwards. Your youth and nice looks would probably be avoided by a dev whose end game is ultimately money.

[Mskofmsk]

Guys,

Can you please tell me your ideas on what to do for trip with 400-500 usd daily budget.

Thanks in advance.

[DavidJung]

Some guys blame me to pay less than what I promised to pay before meeting. I agree with them the sum of money for staying overnight. Not short time. So had to pay less that what I had promised. If they stayed with me overnight, I would pay full amount money. I have no idea why some guys blame me about this issue. So all of you guys pay even a girl not keeping their promise?

I don't think you wouldn't. All of my story is true and not a fairy tail. Maybe I'm not that old as you guys. I'm only 32 year old and athletic figure, wearing neatly. Most of girl I meet couldn't figured out my age correctly. Presumed my age around 25 or 26. Also I always paid what I promised in the first position if they keep the promise.

I'm really happy to read all your doubtful comments. Which mean my experience in Kiev was exceptional and most of you guys didn't experienced that much.

I always tried my best on each girl I meet and never treated them as a prostitute. Maybe you guys just laugh at me and regard me as a bullshit lier. But I really don't care about what you guys said. I just wanted to share all my experience with you guys. Because I was been very helped for many other destinations.

You are right, if your age is over 40, 50 and ugly fat monster, you should spend more to make them happy. But I'm not the case.

I can share more detailed information if you guys need it. Thanks.

[Member #4722]

Was going to post that this report sounds fishy but someone beat me to it. First you contradict yourself by saying don't mention prostitution in your Mamba messages but then it seems like you did just this as you said some girls were offended by your offer. Also, it's highly doubtful that many women allowed bareback sex. Nice try though!

If this is true I would be very worried until tested. Also that is messed up you shorted the girl after you agreed to a price.

[PGrand]

When I read this kind of story it makes me laugh.

- " they are not pro. They not expect money. It's first time she told me. Bla bla. " Ukraine is the country where lie is an art of life. So all those they say is bullshit. I meet serious college girl in Kiev any will ever take money for sex. These girl are prostitute. They come with you only for money. Stop spreading false myth to satisfy your ego. You probably is over 40 near 50. You think girl at 18 who go with 50 years old man are not prostitute?

- lot of beautiful girl for 1000 gryvan? I must live in another city but beautiful girl 1000 caught at you. Maybe you should say cute girl. Beautiful for 1000 gryvna. Without proof is all words.

- consider you said mamba is full of pro. I must think you manage to find this girl in VK. Maybe any link to some profile of this girl would be interesting, in contrary your story is just a story. This is a monger forum, we exchange information not read poems. This girl are not virgin. After you they meet already lot of other man to survive.

- a suggestion. Ukraine is first country in Europe with AIDS. Spreading a lot in last years. Bareback with so many girl. Good luck man!

I completely agree with you. This guy has such a bloated ego it must hurt quite considerably!

Perhaps he is a descendant of the brothers Grimm since he has a very vivid fantasy.

I would even consider the possibility that he never was in Kiev and pieced together his 'report' from information he found on this forum.

And the bareback claim is just plain ludicrous and downright dangerous.

We all look forward to the next tall tail from fantasyland.

Can't wait to hear more!

[Ringudor]

NO, NO, NO.

Taxis are not totally safe. Be careful if you take a taxi in the street. Especially at the train station or at the airport.

Even the official "Zuhulyany" airport taxi or the former "Borispol" taxi tried to cheat customers.

What do you mean by not safe? Cheating in fares? I always accord price before trip, I never had a problem in 3 months there, my friends also don't. Maybe if you don't accord price can be cheated.

[Misterxxx]

Taxis there are totally safe, I never had a problem, my friends also don't, prizes. During night they bring you everywhere in city by 150 grivnas, during day: 100.

NO, NO, NO.

Taxis are not totally safe. Be careful if you take a taxi in the street. Especially at the train station or at the airport.

Even the official "Zuhulyany" airport taxi or the former "Borispol" taxi tried to cheat customers.

And be sure that you have some change in your pocket. Not only 500 Grivna banknotes.

If you call a taxi = No real problem. Or use the Uklon taxi app. The taxi fare in the center is about 50-60 Grivna. The suburbs are more expensive.

If the girls are not professional they don't live in the center.

But it happens very often that the cheap taxi companies can't send you a taxi. Or they will offer a "Lux" car for more money.

Bad weather (for example with snow in the winter or heavy rain in the summer) = It's possible that no regular taxis are available for a few hours.

And in this situation taxi drivers "in the street" quote a minimum of 100 dollars if you have to go to the airport.

[Ringudor]

Hi guys,

With my schedule, I can only go to Kiev in last week November or first week December. I know it will be cold and negative temperature. But how does it really feel? Is the weather really nasty? And how does one move in such weather?

Does UBER exist in Kiev? How are taxi prices in Kiev and are they safe?.

Taxis there are totally safe, I never had a problem, my friends also don't, prizes. During night they bring you everywhere in city by 150 grivnas, during day: 100.

I never was in December, a friend of mine was and said me he was -22, totally horrible feeling, mucus literally freezing in his nose, but every year can be different.