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10-21-15 19:01 #15172
Posts: 48Originally Posted by Protocol [View Original Post]
Was finally able to download Viber on my tablet and make contact with a few girls. Once supposed to show up in another 30 minutes. Will let you know how it goes.
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10-21-15 15:14 #15171
Posts: 59P1 mpin?
I saw a couple of American-gangster dressed black dudes on Maidan in the company of a couple of extra high heeled done up Ukrainian girls yesterday around 1 am. I was thinking. Naw you're kidding me you guys can't be pimpin here. I've seen these guys hanging around Kreschatik a few times. Hope it's just some fashion choice because this is not a good thing. Will check to see if they're in the same spot today.
I never really understood the whole hanging around on the street at 1 am thing on a Tuesday night thing anyway.
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10-20-15 05:02 #15170
Posts: 48Short notice trip to Kiev
I am on a three weeks trip to Kiev. Was short notice so didn't have time to do much research. Asking for help finding a reliable agency or a lady that speaks English as my Russian is very rusty.
Tried most of the agency's listed here as well as several I found online and Backpage. I know BP is a gamble. None of the ladies that claimed the spoke English did. Also wanted contact via Viber or WhatsApp and I only have a crappy SMS phone. Not looking for hours of entertainment, just an hour or two with a reliable girls. Preferably one that does anal.
Would appreciate any help.
Thanks.
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10-19-15 20:46 #15169
Posts: 706Originally Posted by Denizzz [View Original Post]
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10-19-15 09:13 #15168
Posts: 18Wishing you luck with it. Interested in hearing your updates on the clubs and your date. My limited experience of dating strippers elsewhere is it's a mindfuck and I think that applies to even the sweetest and newest ones. And they will lie and act and manipulate like no other. That's their default position and that's their job after all. So be careful! As for private massage rooms in the back in these clubs in Kiev, yes they have them in Dolls and I described my very negative rip off experience in one a few posts back.
Originally Posted by Denizzz [View Original Post]
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10-19-15 08:01 #15167
Posts: 6Originally Posted by LuisVega11 [View Original Post]
Yes, the last year the prices went up considerably, but do remember that because the country is at war and the economy isn't doing that great, the differences between poor and rich get bigger and bigger.
The stripclubs are becoming not emptier, but attract even more people and most of them aren't westerners, but rich people from Ukraine themselves. I don't see that much foreigners anymore.
I got in a talk with one guy and he told me that because of the war, many people from the east and south moved to Kiev, including rich people.
Did you see around Ocean Plaza, all those multiple new luxurious apartments they are building? The prices per m2 is almost on par with Western prices.
And it's all because residency is in high need at the moment. Money is flowing in Kiev and all those new rich people who settled in Kiev? They want entertainment as well.
One could say that those guys are used to paying much less at a stripclub outside Kiev where they came from, and whilst this is true, do remember the Eastern European mentality. They are from "outside" Kiev, so as they normally like to show off, this is an even extra stimulant.
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10-19-15 01:23 #15166
Posts: 706Eastern Europe is over. Shitty culture with few girls interested in foreigners.
If European, focus at home. If American, go South.
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10-18-15 18:49 #15165
Posts: 59I visited 007. Very small club, small number of girls working but a couple of good looking ones. I don't think take out is on the menu here. Club was full too, surprisingly, though small.
All local guys.
Nice to be able to sit down and see something other than myself in a mirror though.
BTW YellowDick that girl at Paradise is just afraid to lose her job. So she is sticking to the company line. Some of them are really scared that someone else will find out and then they're out on their butt.
As for the extras you were asking for, the girl was not interested but she wasn't prepared to tell you no, by doing it how she did she holds out the carrot and thinks maybe she can string you along.
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10-18-15 13:01 #15164
Posts: 1178Just for your information, if you are Italian, 500 euros are too much for Italy too: I say, a real *monger could get a stunning young girl for a week-end or two stunning girls for half day in Italy too.
The real problem is that real *mongers are dying out in the Western world and Italian men think sex is just a penis into a vagina, better with a condom. In all over the world, people recognize Italian men are the unluckiest men in the world forced to marry the most commercial women in the world: de facto, Italian law considers children as a Catholic wives' property.
Therefore, no surprise, if any prostitute in Italy is fierce and asking 100 euros per hour to the wretched Italian men.
Originally Posted by Biagio [View Original Post]
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10-18-15 10:04 #15163
Posts: 18Confirmed my opinion precisely about Dolls, specially about the poor standard of the girls. You can see how rough they are when you catch them smoking outside. Heavy, tatties, piercings and wouldn't warrant even a glance in a normal bar or nightclub, the pushiness to the point of scamming, overpriced cocktails and the unbelievably grumpy waitresses. Actually quite a miserable and expensive experience for me as I said. Thank you! You made me feel a bit better since I thought it was just me. I think Rio and the newer ones are worth a try on a next trip. A new one called 007 in Podol and somewhere off Kreshatyk called Flirt. I will check out Solid in Arena too and a place called Kalyan off Arena.
Originally Posted by Protocol [View Original Post]
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10-18-15 09:28 #15162
Posts: 3Kiev live ground report
OK first time in Kiev.
Staying at premier palace hotel.
Last night checked out the "cabaret" strip club inside hotel on 8th floor called paradise.
Background. There needs to be calibration on this forum BC people view of what is 9/10 vs 7/8 is different person to person.
I am attempting to provide that this week.
Background: I date and have friends with mostly models from NYC or LOS Angeles from top 5 modeling agencies. Not escorts but models who do fashion shows (New York, Paris, Tokyo) or go on magazines and shopping companies' website like GAP or banana republic in US (usually never get to make it on cover of big time magazines) and on Instagram have 1,000's of followers with many men saying they're the most beautiful girl in the world and those models. I think they are 8-9's just to give you guys a baseline range. Supermodels I think are 10's.
Now at paradise last night I only saw like 7 girls. Almost 6 of 7 had 7.5-8. 5 body. 5 out of 7 had 6 face. Pretty by any standard and you can cum on it but not like close up Instagram you would say wow she is beautiful.
I found 2 girls that were like model 9 body but maybe one or two inch shorter without stripper heels. Looked 5' 6" of 5'7" most models need to be right around 5' 9" 5'10.
So I played a game with one I believed was the hottest. Dropped about 150 $ = 3000 uah trying to stay firm as some of you stated that it's near impossible / never seen a girl been taken out here at this place.
I talked to her for about 3 hours with champagne + private dances blah blah blah. Only about one hour in. After spending about 75 $ I asked if she wanted to go down to my room for some fun and she said YES she would love to! And she admitted later on that she has done this about 7 times in the 6 months she worked. So a little over 1 x a month with someone she really likes and is attracted to and says no for takeout 90% of the time. (I'm guessing she is lying on the conservative side so let's say her number is 21 x. Or 3 x more). She works there 6 days a week). That's still pretty high rejection rate.
Anyway. Problems arose. Asking price 15000 uah. Good thing I joined and perused the site before heading out!
To me price isn't the problem but I just don't want to a) FK up the market standards and b) I hate overpaying a super premium for anything. I tried hard to negotiate down to 1000 then 12000 uah. She wouldn't budge at all! But she still likes me and wanted to still talk to me for another few hours.
In my mind I actually weirdly liked that she didn't budge and trust me my job: career is strategist and negotiating with some of the smartest financiers in the world so at the minimum I'm OK at negotiating.
So then I was like OK it's 1 am and she is hot about as hot as my girlfriend maybe 20% better ass. So then I said OK 15000 uah OK but you have to stay until 6 am not 2-3 hours. Also I want anal and blowjob Bc I cum hard when I finish in your mouth.
She said she loves anal and all oral but too intimate for her- only with boyfriends and wouldn't budge. Next two hours I tried to play various games. Like one time I offered her I said "hey look I know the club takes 50 percent so if I give you 15000 uah then you only get 7500. How about you spend 4 hours with me tomorrow and Monday and Tuesday each day. I'll give you 2000 usd in your hand and no one has to know at the club. But strictly I need min BJ and sex and last night BJ sex and anal and Oral. If not you will give me back 300 $. So 1700 usd or 2000 usd. You choose for 12 hours of work over 3 days. And I know avg salary here 8 is 300 $ a month so you can take 4-6 months off from work!
She still said sorry I would love to and I like you but only classic sex. We can have sex 3-5 times a night and she says she loves sex and can cum sex anal sex oral sex and can have sex all night but only classic safe sex at work patrons. Rest only for real relationships.
Then after 3 hours she still said lets go down to your hotel it'll still be a lot of fun. I got up and left. Told her I'm going to spend 7500 on some room service while I wait and spend 7500 on a girl that looks just like her who would do everything. And left.
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10-18-15 06:18 #15161
Posts: 446Originally Posted by Denizzz [View Original Post]
Maybe you enjoy giving money and getting nothing.
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10-17-15 23:51 #15160
Posts: 59Downhill Dolls
Wow, what happened.
I gave positive reports on this place after it opened and I've visited often. Always had really friendly greeting and a lot of great girls there.
Waitresses were always depressed though.
But now. Girls are all packing on some extra pounds.
The club was packed. I thought this country was losing a war vs. Russia? Everyone is out spending money.
And everyone was smoking. It was disgusting. So they seem to be making enough money to throw the bribes out I guess. I felt sick breathing the smoke.
First time ever I wasn't allowed to sit at a table. I was put at the bar, behind a mirror, nothing to see but some other guys sitting at the bar. Eventually 3 tables cleared and I asked to sit at a table.
Waitress who looked suicidal said she'd ask her manager, "In case someone else wants it. ".
She did nothing. So I went to the hostess after and asked. She had a long discussion with the manager. What happened to the happy smiling manager who walked out of the bar with me and helped me hail a taxi?
Now it's scowling mafia manager in there. After the long conference about me sitting at a table, hostess comes back and says I have to put down a 3,000 UAH deposit in order to sit there.
Typical Ukrainian business model. Get a bit popular and put the screws to the customers. They'd rather have a table empty and a customer going home than a customer going to the table and spending money. If they'd just have let me sit down I'd probably have spent that much, I told the waitress I wanted to sit to order some food and would have brought a girl over and had the normal good time.
But I just said screw it and left. What's the point. The experience in Moscow is way better than this. Very sad as this used to be a good club and I was happy to spread the good word.
As usual, success kills.
Don't go here. Go do something else.
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10-17-15 23:31 #15159
Posts: 106Originally Posted by Denizzz [View Original Post]
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10-17-15 21:28 #15158
Posts: 6InsomniacTales
Didn't know you could have sex in the clubs. Was it during the massage? How much did it cost? Interested to hear your take on the various clubs and their extras
For Dolls, I'm not sure if they have separate rooms where you can have sex. If the girl comes with you to the hotel, you get a bottle of Champagne with you to make it all appear "more legal". Costs are around 4000 gryvne for 40 minutes to 5000 for 3 hours. Prices went a little bit up since a couple of months in both clubs.
What I mostly do is I take a private lapdance from a girl I like, depending on the lapdance I decide to have sex with her or not. It could be that during the lapdance she propes to have sex during "romantic date" , or afterwards during drinks you can bring it up that you'd like to have sex with her.
I do read that this isn't normal practise anymore in strip-clubs to have / get sex, but it never failed me. It could be because I speak a couple of words Russian (words, not complete sentences) that maybe get me the "entrance to sex" as AColonizer today said in the previous reply. Or it could be because I order a bottle of Whiskey and Vodka when I enter the club so they hope giving sex will keep me longer in the club, hence more money spend also on the bar.
The massage thing I was talking about in my earlier post, we went there to have sex, I started to massage her, but thought, meh, too tired. Money thrown away? Well yes, but still, she has a drop dead gorgeous body I could relax message during a nice chat, so the laid back GFE was kinda nice (and was strengthened by the fact I knew her (had sex some months ago with her)).
Concerning extra's:
During lap dances it depends on the girl really. In all strip clubs they got all naked, except one time in dolls where a girl kept her panty on. Almost all of the girls make out during the lapdance and sex. I haven't asked any of them concerning BJ or other extra's. I just want to have sex with a young, attractive girl after having bonded with her at the bar.
I'm traveling in a month again to Kiev, I'll ask the girl I tend to go to every time now about extra's and report back on the current situation.
She's probably looking for cash and gifts and an exit abroad so if she's done this job for a few months then you aren't the first or last paying customer she's seeing outside the club so I'd advise you not to get serious.
Also, having been ripped off in these clubs before myself I can tell you that 12 k is OK as a one off experience but it's an absolute fortune to blow regularly for drinks etc and I'm sure if you read these threads you can get a hell of a lot more elsewhere in town for your cash. And the time you probably took to spend it!