Kyiv

[Denizzz]

InsomniacTales

Didn't know you could have sex in the clubs. Was it during the massage? How much did it cost? Interested to hear your take on the various clubs and their extras

I saw in previous posts you went to Dolls and Penthouse. Both have a "Romantic Date" option which basically means having sex with the girl. In the Penthouse opposite of the private dance rooms, there are rooms with large beds in them where you can have your "romantic date". You can also take a girl to your hotel.

For Dolls, I'm not sure if they have separate rooms where you can have sex. If the girl comes with you to the hotel, you get a bottle of Champagne with you to make it all appear "more legal". Costs are around 4000 gryvne for 40 minutes to 5000 for 3 hours. Prices went a little bit up since a couple of months in both clubs.

What I mostly do is I take a private lapdance from a girl I like, depending on the lapdance I decide to have sex with her or not. It could be that during the lapdance she propes to have sex during "romantic date" , or afterwards during drinks you can bring it up that you'd like to have sex with her.

I do read that this isn't normal practise anymore in strip-clubs to have / get sex, but it never failed me. It could be because I speak a couple of words Russian (words, not complete sentences) that maybe get me the "entrance to sex" as AColonizer today said in the previous reply. Or it could be because I order a bottle of Whiskey and Vodka when I enter the club so they hope giving sex will keep me longer in the club, hence more money spend also on the bar.

The massage thing I was talking about in my earlier post, we went there to have sex, I started to massage her, but thought, meh, too tired. Money thrown away? Well yes, but still, she has a drop dead gorgeous body I could relax message during a nice chat, so the laid back GFE was kinda nice (and was strengthened by the fact I knew her (had sex some months ago with her)).

Concerning extra's:

During lap dances it depends on the girl really. In all strip clubs they got all naked, except one time in dolls where a girl kept her panty on. Almost all of the girls make out during the lapdance and sex. I haven't asked any of them concerning BJ or other extra's. I just want to have sex with a young, attractive girl after having bonded with her at the bar.

I'm traveling in a month again to Kiev, I'll ask the girl I tend to go to every time now about extra's and report back on the current situation.

She's probably looking for cash and gifts and an exit abroad so if she's done this job for a few months then you aren't the first or last paying customer she's seeing outside the club so I'd advise you not to get serious.

I don't mind buying her gifts or giving cash, because it means I won't spend it in the strip club and I'll get an even better GFE out of it (having drinks and something to eat outside a stripclub). Exit abroad is a big no-no though.

Also, having been ripped off in these clubs before myself I can tell you that 12 k is OK as a one off experience but it's an absolute fortune to blow regularly for drinks etc and I'm sure if you read these threads you can get a hell of a lot more elsewhere in town for your cash. And the time you probably took to spend it!

Fair enough, but again, for less then 500 euro, I don't do the Mamba / escort photoshop gamble, I'm certain how the girl looks, how she presents herself (lapdance), and having a +6 hours GFE with her with sex and drinks (and / or together with other girls). IMHO it's not that bad of a deal But then again, if it is, I'd like to hear how to get sex+GFE+multiple hours for less.

[Biagio]

12000 gryvne in night at night in Kiev?

Are you serious?

Just for see some dance get drug and some prive? I know there are at least one million way to spend this money in Kiev. With 12000 graven probably you fuck 10 top model in Kiev.

She will take out of your pocket 10000000 gryvne. She saw you full of cash the gold cow and want just milk. No interest in you. Only cash.

12000 gryvne is really not a lot of money, less than €500.

You can easily blow that much in a bar or disco picking up a beauty and stuff.

I usually have a couple of hundred thousands of grivne with me. (LOL) It sounds like a lot but it's not much in terms of €.

I carried it around with me even into clubs and other places like it. I know it's not the best idea but beats leaving in a hotel.

Ukrainian girls have a way to part you with your cash.

The more attractive they are, the faster the way they have part you with your cash.

[AColonizer]

I phoned him but I never met him. I met her fiancee Olga. I say, I never got some extras from Italians abroad.

I repeat the same story about "massage salons" and "strip-tease clubs": in the recent past, they were alternative forms of brothels. I saw, in 2008, sex inside massage salons and strip-tease clubs was easy for Ukrainian men: just asking. About today, I don't think they have changed a lot for Slavic customers. Instead it has become harder for not-Russian-speaking people and only if paying 10 times more than a prostitute in our countries of origin. However, you know, there are some and few men able to get everything by a regular girl for free (or almost).

I say, I saw the social situation is very bad in Ukraine and also girls' attitude are changing in bad. Therefore, no surprise, if frauds are increasing. It is a pity, I never went to Ukraine just for sex!

I did get a lot of extra stuff usually not included in their "kiss massage" service, if not swallow blowjobs.

But what I meant was that at one point about 7 years ago, when Salon Dolly was still under the management of its founder from Italy, most girls there were so young as 18 and so pretty, and it was all for about 40 USD.

You are from Italy, right? Did you know him?

[InsomniacTales]

Didn't know you could have sex in the clubs. Was it during the massage? How much did it cost? Interested to hear your take on the various clubs and their extras. As for dating strippers, it's quite common in Europe but in London most dancers are just that, dancers. I'd say it will probably be fun for a few goes and you may get some good but pricey sex but I've never heard of a relationship with one that lasts or that didn't end badly. She's probably looking for cash and gifts and an exit abroad so if she's done this job for a few months then you aren't the first or last paying customer she's seeing outside the club so I'd advise you not to get serious. Also, having been ripped off in these clubs before myself I can tell you that 12 k is OK as a one off experience but it's an absolute fortune to blow regularly for drinks etc and I'm sure if you read these threads you can get a hell of a lot more elsewhere in town for your cash. And the time you probably took to spend it!

I've been to most strip clubs now in Kiev and some I visit multiple times. I'm particular fond of one girl that I got multiple lap dances and had sex with in a room in the club the previous times I visited.

Last time I was with her, I payed again for having sex, but I was tired out of my mind, so in stead I opted to just massage her. After that, she gave me her number and told she would miss me and wait for me (the usual bla bla those girls give you).

The morning after she texted me she wanted to say goodbye over coffee. Unfortunately I could not make it.

When I got home, she texted me she's waiting for me and wants to spend more time with me when I'm back, go out for dinner etc.

So, aside from the question if it's smart to date a stripper, is this a common thing in Kiev? I know I spend a reasonable amount of money per night in the club, around 12 k UAH, half on girls other half on drinks. (I spend this 12 k with 1 friend, but I pay for it as it's more convenient as fiddling with receipts when kinda drunk sucks). I go twice per visit (been there 5 times now).

It could be just that she's doing it to make sure I won't spend my money anywhere else. She could be hoping for a sponsor. She could be genuine. Question is, someone else having experienced this and do you want to share that experience on what it led to?

[Denizzz]

Castonthis

Just enjoy the sex. I've had three GFs that were strippers. They might not cost as much money as time passes, but will be a big headache. Also most of them wanted to get out of Ukraine and I.
Was not going to be that sucker.

I've set to myself that the moment she asks money for rent, family, want to get out of Ukraine, it's done for me. I also find is going to give too much headache.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

LuisVega11

12000 gryvne in night at night in Kiev?
Are you serious?
Just for see some dance get drug and some prive? I know there are at least one million way to spend this money in Kiev. With 12000 graven probably you fuck 10 top model in Kiev.
She will take out of your pocket 10000000 gryvne. She saw you full of cash the gold cow and want just milk. No interest in you. Only cash.

Well if I pay the total bill of 2 x having sex which is 8 k already, it leaves 4 k for drinks. Bottle of whiskey, some drinks for the girls, some dances and you are already on 12 k.

Note that this is with 2 persons, but yes, still it's 12 k.

This money does buy me a complete night of fun for a whole experience chatting, drinking, fucking and just plane having fun whole evening / night. And not only having a "quick" fuck with a top 10 model (although I am a bit stunned that top 10 models go for 1200 UAH, so maybe I should look into this as well, any links are appreciated).

Also, the cash cow stuff, I already set the bar as I told above. I don't want her to stop with her work. If she keeps on working, she doesn't need extra money from me as she's coped very well for herself until now. Sure, presents now and then are OK for me, as you'd give these things to a GF, but she also shouldn't expect that I'd fill her hand with rings.

[CastOnThis]

I've been to most strip clubs now in Kiev and some I visit multiple times. I'm particular fond of one girl that I got multiple lap dances and had sex with in a room in the club the previous times I visited.

Last time I was with her, I payed again for having sex, but I was tired out of my mind, so in stead I opted to just massage her. After that, she gave me her number and told she would miss me and wait for me (the usual bla bla those girls give you).

The morning after she texted me she wanted to say goodbye over coffee. Unfortunately I could not make it.

When I got home, she texted me she's waiting for me and wants to spend more time with me when I'm back, go out for dinner etc.

Just enjoy the sex. I've had three GFs that were strippers. They might not cost as much money as time passes, but will be a big headache. Also most of them wanted to get out of Ukraine and I.

Was not going to be that sucker.

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[Denizzz]

I've been to most strip clubs now in Kiev and some I visit multiple times. I'm particular fond of one girl that I got multiple lap dances and had sex with in a room in the club the previous times I visited.

Last time I was with her, I payed again for having sex, but I was tired out of my mind, so in stead I opted to just massage her. After that, she gave me her number and told she would miss me and wait for me (the usual bla bla those girls give you).

The morning after she texted me she wanted to say goodbye over coffee. Unfortunately I could not make it.

When I got home, she texted me she's waiting for me and wants to spend more time with me when I'm back, go out for dinner etc.

So, aside from the question if it's smart to date a stripper, is this a common thing in Kiev? I know I spend a reasonable amount of money per night in the club, around 12 k UAH, half on girls other half on drinks. (I spend this 12 k with 1 friend, but I pay for it as it's more convenient as fiddling with receipts when kinda drunk sucks). I go twice per visit (been there 5 times now).

It could be just that she's doing it to make sure I won't spend my money anywhere else. She could be hoping for a sponsor. She could be genuine. Question is, someone else having experienced this and do you want to share that experience on what it led to?

[YellowDick]

Can I negotiate prices with them if I were to get the girl for several hours? Anyone else tried vipmolly? Couple of the girls look like between 8-9.

Hi all,

First time in Kiev and my GF is leaving this Saturday and I have a 4-5 nights to roam free!

Don't know much (noob) and I don't want to disrupt the market here and I'm crunched for time so I don't have much time to be "due diligencing" various platforms;.

I just want highest probability of super high quality given that I have the ability to pay 5,000 uah - 15,000 uah for overnight if needed as long as it's a 9 or above. Supermodel body / model face quality - (my GF is a model and so no point slaying out 6's. What would be you guys' recommendations?

Also down to meet up for drinks with anyone knowledgeable about the are and can show me the do and don't here.

Thanks!

[Kirch]

I would not recommend Gia for that! Photos are ALL Over-photoshopped! There was Sofia at Gia last week, she was a Model but like always she is gone already. At Rio it's hard to find a 9 or 10 who is willing to go with you to your hotel. And my experience is that the most beautiful girls don't speak English. I guess you should go on a weekend to Deluxe, SkyBar or Buddha Bar and look out there for something. But don't use escort web pages.

Hi all,

First time in Kiev and my GF is leaving this Saturday and I have a 4-5 nights to roam free!

Don't know much (noob) and I don't want to disrupt the market here and I'm crunched for time so I don't have much time to be "due diligencing" various platforms;.

I just want highest probability of super high quality given that I have the ability to pay 5,000 uah - 15,000 uah for overnight if needed as long as it's a 9 or above. Supermodel body / model face quality - (my GF is a model and so no point slaying out 6's. What would be you guys' recommendations?

Also down to meet up for drinks with anyone knowledgeable about the are and can show me the do and don't here.

Thanks!

[NightOwl69]

I just want highest probability of super high quality given that I have the ability to pay 5,000 uah - 15,000 uah for overnight if needed as long as it's a 9 or above. Supermodel body / model face quality - (my GF is a model and so no point slaying out 6's. What would be you guys' recommendations?

Your best bet is gia. La (you might find some 8 or 9 there), they have been tried by many here and photos reflect the actual girls but photoshopped. Also there is http://en.vipmolly.com/ I think they are new and I haven't seen any review about them, so photos might be accurate or not.

Both will charge 150 $ too 300 $ per hour overnight my be over 1000 $.

Cheers.

[YellowDick]

Hi all,

First time in Kiev and my GF is leaving this Saturday and I have a 4-5 nights to roam free!

Don't know much (noob) and I don't want to disrupt the market here and I'm crunched for time so I don't have much time to be "due diligencing" various platforms;.

I just want highest probability of super high quality given that I have the ability to pay 5,000 uah - 15,000 uah for overnight if needed as long as it's a 9 or above. Supermodel body / model face quality - (my GF is a model and so no point slaying out 6's. What would be you guys' recommendations?

Also down to meet up for drinks with anyone knowledgeable about the are and can show me the do and don't here.

Thanks!

[Sorbonne]

Do you mean you got swallow blowjobs?

I did get a lot of extra stuff usually not included in their "kiss massage" service, if not swallow blowjobs.

But what I meant was that at one point about 7 years ago, when Salon Dolly was still under the management of its founder from Italy, most girls there were so young as 18 and so pretty, and it was all for about 40 USD.

You are from Italy, right? Did you know him?

[Member #4491]

Thanks Kirsh and Sorbonne.

Kirsh I am also into slim girls. I love almost all types. Variation.

Tomek123, interesting to read your viewpoint.

Thanks mate!

[Kirch]

I don't do private dances at strip clubs. 400 griwna for 2 songs is just too much money. I was told they don't do anything in the back rooms but dancing and rubbing on you but with clothes on. They do topless and sometimes you can have a watch to the pussy. For the same money (400 Griwna) you get 1 hour massage at Salon Dolly with happy ending (handjob or with tits). You can touch the girl everywhere but gentle. Never had more at the salons but had some experiences if they come to your apartment. One did a blow job and one of my wing mans got even a fuck.

I'm still intrigued though. What are peoples recent experiences with private dances and erotic massages at the strip clubs. What do you get and how far can you go, what's allowed? Do they have CCTV running in the booths and back rooms? I'd read that clubs get shut down if they're found actually selling sex on site and I guess that goes for BJJ's too. Or does it?

[Misterxxx]

Hi there!

I am going to Kiev in autumn, any advice for me? I was never there before and I am not sure where I should search for hotel / apartment? What is the best area? So not only for P6, but also for mongering in general, so bars and clubs? What is the situation currently? Where and how can one get to know the women in Kiev? And one stupid simple question: How do I get from the airport to the city center? I arrive at the airport which is quite far away and I do not want to be a victim of taxi driver rip off. So any advice? Public transportation, is this an option?

Thanks a lot for the help!

1. You can use the Skybus from Borispol to the center. Airport to Train station = 60 UAH and Airport to Metro Kharkivska = 35 UAH. I prefer to go to the Metro Kharkivska station. You avoid the traffic jam in the city and if you stay in the Baseina / Krechatich area it's more easy to get there by Metro. The Metro is 4 UAH for 1 jeton.

2. If you have no experience with apartments, it's better if you use an agency like partnerguesthouse.com . They are a little bit more expensive, but they offer a good service and are 100% reliable.

3. The good places (bars, clubs) are spread over the city. Some are located in the Khrechatik area, some are in Podil. You can use the Metro to go there. To avoid taxi rip off = Buy a SIM card from the ukraine (LIFE for example) + don't use any taxi that you can pick up on the street. Most local taxi firms (for example 579) offer a call back service. You dial the short number. Finish the call. They call back. English is no problem. Later they will send you a message with the information about the taxi and the price.