Kyiv

[Jmsuttr]

I've been following reports about the withdrawal of Russian forces from Kherson for a while. They've been all over the place, with some saying it's a fake withdrawal (and trap for Ukraine's army), others saying that Russian forces are withdrawing in an orderly manner, and still others saying that it's not orderly and that large numbers of Russian soldiers are being killed by artillery and rocket fire as they try to cross the Dnipro River.

However, what I'm now seeing is that the most recent reports are all trending toward the last scenario, namely heavy fighting and a very large number of Russian casualties. I have no way of knowing how accurate these reports are. And I'm guessing those of you in Ukraine have access to much better sources and real-time info.

But the reason for my posting is simply as a reminder that whenever Putin suffers a major defeat, setback, or embarrassment on the battlefield, his default response is to launch massive missile and drone attacks against Ukrainian cities. If the situation in Kherson is anywhere close to being as bad as some reports I've seen, there will be much anger and consternation in Russia. Putin has used missile attacks against Ukrainian cities before to appease that anger, so it won't be a shock if he does it again.

Please be extra careful for the next few days (at least) and stay close to shelters. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst!

[Jmsuttr]

Even now there are often exceptional situations. After the attack on the country's power stations, border crossings were closed for hours. There was no electricity. So no entry and exit either. Certainly many people then missed a train or flight from Poland.

What's concerning about "exceptional situations," which is an interesting way to describe missile and drone attacks, is the notion that there's any level of certainty or predictability about them.

Consider that Putin has shown no reluctance to attack purely civilian targets. Media and social sites are full of photos showing strikes on apartment buildings, office and shopping locations, as well as parks, city streets, and railway platforms. Whether this is intentional or a matter of the use of non-precision guided weapons is immaterial. Because, whatever the reason, the people killed are still very much dead. And it's also important to consider that, if air defenses intercept an incoming missile, the fragments still have to land somewhere.

While it's certainly true that most recent strikes have been directed against infrastructure targets, will that remain the case? Who knows? Does anyone expect Putin and his generals to give advance warning before the next salvo? Again, the image of Russian Roulette comes to mind.

I certainly hope your employer is giving you hazard pay because the reality is that you're being sent to work in a de facto war zone. And, though I wish you health, safety, and all the best, I also hope you have your affairs in order.

Those of you in Ukraine have most certainly seen some images of people killed on the streets, or other locations that might have seemed relatively safe. I'm sure none of those people expected to be an "exceptional situation," may they rest in peace.

[Misterxxx]

You pretty much summed up Kiev and Ukraine. Why anyone would go to Ukraine now for pleasure makes, zero sense, but nothing about Ukraine makes sense.

Yes. I absolutely agree with you. I still go to Ukraine regularly. However, for business. The sex thing is just a side thing. I think going to Ukraine without contacts or a contingency plan is foolish. Because the connections with the train or the buses can end at any time. Or become as catastrophic as in February. Please do not fall into the delusion that you can get on the train with a ticket in the event of a mass exodus. You are then stuck in Ukraine for days. Locals will charge you top dollar if you want to go to the border.

Even now there are often exceptional situations. After the attack on the country's power stations, border crossings were closed for hours. There was no electricity. So no entry and exit either. Certainly many people then missed a train or flight from Poland.

There are advertisements on the Internet or postings in Telegram newsgroups with offers or pictures. Please do not believe any of this information. Really 90 percent wrong. It's just to lure you to an address or to initiate orders of women into your home. Whether beautiful or ugly women will appear is always a gamble.

Also Ukraine is not as cheap as you think. There are enough people with money. Still. Everything has become significantly more expensive. For us from the West it might still be relatively cheap. But significantly more expensive than e. G. Last year or before Corona.

[DramaFree11]

I have no idea how to calculate the permutations of Ukrainian women leaving vs Ukrainian women returning vs those moving around inside the country. Nor do I have any idea how many of those sex ads are using fake pics, or are completely fake with no real women behind them, or are perhaps the work of a few women posting multiple ads. Who knows?

It's clear, however, that all of Ukraine is a war zone. That's the reality, even if in some cities and areas it doesn't always seem like it. For those supposedly 'safe' areas, consider that the situation could change in an instant if Putin or his generals decide to strike them with missiles and kamikaze drones. It truly is Russian Roulette. 5 out of 6 cylinders may be empty, and you'll be fine, but if it's not your lucky day you'll be permanently retired from the hobby, as well as everything else in life. And then, assuming you avoid being killed or injured, you'll perhaps get to enjoy spending some time in the Ukrainian winter without electricity or running water.

Ukrainians, and other people who need to stay in Kyiv and other cities know the risk and accept it. Someone who takes a discretionary mongering trip because they have an urge for some Ukrainian pussy is, to be blunt, a certifiable idiot..

You pretty much summed up Kiev and Ukraine. Why anyone would go to Ukraine now for pleasure makes, zero sense, but nothing about Ukraine makes sense.

[Jmsuttr]

Sorry about my dilemma. Over 7.7 million refugees fleeing Ukraine have been recorded across Europe, while an estimated 8 million people had been displaced within the country by late May. Now the Kiev is now and then under attack, partly no water, no electricity, what's reason to stay there as a foreign sex tourist?

But on the hand, there are 17 pages (every page 30 erotic ads from private or company) on Keksik Website (for city Kiev). Most girls are so beautiful that I would say most the them are using fake phots.

In economy theory, when the demand is lower, there should be less supply.

I have no idea how to calculate the permutations of Ukrainian women leaving vs Ukrainian women returning vs those moving around inside the country. Nor do I have any idea how many of those sex ads are using fake pics, or are completely fake with no real women behind them, or are perhaps the work of a few women posting multiple ads. Who knows?

It's clear, however, that all of Ukraine is a war zone. That's the reality, even if in some cities and areas it doesn't always seem like it. For those supposedly 'safe' areas, consider that the situation could change in an instant if Putin or his generals decide to strike them with missiles and kamikaze drones. It truly is Russian Roulette. 5 out of 6 cylinders may be empty, and you'll be fine, but if it's not your lucky day you'll be permanently retired from the hobby, as well as everything else in life. And then, assuming you avoid being killed or injured, you'll perhaps get to enjoy spending some time in the Ukrainian winter without electricity or running water.

Ukrainians, and other people who need to stay in Kyiv and other cities know the risk and accept it. Someone who takes a discretionary mongering trip because they have an urge for some Ukrainian pussy is, to be blunt, a certifiable idiot.

P.S. It's not entirely clear from your post whether you're asking a hypothetical or a practical question. If hypothetical, then others can chime in about the current state of Kyiv mongering. But, if practical (I. E, you're trying to figure out if you personally want to travel), then the above post is applicable.

[HessenStud]

Sorry about my dilemma. Over 7.7 million refugees fleeing Ukraine have been recorded across Europe, while an estimated 8 million people had been displaced within the country by late May. Now the Kiev is now and then under attack, partly no water, no electricity, what's reason to stay there as a foreign sex tourist?

But on the hand, there are 17 pages (every page 30 erotic ads from private or company) on Keksik Website (for city Kiev). Most girls are so beautiful that I would say most the them are using fake phots.

In economy theory, when the demand is lower, there should be less supply.

[Nero6]

Only Putin and his generals know for sure, but attacks against notable symbols of Russian pride, such as ships of the Black Sea fleet (thought to be safely moored in Crimea), usually result in missile (or drone, or both) attacks on Ukrainian population centers as retaliation. And those attacks usually happen in the days immediately following the precipitating event.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63437212

There are no cities in Ukraine that are fully immune to such a strike since even modern air defense systems can't guarantee a 100% interception rate. That being the case, it might be prudent to be extra cautious over the next few days. Again, war is an unpredictable beast, but it can certainly be argued that the odds of missile or drone strikes over the next few days are higher than they would have been had the attack on the Russian ships not occurred.

Wishing all in Ukraine both health and safety!

Thanks.

Yes again this Monday morning explosions all over Ukraine (also in Kiev).

In Kiev many have no power and water.

Safe day to all here in Kiev.

[Jmsuttr]

Only Putin and his generals know for sure, but attacks against notable symbols of Russian pride, such as ships of the Black Sea fleet (thought to be safely moored in Crimea), usually result in missile (or drone, or both) attacks on Ukrainian population centers as retaliation. And those attacks usually happen in the days immediately following the precipitating event.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63437212

There are no cities in Ukraine that are fully immune to such a strike since even modern air defense systems can't guarantee a 100% interception rate. That being the case, it might be prudent to be extra cautious over the next few days. Again, war is an unpredictable beast, but it can certainly be argued that the odds of missile or drone strikes over the next few days are higher than they would have been had the attack on the Russian ships not occurred.

Wishing all in Ukraine both health and safety!

[Nero6]

If any in Kiev now and want to talk about girls here over some beer let me know.

[Jmsuttr]

Since most left long before the war and Covid. Why would they go back now, but I guess you already knew this. Maybe if you did some research you would understand the issue with everyone leaving the country, this has been an issue for at least 10 years.

If you want to go back 10+ years, that's your prerogative. But you should at least have the intellectual honesty to admit that your prognostications have little or nothing to do with the current situation. And, if Ukraine is such a shitty place, why are you wasting your precious time in this forum?

[Riina]

Since most left long before the war and Covid. Why would they go back now, but I guess you already knew this. Maybe if you did some research you would understand the issue with everyone leaving the country, this has been an issue for at least 10 years.

The refugees I know all want to go back. The West can really be disgusting to some.

[DramaFree11]

I specifically said my post was not a prediction, only a possible alternative scenario. How things will play out in reality depends on many variables, both known and unknown. Since you apparently have a clear crystal ball, please be kind enough to share some winning lottery numbers with the forum. Thanks in advance!

Since most left long before the war and Covid. Why would they go back now, but I guess you already knew this. Maybe if you did some research you would understand the issue with everyone leaving the country, this has been an issue for at least 10 years.

[Jmsuttr]

There not coming back, they left for a better life. You guys can keep dreaming. If you want hot Ukraine girls go to Europe, they are not in Ukraine.

I specifically said my post was not a prediction, only a possible alternative scenario. How things will play out in reality depends on many variables, both known and unknown. Since you apparently have a clear crystal ball, please be kind enough to share some winning lottery numbers with the forum. Thanks in advance!

[DramaFree11]

If Western money flows into Ukraine, both to rebuild it and to fully integrate it into the EU, it's possible Ukrainian women will stay in country. Likewise, that same scenario could motivate those that left to return.

I have no idea, and I'm not making a prediction as there are multiple variables and (IMO) probably plenty of plot twists yet to play out. Just wanted to point out one alternate scenario.

There not coming back, they left for a better life. You guys can keep dreaming. If you want hot Ukraine girls go to Europe, they are not in Ukraine.

[Jmsuttr]

From all accounts, that is what happened in the immediate post-World War II years in Germany. American and British servicemen occupying Germany were much in demand by the female population.

The difference in a globalized world is many of the most attractive Ukrainian women will pick up and move somewhere else if they haven't already. There will be a brain drain and beauty drain.

If Western money flows into Ukraine, both to rebuild it and to fully integrate it into the EU, it's possible Ukrainian women will stay in country. Likewise, that same scenario could motivate those that left to return.

I have no idea, and I'm not making a prediction as there are multiple variables and (IMO) probably plenty of plot twists yet to play out. Just wanted to point out one alternate scenario.