Kyiv

[MaxLou1970]

Gentlemen,

First thank you for all your valuable contributions I've read the past month.

Last time I was in Ukraine was in 2008 and I was expecting a lot would have changed. It has.

But reading some of the posts, I was afraid that things had changed to the worse so much that I would be terrifically disappointed.

I arrived to Lviv on July 16 and checked into a nice AirbnB with central location. Arriving in summer to the Ukraine, one can not help to be immediately charmed and feel good when observing all the beautiful women wherever one turns the head. But I knew that the Play for Pay game was not going to be as easy as it once was. I used the site keksik.net and found 2 girls for the first evening. First one was decent with good looks and decent attitude. Paid 1700 UAH for an hour which is a fair price. Second girl was very young, she said 20 years and did appeared not to enjoy the job at all. I feel bad when this happens as I suspect she may be forced by some pimp or other circumstances I do not know. Paid the same price, had sex and covered blow job and that was it for the first evening.

The next evening decided to check out Split Strip Club which had been recommended by one of the Forum Members. 250 UAH entrance and 500 UAH for a 10-15 min private dance where you get to touch but not sex. Beautiful girls with good attitude and no pushing for business.

I've never used Tinder before but as this has been recommended by some of the Forum Members, I decided to open an account and took the advise to write that I am willing to sponsor the girl I meet. I wrote in English as I'm not interested in meeting girls who don't even have a basic command of English (I speak no Ukrainian or Russian). I didn't put too much effort into the app but played around with it in order to learn how it works. There were many likes but they appeared to be more interested in dating and not for short time sex. After the second day of using Tinder, a girl told gave me her Whatsapp no and when I contacted her there she made it clear she wanted to meet for money. 3200 UAH and she would spend the night. A goddamned bargain in my opinion and she looked very hot. But when I told her I didn't live in a hotel but in an apartment, she became hesitant. Further, she lived on the border with Poland in a village a 3 hour bus ride from Lviv (good to set Tinder to search profile further out from where you are as it increases the numbers). So she recommended a friend join for the same money - 2 chicks for the night. I agreed although the pictures of her friend were not as good as of her. But I was curious to go down the Tinder Avenue and explore this source. In the end she postponed and said that it would be ok to met me alone but during the day for 2 hours the next day. I was of course a bit disappointed but agreed. Next day was raining and she cancelled explaining she was not in the mood to take the 3 hour bus in the rain but that her friend was willing to come for 2 hours at 2200 UAH. Fine, she came and gave an OK performance but nothing spectacular.

Fast forward to last evening in Lviv before flying to Kiev the next day.

I've kind of given up hope on Tinder and just decided to visit another strip Club, this time try Eros Show Bar on Rynok Sq. Not the same quality venue as Split. Here girls are pushy coming by and asking for a Private when I'm in the middle of conversation with another girl. During this I get a message on Tinder. I offer the girl to come home to my place on my last evening in Lviv. She replies that maybe I would rather pick her and a friend up from a caf. I'm out of the strip club in no time and 10 minutes later locate the girls. We step outside and one girl informs me that she is selling her friend for 3000 USD for the night. I start laughing taking it as a joke and say that I was thinking more like 3000 UAH. I notice they have both had a bit to drink but were clearly not professionals in the game. A bit of banter goes on between us when I suggest we just take a walk and discuss things. The subject is changed and we talk about other things and get a good conversation going. I offer the girls to buy some booze and for them to join me to the apartment and to my surprise they agree. Good music is played and we sit on the balcony drinking. The mood is great and after a while the "seller" of her friend goes to bed on the sofa drunk. I make my move and soon we're in my bedroom hammering away. And it became a GFE with her going the extra miles and totally wild in bed.

I mention I will travel to Kiev and stay a week (arrived to Kiev yesterday) and then continue to Odessa for the remaining 5 days of my trip. She wants to come with me to Odessa and we agree I buy her a plane ticket there. I was so happy and thrilled at this outcome that I could hardly believe my luck. After all, I'm 50 and she's 35 years old and she's hot like hell. Sorry, will not post any pics of her here.

Today was on Tinder which has now shifted my location to Kiev and there were lots of likes to sort out in order to find the ones interested in coming over to Play most probably for Pay.

Found one girl I liked and she was quick to suggest 100 EUR for 2 hours. Covered sex but uncovered blow job. No anal. Fine, she came over and just sent her home. Good service and attitude and normally I would have been quite satisfied. But after Lviv and knowing what's to be had in Odessa in a few days, I just can't quite muster the excitement. Still it was good and I'm sharing a picture she was willing to pose for on the balcony.

[PhotoSlider]

But I thought I was going to bloody Eastern Europe!!!

Rugga,

The easiest and safest for you would be to cancel the trip.

Please forgive my candor. Kiev doesn't care what you think of it, and what your desires are. This Forum is not an Information Booth at the Airport. You have to work rather hard yourself to improve the chances. Read 50 pages back, read reports of distinction. That'll give a better idea. So far your expectations are completely unrealistic.

Read July 2021 reports by Rog123 who is on the ground in Kiev right now. They reflect the actual picture. He is happy to visit Kiev every year. He fails, then experiences the best time of his life, or maybe the best time in the last 3 days, then gets another hot girl, then fails again. And that's the way it goes. The probability of Rog123 having an overall number of happy encounters is higher because he is in Kiev for 3 weeks, longer than the typical first timer. IMO that's the shortest. Some were successful even in 3-5 days. But the latter ones should not expect the Ukrainian hotties lining up for 15 bucks a pair and ask, oh please please, give us an honor of getting fucked by you, or mighty visitor.

Rog123 has radiant joyful personality, girls tend to get attracted to him. Good and bad and great. If only he could fuck whoever deserving his attention is flying around. He went to Kiev to have a vacation, and has a great one. Girls for him are almost a byproduct.

Cut your losses now and cancel. Or work hard, after all your 10 days is not so bad. Maybe you'll get lucky. Either way, you cannot buy any assured delivery of guaranteed high quality service in Kiev, even though geographically it is indeed in Eastern Europe.

Best wishes.

[PhotoSlider]

When I get a green light off the street, I just ask if she's open to erotic message at my place. Anything else is likely a scam.

Erotic massage is the cheapest way to bring a lot of girls back to your place. They can lead you to real prostitutes without middlemen.

This reminds me an old joke:

Two experienced mongers discuss the ways of engaging the representatives of opposite gender:

- So, what do you you usually do?

- I usually invite them for a dance. And then delicately elaborate my desires.

- How do you do that?

- I say politely, Madam, would you like to fuck please?

- Oh my god! What if she perceives it as an insult and slaps you in the face?

- Sometimes they do, you know. But sometimes it works out for the better.

[Riina]

If she is friendly ask her if she either now or another time want a drink etc.

There is nothing to loose.

When I get a green light off the street, I just ask if she's open to erotic message at my place. Anything else is likely a scam.

Erotic massage is the cheapest way to bring a lot of girls back to your place. They can lead you to real prostitutes without middlemen.

[Jim0129]

I can give you some pointers:

1) Get on Telegram, and use Google Translate.

2) You can search for Indies in Kyiv on Keksik, google it. There are also other sites such as relaxportal and minuet.

Contact any that you like from Keksik using Telegram and do the usual research regarding services fake pics etc.

Yes.

When you say "do the usual research" What research do you do for ukranian girls? Sorry to ask but I've never been to Kiev and I am planning to in the future, once I get bored with Medellin.

[Member #4722]

On Tuesday had a 3-hour date planned with the hottest lady I've met so far. Date was scheduled for 9 pm and she wasn't on WhatsApp all day and didn't answer my messages so I started to make other plans. She finally canceled 5 minutes before our date was to start. Went on mamba and quickly got a few responses. One agreed to come for $200. More than I wanted to pay but I was already ready for a date. It was raining hard on Tuesday night. She had a problem finding my location even though I gave her the correct address. This girl was stuck in the rain for 5 minutes and she was irate. Tried to calm her down but she got more bitchy. She asked why I didn't have wine even though she didn't ask for any. She never said how much she wanted for taxi so I left 200 and she was demanding 400. She was hot but I wanted to abort mission. She already had the money in hand so I just said I would give her 500 uah for taxi. Was too much I'm sure to get rid of her but I had the feeling she would pocket the $200. She grabbed the taxi money and stormed out and I immediately blocked her on all platforms.

[Desin]

And one more small detail: as she asked if I smoke as she was ready to get a cigarette and offer it to me, I declined. Then she switched the pack from which she took for herself. Maybe nothing, but maybe not.

NorsKing wrote that there are girls on the street making eyecontact. Just a few minutes ago I had a girl doing this to me, as we walked the same direction. I would say she looked like a teally hot instagram girl, but she was dressed the way she was, I had no interest. Too stylish to me. Belongs to Avalon and such places.

Now I'll find a place to drink and try to keep myself from writing when I'm bit drunk. I tend to get poetic.

[Desin]

I have been a week in Kiev now. I've decided to pass on the Mamba girls, whom have provided pictures where they appear to be older than in their profile pictures and / or have appeared to lack the desired attitude towards the interaction.

This decision was made right before today's supposed meeting with my to-be dream girl. Cute as hell. From Tinder. She also provided another photo in Telegram. A blonde. We were supposed to meet one day, but she ghosted. All the time she talked on going for a drink. But as she made another contact, we agreed on meeting. As I was waiting her, I recalled the lessons I had read from here. I thank you all for them.

The blonde cute girl-nextdoor fuckbunny didn't show up. Instead it was a black haired, kinda chubby girl. I suggested we walk and go to a good cocktail bar I had googled beforehand. She whined. "Why can't we just go there (pointing at an alley with no sign of a bar), I go there all the time with my friends. " I swapped my suggestion to a closer one, again from googlemap. As we came over it (it was like 100 meter walk) she wanted to stop for a smoke, wrote with her phone and then asked that she would come after few minutes, she'd just meet her friend from there (she pointed towards the building block where she wanted us to go). At this point I saw my chance to do the gentleman's bail out, told that I think this is not going to work, I'm sorry for her trouble. She took it easily. Quite very easily. She wasn't for the act.

Now I will continue to enjoy Kiev, and not bother myself too much about the play. This is wonderful city to spend holiday at truly.

If someone has legit girl-nextdoor kinda friends who like easy gigs, I'm in Discord and would be glad to have contacts. But otherwise I think I'll have better time by not trying too hard. It's a tough place.

[Member #4722]

Had only my second bait and switch ever on Mamba. I didn't realize it until the end of the date as she sent glamour shots and the girl was close enough. Great date! She was cute and very nice body. 3000 and I had taxi money hidden because she didn't ask but I left it on the pile because of good service. She was open and we did kissing, DATY and she gave a hot session. Her BBBJ was top level and I wanted to finish with CIM so I pushed her head down when I was ready and shot a huge load down her throat.

I guess it was an agency or the original girl I was talking to couldn't make it and called her friend. Regardless, I was happy and I got her direct number and will repeat if I have time.

[CheckItOut1337]

I can give you some pointers:

2) You can search for Indies in Kyiv on Keksik, google it. There are also other sites such as relaxportal and minuet.

Contact any that you like from Keksik using Telegram and do the usual research regarding services fake pics etc.

Yes.

Where do you find numbers to get in contact with any of them on Keksik? Doesn't seem to be anything there.

[VinDici]

first I tried is redlight massage.

https://redlight-massage.kiev.ua/en/girls/

Redlight sounds good and the pricing on the site is reasonable. Do you know if BBBJ is on offer, or is it only HJ? Can you touch the girls during the HJ, and if so to what extent is it allowed?

Thanks.

[Ringudor]

As I visited lot of strip clubs last week, I decided to know for massage with handjob ending for that week, first I tried is redlight massage.

https://redlight-massage.kiev.ua/en/girls/

I was with Eva the first girl in the list, real pics, really pretty and so hot.

Then, 4 days ago I was to relaxmassage: https://relaxmassage.kiev.ua/ I chosen a girl called Dina, I don't see her in pics in website, she had very good massage technics and a cheerful personality.

Last massage I was to red light again thinking in making a threesome with two masseuses at a time, there was only 1 free masseuse: Eva, I was so happy to meet her again. Don't care about 3 some, other day I will do.

[Member #4722]

Kiev is more of a long term game but I had fun on my first trip for only 8 days. It's getting more difficult every year. As you can see by my reports I've had a mix of bad and good. Some of the naysayers here that are the loudest have an agenda. You can look at my past reports for my Mamba dating system that has worked well for me. But four years ago it was 80% hotties and now a mixed bag. Everyone should come here to try it out. Most that visit want to come back.

And I will add that I am here for vacation, partying and culture, and mongering is a secondary goal. If someone is just coming for women and has a lot of time for that pursuit, I think the results will be a lot better.

[VinDici]

I am looking for outcalls or incalls where there is a decent lineup to choose from (around 2 k Hryvna for hour with a grade 7 ok with me)

I can give you some pointers:

1) Get on Telegram, and use Google Translate.

2) You can search for Indies in Kyiv on Keksik, google it. There are also other sites such as relaxportal and minuet.

Contact any that you like from Keksik using Telegram and do the usual research regarding services fake pics etc.

Is this doable for a first timer in Kiev?

Yes.

[Member #4722]

Just bought a 10 day trip to Kiev and then started to RTFF (((

All I see is scams everywhere. Expensive clubs, I mean 2 or 3k deposit, 800+ for a dance who needs it if you can't fuck?

Salons are massage / happy ending only. What's the point of you can't fuck?

All the escort sites are bait and switch, heavily photoshopped, nice girls are 3-4k!

Bad service mentioned in some reports.

Fuck that. Feel so stupid ((( Probably sounding like a cheapskate since I spend much more on girls in Western Europe. But I thought I was going to bloody Eastern Europe!!!

Fellows please put me out of my misery. I am looking for outcalls or incalls where there is a decent lineup to choose from (around 2 k Hryvna for hour with a grade 7 ok with me).

Kiev is more of a long term game but I had fun on my first trip for only 8 days. It's getting more difficult every year. As you can see by my reports I've had a mix of bad and good. Some of the naysayers here that are the loudest have an agenda. You can look at my past reports for my Mamba dating system that has worked well for me. But four years ago it was 80% hotties and now a mixed bag. Everyone should come here to try it out. Most that visit want to come back.