Kyiv

[Jojosun]

Darina finally came over tonight and man was she nervous. I believe she'the never done anything like this before and that is why I've been pursuing her so adamantly. To loosen her up, I made her two cocktails (Malibu and some fruit juice mix) and we used google translator to talk. She looked hot! Tight black short, slim, tanned legs; beautiful pink lips and perky cleavage as fresh and firm as one would expect from a 21-year old.

We finally moved to the bedroom and I had my dick in her lovely mouth in minutes. I worked with this chick for one year dreaming about her sucking me and finally it came true! Unfortunately, the little blue pill was taking its time kicking in and it wasn't until she hoped on top that did he kick into action. I'll spare you the rest of the details save the feeling watching a sexy, 168 cm, blonde, tanned university student riding your manhood when you're 41. Absolutely amazing! She did, however, refuse to allow me to take a photo of her naked. But I'm going to keep trying, stay tuned for that!

Thank you Gopnik for another excellent report about the reality of sponsoring young hotties in Kiev.

Newbies to the scene of sponsoring need to realize that they need to work at it and have the right attributes to get such great returns.

Try to introduce her to the 3 some scene with a girl of her choice. Two is company, 3 is a great party.

It took me nearly 2 months and many live calls and emails to get my first sponsored 20's girl into bed. Six years later she is now one of my best friends and the talent spotter for both of us.

[Ffmbud]

OK, I didn't know it is illegal, question is: is it illegal for professionals and someone like me who films for himself and does not distribute it?

If it is illegal for an amateur, then I wouldn't do it.

I checked Craigslist, the jobs in "video, photo and. Whatever" and found people advertising for amateur actresses. Perhaps my approach will go from there, if it is not illegal. What do you think?

Easyease

Your mission reminds me of a guy back in '08, Shelbysbaker, who used to go to St. Petersburg and do shoots working with an agency called photomodeli. Check out the Russia posts back in 2008. Don't know if they're still in business but his photos were magazine quality, they provide the models, the props, lighting and even camera people. Like a porn shoot.

[I Am God]

If you are looking for a pornstar, a cameraman and a good location then perhaps it is better to go to the Czech Republic or even Holland. There are many online Czech model agencies with girls willing to do porn. They also have Ukrainian and Russian girls in their database.

Kiev is more amateur I think, I haven't found similar pornstar model sites based in Ukraine. However, I have done some videos with girls in Kiev and surprisingly many were willing to do it because it excited them, although I knew most of them for an extended period and they liked and trusted me and felt comfortable with me. Also interesting is that while most don't like me doing a close-up fucking them where you can see their face, they were comfortable me taking a video while they were blowing me. One was a closet exhibitionist; she wanted to do it in front of the window. The windows were from the ceiling to the floor and it was night and we had the lights on. It was an apartment on Krasnoarmiskaya, so not some obscure street. She insisted on sucking me in front of the window and then me to fuck her first in profile and then with her face and boobs pressed against the window. At one point she even opened the window and was hanging out of it with her upper body while I held on to her hair, asking me to pull her hair. It's a pity I didn't have some magic pills and already drank half a bottle of georgian champanski, because I was really knackered after one hour and asked for a small pause. We went to bed and talked while she kept playing with my dick to bring it back to life. Unfortunately I fell asleep and when I woke up it was already morning. Thankfully I can always rely on morning wood, but we only had time for one quickie, because she said she had to go to work.

And one girl was willing to do it for only 500 UAH more.

Already looking forward to returning to Kiev in September.

Thanks in advance for the exhibitionist girl's info!

Haha, seriously though. I truly LOVE girls like that, as long as they are pretty. Previously dated a girl in Japan (that I kinda maybe should have married. Although she was too mature for Me to marry) that wanted to have sex on the train while she was having her moon cycle.

I skipped that, although loved some of the fun non-moon-cycle adventures with her. I love that girl. Only girl I have ever been with that initiated talks about sex with domestic animals like she was pondering it.

I hope that someday soon I will again have a pretty, infertile, nymphomaniac exhibitionist girlfriend. Although young enough to marry this time.

[I Am God]

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[I Am God]

LOL, also read your Odessa posts, you're funny.

As far as I know there are no listings of university girls for hire, at least not reliable ones with their own accurate photos. But if you go to the park in front of the red university, you will see university girls parade themselves in front of you. And observe how the boys and girls interact. Good hint that they noticed you and are interested in you is if they turn back and walk at a very slow pace while smiling and trying to make eyecontact with you. Most however are too timid and only glance at you repeatedly. Some will even try to sit close to you. And if you still don't make the first move, some will ask you for a light if they see you smoke. Last June, on one occasions I had girls approaching me to inquire about my phone (purple glass bodied phone with a 6,4 inch screen). So my suggestion is to go to that park, pick a bench, enjoy the show, smoke and take something with you that can draw attention and be a conversation starter. Or is this them vampiring on your precious time?.

I am comfortable meeting beautiful women and asking for phone numbers and bringing them to a bed somewhere, when possible. Yet, offering them monetary compensation is very new to Me. I tried it tonight to start adding the skill.

Mainly seems that I am working past My own concepts about it. Was talking with a girl tonight that was flirty and seemed like she was open to amateur freelancing (yes I just invented that word) and was using Google translate in public asking her. And maybe the letters were too large in a public place for her to say okay.

So anyway. She kinda waffled from into it to acting mildly fake insulted.

Basically if she spoke English it would have been easier, obviously. I already speak Japanese because of women. Not so interested in learning Russian right now. If the political climate in Russia was nicer, I would consider learning Russian to be more valuable as there would be more available model style women to date using the language.

I have basically observed that, in Ukraine, like other relatively low income nations like China, women seem that they would literally date a fat turd if it spoke the language and had enough cash.

I would actually like to make a big plastic turd, put a speaker inside it, and put it in a nice car with tinted windows. Then remotely "roll up" on chicks to see how they respond. Have some guy talking to them with a mic remotely. See if the women would get in the nice car and roll with any fat disgusting turd.

Would they? Hmmm. Maybe only the chicks with the caked on make-up and ridiculously high heels.

[Gopnik]

Darina finally came over tonight and man was she nervous. I believe she'the never done anything like this before and that is why I've been pursuing her so adamantly. To loosen her up, I made her two cocktails (Malibu and some fruit juice mix) and we used google translator to talk. She looked hot! Tight black short, slim, tanned legs; beautiful pink lips and perky cleavage as fresh and firm as one would expect from a 21-year old.

We finally moved to the bedroom and I had my dick in her lovely mouth in minutes. I worked with this chick for one year dreaming about her sucking me and finally it came true! Unfortunately, the little blue pill was taking its time kicking in and it wasn't until she hoped on top that did he kick into action. I'll spare you the rest of the details save the feeling watching a sexy, 168 cm, blonde, tanned university student riding your manhood when you're 41. Absolutely amazing! She did, however, refuse to allow me to take a photo of her naked. But I'm going to keep trying, stay tuned for that!

I promised her 200 USD (double what I normally would pay) but that is what you have to do sometimes to get a regular girl over that hump and try sponsorship. We agreed on 100 USD for each subsequent visit. How was I able to land a sexy 21-year old who would never normally try such an idea? A few things. First we knew each other from before but I think if we didn't a single meeting in public where there was no pressure would have sufficed. Second, I am living in Kyiv full-time and won't be banging her once and see ya! The fact I am here long-term opens a lot of doors. Last, I rationalized it for her: I told her people her age earn 200 USD a month. If you meet with me twice a week, you'll earn 800 USD a month. I really thought that sealed the deal.

Two other thoughts newbies might find useful. First, don't creep her out with endless talk about sex. Young girls are creeped out by that. Tell her she's beautiful. Tell her she has a perfect smile or lovely lips. Don't ask her if she shaves her pussy or tell her you want to fuck her badly. In my experience, less is more. Pick your spots. Last thought, and maybe the most important: target girls who are living with just their mother. I've had a number of young, hot girlfriends who are all under 23 in Kyiv and Minsk. All of them lived with a single parent and that is their mother. I'm 41 (I'm told I look 28-34), I exercise and dress well, and have been very successful landing young, very pretty girlfriends. I do think when they come from a single parent home, they are more apt to give an older man a chance.

Just my thoughts. Others may differ. I hope this helps those considering sponsorship in Kyiv.

Thanks for reading!

[Riina]

As for clubs, I have no idea as I avoid them like the plague.

I liked the club scene, but you have to be motivated to hunt. Just stay away from the glamour clubs where flashy Western dudes fag out with the super models and nobody gets laid.

[Gopnik]

I am planning a visit to Kiev in the coming week. Any pointers where to go to get laid. I was there 4-5 years ago and I believe scene has very much changed now as compared to what it was back then.

Picked up a girl from Avalon during my trip, it used to be the infamous nightclub. How is Khreshatyk street these days easy or so so.

Thanks for you advise and pointers in advance.

Your questions are very vague. The situation in Kyiv and Ukraine is considerably different from when you were last here. The economy is far worse, crime has risen and there is a war in the country following a bloody revolution. Plenty of pretty girls on Kreschatyk but there are plenty of pretty girls all over Kyiv, if that is what you mean. Don't limit yourself to Kreschatyk. Branch out. As for clubs, I have no idea as I avoid them like the plague. If you want your hard earned money quickly removed from your wallet with a poor return, then definitely hit the clubs, as friends of mine in Kyiv would say.

Kyiv is beautiful in summer! You won't regret a visit here but I'd line up girls beforehand instead of relying on chance encounters exclusively.

[SuperLove]

I am planning a visit to Kiev in the coming week. Any pointers where to go to get laid. I was there 4-5 years ago and I believe scene has very much changed now as compared to what it was back then.

Picked up a girl from Avalon during my trip, it used to be the infamous nightclub. How is Khreshatyk street these days easy or so so.

Thanks for you advise and pointers in advance.

[Sorbonne]

If you are looking for a pornstar, a cameraman and a good location then perhaps it is better to go to the Czech Republic or even Holland. There are many online Czech model agencies with girls willing to do porn. They also have Ukrainian and Russian girls in their database.

Kiev is more amateur I think, I haven't found similar pornstar model sites based in Ukraine. However, I have done some videos with girls in Kiev and surprisingly many were willing to do it because it excited them, although I knew most of them for an extended period and they liked and trusted me and felt comfortable with me. Also interesting is that while most don't like me doing a close-up fucking them where you can see their face, they were comfortable me taking a video while they were blowing me. One was a closet exhibitionist; she wanted to do it in front of the window. The windows were from the ceiling to the floor and it was night and we had the lights on. It was an apartment on Krasnoarmiskaya, so not some obscure street. She insisted on sucking me in front of the window and then me to fuck her first in profile and then with her face and boobs pressed against the window. At one point she even opened the window and was hanging out of it with her upper body while I held on to her hair, asking me to pull her hair. It's a pity I didn't have some magic pills and already drank half a bottle of georgian champanski, because I was really knackered after one hour and asked for a small pause. We went to bed and talked while she kept playing with my dick to bring it back to life. Unfortunately I fell asleep and when I woke up it was already morning. Thankfully I can always rely on morning wood, but we only had time for one quickie, because she said she had to go to work.

And one girl was willing to do it for only 500 UAH more.

Already looking forward to returning to Kiev in September.

Like!

It reads like a porn novel, or even a porn poem, although I've never read one.

[FiddyCent]

I'm sure we all would love to learn more about how you impress the girls. One tip I have used is to talk (loudly or so that they can hear) in English on this shiny new mobile phone, something like "sell, sell, sell!" This usually makes them interested))).

I am going to have to take a page out of your playbook Roll Buzz. Very slick move! I have never felt the need to play this card, but there were some days I was left alone without company. LOL!

FiddyCent.

[FiddyCent]

One of the benefits of living full-time in Kyiv is that women off of the grid become available to you. For example, the office I use to work at here in Kyiv was located on Kreshchatyk Street but was subsequently moved when the war at Maidan hit its peak. At the time we laid off a number of staff in order to downsize until the smoked cleared and the economic and political situation of Ukraine became clearer.

One of those laid off was a pretty secretary named Darina who was in her second year of university. Before she left, I added her to my Facebook and we stayed in touch. I always wanted to bang the shit out of her, but since she had a boyfriend and her English is terrible we never really communicated at great length. Until now.

Darina told me she isn't working and she's single. We were chatting online last week while she as at the beach with a female friend and she sent me the attached photo of her. I broached the subject of us dating and she seemed genuinely interested. We met for drinks last Friday in Obolon and despite really getting along and her looking like a sexy 21-year old, we discovered her English had digressed so much that it was impossible to talk, so it was google translate all night and rubbing thighs. We parted politely and I went home with a raging hard on for her.

I sent her a message on Facebook Saturday asking if she'the like to meet again. She said she would but because her English is so poor it makes real dating seem impossible. I agreed. However, I thought I would throw the idea of sponsorship out there. She said it was out of the question, which really didn't surprise me. So, I dropped the idea and hoped she wasn't offended by my offer and if she ever had any questions about it, just ask. Darina replied that she was in no way offended.

I woke up yesterday morning and found a message from her. She asked me for further details about my offer of sponsorship. Game time! So, I poured on the charm, told her I never normally do this sort of thing, I would treat her like a princess and that I was very attracted to her. Someone her age usually makes 200 USD a month in Kyiv, I told her, and I would gladly give that to her for a first meeting and 100 USD for subsequent meetings plus gifts here and there. As she is not paying rent (she lives with her mother) she could quickly start a savings account.

Darina told me she thought I was really cute and was very interested but needed time to consider. I said 'take your time'. To be continued.

Go for it Gopnik.

This girl of yours seems quite decent. I wish you all the best with her. You might actually need to meet her half-way and learn some more Russian. She will need to do the same and learn some English. Who knows? This could be mutually beneficial.

All the best!

FiddyCent.

[Guntherus]

... be productive professionally and creatively also.!

I'm sure we all would love to learn more about how you impress the girls. One tip I have used is to talk (loudly or so that they can hear) in English on this shiny new mobile phone, something like "sell, sell, sell!" This usually makes them interested))).

[Gopnik]

Hi Gopnik,

I am curious, why did you deviate from your usual tactic, what made you do that?

And you know, look on the bright side, such experiences makes you appreciate the good experiences even more. ;-)

You know, I had hit so many home runs that I just got overconfident. No worries. I'm over it already, bro.

[Epicurus]

Hi,

Thanks for info about Topface, hadn't tried that. Kinda looking for more of a listing of University girl for hire ads. 300 - 600 uah per hour for straight forward services. MUCH prefer getting projects and studying done than wasting any energy on vampire women. Yes, have thankfully been with numerous pretty "freebies" internationally, yet I also could have likely made billions or trillions of dollars from all the effort women have vampired from me.

At this point I know most super model type women seem to be pros or semi pros. So obviously better to skip right to the fun with cute girls and then I can be productive professionally and creatively also.

Hi,

Women had better start bowing down at My feet! Thanks for recommendations, I tried mamba and know about VK. When I said most Ukrainian women seem boring, I meant that I haven't yet found a sexually adventurous dance club in Kyiv or Odessa yet. Basically a good dance club should be similar to an orgy. Haven't seen anything like that in Kyiv or Odessa.

How to find the cute teen and University amateurs on mamba? Have learned that girls 20 and under can often still be wonderful.

Thanks in advance!

LOL, also read your Odessa posts, you're funny.

As far as I know there are no listings of university girls for hire, at least not reliable ones with their own accurate photos. But if you go to the park in front of the red university, you will see university girls parade themselves in front of you. And observe how the boys and girls interact. Good hint that they noticed you and are interested in you is if they turn back and walk at a very slow pace while smiling and trying to make eyecontact with you. Most however are too timid and only glance at you repeatedly. Some will even try to sit close to you. And if you still don't make the first move, some will ask you for a light if they see you smoke. Last June, on one occasions I had girls approaching me to inquire about my phone (purple glass bodied phone with a 6,4 inch screen). So my suggestion is to go to that park, pick a bench, enjoy the show, smoke and take something with you that can draw attention and be a conversation starter. Or is this them vampiring on your precious time?