Kyiv

[Member #4722]

The goth girl just left. She was actually really cute was pretty boring. She was tiny girl 21 probably under 100 pounds. It's funny because she stays in the same building as me in a dorm and she is one floor up from my apartment. I had some good weed and she likes to smoke so after our session she was smoking all my weed and had to tell her to leave. If she gave good service I would repeat for sure at 1200 but she was boring.

[Member #4722]

Just finished my first week here. Two more to go. To the last guy that posted: 99.9% People exaggerate so much here and people take it as the truth.

Arrived with plans to have a drink at O'Brien's and watch a bit of the Euro match then go to sleep after 24 hours travel. I flirted with a few girls there and had a couple shots of Jameson then sleeping went out the window. I decided to go to Caribbean Club. It was very slow on Tuesday. Three ladies I had a lot of drama with in the past were there and that was awkward! It's a lot of the same girls there from my past visits and somewhat depressing. A new girl with pretty face told me it's $300 to take her back. I'm a confident guy and I told her I'll never pay more than 100. My friend that works there said everyone is asking for more money now. Flirted a bit with a tall hot civilian. That was nice. I wasn't planning on taking anyone back but at the end of the night myself and an older woman with huge breasts were the last ones leaving. I wanted to titty fuck her and asked if she would take 100 and off we went. Being not that hot, she was into me and I was able to do anything I wanted with her for three hours. Not the hottest woman but money well spent.

Met with one of my regulars. OK face great body. $100 for nice sex and then we spent the day together as good friends.

Met a girl Tori from Mamba. She has been there awhile. Very nice body but very business like. She was on period but offered me BBBJ and CIM for 1500 and that was what I was in the mood for.

Last night met a new girl off mamba. This one was a little more expensive $200 for three hours. She was older than her pics but petite and pretty hot. She was into me more than I with her, and she stayed 6 hours and I eventually had to tell her I'm tired. She was also down for anything and pretty sure she would have done BBFS. Won't repeat only because of price.

Tonight I have an emo / goth girl coming for 1200 UAH. I'm into that look and for like $40 no loss if she is no good. I have some interesting contacts set up from mamba all in the $100 range, including a young one I have a nice romantic connection with already.

It's hot as heck here now and the ladies are looking great with minimal clothing. Having a piva at outdoor cafe while writing this report, watching them all walk by!

[Ivan Buyan]

What is everyone's experience with girls that contact you on Tinder and offer a visit in exchange for a small present? It didn't take long after I set my location to Kiev and I a few girls trying to get into my hotel room. I will be in Kiev in early September. The plan is to set up some meetings with real girls and see how it goes. If this falls through I wouldn't mind having a backup plan that includes pros. Would not mind a recommendation or two.

Hey man,

99.9% you are contacted by regular or freelance hookers and likely scammers. No way I want to scare you or say that you should avoid Kyiv but you definitely need to use common sense and know few things about Tinder game in Kyiv.

1) Never invite a girl you never saw in real live to your hotel / apartment in Kyiv.

2) Never Invite a girl if you have doubts about her age.

3) Do not agree on a first date in a place offered by a tinder girl you never saw in real life.

4) Upload you real photo in Tinder. If you are approached by a girl who looks out of your league and she doesn't offer sex for money / present, then most likely you are contacted by scammers.

Few things I would add to help you avoid unnecessary time and money waste.

1) Come to Kyiv and stay alone for 2-3 days. Spend these days checking the places around your airbnb or hotel. Pick something you like with reasonable prices. Then you will know where to invite a girl on your conditions.

2) If you want just sex for money and don't want to choose with your eyes, then visit few strip clubs, show that you have money but don't be tooo generous not to look like a money bag and ask a security guy about taking girls to your place. Most strip clubs have dancers that don't mind making extra cash by prostitution.

3) don't get too drunk.

4) don't buy drugs from people you don't know even if hookers ask you about this. Chances are they will try to sell you some shit like its pure coke. Remember that all drugs (even weed) is illegal in Ukraine.

5) Use UBER.

6) don't accept girls' invitations to continue party in some cool places in the middle of nowhere (either its her apartment or some cool night club in Kyiv suburbs).

Hope you enjoy your stay in Kyiv!

[Ringudor]

Yesterday was a stripclub-night for me and rog123, first we decided to go to mint nosorog, less girls than usual, but still good vibes in the place, after some private dances we decided to move to princess, near Maidan, it was better than last time I was there (2 weeks ago) women usually a bit older than in nosorog, but some of them really hot, I got a private dance with a beautiful blonde girl then back home, rog123 stayed there until his money finished.

[PhotoSlider]

I'm very easily bored as well, both with people in general but also in sex. The way to keep regulars for me is to see them once a month. I also kinda hope that I would find a girl that would be that 'Princess' (although not one and only in sexual matters, but on attention-wise) for me. This will require certain kind of personality: a girl who is not acting to please me, but who pleases me by being herself. But it requires her to be the kind of girl who longs and lusts endlessly my attention and admiration. This way she will be very charming without actually faking it. I mean that she is not 'faking it', because this is her regular way of being in relation to men. To gain their attention.

Perfectly said. Being genuinely sincere is a must for any girl that shows the potential for becoming a candidate that you, Desin, would see once a month.

For me it's 3 days long for each regular on average. 4 to 6 regulars and then multiple hourly girls for my modus operandi)).

(I have this kind of a young woman in my life and it's very invigorating, even without fucking. I'd like to find the same kind of girl, but with added sex and money to the schema).

For me, money is the intermediator which keeps unnecessarily deep emotional attachment in bay with my relationship to the girl in question.

Agree. In my case money ensures that I have no regrets dismissing the objects of my admiration, or calling them up again. I learned from another great ISG Forum member that these beautiful young females are neither my SOs, nor GFs. And they gladly run back when I need them, because I treat them with respect, but try not to request anything in terms of "unnecessarily deep emotional attachment". Very well positioned, Desin!

And vice versa. It's hard to imagine a situation where it would be enjoyable to spend a whole day, never mind a week, with the same person without some kind of mutual emotional fondness of each other. So it might be extremely tricky (and lucky), but then again, for some it might worth it.

I appreciate Photoslider that you told the example of the guy who made his girls to know their role and expectations. Coming to think of it, this might be one of the things that could make such a longer relationship possible, because it reminds the woman that she is expected to learn his desires and fulfill them. It will give her a role to play, sort of. This can then guide her behavior and ease her own being as well: she knows her place, knows what is expected from her, and then can act accordingly. Like if there were a well-mannered party: certain things are approved, some are not, but everyone is expected to act accordingly. Anxiety and misbehavior raises when one doesn't know what is expected of her and what she can say and do, and what not. Boundaries. For servants and girls.

I would certainly explain in the very beginning that there should be genuinely passionate and sensual kissing + sex before going to sleep, and when we wake up. And along the way, humorous mentoring will ensure the expectations are clear. But I can steer only so infrequently. If her mother didn't educate sufficient manners, then good-bye, next one please.

The uniqueness of great Ukrainian ladies lies in their own unquenchable desire to please their men in and out of bed. And the former they do oh so skillfully! How else would you explain to the girl what is the most convenient for you few moments before both of you have an orgasm? The best ones anticipate and make it unforgettable in the most genuine way.

Regardless of the above, I wouldn't travel with a girl. The most I would do. Hire a travel guide to show me around.

Another consideration. Traveling with a single girl is relatively more expensive, no matter how you calculate it. Hourly or per intercourse. If I travel for business, and my hotel etc is paid, then I will not be able either to dedicate adequate time to her because of work, or be productive myself in the office. And if I travel for pleasure, then why should I pay for her airfare? I should either get the local girl (s) or go to the locality where they are abundant.

[PhotoSlider]

If a girl has period then you fuck her mouth or ass.

Sounds like a simple solution for that predicament.

Would you offer an equally smooth recommendation for those of us that like and very much require 69 and DATY, but stay away from rimming? You know, nothing against practicing the latter, just a matter of personal taste.

[Desin]

I'm very easily bored as well, both with people in general but also in sex. The way to keep regulars for me is to see them once a month. I also kinda hope that I would find a girl that would be that 'Princess' (although not one and only in sexual matters, but on attention-wise) for me. This will require certain kind of personality: a girl who is not acting to please me, but who pleases me by being herself. But it requires her to be the kind of girl who longs and lusts endlessly my attention and admiration. This way she will be very charming without actually faking it. I mean that she is not 'faking it', because this is her regular way of being in relation to men. To gain their attention.

(I have this kind of a young woman in my life and it's very invigorating, even without fucking. I'd like to find the same kind of girl, but with added sex and money to the schema).

For me, money is the intermediator which keeps unnecessarily deep emotional attachment in bay with my relationship to the girl in question. And vice versa. It's hard to imagine a situation where it would be enjoyable to spend a whole day, never mind a week, with the same person without some kind of mutual emotional fondness of each other. So it might be extremely tricky (and lucky), but then again, for some it might worth it.

I appreciate Photoslider that you told the example of the guy who made her girls to know their role and expectations. Coming to think of it, this might be one of the things that could make such a longer relationship possible, because it reminds the woman that she is expected to learn his desires and fulfill them. It will give her a role to play, sort of. This can then guide her behavior and ease her own being as well: she knows her place, knows what is expected from her, and then can act accordingly. Like if there were a well-mannered party: certain things are approved, some are not, but everyone is expected to act accordingly. Anxiety and misbehavior raises when one doesn't know what is expected of her and what she can say and do, and what not. Boundaries. For servants and girls.

[Floralys]

A member of this Forum asked for an advice. I decided to share my opinion here without mentioning his name, as IMHO situation is rather typical.

He met a girl in a certain city, liked her, left that city, missed her so much, then flew her out to a nearby city to meet again. And now is considering taking her on a trip in December to yet another location, but has concerns.

My thoughts are as follows:

Let's say we are talking about Kiev, Barcelona, Pattaya, German FKKs, or any other well known mongering destination. I think of those as The Disney World with lots of exciting rides. Some of them I like a lot, and may ride a few times on the same day. Some have long waiting lines. Some are too scary, and some might be too boring to my refined taste.

Would I ever wake up in the morning, and at the entrance to Epcot declare that I commit to get excited again and again and again on one and only ride time after time? No effing way! As great as it might be, I need variety. Besides, this ride may break, or require maintenance. Of course administration will give me a voucher and ask to come another day at my leisure, but fuck this shit! I prefer freedom and flexibility..

If a girl has period then you fuck her mouth or ass.

[PhotoSlider]

I would note that these things I quoted are matters of character. Even as I, too, value freedom above everything else, that is not the case with most of the people. So my solutions to situations might well suit people like me, but they might be the wrong ones for other kind of people. Some prefer to experience and confront their emotional states and live through them, others wish to escape them no matter how they are able to do it. (this is why we have non-biological addictions and compulsive behavior).

Thus, a girl who is already tested in situations (in bed and company), could be that special gem you'll have good time with even on your travels. If this is what you have wished for, to find a girl to travel with, then why not take the chance and see how it goes? It's risky, but so it always is. We are people dealing with other people.

Solid mature reasoning. Agree with your concise write-up.

There are however some assumptions that may lead to failure.

1. Is the travel truly justified? He decides. And may end up hurt. Or happy beyond any dreams.

2. "A girl who is already tested in situations" may evolve over time, and behave differently. I have seen that even in Kiev, and dealt with evasive maneuvers swiftly, but not necessarily in a rude way.

Another friend of mine had to straighten out females traveling with him, those girls that perceived the planned interaction as a one-way road. Most of the time straightening out works. Yet still I prefer to avoid any possibility of confronting the girl, explaining her responsibilities, and then assessing her performance level. I'd rather politely walk over to another young female smiling to me and gladly saying "Hi".

I do not mind that it may take time to seduce the girl, to teach her something new, to overcome her reservations in certain matters of sex. But I do not want to be treated as a provider to one-and-only Princess, that thinks too much of herself. Therefore, I prefer to travel with sufficient mongering options.

The gentleman that requested advice initially, travels to the destination where there's no mongering infrastructure. He travels for pleasure, not for business. However, girl should entertain him, not vise versa. Let's be frank, this is not a courtship with the promise of an eternal happiness. He met her in P4P environment. This is business. He pays, she complies. Sure, the game is more complicated than that, and there are few layers of skillful play added over the base, and skillful actress will create make-believe appearance of a dream for her man. Still in my eyes, fundamentally it is business.

Some like overcoming difficulties, some prefer to calculate and avoid even the smallest hint of misfortune. Some even prefer to go full force into the trap, like that English idiot in BBC report about Odessa, and get excited along the way by being abused, and then come here on Forum and troll. You are not one of those, Desin. And I personally know gentlemen that mostly succeeded traveling with girls. However, tastes differ, and every person decides himself how to spend his time and resources. Therefore, I agree with you, but it doesn't apply to me.

I get bored after no more than 3 days, and need a change of guard. In Kiev it is easy to do.

[Desin]

I prefer freedom and flexibility.

...

Otherwise, whenever in doubt, or hurting, or feeling jealous, or betrayed, - find another girl, and fuck her gently. Then rinse, repeat, and so on.

I would note that these things I quoted are matters of character. Even as I, too, value freedom above everything else, that is not the case with most of the people. So my solutions to situations might well suit people like me, but they might be the wrong ones for other kind of people. Some prefer to experience and confront their emotional states and live through them, others wish to escape them no matter how they are able to do it. (this is why we have non-biological addictions and compulsive behavior).

Thus, a girl who is already tested in situations (in bed and company), could be that special gem you'll have good time with even on your travels. If this is what you have wished for, to find a girl to travel with, then why not take the chance and see how it goes? It's risky, but so it always is. We are people dealing with other people.

[Fred54]

Most girls on "relaxkiev.com" look fine. But are the offers reliable? Can you expect that the girls will respond to a call, look like their photos and provide the offered services?

Would be great, if you could share your experience!

LOL. 99% of the pics look fake.

I won't trust no one of them.

[CheckItOut1337]

What is everyone's experience with girls that contact you on Tinder and offer a visit in exchange for a small present? It didn't take long after I set my location to Kiev and I a few girls trying to get into my hotel room. I will be in Kiev in early September. The plan is to set up some meetings with real girls and see how it goes. If this falls through I wouldn't mind having a backup plan that includes pros. Would not mind a recommendation or two.

[PhotoSlider]

A member of this Forum asked for an advice. I decided to share my opinion here without mentioning his name, as IMHO situation is rather typical.

He met a girl in a certain city, liked her, left that city, missed her so much, then flew her out to a nearby city to meet again. And now is considering taking her on a trip in December to yet another location, but has concerns.

My thoughts are as follows:

Let's say we are talking about Kiev, Barcelona, Pattaya, German FKKs, or any other well known mongering destination. I think of those as The Disney World with lots of exciting rides. Some of them I like a lot, and may ride a few times on the same day. Some have long waiting lines. Some are too scary, and some might be too boring to my refined taste.

Would I ever wake up in the morning, and at the entrance to Epcot declare that I commit to get excited again and again and again on one and only ride time after time? No effing way! As great as it might be, I need variety. Besides, this ride may break, or require maintenance. Of course administration will give me a voucher and ask to come another day at my leisure, but fuck this shit! I prefer freedom and flexibility.

Same with girls. Foul mood may strike her. Or unexpectedly her period starts upon her arrival to your 7 day paradise together turning to hell. And then what do you do? Kick her out? Change all of your reservations? Start looking for a substitute?

Too much risk, even with reliable girls.

It is one thing to be on the business trip in the country lacking mongering infrastructure, and invite a woman that you know for years, the one that values your trust, and will not attempt to misbehave.

It is completely different to invite a new acquaintance.

If the destination has other girls readily available, then why lock yourself up?

Likewise, if I can go to Kiev, and fuck 2 or 3 girls every day, or spend quality time with my regulars, then why should they be placed in the position of potentially leveraging more control over me, and making me less satisfied?

If she is that unique, and you want to marry her, or whatever, then go ahead. BTW, read that BBC report that Kozerog posted about a week ago. Otherwise, whenever in doubt, or hurting, or feeling jealous, or betrayed, - find another girl, and fuck her gently. Then rinse, repeat, and so on.

[H Gossen]

Most girls on "relaxkiev.com" look fine. But are the offers reliable? Can you expect that the girls will respond to a call, look like their photos and provide the offered services?

Would be great, if you could share your experience!

[Ringudor]

That week I was to 007 stripclub in podil, girls are nice, but disliked some aspects in this place, kinda bad atmosphera between people there, I will not come back.

Then I was to podil nosorog, but is closed, it was so sad for me because is the first stripclub I was in that city, and I remember lot of funny nights there, last time I was, in 2019, it was s shadow of what it was before, I don't think that they will reopen after covid, so sad.

Also to mint nosorog, in palats ukraina, this place never disappoints me, lot of fun with pretty girls, spent lot of money there.

Next week will try harem, 2.000 uah of deposit is that I don't like, but at least I can use it in private dances, I also will repeat to tootsies, as I got so funny time there 2 weeks ago.