Kyiv

[Poker Player 2]

I think it is possible to find an English speaking student girl for sponsorship and romance for $500 a month for a couple of months. But guaranteed to turn heads? I am not so sure. While not impossible, I think that would be a very good find indeed. I think some members know a different Ukraine than I or perhaps there is some exaggeration or boasting going on. I wonder if GT would report on his actual trip and let us know what he finds once he lands on the ground. $500 a month sponsorship for a decent looking, English speaking girl would be a good deal anywhere in the world and I wish those enjoying such an arrangement all the best.

How can 500$ cover girls expences on cloth and living when even pair of normal womens shose cost 500$.

Class cost even in Ukraine.

[Tomux 22]

How can 500$ cover girls expences on cloth and living when even pair of normal womens shose cost 500$.

Class cost even in Ukraine.

[LilJoey]

I am planning a trip to Kiev in the near future and CB, I really appreciate your detailed reports.

In the past I have always been pressed for time in Ukraine and constrained by business circumstances.

Which has quite limited my options for pursuing non-pro options, although I have had some success.

This time I expect to be there for a couple of months and have an apartment, so it is a totally different situation.

I have started cultivating some leads and find that mid-30s MILFs are pretty responsive. Which is fine, I am mid-50s, so they look pretty good to me, for freebies.

I also have a couple of promising under 30 beauties, but wonder if they are too good to be true. I might find they have a hidden agenda.

But in addition I am thinking of sponsoring a student to use as a "daily driver". Nightly mid-week bang & blow sessions. Then spend the weekends working on my freebies. This will also allow me to arrange "first dates" with prospects mid-week, without the pressure of trying to bed them on the first date, since I will have a sponsorship girl on booty call. I have not begun negotiations with anyone yet, but am thinking of $1000 per month for 3 or 4 nights per week. Any comments on how realistic / foolish this is?

I want to be cautious about over-preparing or over-committing, when I see the kind of success CB is having (and Yummy on the Moscow thread). Any suggestions?

GT

Your offer of $1000 USD per month is guaranteed to turn a lot of heads in Ukraine, where most people have monthly salaries in the $300 to $400 dollar a month range. A girl could live a luxurious life like a queen on $1000 / month in a place like Kiev. This is far beyond the requirements or expectations of sponsorship of all but the most diva-like top models. It is certainly much more than is necessary for full long term sponsorship of most studentkas. And I'm talking about full time girlfriend status for such full sponsorship of all her expenses, in which she is your exclusive girlfriend, and available only to you, at any time you wish, and to no others, in exchange for such full and complete sponsorship of all her reasonable expenses. Basically, with amounts of support that you are proposing, you are essentially agreeing to fully support her, as one would a wife.

So, I think that instead of proposing a very large sum like $1000 / month, a better way to approach this would be to ask her, before you propose long term sponsorship, what amount she is living on presently, and what her monthly rent, education, food, and other expenses are. You will no doubt find she currently has expenses that are less than half of the amount you suggested. Also a sponsorship arrangement can be for all, or part of a girl's monthly expenses. And if you pay all of her expenses, and fully support her, you are entitled to expect her to be your exclusive girlfriend, and to be entitled to all of her leisure or recreational time, if you want it. And if you are busy with your other business or things you must attend to, then you can let her know you will be busy, and will not be with her at those times. She does not need to live in a luxury apartment in downtown Kiev, and she most likely doesn't live downtown currently. She will most likely be living in a much lower cost apartment farther away from downtown. If it was truly a long term sponsorship relationship you were seeking, then probably renting a reasonably priced apartment for her to live in, and to be a location where you can come to be with her, might be the most convenient for you. However, since you are really only thinking of several months, you need to have her continue to live where she currently lives, so that when you discontinue the sponsorship, it does not create as huge an upheaval. But you should negotiate this as if it is for long term sponsorship so that the amount of support agreed on will be an amount reasonable for long term sponsorship. I wouldn't mention up front that it is only for a short term of a few months, because then the price will be much higher. You are entitled to try it out and see if the relationship works for you. If it does, and you begin to have feelings for her, you may actually want to continue to sponsor her for long term, and so that she will continue to be your girlfriend and be there for you whenever you return to Kiev, as you no doubt will return. And if you don't have such feelings for her, there are no guarantees in romance, and you can decide to break up if you don't want to continue the relationship with her, in whole, or in part.

So the correct amount to offer for long term sponsorship, is the amount she actually needs to cover all her expenses, for rent, for school, for food, for medical, for clothing, etc, in supplement to whatever income she may have from a regular job, if she has one. I suspect that all of these expenses will likely cost much less than $500 / month in actuality. So it is probably better for you to approach this as a needs-based inquiry, since you are talking about a sponsorship to take care of all her actual needs. Rather than a profit-driven negotiation, where she is seeking to negotiate a p4p price for as high an amount as she can. So before plopping out an extremely high offer of $1000 / month support, simply ask her what her current income is, and what her current rent and other expenses are. Then, when you know what she actually needs, you can propose to take care of her like a girlfriend, in a long term sponsorship relationship.

[YellowPaul]

Didn't have a problem with face control at the door of this club when I went there with a good looking girl in tow. Prices were ok compared to other clubs I go to.

Reviews of this club are here to get the general picture.

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attract...use-Kiev.html.

"The problems starts when you arrive at the club. At the entrance, a cheap-looking tall girl (most likely resident of some depressing Kiev suburb) is making the decisions about who gets in the club.

The girl told us that if we have not ordered a table and paid a deposit in advance or are not on a 'guest list' she would not let us in.

She had the same message for a couple from Moscow, who were dressed in expensive designer outfits (Dolce&Gabbana, Gucci) and without any doubt met the club's target audience (see above). The Moscow couple was completely shocked as they are frequent guests to the most fashionable Moscow and (also London) clubs. This had never happened to them.".

Moscow couple will have more of a problem now.

Mongers need to start learning Ukrainian.

They tried face control on me and my wingman back in Sept. The blah blah that we need to get table and then tried steering us to the over priced strip joint next door. First option was to trying talking to the 2 girls behind us who also got rejected, to go together to a another club but only 1 girl was doable.

In the end we paid off the security 500 UAH for both of to get in. From the recent pictures on Facebook of the club is not busy which is not surprising considering current events. I was not impressed with the women but the music was very good. Better to go with a girl there then pick one there as it there are not many obvious working girls there.

[Tomux 22]

Didn't have a problem with face control at the door of this club when I went there with a good looking girl in tow. Prices were ok compared to other clubs I go to.

Reviews of this club are here to get the general picture.

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attract...use-Kiev.html.

"The problems starts when you arrive at the club. At the entrance, a cheap-looking tall girl (most likely resident of some depressing Kiev suburb) is making the decisions about who gets in the club.

The girl told us that if we have not ordered a table and paid a deposit in advance or are not on a 'guest list' she would not let us in.

She had the same message for a couple from Moscow, who were dressed in expensive designer outfits (Dolce&Gabbana, Gucci) and without any doubt met the club's target audience (see above). The Moscow couple was completely shocked as they are frequent guests to the most fashionable Moscow and (also London) clubs. This had never happened to them.".

Moscow couple will have more of a problem now.

Mongers need to start learning Ukrainian.

Sounds good. Should go fine to enter the club, since diev am taking with me is a part time model and dresses really good.

[Jojosun]

Didn't have a problem with face control at the door of this club when I went there with a good looking girl in tow. Prices were ok compared to other clubs I go to.

Reviews of this club are here to get the general picture http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attract...use-Kiev.html.

"The problems starts when you arrive at the club. At the entrance, a cheap-looking tall girl (most likely resident of some depressing Kiev suburb) is making the decisions about who gets in the club.

The girl told us that if we have not ordered a table and paid a deposit in advance or are not on a 'guest list' she would not let us in.

She had the same message for a couple from Moscow, who were dressed in expensive designer outfits (Dolce&Gabbana, Gucci) and without any doubt met the club's target audience (see above). The Moscow couple was completely shocked as they are frequent guests to the most fashionable Moscow and (also London) clubs. This had never happened to them.".

Moscow couple will have more of a problem now.

Mongers need to start learning Ukrainian.

[Tomux 22]

This studentka I need to impress wants to go out for dinner and to Decadence club in Kiev. Now I never been to this club and I am always aware thowards cost of investment. Wanted to ask about prices at this club since am sure many people at this bord have payed a visit there at least once. Prices on drinks, table etc would be nice too know.

If its turn out to be too expencive I am dropping this hunt and move on to less requaering dievuskas who do not mind 200$ for evening and night.

[Member #4274]

CB, what is your exit plan in case the russians cross the border?

All the southeast regions plus chernigov and Kiev are in their plans.

For airports you have 2 choices and I'm sure there will be many many people at Borispol trying to leave:

Boryspil (Borispol) Airport Kiev.

Snilow Airport Lviv

Well, if the airport proves impossible then I will hop on a train and head to Lviv. From there I can simply cross to Krakow and onto to Canada, if I chose. I think Western Ukraine will be very safe. I even know people in Rivne, if necessary. However, I have friends in Budapest, Vienna, Berlin and Talllinn, as well. I might just kick it in Europe for the summer months. Lets hope it doesn't come to that.

[Muddy7]

CB, what is your exit plan in case the russians cross the border?

All the southeast regions plus chernigov and Kiev are in their plans.

For airports you have 2 choices and I'm sure there will be many many people at Borispol trying to leave:

Boryspil (Borispol) Airport Kiev.

Snilow Airport Lviv

[Member #4274]

I am planning a trip to Kiev in the near future and CB, I really appreciate your detailed reports.

In the past I have always been pressed for time in Ukraine and constrained by business circumstances.

Which has quite limited my options for pursuing non-pro options, although I have had some success.

This time I expect to be there for a couple of months and have an apartment, so it is a totally different situation.

I have started cultivating some leads and find that mid-30s MILFs are pretty responsive. Which is fine, I am mid-50s, so they look pretty good to me, for freebies.

I also have a couple of promising under 30 beauties, but wonder if they are too good to be true. I might find they have a hidden agenda.

But in addition I am thinking of sponsoring a student to use as a "daily driver". Nightly mid-week bang & blow sessions. Then spend the weekends working on my freebies. This will also allow me to arrange "first dates" with prospects mid-week, without the pressure of trying to bed them on the first date, since I will have a sponsorship girl on booty call. I have not begun negotiations with anyone yet, but am thinking of $1000 per month for 3 or 4 nights per week. Any comments on how realistic / foolish this is?

I want to be cautious about over-preparing or over-committing, when I see the kind of success CB is having (and Yummy on the Moscow thread). Any suggestions?

GT

It doesn't sound like the worst idea, GT, and maybe some other mongers will disagree but let me give you some advice or things to consider.

First, with the failing UAH, stop thinking in USD and start thinking in UAH. Prices here are generally the same since the UAH began to fall dramatically (although I have noticed some changes) and it'll cost you less to pay with it. Some girls might shoot a USD price when you inquire of their services but insist you will only have UAH's. Shoot them a return prices lower than the exchange of the USD. For example its 1 USD for 10. 5 UAH today. If they say 200 USD return with 1200 UAH or less, depending upon how hot she is. With the exchange this has saved me a lot of dough. Now, she might refuse and say its not enough, but don't discard her. Stay in touch telling her 'maybe' and when you arrive contact her again with the price you quoted. She may change her tune knowing you are actually in Kyiv and considering the financial situation of the country right now. For the record, I have not paid more than 1000 UAH and I've gotten some great, worthwhile sex.

Lastly, giving a woman a lump sum is risky as the quality of service may decrease. For instance, I always tell a woman the first time I meet with her that is if she proves to be a good, loving and capable fuck she will get repeat service, for sure. That has served me well.

[Gentleman Travel]

I am planning a trip to Kiev in the near future and CB, I really appreciate your detailed reports.

In the past I have always been pressed for time in Ukraine and constrained by business circumstances.

Which has quite limited my options for pursuing non-pro options, although I have had some success.

This time I expect to be there for a couple of months and have an apartment, so it is a totally different situation.

I have started cultivating some leads and find that mid-30s MILFs are pretty responsive. Which is fine, I am mid-50s, so they look pretty good to me, for freebies.

I also have a couple of promising under 30 beauties, but wonder if they are too good to be true. I might find they have a hidden agenda.

But in addition I am thinking of sponsoring a student to use as a "daily driver". Nightly mid-week bang & blow sessions. Then spend the weekends working on my freebies. This will also allow me to arrange "first dates" with prospects mid-week, without the pressure of trying to bed them on the first date, since I will have a sponsorship girl on booty call. I have not begun negotiations with anyone yet, but am thinking of $1000 per month for 3 or 4 nights per week. Any comments on how realistic / foolish this is?

I want to be cautious about over-preparing or over-committing, when I see the kind of success CB is having (and Yummy on the Moscow thread). Any suggestions?

GT

[Howie]

Anyone else stay in contact with girls they met at River Palace?

I wish I had

There was one really hot girl there called Angela. Not sure if you had ever met her CB but I'm sure you will know if you did because she was an absolute stunner. She was the only girl that I ever repeated with from my half a dozen or so visits to RP from Oct 2007 to May 2009. She would never permit me to take photos of her so I was pleasantly surprised when I saw pictures of her from Roundabout's posting in the photo section (link attached of original post) and samples below. She is the one on the left with the tanned body and amazing derriere.

Hyatt fun, Cheaper than you think..250 USD a piece for night (well night 01:00 to 06:00)

I'll be interested to know if anyone knows of her current status and whereabouts.

On another note, does anyone know what caused the demise of River Palace back in 2010? Was it due to politics i.e. a crackdown from the then incoming Yanukovych government or some other financial corruption/tax evasion charges?

Also I had read recently some rumours about a possible resurrection of River Palace. Does anybody know if there is any truth in that?

Howie

[TexasMorrell]

From what I read Nikolaev is the city for finding brides in the Ukraine.

This video is a recent one Nov 2013.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF4t5wGTAIA

What have you been waiting for P4P, or a Uktrainian Bride?

Plenty of time for either scenario.

Those things are cattle calls. They are stupid and demeaning. Bunch of western losers ogling beautiful Ukrainian women who are way out of their league. If you can't meet women on your own in a place like Ukraine then you cannot meet women anywhere and you are beyond help.

[Member #4274]

CB, I hope you said yes! .

Why so?

I actually had Nastya (the woman in the pink dress I posted a few days ago) to my flat tonight, she just left one hour ago. My first impression was that she was average. Yes, she was sweet and seemed to have a nice figure but I was not overly impressed with her at first. However, after a few drinks we moved into my bedroom and I was shocked at how terrific her body was. I love Ukrainian women but they rarely have a terrific ass. Well, Nastya does. One of the nicest asses I have ever seen. Anyway, she stayed for four hours and could not have been a better girlfriend. Well worth the 1000 UAH+ taxi. She actually invited me over to her flat Sunday night for a late dinner and another round of fucking. Although I am about to swear off sponsor girls and concentrate on the many freebies available here in Kyiv, I must admit Nastya left me wanting to see her more.

[Gergiev]

The second was from Nastya, the woman in the pink dress, and she wanted to come over Wednesday night and did I like it when a woman wears stockings in bed?

CB, I hope you said yes!

I have already informed my colleagues here in Kyiv that if the Russians cross the border or leave the Crimean peninsula I will have to leave Ukraine immediately. They understand. Lets hope this does not happen.

Why so???