Kyiv

[Jmsuttr]

Or perhaps it's an attempt to send a petulant message to world leaders at the G-7 conference? No matter the reason, intentionally targeting civilian areas, or launching missiles with willful and callous disregard for civilian casualties, simply adds to the list of Putin's war crimes. I haven't seen any reporting in which Russia even pretends they were aiming at military targets.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...s-capital-kyiv

FWIW, this latest attack highlights the point I made three weeks ago about Kyiv not yet being out of the woods.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2705156

If you're currently in Kyiv, or elsewhere in Ukraine, please be safe!

[PedroMorales]

The Guardian is a rag.

The US destroyed Yugoslavia, along with the Vatican and Germany. US bombing of Yugoslavia was a war crime, one of countless the US has committed, unrelen ting Mon. This of bombing. Media stations, the Chinese Embassy and so on. /.

Croats: large Nazi element.

#Albania, Kosovo (the heart of Serbia_ Bosnia: gangster states hosting MEK and other US funded terrorist cults.

No one likes Americans unless they are being bribed.

Good on Ukrainian women (and men) making money by pimping themselves. Sticking to what they are good at.

Slavic Muslims and Croat Catholics in Bosnia were saved from Genocide, mass killings, ethnic cleansing, by the intervention of The US and NATO in 1995. The EU stood by and did nothing for 3 years.

"At the other end of the country, a crew from ITN and I revealed a gulag of concentration camps for Muslim and Catholic inmates in August 1992, which had operated since May, where thousands were killed, tortured and raped.

In July 1995, three bloody years later, 8,000 men and boys were summarily executed within five days after the fall of the "safe area" of Srebrenica, the victims of this genocide delivered to their killers by the very powers and UN soldiers pledged to protect them."https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...as-outcry-then.

No wonder the US is the most popular country in Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania, Croatia, and Russia is the most hated.

[Lucky Nuts]

https://us.yahoo.com/news/group-ukra...100000631.html

A group of Ukrainian women is selling their nudes to fundraise for the country's forces. They've raised over $700,000 in 3 months.

[Jmsuttr]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ne-2022-06-23/

Unanimous approval for EU candidate status! May this be a good first step toward a great future.

And congratulations to Moldova, as well!

[Jmsuttr]

Yes, but at what cost. Time will tell. They have definitely exceeded expectations, but they had a lot of help, especially at first, and the world should have helped. Now, I am not sure, as the previous poster wrote, Ukraine should focus on a small victory and live to fight another day.

If they push there luck, they will end up with very little, broke and flattened. Very tough decision.

So I'm happy simply to congratulate Ukraine, wish them peace, health, and safety, and hope for a positive EU-accession process that turns out as a win-win for all (except Russia).

As for what Ukraine "should" do, I'll leave that for them to decide. And it's for every individual country to decide what cost-sharing they care to do. I would note that, especially for countries like Poland and the Baltics, this can be characterized as a "pay now or pay more later" scenario.

[DramaFree11]

If I had a dollar for every blown prediction, by so-called experts, about what "should" be happening with Ukraine, I'd have a boatload of dollars.

And that started with the outrageously bogus prediction by Russia that they would seize Kyiv in about 12 hours, and that Ukraine's govt would flee within 72 hours.

https://www.paudal.com/2022/06/18/uk...v-in-12-hours/

And plenty in Europe went along, which is why so many sat on the sidelines rather than rush to help. But Ukraine has thrown it all back in the faces of the "experts" and continues to defy and exceed expectations.

Before Feb 24th, who would have thought Ukraine would be recommended for EU candidate status in less than 4 months time, and also be fully endorsed by Italy, Germany, France, and the EU Commission?

It's amusing to see how many were wrong about so much. And more amusing still to see how many will be proven wrong in the future.

Yes, but at what cost. Time will tell. They have definitely exceeded expectations, but they had a lot of help, especially at first, and the world should have helped. Now, I am not sure, as the previous poster wrote, Ukraine should focus on a small victory and live to fight another day.

If they push there luck, they will end up with very little, broke and flattened. Very tough decision.

[Jojosun]

All this BS The EU does not need another US invoked Bosnia. Too much Mafia.

Slavic Muslims and Croat Catholics in Bosnia were saved from Genocide, mass killings, ethnic cleansing, by the intervention of The US and NATO in 1995. The EU stood by and did nothing for 3 years.

"At the other end of the country, a crew from ITN and I revealed a gulag of concentration camps for Muslim and Catholic inmates in August 1992, which had operated since May, where thousands were killed, tortured and raped.

In July 1995, three bloody years later, 8,000 men and boys were summarily executed within five days after the fall of the "safe area" of Srebrenica, the victims of this genocide delivered to their killers by the very powers and UN soldiers pledged to protect them."https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...as-outcry-then.

No wonder the US is the most popular country in Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania, Croatia, and Russia is the most hated.

[Jmsuttr]

All this BS belongs in the Stupid Shit (SS) thread about SS Ukraine. Galician Ukraine is a basket case, even before Romania, Hungary and Poland take their cut. It has no hope of coming within an ass's roar (is that the correct expression) of meeting any of the criteria. The EU does not need another US invoked Bosnia. Too much Mafia.

The Israelis and Americans should stfu.

More to the point: how come these admittedly good looking women get premium price for their mutton? Ukrainians are noted for lying on their back and thinking of Bandera. And many Ben Franklins. Economics, the weird science.

If I had a dollar for every blown prediction, by so-called experts, about what "should" be happening with Ukraine, I'd have a boatload of dollars.

And that started with the outrageously bogus prediction by Russia that they would seize Kyiv in about 12 hours, and that Ukraine's govt would flee within 72 hours.

https://www.paudal.com/2022/06/18/uk...v-in-12-hours/

And plenty in Europe went along, which is why so many sat on the sidelines rather than rush to help. But Ukraine has thrown it all back in the faces of the "experts" and continues to defy and exceed expectations.

Before Feb 24th, who would have thought Ukraine would be recommended for EU candidate status in less than 4 months time, and also be fully endorsed by Italy, Germany, France, and the EU Commission?

It's amusing to see how many were wrong about so much. And more amusing still to see how many will be proven wrong in the future.

[Jmsuttr]

Turkey had the status for 18 years. Has Turkey ever become a member of the EU?

But what about Turkey? I don't know. What about them? Turkey has their own issues with the EU that they need to work through. Not least of which is their history of antipathy with EU member Greece. And then there's the matter of Cyprus, which is still problematic.

Three nations were being considered for EU candidate status: Ukraine, Moldova, and Georgia. Two were recommended and one (Georgia) was not. The EU decides for itself who they believe should be granted candidate status. If Georgia, or Turkey, want admission to the EU then it's up to them to work out their issues to the satisfaction of the EU.

Obviously, that hasn't happened yet. But their issues have nothing to do with Ukraine. It's also true that Ukraine's unique position as a victim of war has provided a positive impetus to their candidacy. But the responsibility for that lies squarely on Putin. It's quite ironic that his attempts to keep Ukraine from looking westward have had the opposite effect.

[Jmsuttr]

Yeah, keep egging them on.

Or is it just sour grapes? With only a single sentence, it's hard to tell.

[PedroMorales]

Turkey had the status for 18 years. Has Turkey ever become a member of the EU?

All this BS belongs in the Stupid Shit (SS) thread about SS Ukraine. Galician Ukraine is a basket case, even before Romania, Hungary and Poland take their cut. It has no hope of coming within an ass's roar (is that the correct expression) of meeting any of the criteria. The EU does not need another US invoked Bosnia. Too much Mafia.

The Israelis and Americans should stfu.

More to the point: how come these admittedly good looking women get premium price for their mutton? Ukrainians are noted for lying on their back and thinking of Bandera. And many Ben Franklins. Economics, the weird science.

[WyattEarp]

Turkey had the status for 18 years. Has Turkey ever become a member of the EU?

No and I don't see it happening with Erdogan leading Turkey. Turkey under Erdogan has become more autocratic. I think he has given up on the idea.

The European Union has certain democracy, freedom and anti-corruption standards for becoming a member. The Ukraine will have to meet these standards in order to finalize its membership.

[Misterxxx]

https://globenewsbulletin.com/intern...eu-membership/

It's just the first step, but it's a positive development as it gives Ukrainians hope that they're fighting for a better future, not just a return to the old status quo (or worse).

Also, for those who are quick to point out Ukraine's issues with corruption, that is something the EU specifically says must be addressed before membership is granted.

"'Good work has been done' by Ukraine, but more is needed, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said. Ukraine must make 'important' reforms on rule of law, oligarchs, human rights and tackling corruption, she added."

"Candidacy status is a significant step to joining the EU, however the whole process can take many years".

The current members must still vote, and I'm sure there will be many back room negotiation sessions, but the recent visit to Kyiv from the heads of Germany, France, Italy, and Romania (in which all expressed support for Ukraine in the EU) was a huge boost. And, as the article notes, it was significant that EU Commission President von der Leyen wore clothing in Ukraine's national colors as she made the announcement.

Congratulations to Ukraine!

Turkey had the status for 18 years. Has Turkey ever become a member of the EU?

[Riina]

https://globenewsbulletin.com/intern...eu-membership/

It's just the first step, but it's a positive development as it gives Ukrainians hope that they're fighting for a better future, not just a return to the old status quo (or worse).
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Yeah, keep egging them on.

[Jmsuttr]

https://globenewsbulletin.com/intern...eu-membership/

It's just the first step, but it's a positive development as it gives Ukrainians hope that they're fighting for a better future, not just a return to the old status quo (or worse).

Also, for those who are quick to point out Ukraine's issues with corruption, that is something the EU specifically says must be addressed before membership is granted.

"'Good work has been done' by Ukraine, but more is needed, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said. Ukraine must make 'important' reforms on rule of law, oligarchs, human rights and tackling corruption, she added."

"Candidacy status is a significant step to joining the EU, however the whole process can take many years".

The current members must still vote, and I'm sure there will be many back room negotiation sessions, but the recent visit to Kyiv from the heads of Germany, France, Italy, and Romania (in which all expressed support for Ukraine in the EU) was a huge boost. And, as the article notes, it was significant that EU Commission President von der Leyen wore clothing in Ukraine's national colors as she made the announcement.

Congratulations to Ukraine!