Kyiv

[Riina]

So tried out tinder now I'm here, because. Why not. And the number of hits I've had in a day has been crazy. I'm sure a lot are no going anywhere but so far I've a date on Thursday to walk and talk and see what happens next, and late late tonight a visit planned from a lesbian couple. I have my doubts but it's going to be so late that if nothing transpires then I was only going to sleep anyways.

So many matches, I can't keep all those conversations going.

I'm sure this is on the forum somewhere but from others with more experience here, what is the best approach on tinder to weed out the letdowns?

Tinder works great in Kiev if you are an attractive 20 something looking for hookups. It's useless if you're over 40 and looking for hookers.

[UncleJim]

So tried out tinder now I'm here, because. Why not. And the number of hits I've had in a day has been crazy. I'm sure a lot are no going anywhere but so far I've a date on Thursday to walk and talk and see what happens next, and late late tonight a visit planned from a lesbian couple. I have my doubts but it's going to be so late that if nothing transpires then I was only going to sleep anyways.

So many matches, I can't keep all those conversations going.

I'm sure this is on the forum somewhere but from others with more experience here, what is the best approach on tinder to weed out the letdowns?

[Lucky Nuts]

Okay so there are local guys in front of the clubs that then will take you to these apartments you mention? I am still not quite sure on the process. How can you spot these dudes? And is it safe?

You have 44 posts and all I see are questions so you must be doing research for a book or something because apparently you haven't done any mongering yet. If you have please write up some reports.

Walk around clubs that touts might be looking for horny tourist guys. Use your immagination where they might look for you. Talk to them and get a feel for if they make you comfortable enough to trust. Let them know you are looking for an apartment where you can fuck girls. They will ask you how much you want to spend to know which apartment to send or take you. If it's a trap to rob you how much you carry around? I'm never worth more than $150 local currency plus a cheap phone if someone pulls a knife on me. They can have it all.

[Argo1990]

Yeah it takes some work here in Kyiv. I have never gone to the strip clubs here or used the websites you mention. Just walk around the arena area or clubs and meet a local guy that makes commission by taking tourist guys to apartments.

Okay so there are local guys in front of the clubs that then will take you to these apartments you mention? I am still not quite sure on the process. How can you spot these dudes? And is it safe?

[Riina]

Is $200 usd for overnight a decent price for SA girl in Kiev?

I just reviewed your 36 post, all but 2 are questions. I'm getting this weird feeling of a conspiracy theory by SA to interject itself into the forum even in cities where it is completely useless.

To answer your question. Big no, a pro will not do an overnight with you in Kiev for 200.

[Forever18]

DramaFree looks like you injected this paragraph into the copy of my post making it look as if I had written this:

"A little clarification. There are many girls from $80-150, just takes a little work. Once you get above $150 then you can have some real knock down beautiful girls. They are all over the place. Another plus there is just not that many scams or sex tourist in Russia nothing like what you guys deal with in Kiev. ".

Thanks much for that info. Sounds good to me. I'll keep Moscow on my agenda for a post covid visit.

Yeah I've been reading your posts on Monterrey Mexico and SA forums. Sounds like a good destination using SA. For Kyiv visitors again I strongly discourage trying to use SA to meet girls. It's a waste of time and a $90 monthly membership unless you get lucky. I've met one of two scheduled SA girls so far and she's not as hot as other girls I've fucked in apartments. And I paid considerably more to enjoy her company. Going out to dinner together was great fun though and that's something the apartment girls will not do. But usually the apartment girls can't speak English anyhow. Today I fucked a 19 year old skinny blond with a beautiful ass for 1200 hyrvnia in the city center. Not a word of english even her no for pictures was "nyet". Apparently an apartment for local guys..

Is $200 usd for overnight a decent price for SA girl in Kiev?

[Lucky Nuts]

I'm saying a pussy doesn't want anybody knowing her work. "Never in Ukraine" is what I'm told.

They got friends and contacts.

Yes this is so true and very different from what I am used to in Medellin. The girls in Medellin love having their pics taken knowing that we will show our friends and they will get more dates. The chicas also use their personal facebook page to post sexy pictures and let guys know they are "dispondible para citas" available for dates. Here in Kyiv the girls don't want their pictures taken at all and tell me it's important for them to keep their work life secret from their personal lives. Medellin and Kyiv are polar opposites in this regard.

[UncleJim]

Leaving tomorrow to work from Kiev for a couple of weeks. Covid permitting.

Thanks for all the advice on the thread, I'll drop a writeup on my "activities" when I get home.

But as an initial observation, I've spent a few days contacting whatsApp links on kievlady and relaxkiev. And have a good library now of apartments, costs and blurred photos they've provided. Will see what's up when I arrive but with quoted prices ranging from 1000/ HR to 4000 it's all a lot cheaper than home. Should be a fun few weeks!

[Forever18]

Just some observations from my time so far.

Not all girls that fuck for money are pros or even semi-pros. Some really do want one or as few "clients" as they can while making the income they want. If inundated by thousands of messages from guys offering money for sex, then they disappear. This is true of Mamba, this is true of SA. My mamba girl has not been on Mamba in over two weeks. Yes she is still seeing me regularly. Maybe she has enough clients right now. Maybe if I gave her contact info a hundred guys will contact her and offer her more money and then she will raise her price with me or stop seeing me. If your favorite girl only wants 3 or 2 or 1 client, then competition is not good. I don't care at all if other guys are fucking her, as long as I keep getting what I want from her. If I posted a link to her profile, I think there is a strong possibility it could fuck things up for me.

SA is a mix. There are tons of time wasting scamsI'the say more than half. There are a lot of pros and semi-pros. And then there are "normal" girls. Normal girls do not last long. Usually not more than a few days. If your lucky, your timing will be good and you will have an in for meeting her. There are only so many messages a normal girl can get that say "how much for sex" before she leaves the site. SA takes a lot of work to hit the sweet spot with a normal girl. If you want a pro, there are plenty, but most of them will cost you a lot.

You don't have to be "nice" to these girls in the American sense (and maybe better that you are not), but respect goes a long way. Treating them like real people rather than a piece of meat goes a long way. It is really unfortunate that in Ukraine kindness is often seen as weakness (someone on this board said that and it is true), but respect goes both ways. Life circumstances can make the best girls do thigs they are not necessarily proud of, but if you make her understand it is not something to be ashamed of by respecting her, they appreciate what you give them even more..

How much should I expect to pay a SA girl for 2 hours and overnight? What's the average rate?

[Riina]

Could you explain about "networks have been built in the West and privacy prioritized".

I'm saying a pussy doesn't want anybody knowing her work. "Never in Ukraine" is what I'm told.

They got friends and contacts.

[Riina]

Kyiv is a great city to walk around and see the sights! Last night there were hundreds of girls in the city center dressed in all black most wearing black leather boots and jackets. Spandex pants were a nice complement to their ensables. Although I liked the ones in leather pants just as well. Kyiv easily has the most hot girls walking around the sidewalks of any city I have visited. Eye candy yes but a terrible tease as well. I took this Friday early evening on my walk to meet Yummy for a beer.

It would be fantastic if you could post photos of prostitutes in your apartment. As long as their faces are blurred, they don't care.

[Riina]

The next time you call the agency they will remember you (they LOG ALL numbers), and you should get a better selection.

I got blacklisted.

[Lucky Nuts]

Kyiv is a great city to walk around and see the sights! Last night there were hundreds of girls in the city center dressed in all black most wearing black leather boots and jackets. Spandex pants were a nice complement to their ensables. Although I liked the ones in leather pants just as well. Kyiv easily has the most hot girls walking around the sidewalks of any city I have visited. Eye candy yes but a terrible tease as well. I took this Friday early evening on my walk to meet Yummy for a beer.

[Lucky Nuts]

Spot on. Certain members believe we are in 2010. As if the girls that escort will just plug themselves into a circuit in Kiev. Sorry, but networks have been built in the West and privacy prioritized.

Whether I'm on the Cuba forum or the German FKK forums or here guys are reminising how great things were years ago. Yeah I wish we could go back in time. But we have to live today and find the best game we can. That's what I do anyhow.

Could you explain about "networks have been built in the West and privacy prioritized". I have no idea what you are saying or trying to say.

Likely to change soon. Some disturbing numbers.

Yes agreed. When I planned my trip the infection rate in Ukraine was half that of the USA. So all things equal I'd be safer here (setting aside girl meetings of course). Now Ukraine's rate is gaining rapidly on the USA. Here's a great website that I look at daily to see the trends for countries I often visit:

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...pickerSort=asc

Is there something like an online directory / messaging boards / websites that list these apartments? First time I am hearing this and I have already been to Kiev once albeit back then it was more of a short city trip and not for mongering purposes.

But I always found the hobby to be way too underground and inconvenient to pursue in Kiev. There is the obvious language barrier, strip club girls are (understandably) very expensive and pretty meh looking for the price. There are no brothels, no dedicated addresses where you can just go and fuck 1-2 girls without having to jump through a billion hoops. And so on.

Relaxkiev is the only website that has *somewhat* reliable callgirl listings with reasonable prices but they only have like 10 verified profiles ... so also very sketchy. Mamba used to be a thing but since they changed the interface and the tag system I can't seem to be able to find a decent selection of non fake profiles.

Am I missing anything or have things changed in the past 3 years? Would like to hear more about these "apartments".

Yeah it takes some work here in Kyiv. I have never gone to the strip clubs here or used the websites you mention. Just walk around the arena area or clubs and meet a local guy that makes commission by taking tourist guys to apartments. I have met seveal. Yesterday I found a new apartment and fucked a very hot 21 year old with a small waist perfect ass and good size naturals. She got horny and tried to get herself off as I was banging from the back. Second one did that this week. Using translator she told me this was only her third day working in the apartment and I was the third guy she had sex total. So not many customers around. Price was 2200 but they also ripped me off at 350 for two Coronas. I bought one for her before agreeing to do the deed because she would not make eye contact in the lineup and I wanted to talk with her (via translator) before going to a room. So total cost 2550 here. Later in the night I visited couple other apartments and one "sauna" brothel with mostly unattractive girls. Ending up doing a repeat from two weeks ago again 2200 hrv.

Stopped in Darling with high expectations on a Friday night and it was a double downer. There were 5 girls available and only one halfway decent. She was immersed in a group of 8 or 9 guys that were either local or visiting from Russia. So I didn't even stay for a beer. This place is a gamble because you need to pay your 200 to enter without knowing what's available inside.

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