Kyiv

[Il Duca]

http://www.donezk-dreams.com/

Given all we know about Kiev, these seems like a scam.

[Il Duca]

So I am confused.

This guys says "she orders two more virgin drinks along with a sushi plate and it was a total of 300 grivna which was exactly what I had left in the wallet"

300 grivna = $40.

How do you setout to get some 9 quality rated pu*why with only $40 bucks in your pocket.

Ok so I usually don't post much but here's my take on Kiev. First I'm at lybid hotel 70 buck, run down a bit girl friendly before 9pm. I went to dlux, (very posch) caribian club (small nice for dancing) buddha bar, (nicer than even dlux) vodka bar (non-pros, young crowd, loud music bar, good) and finally SHOOTERS, which I haven't seen reported yet on the forum.

So shooters is for a well dressed young to old crowd, the old being men with money. A tough face control at the door, my arabic "friends" (I'm white) got shut out twice in a a row and I almost did, and I saw others get the negative too. I just didn't bring a sport coat or dress shoes on this trip. Shooters was nice, crowded and had hot women all 7-10 non and semi pros, probably pros too but its not a structured pro place at all.

ANyway here's the meat of the story. I meet a 9 that looks like jennifer conelly when she was 19 (old actress) and begin the process. She likes me and says she wants a virgin mojito, ok no biggie after 5 min but I buy it, then after 15 min she says lets go upstairs for sushi, I think ok she may be trying to get over on me but I also think this is the way it is here and there is no way around it.

We sit and eat and she orders two more virgin drinks along with a sushi plate and it was a total of 300 grivna which was exactly what I had left in the wallet (it was my 4rth place that night) and they don't take amex so. Whew.

And now the fun begins, I was playing it as a non-pro freebee- she said she studies law so I say do you work also, she says no and I say so how do you pay for school and living, thinking I'd get a sad story and then I could say "oh maybe I could help you with that," but instead she becomes offended and says she doesn't like the question. She begins to text her friend and than says"I want to smoke" So thinking I blew it I start damage control with out being to weak looking saying, hey its a fair question and I'm just trying to get to know you" Mind you she hasnt let on to being a prosti yet but I'm getting to think she is by the attitude and other small details.

Long story short, she offered no signs of actually liking me aside from sitting with me and I really just wanted to say,"ok lets cut the shit, you want 600 grivnha or what?" but I didn't have any obvious clue that I should break character. I had told her my job and that I wanted to spend my last day in Kiev with her tomorrow and all she kept saying was "maybe I'm very busy tomorrow" So I'm thinking WTF and she keeps saying she wants to go to the maldives with me? But not lunch? So finally I see the waitress drop off a pack of cigs, I have no money and I tell her she has to pay for that and then the beast comes out,"oh you don't have any money? This is too much for you hahaha, I call my friend then, I like ukranian guy he pay all, hahah I don't like you, you ask question I don't like and you don't pay my things." I remind her I paid 400 already on her and that she should say thank you and not insult me and that maybe in her country its all cash but in america we use credit cards and its not my fault they don't accept it in this place, Also that she never asked if I would buy cigs for her. So we get in a mini battle about manners, and she insists my card was "out of money hahaha" and that I don't have much money, I say I could buy a car with that card and instead of shutting up she gets into"what type of car?" and seriously wants me to name drop cars I "could" buy. I keep it real and say oh who cares, maybe a toyota, she thinks this is ok and says "oh that is a good car" I laugh inside thinking. So in ukraine you must just have to brag and brag, spend 100 bucks up front on drinks and dinner, then if you blow enough smoke up their asses you can F them for free?

I say,"ok I'm going to go get my friend and borrow 30 grivnha so I can pay your smokes but I'm not happy with you or how you talk, you are very "bad educated" I come back 5 min later and magically she is gone and the bill was paid. I see her downstairs and she is already talking with some arabic guy of all people (how did he get in?) iI interrupt and send him on his way and say "oh I went back and didn't see you" she looked at me for a long 5 seconds. Grabbed her purse and went off in the direction of said oil sheek.

Side note, the night before two 9's came up to me all smiley and wanting to know where I was from, I am young looking (26 by all who meet me) but really nearer to 40, blond blue eyes in shape, so I get alot of looks here, they can tell I'm foreign. So these two 9's ask for drinks after 5 min and when I say ok and turn to buy them, hey are off talking to others and then slowly drift away as I wait for their drinks. Drinks arrive, they are out of sight. Again WTF?

Another girl, a 9 easy, I approached by tapping her shoulder since the music was extremely loud, she says" I don't like when men touch me" I say oh so you must not have a boyfriend then either, she actually smiled at that but then went back to * mode and said, I don't want to talk to you" I tried once more to no avail. This was the second time that happened to me, I barely tap a girl on the outer shoulder and BOOM, its over.

SO wrap up, I pick 9's only, true 9's not made up 28 year olds who have had kids, but young hot white w nice skin, and thin and I'm a guy whos lived in brasil for a year and know what a true hotty looks like. So maybe its the level but so far I really don't get it here. Granted I had only two nights but It seems the girls here are very cutthroat and basically stupid. Can't any guy just say hes rich? I'm not against buying a drink even though I would never do this in the US, I know its a different culture but why ask for a drink and bail? Why get so bent if you are a semi pro when I ask about your work and don't buy 3 dollar cigarettes after 60 dollars in food and drink?

Is this just a bad start or am I playing the game wrong? I thought the soft sell was best. I never walk up and go "hey you, you want to F me? I pay you X amount"

Comments

[Start123]

Ok so I usually don't post much but here's my take on Kiev. First I'm at lybid hotel 70 buck, run down a bit girl friendly before 9pm. I went to dlux, (very posch) caribian club (small nice for dancing) buddha bar, (nicer than even dlux) vodka bar (non-pros, young crowd, loud music bar, good) and finally SHOOTERS, which I haven't seen reported yet on the forum.

So shooters is for a well dressed young to old crowd, the old being men with money. A tough face control at the door, my arabic "friends" (I'm white) got shut out twice in a a row and I almost did, and I saw others get the negative too. I just didn't bring a sport coat or dress shoes on this trip. Shooters was nice, crowded and had hot women all 7-10 non and semi pros, probably pros too but its not a structured pro place at all.

ANyway here's the meat of the story. I meet a 9 that looks like jennifer conelly when she was 19 (old actress) and begin the process. She likes me and says she wants a virgin mojito, ok no biggie after 5 min but I buy it, then after 15 min she says lets go upstairs for sushi, I think ok she may be trying to get over on me but I also think this is the way it is here and there is no way around it.

We sit and eat and she orders two more virgin drinks along with a sushi plate and it was a total of 300 grivna which was exactly what I had left in the wallet (it was my 4rth place that night) and they don't take amex so. Whew.

And now the fun begins, I was playing it as a non-pro freebee- she said she studies law so I say do you work also, she says no and I say so how do you pay for school and living, thinking I'd get a sad story and then I could say "oh maybe I could help you with that," but instead she becomes offended and says she doesn't like the question. She begins to text her friend and than says"I want to smoke" So thinking I blew it I start damage control with out being to weak looking saying, hey its a fair question and I'm just trying to get to know you" Mind you she hasnt let on to being a prosti yet but I'm getting to think she is by the attitude and other small details.

Long story short, she offered no signs of actually liking me aside from sitting with me and I really just wanted to say,"ok lets cut the shit, you want 600 grivnha or what?" but I didn't have any obvious clue that I should break character. I had told her my job and that I wanted to spend my last day in Kiev with her tomorrow and all she kept saying was "maybe I'm very busy tomorrow" So I'm thinking WTF and she keeps saying she wants to go to the maldives with me? But not lunch? So finally I see the waitress drop off a pack of cigs, I have no money and I tell her she has to pay for that and then the beast comes out,"oh you don't have any money? This is too much for you hahaha, I call my friend then, I like ukranian guy he pay all, hahah I don't like you, you ask question I don't like and you don't pay my things." I remind her I paid 400 already on her and that she should say thank you and not insult me and that maybe in her country its all cash but in america we use credit cards and its not my fault they don't accept it in this place, Also that she never asked if I would buy cigs for her. So we get in a mini battle about manners, and she insists my card was "out of money hahaha" and that I don't have much money, I say I could buy a car with that card and instead of shutting up she gets into"what type of car?" and seriously wants me to name drop cars I "could" buy. I keep it real and say oh who cares, maybe a toyota, she thinks this is ok and says "oh that is a good car" I laugh inside thinking. So in ukraine you must just have to brag and brag, spend 100 bucks up front on drinks and dinner, then if you blow enough smoke up their asses you can F them for free?

I say,"ok I'm going to go get my friend and borrow 30 grivnha so I can pay your smokes but I'm not happy with you or how you talk, you are very "bad educated" I come back 5 min later and magically she is gone and the bill was paid. I see her downstairs and she is already talking with some arabic guy of all people (how did he get in?) iI interrupt and send him on his way and say "oh I went back and didn't see you" she looked at me for a long 5 seconds. Grabbed her purse and went off in the direction of said oil sheek.

Side note, the night before two 9's came up to me all smiley and wanting to know where I was from, I am young looking (26 by all who meet me) but really nearer to 40, blond blue eyes in shape, so I get alot of looks here, they can tell I'm foreign. So these two 9's ask for drinks after 5 min and when I say ok and turn to buy them, hey are off talking to others and then slowly drift away as I wait for their drinks. Drinks arrive, they are out of sight. Again WTF?

Another girl, a 9 easy, I approached by tapping her shoulder since the music was extremely loud, she says" I don't like when men touch me" I say oh so you must not have a boyfriend then either, she actually smiled at that but then went back to * mode and said, I don't want to talk to you" I tried once more to no avail. This was the second time that happened to me, I barely tap a girl on the outer shoulder and BOOM, its over.

SO wrap up, I pick 9's only, true 9's not made up 28 year olds who have had kids, but young hot white w nice skin, and thin and I'm a guy whos lived in brasil for a year and know what a true hotty looks like. So maybe its the level but so far I really don't get it here. Granted I had only two nights but It seems the girls here are very cutthroat and basically stupid. Can't any guy just say hes rich? I'm not against buying a drink even though I would never do this in the US, I know its a different culture but why ask for a drink and bail? Why get so bent if you are a semi pro when I ask about your work and don't buy 3 dollar cigarettes after 60 dollars in food and drink?

Is this just a bad start or am I playing the game wrong? I thought the soft sell was best. I never walk up and go "hey you, you want to F me? I pay you X amount"

Comments

=+1Mate.

Similar experience in Ukraine. Girls seem to be dumb and ADD. Ungrateful cunts. Even teenage mothers with no future demanding too much! Reminds me of USA.

[Member #4491]

Ok so I usually don't post much but here's my take on Kiev.

These girls are in a currupt state of mind. They are found everywhere on the globe. The more you try to impress them, the more their distorted childish egos will try to step on your face in an irrational attempt to boost their self esteem, and to get as much as possible for as little as possible. A desperate power game, where no one really did define the agenda and target (I doubt that you where shopping for a wife; hence the Toyota talk is of topic in that bar). Their greedy egos are in control and the sane thing would be to immediately leave this negative place, and try to meet someone that is more open for accepting either your attention or your cash, without having to compensate their life compromises by trying to make men in their surroundings feel as unworthy qualifiers. But they are pretty and have a vagina so staying and trying is the mongers lot in life. .

A man should never qualify, at least not on these parameters you mention. Especially not for a wh*re. Tapping a shoulder would be a mistake in many places where people are angry as a default state, but maybe if you just face these girls in a not so passively aggressive way and are honest about your intentions? Tell a girl that you find her incredibly beautiful and sexy, and would like to spend the evening and possibly night with her. Smile as you charm. Before she replies you ask her if you can buy her a drink. Her exit to dismiss you or say yes. If SHE does not qualify for YOUR attention and money within that one drink, send her off just like you would do in Brazil. You lead, she follows. I rarely entertain two or more girls if I intend to fuck that night. It can go just about either way, unless they are outspoken pros with a price tag around their neck, or unless one is my "gf" of course.

Although I only traveled to e east Europe some 7-8 times I get to work a lot with people from these countries, and as I see it the predominant female brew in east Europe is a mix of traditional man / woman stereo types and a simplistic materialistic definition of power and success. A slightly desperate ideology that I think is greatly affected by the erased history (simple but enlightening reading is for example "Imperium" from 1993 by Ryszard Kapu&347; ci&324; ski). I find such impress-games you mention totally boring and they trigger things in me that makes me feel less happy about myself and my evening. Detach from it or walk away is Barbas recipy for himself, when in such negative energy fields. 50% of the ISG population will think that I am just babbling away with superficial shit, but I bet that that if you stop trying to impress these girls and just focus on partying and having fun with others like minded, the females will be impressed and will start to want your attention and your money.

Good luck!

B.

[Member #4274]

Ok so I usually don't post much but here's my take on Kiev. First I'm at lybid hotel 70 buck, run down a bit girl friendly before 9pm. I went to dlux, (very posch) caribian club (small nice for dancing) buddha bar, (nicer than even dlux) vodka bar (non-pros, young crowd, loud music bar, good) and finally SHOOTERS, which I haven't seen reported yet on the forum.

So shooters is for a well dressed young to old crowd, the old being men with money. A tough face control at the door, my arabic "friends" (I'm white) got shut out twice in a a row and I almost did, and I saw others get the negative too. I just didn't bring a sport coat or dress shoes on this trip. Shooters was nice, crowded and had hot women all 7-10 non and semi pros, probably pros too but its not a structured pro place at all.

ANyway here's the meat of the story. I meet a 9 that looks like jennifer conelly when she was 19 (old actress) and begin the process. She likes me and says she wants a virgin mojito, ok no biggie after 5 min but I buy it, then after 15 min she says lets go upstairs for sushi, I think ok she may be trying to get over on me but I also think this is the way it is here and there is no way around it.

We sit and eat and she orders two more virgin drinks along with a sushi plate and it was a total of 300 grivna which was exactly what I had left in the wallet (it was my 4rth place that night) and they don't take amex so. Whew.

And now the fun begins, I was playing it as a non-pro freebee- she said she studies law so I say do you work also, she says no and I say so how do you pay for school and living, thinking I'd get a sad story and then I could say "oh maybe I could help you with that," but instead she becomes offended and says she doesn't like the question. She begins to text her friend and than says"I want to smoke" So thinking I blew it I start damage control with out being to weak looking saying, hey its a fair question and I'm just trying to get to know you" Mind you she hasnt let on to being a prosti yet but I'm getting to think she is by the attitude and other small details.

Long story short, she offered no signs of actually liking me aside from sitting with me and I really just wanted to say,"ok lets cut the shit, you want 600 grivnha or what?" but I didn't have any obvious clue that I should break character. I had told her my job and that I wanted to spend my last day in Kiev with her tomorrow and all she kept saying was "maybe I'm very busy tomorrow" So I'm thinking WTF and she keeps saying she wants to go to the maldives with me? But not lunch? So finally I see the waitress drop off a pack of cigs, I have no money and I tell her she has to pay for that and then the beast comes out,"oh you don't have any money? This is too much for you hahaha, I call my friend then, I like ukranian guy he pay all, hahah I don't like you, you ask question I don't like and you don't pay my things." I remind her I paid 400 already on her and that she should say thank you and not insult me and that maybe in her country its all cash but in america we use credit cards and its not my fault they don't accept it in this place, Also that she never asked if I would buy cigs for her. So we get in a mini battle about manners, and she insists my card was "out of money hahaha" and that I don't have much money, I say I could buy a car with that card and instead of shutting up she gets into"what type of car?" and seriously wants me to name drop cars I "could" buy. I keep it real and say oh who cares, maybe a toyota, she thinks this is ok and says "oh that is a good car" I laugh inside thinking. So in ukraine you must just have to brag and brag, spend 100 bucks up front on drinks and dinner, then if you blow enough smoke up their asses you can F them for free?

I say,"ok I'm going to go get my friend and borrow 30 grivnha so I can pay your smokes but I'm not happy with you or how you talk, you are very "bad educated" I come back 5 min later and magically she is gone and the bill was paid. I see her downstairs and she is already talking with some arabic guy of all people (how did he get in?) iI interrupt and send him on his way and say "oh I went back and didn't see you" she looked at me for a long 5 seconds. Grabbed her purse and went off in the direction of said oil sheek.

Side note, the night before two 9's came up to me all smiley and wanting to know where I was from, I am young looking (26 by all who meet me) but really nearer to 40, blond blue eyes in shape, so I get alot of looks here, they can tell I'm foreign. So these two 9's ask for drinks after 5 min and when I say ok and turn to buy them, hey are off talking to others and then slowly drift away as I wait for their drinks. Drinks arrive, they are out of sight. Again WTF?

Another girl, a 9 easy, I approached by tapping her shoulder since the music was extremely loud, she says" I don't like when men touch me" I say oh so you must not have a boyfriend then either, she actually smiled at that but then went back to * mode and said, I don't want to talk to you" I tried once more to no avail. This was the second time that happened to me, I barely tap a girl on the outer shoulder and BOOM, its over.

SO wrap up, I pick 9's only, true 9's not made up 28 year olds who have had kids, but young hot white w nice skin, and thin and I'm a guy whos lived in brasil for a year and know what a true hotty looks like. So maybe its the level but so far I really don't get it here. Granted I had only two nights but It seems the girls here are very cutthroat and basically stupid. Can't any guy just say hes rich? I'm not against buying a drink even though I would never do this in the US, I know its a different culture but why ask for a drink and bail? Why get so bent if you are a semi pro when I ask about your work and don't buy 3 dollar cigarettes after 60 dollars in food and drink?

Is this just a bad start or am I playing the game wrong? I thought the soft sell was best. I never walk up and go "hey you, you want to F me? I pay you X amount"

Comments

Bbilly,

Sorry about your negative experience in Kyiv thus far. I am not sure what advice I can give you other than make sure you dress well (I always wear a fashionable dress shirt and tie or jeans with a blazer and lacoste shoes) , carry more money on you (I usually have 2-2600 grivnha on me) and use your gut instinct when speaking with a woman in Kyiv. Not all Ukrainian women are poorly mannered and looking to take advantage of you, but when you decide to meet women in clubs there all bets are off. Try the internet. Like you I am not into strippers and outright prostitutes. I prefer chasing semi-pros or regular women. I find the interent is a much better source than clubs. But that is just my two cents.

However, I want to thank you for being so honest in your post. It was an interesting and entertaining read. I mean that respectfully. Much more realistic than some of the obviously fabricated, exaggerated and outright boastful drivel that gets posted on this forum. Trust me, your experience is probably much more common than you think. It just doesn't get posted. Good luck in your future hunting!

[Bbilly]

Ok so I usually don't post much but here's my take on Kiev. First I'm at lybid hotel 70 buck, run down a bit girl friendly before 9pm. I went to dlux, (very posch) caribian club (small nice for dancing) buddha bar, (nicer than even dlux) vodka bar (non-pros, young crowd, loud music bar, good) and finally SHOOTERS, which I haven't seen reported yet on the forum.

So shooters is for a well dressed young to old crowd, the old being men with money. A tough face control at the door, my arabic "friends" (I'm white) got shut out twice in a a row and I almost did, and I saw others get the negative too. I just didn't bring a sport coat or dress shoes on this trip. Shooters was nice, crowded and had hot women all 7-10 non and semi pros, probably pros too but its not a structured pro place at all.

ANyway here's the meat of the story. I meet a 9 that looks like jennifer conelly when she was 19 (old actress) and begin the process. She likes me and says she wants a virgin mojito, ok no biggie after 5 min but I buy it, then after 15 min she says lets go upstairs for sushi, I think ok she may be trying to get over on me but I also think this is the way it is here and there is no way around it.

We sit and eat and she orders two more virgin drinks along with a sushi plate and it was a total of 300 grivna which was exactly what I had left in the wallet (it was my 4rth place that night) and they don't take amex so. Whew.

And now the fun begins, I was playing it as a non-pro freebee- she said she studies law so I say do you work also, she says no and I say so how do you pay for school and living, thinking I'd get a sad story and then I could say "oh maybe I could help you with that," but instead she becomes offended and says she doesn't like the question. She begins to text her friend and than says"I want to smoke" So thinking I blew it I start damage control with out being to weak looking saying, hey its a fair question and I'm just trying to get to know you" Mind you she hasnt let on to being a prosti yet but I'm getting to think she is by the attitude and other small details.

Long story short, she offered no signs of actually liking me aside from sitting with me and I really just wanted to say,"ok lets cut the shit, you want 600 grivnha or what?" but I didn't have any obvious clue that I should break character. I had told her my job and that I wanted to spend my last day in Kiev with her tomorrow and all she kept saying was "maybe I'm very busy tomorrow" So I'm thinking WTF and she keeps saying she wants to go to the maldives with me? But not lunch? So finally I see the waitress drop off a pack of cigs, I have no money and I tell her she has to pay for that and then the beast comes out,"oh you don't have any money? This is too much for you hahaha, I call my friend then, I like ukranian guy he pay all, hahah I don't like you, you ask question I don't like and you don't pay my things." I remind her I paid 400 already on her and that she should say thank you and not insult me and that maybe in her country its all cash but in america we use credit cards and its not my fault they don't accept it in this place, Also that she never asked if I would buy cigs for her. So we get in a mini battle about manners, and she insists my card was "out of money hahaha" and that I don't have much money, I say I could buy a car with that card and instead of shutting up she gets into"what type of car?" and seriously wants me to name drop cars I "could" buy. I keep it real and say oh who cares, maybe a toyota, she thinks this is ok and says "oh that is a good car" I laugh inside thinking. So in ukraine you must just have to brag and brag, spend 100 bucks up front on drinks and dinner, then if you blow enough smoke up their asses you can F them for free?

I say,"ok I'm going to go get my friend and borrow 30 grivnha so I can pay your smokes but I'm not happy with you or how you talk, you are very "bad educated" I come back 5 min later and magically she is gone and the bill was paid. I see her downstairs and she is already talking with some arabic guy of all people (how did he get in?) iI interrupt and send him on his way and say "oh I went back and didn't see you" she looked at me for a long 5 seconds. Grabbed her purse and went off in the direction of said oil sheek.

Side note, the night before two 9's came up to me all smiley and wanting to know where I was from, I am young looking (26 by all who meet me) but really nearer to 40, blond blue eyes in shape, so I get alot of looks here, they can tell I'm foreign. So these two 9's ask for drinks after 5 min and when I say ok and turn to buy them, hey are off talking to others and then slowly drift away as I wait for their drinks. Drinks arrive, they are out of sight. Again WTF?

Another girl, a 9 easy, I approached by tapping her shoulder since the music was extremely loud, she says" I don't like when men touch me" I say oh so you must not have a boyfriend then either, she actually smiled at that but then went back to ***** mode and said, I don't want to talk to you" I tried once more to no avail. This was the second time that happened to me, I barely tap a girl on the outer shoulder and BOOM, its over.

SO wrap up, I pick 9's only, true 9's not made up 28 year olds who have had kids, but young hot white w nice skin, and thin and I'm a guy whos lived in brasil for a year and know what a true hotty looks like. So maybe its the level but so far I really don't get it here. Granted I had only two nights but It seems the girls here are very cutthroat and basically stupid. Can't any guy just say hes rich? I'm not against buying a drink even though I would never do this in the US, I know its a different culture but why ask for a drink and bail? Why get so bent if you are a semi pro when I ask about your work and don't buy 3 dollar cigarettes after 60 dollars in food and drink?

Is this just a bad start or am I playing the game wrong? I thought the soft sell was best. I never walk up and go "hey you, you want to F me? I pay you X amount"

Comments

[HunterDave]

My last trip was great and while I had several nice freebie and semi-pro lays I thought I would single out one special lay. While the 18 year old freebie and the 20 year old (Julia) University freebie were close Honorable Mentions and 1st runner-up, respectively, the Mong-scar (monger oscar) goes to Olya for her massages, great sex and mindblowing BBBJs. LOL! Overall a very happy and enjoyable trip!

ABC,

Hunter Dave

[HunterDave]

My college hottie from Tuesday night, Julia, . Her best could curl your hair and make your ass whistle.) We cleaned up after 9 AM and as she headed to the shower I can still picture in my mindseye those silhouetted nice big lips between those luscious thighs walking away from me. I get hard just re-picturing those lips. .

Hunter Dave

My mindseye of those lucious lips in the jacuzzi and in my bed.

May the monger force be with you!

Hunter Dave

[JohnMorris1975]

Hi people! I also used KievInn many times.

http://www.kievinn.com/

, this is great place just 70 meters from main square, I was in room with sauna and Jacuzzi on top floor.

http://www.kievinn.com/apartments-6.html

There is 24 hours security and I felt myself comfortable there. I was there several times with my g / f at KievInn, she was pretty girl and all was perfect but she started to ask money. Like she need money because her father need medicine for 1000$! And if I send money she agree to came to me again but if no then she not came. So I finished relations with her. And soon I will came to KievInn apartments again, in September. But without girl! I'm 36 years old guy and never picked up girls in Kiev. Where should I go? I heard about Rio, Budda Bar, Vodka Bar. What place better? Is there only prostitutes there or also ordinary girls which want relations? How can I recognize who is who? If she normal girl and if I ask sex for money she can be unhappy if I ask sex for money. But if I only want sex how can I recognize who is prostitutes?

Hope to hear some advices

[ErickMorsa]

I have spent a lot of time over the last day or two reading articles in this forum and have got a ton of information but still have some questions.

Its seems as though staying in an apartment is the way to go? Are they secure and safe? Any recommendations on where to rent from (so far I have been speaking with the people at.

http://www.kievapts.com/

)?

As far as girls. I am a 30 year old guy from Miami Beach. I am a good looking and have my stuff together and have no problem picking up chicks (7-8. 5's) pretty much nightly in the US and places I visit. I am interested in picking up normal girls in day time and at night time in the clubs. Is this very doable? What are the best places to hang out in the city in day and what are the best night spots?

As far WG's. I like to pick up WG's, but am very selective and like to go for girls that it is hard for me or can't pick up on my own or that I can do different things with (3somes). Money is really not an issue for me and I do have limited time (4 nights). From what I have read it seems like the overall consensus is Rio, any other suggestions. Also for a massage place is Rakuena the best (top quality girls)?

What about mamba. Ru? I set up a profile there and have started messaging girls. Is there a good way to go about this to weed out the fakes and get good results? Or, is mamba a waste of time?

What about top-modals? (are they all BS pics)

Also, I always read about all of these College girls who are looking for a sponsor and are half pros and all this. Where do you find these girls?

Thanks in advance for anyone that can give me some more info.

Also you can go to Budha Bar, nicegirls, starting on 200 USD hour.

[ErickMorsa]

Which one is better or at east less fakes? Furthermore, seems for me Mamba a risk with Spyes or virus or am I wrong? Ane bad experiences in this topic with Mamba?

Also GIA, yes they are the girls, but with lots of Photoshop.

[ErickMorsa]

Well for those who like to be after young girls and no paying or maybe pay less, Vodka Bar is good option, I went on Thursday, It was crowdy, lot of young girls, a freind of mine talk utside with some girls and we get in, ofcourse is better if you ask for a table and for this need to buy a bottle, but this way is easier to find girls, wemet some girls from Moscow, cute nice, and we had good night, also not recomended for going on Wednesday, a lot of guys almost no girls.

Vodka Bar is near from Globus.

[Curious12]

I am not sure if the guy from Kievinn has any rooms. He is supposed to let me know tomorrow. Do you know of any other places similar to this?

Also do you know if Rio is open on Sunday night.

No, all other places have regular apartments, but nothing like that.

Rio is open every day.

[Sponsor74]

GIA:s pictures are for real, at least it is photos of the girl coming to you. Of course the photos are chosen to show her best sides.

In top modal you are gambling. Some are real and some are fake.

Which one is better or at east less fakes? Furthermore, seems for me Mamba a risk with Spyes or virus or am I wrong? Ane bad experiences in this topic with Mamba?

[Lappgubbe]

Does any one know if either of these sites are real girls, no bait and switch? Top-modals has some pretty fine girls, I find it hard to believe they are 100 an hour and real.

Also is shooters and patiba best place to pick up younger university girls?

GIA:s pictures are for real, at least it is photos of the girl coming to you. Of course the photos are chosen to show her best sides.

In top modal you are gambling. Some are real and some are fake.