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[CheekyDancer]

You don't need an explanation or answere, you need to read what already has been explained here time and time again.

You could begin with "General Information" in the Ukrainian Forum.

Then there is some serious advice in "Reports of distinction"-section.

Again, you can try the search-function (search this forum).

But for this you need to upgrade and pay the fee. But this is probably what you don't want to do. You want everything from others and no contribution from you.

Show some respect.

Thank you for your advice, harsh as it was. I paid the subscription some time ago and tried the search function which didn't really answer my question. So I asked. Don't just assume I am a selfish idiot. Show some respect to new people and it will help the forum bring in new paying members. A little help never cost anything especially from senior members. It is a community after all.

[Guntherus]

You don't need an explanation or answere, you need to read what already has been explained here time and time again.

You could begin with "General Information" in the Ukrainian Forum.

Then there is some serious advice in "Reports of distinction"-section.

Again, you can try the search-function (search this forum).

But for this you need to upgrade and pay the fee. But this is probably what you don't want to do. You want everything from others and no contribution from you.

Show some respect.

Hello, People,

I am a bit of a newbie to all this and have been chatting with a few girls on Mamba as I am planning a trip to Kiev in August. Could someone explain what a Sponsor is and what sort of prices you would typically pay a girl to sponsor her. Is it a monthly rate you pay her, a weekly rate you pay while you are with her. How exactly does it work. Thanks in advance.

[CheekyDancer]

Hello, People,

I am a bit of a newbie to all this and have been chatting with a few girls on Mamba as I am planning a trip to Kiev in August. Could someone explain what a Sponsor is and what sort of prices you would typically pay a girl to sponsor her. Is it a monthly rate you pay her, a weekly rate you pay while you are with her. How exactly does it work. Thanks in advance.

[Ezyngo]

Hey Ezyngo,

What you need is a friend. Someone to show you the city. My suggestion is to join a few websites and pretend you are going to Kiev to find your true love and not sex.

Hi CanadianBoy:

Thank you for your insightful response / comment. This is exactly the rout I would like to go. But there are hundreds of websites out there for this purpose. I am not sure which one is respectable. Can you suggest a few for me? Or your personal favorite? I appreciate all the help I can get.

Its too bad you are leaving on September 10. I am considering a return trip to Kiev on September 12 to October 25. But if you have any questions please feel free to ask. I might be able to guide you as I know the position you are facing.

I am considering changing my travel plan so it somewhat coincides with yours. But I will see what kind of response I get from others as far as getting together for a beer or two.

Thanks again.

Good days.

EZ

[Member #4274]

Sounds like you definitely had a blast. Absolutely not possible in the States. Where did you meet this girl? I am planning a trip from August 31 to September 10 to Kiev. Yes, it will be my first. I've been to a lot of countries in South America but I thought a change of 'scenery' should be in order. It gets old after a while. I wonder if I can survive without speaking a word in Russian there. I feel uncomfortable thinking about this. I would appreciate any suggestions you and other experienced mongers to Ukraine. A member by the name of 'Me and you' advised me that in order to meet semi-pro or non pro that I'd 'Better your start your search before you go to Kiev' but my question is where do I start? And lastly if any of you will be in Kiev around about the same time as my trip, please PM me. The first round of beers is on me. Or even the second round. LOL.

Good days gents.

EZ

Hey Ezyngo,

I went to Kiev for the first time last summer and like you I was a bit nervous going. Don't worry about not speaking Russian; yes, it would help but it is not at all imperative. I got by well without it. Ukrainians are not like Parisians; Ukrainians will politely apologize to you for not speaking English better whereas the French will just continue speaking French obtusely. As for getting around the city, without the help of a woman I met online it would have been very difficult. She was terrific. She met me at my flat when I arrived and showed me around the city. She helped with anything I need as I was not trying to stick my manhood in her at every chance. At first I was nervous and not at all impressed by Kiev but after a week it grew on me. However, the shock of being in such a different city compared to the comfort of the west was lessened as I once lived and worked in Budapest, Hungary. I liked Kiev so much I decided to stay a month and was upset when it was time to go back to Canada.

The person who suggested you start trying to find a woman online was correct. However, you can meet women for sex in clubs or strip joints. What you need is a friend. Someone to show you the city. My suggestion is to join a few websites and pretend you are going to Kiev to find your true love and not sex. Be a gentleman and not a creep. It worked wonders for me. Now I know a dozen women in Kiev and got four Christmas cards from the Ukraine last December. Maybe you will find a sex partner online, sure. I say it is quite easy. But you need to meet a regular Ukrainian woman who is interested in your friendship and not your money. Well, not immediately, anyway. They are valuable as they will give you objective advice and guidance. And who would you rather spend your time with: one of us guys or a nice Ukrainain woman? . Once you know your way around you'll be golden!

Its too bad you are leaving on September 10. I am considering a return trip to Kiev on September 12 to October 25. But if you have any questions please feel free to ask. I might be able to guide you as I know the position you are facing.

[Ezyngo]

Just back to Kiev from Maldives where I stayed for a week with a girl I met in Kiev. I paid for the entire cost of the trip, but she is a regular girl, meaning I did not pay her. I have to say it was a blast for me in the late 40s to make love to a beauty 25 year junior everyday in a water bungalow. Not possible in the USA unless you're a movie star.

So, who's in Kiev now? I will be here until August 4th. Let's hit Rio together or something. Please send me a PM. Thanks.

Sounds like you definitely had a blast. Absolutely not possible in the States. Where did you meet this girl? I am planning a trip from August 31 to September 10 to Kiev. Yes, it will be my first. I've been to a lot of countries in South America but I thought a change of 'scenery' should be in order. It gets old after a while. I wonder if I can survive without speaking a word in Russian there. I feel uncomfortable thinking about this. I would appreciate any suggestions you and other experienced mongers to Ukraine. A member by the name of 'Me and you' advised me that in order to meet semi-pro or non pro that I'd 'Better your start your search before you go to Kiev' but my question is where do I start? And lastly if any of you will be in Kiev around about the same time as my trip, please PM me. The first round of beers is on me. Or even the second round. LOL.

Good days gents.

EZ

[Sorbonne]

I have struggled with this question as well. I went to FFKs every year from 2003 to 2009. I have been to Kiev every year from 2007 to 2011. I have gradually shifted toward Kiev.

[Sorbonne]

Just back to Kiev from Maldives where I stayed for a week with a girl I met in Kiev. I paid for the entire cost of the trip, but she is a regular girl, meaning I did not pay her. I have to say it was a blast for me in the late 40s to make love to a beauty 25 year junior everyday in a water bungalow. Not possible in the USA unless you're a movie star.

So, who's in Kiev now? I will be here until August 4th. Let's hit Rio together or something. Please send me a PM. Thanks.

[Maxime]

Interesting comparision. (see also my other post). I think FKKs and visiting Kiev (or any other eastern-european city) are totally different things. When I am in Kiev, I almost always succeed in having non-paid sex, because there are many girls around, and also many non-pros like to have a good time. It is of course not completely for free, because you pay for drinks, dinner, etc, but not for the sex directly. If you are able to pick-up girls in your homeland, then you are also able to do this in Kiev and you end up with much better girls than at home IMHO! Also you will have DFK and OWO as "standard" with these kind of dates, but of course it can also result in a less succesfull evening with no sex at all.

If you look strictly at paid sex (so professional workers) , I agree with most of the things Liljoey wrote. And especially because the service level in Kiev (and other cities) is very unpredictable, compared to the very reliable FKKs in Germany, I would always choose for the latter one. In e. G. Oase, all girls must offer DFK and OWO as standard (if they ask extra for it, and management knows about it, they are warned only one time. 2nd time they can go!) , and most of the girls offer CIM, CIF and A-level if you are willing to pay extra for this, but all in all for me this results in a 90% score of good sessions when I go there.

Of course focus in the FKKs is purely on sex, little relax in between, but then sex again (I Love it!) , but if you want a more relaxig and cultural environment, and also have some non-sex quality time with a beautiful woman on your side, visiting Kiev (and other cities) is a better choice and has a more relaxing atmosphere, and as said, you better find a non-pro girl on the street / shops / restaurants / bars / etc before going to pay for it. It seems Club Caribean still has a mix of "regular" and "pros" being present, so you can then always decide what you want.

Trip for Weekend Aug 31 – Sept 6.

I am confronting the age old question of FKKs vs Kiev in designing my next trip. I'm undecided as to the best course for my upcoming trip on the Labor Day holiday weekend of Aug 31 – Sept 6. I have already booked my flight arriving in Frankfurt Sept 1 and returning from Frankfurt Sept 6. But I am torn between staying for all five nights of the long weekend in Frankfurt, or flying to Kiev for a visit from Sept 2 – 5, which will leave me with only the first night and the last night in Frankfurt, and three nights in Kiev in between.

The reason for my indecision is because of my reactions to what happened on my last recent trip to Kiev and Frankfurt for the weekend of July 1 – 5.

MY LAST TRIP: KIEV: The trip to Kiev was awesome. I had amazing sex with one of my favorite girls from Rio on Friday night, then on Saturday night I was with Alexandra, a new girl from Rio, and then Sunday I spent a wonderful 3 afternoon hours in bed with Alina, a sexy blond from vodkaescorts, and topped it off with an incredible 3 hour duo experience with my favorite Rio girl, together with Gella, a really cute blond, who was a new girl there. It was a great weekend filled with a total of 12 hours of very good sex at the $100 / hr rate and loads of awesome visual memories to savor until my next visit to Kiev.

MY LAST TRIP: FKKs: On the way back home, I spent the night of July 4 in Brussels and sampled the offerings of the red light district there on Aerschot Street alongside the Gare du Nord, and the next day I stopped in Frankfurt on July 5 and spent an amazing afternoon with three hot Romanian girls at FKK Oase which still has my head spinning. The three sessions at Oase were a total of four hours for 400 Euro plus the 65 Euro entrance fee, with the total cost in dollars for the four hours of bliss being approximately (465 Euro =) $650.

COSTS: Clearly, when one is considering large amounts of p4p sex over a weekend, an important aspect to consider is that the rates are much cheaper in Kiev than in the Frankfurt FKKs. For the 12 hours of sex that cost $1200 in Kiev, one would have to pay 1200 Euro, or $1684 USD in Frankfurt FKKs for the same amount of time.

BEAUTY: At the FKKs, the girls are mostly hot girls, definitely doable for the most part. I am partial to the dark-haired swarthy-looking girls from places like Romania and Bulgaria, who tend to have very sexy, sculpted hard—bodies. So I am a happy—camper in the FKKs where there are many such girls. Of course, at Oase I also saw the beautiful and sexy, Nina, a home—grown German blond sex machine. There are often very pretty Polish blondes there as well. But somehow, when I consider the Ukrainian hotties I have been fucking from Rio strip club, I personally feel that the Kiev girls are more consistently beautiful and more generally, on a higher level of looks than the FKK girls, but this is subjective, of course.

SERVICE: In this area, I feel that the FKK girls, in general, provide better service on a more consistent basis. The uncovered blow job is standard in the FKKs, whereas in Kiev, there is no guarantee of an uncovered blow job, or a concept of a 'standard service' that includes it. Each girl in Kiev is different, and an uncovered blow job must be agreed to separately.

NOTE: FKK standard session is supposed to include uncovered blow job, however, some girls have taken to trying to charge another 50 Euro for it as an 'extra, ' a practice we must unilaterally reject because it will ruin something that was great about the FKKs. The best way is to side—step the issue by telling the girl that instead of paying her 100 Euro for a 30 minute session with uncovered blow job, you are prepared to give her more time and pay her the 100 Euro for an hour session but only, of course, if the blow job is uncovered, and no more of this nonsense about extras. Most of the time it works for me, and if it doesn't, I pass on doing a session with such a girl charging as an extra for a service that was always considered included in the standard session. Of course, if you are a guy who doesn't want to spend 100 Euro for an hour session, this won't work for you, and you should pass on that girl.

ENVIRONMENT: I include this as a factor to consider because there is nothing quite like the impact of the environment of an FKK! When you walk into a room filled with gorgeous naked women, all wanting sex with you, just for the asking, it is a shocking, mind—blowing, truly unique experience, that cannot be rivaled. You will not find anything in Kiev to compare with this aspect. The FKK is a heady, sexual, hedonistic extravaganza, that has to be experienced to understand it, because words cannot capture the feeling of it adequately. I have compared it to having an open pass to go to Hugh Heffner's Playboy Mansion, where Centerfold models lounge around the pool and the grounds, and that you can also have sex with as many of those hot girls as you want, effortlessly. In Kiev, you have to do a lot more work to get good pussy into your bed.

SEXUAL CAPACITY: An important consideration is one's own sexual capacity. In the environment of the FKK, one can quickly become sexually exhausted. There is a limit on how many times a man can ejaculate in one day, and a limit in how long a man may be able to continue to maintain erections in order to perform sex, even with the assistance of pills like Viagra or Cialis. And multiplying the effects of having a lot of sex, by trying to do it for many days in a row, one after the other, one will certainly reach one's limit rather quickly in an FKK environment – a few days for most men. Since there is a separate entrance fee of 65 or 75 Euro to be paid when entering the FKK, it is to one's advantage to have as much sex as possible in each visit, to amortize the entrance cost over more sessions, which brings down the net cost for each session. Let's say, you're an average 47. 53 year old, and you can ejaculate 3 or 4 times a day, without too much problem, but at the FKK you're going to try to do this for a few days in a row on a weekend vacation. You will most likely find that you reached a saturation point for sex after a few days, and you won't even want to go have more sex. What you will feel you want most – is a rest! So for most men, it is best to break up visits to FKKs to no more than a few days at a time, unless you are a unique sexual amazon.

WHO WINS? : So with regard to the above considerations, Kiev wins when it comes to lower costs cumulatively and overall. (But FKKs win when it comes to unit cost, because in FKKs you can be with a girl for only half an hour at a cost of 50 Euro, whereas in Kiev you are required to go for an hour session for the most part, and in Rio there is a three hour minimum with each session). Kiev also wins when it comes to beauty. On the other hand, FKKs win when it comes to being assured of good service, including uncovered oral sex, as in Kiev this depends on each girl, although most of the girls that I have been with in Kiev did great uncovered blow jobs without even being asked. And FKKs win when it comes to sexuality of the environment. Kiev is merely a nightcub or strip club scene, or on the street, or outcalls to your apartment.

MY CONCLUSION: I think they both have their strong and weak points, so what I have done as a compromise, is to combine the two. I like to start in Frankfurt FKKs for a frenzied day or even two days, to get the edge off. And then, go to Kiev for the sex—weekend where the goal is to get the most beautiful girls possible to share my bed, and then return home by way of Frankfurt for a final FKK fling to bang as many hotties as is possible. So far, this approach has worked well for me. So that's probably what I'll do this time too.

LJ

[Fsu123]

I have 10 days of vacations coming up from Aug. 31 to Sept. 10. I am thinking of a first trip to Ukraine. May I have few questions for our experienced mongers to Ukraine? 1) If you were me, where would you go? Kiev or Odessa, taken into account the cost of airline tickets, quality of girls and costs of your stay, I. E, girls, hotels, and food. I live in Los Angeles, California. If is a longgggggg way to Ukraine. 2) Would you split your vacations? 5 days in Kiev and 5 days in Odessa. 3) Do you have a list of hotels in both cities?

Keep in mind that I am somewhat budget-oriented.

Good days gents.

EZ

From LA and having lived in both, I vote Kiev. Odessa is a bit less expensive but I feel like Kiev has much more going on.

Stick with apartments and make sure you book in advance (like now) especially for Odessa if you go there.

www.kievapts.com

www.odessapats.com

[Ezyngo]

I have 10 days of vacations coming up from Aug. 31 to Sept. 10. I am thinking of a first trip to Ukraine. May I have few questions for our experienced mongers to Ukraine? 1) If you were me, where would you go? Kiev or Odessa, taken into account the cost of airline tickets, quality of girls and costs of your stay, I. E, girls, hotels, and food. I live in Los Angeles, California. If is a longgggggg way to Ukraine. 2) Would you split your vacations? 5 days in Kiev and 5 days in Odessa. 3) Do you have a list of hotels in both cities?

Keep in mind that I am somewhat budget-oriented.

Good days gents.

EZ

[CityHunter77]

Where is D'Lux? Don't give me name of street because I can't read Ukrainian. Give me the area around it. Is it close to independence square?

Yes it's past Independence square, take a cab if not sure.

Address is Hrushevskoho 3

[Harry Hirsch]

Very close to the main entrance of the football stadium.

Dynamo Kiev, old football stadium.

[CastOnThis]

EJ.

Dubai is completely different from the clubs in Kiev. You need to directly approach the girls.

Vodka-bar is ok and you can get all types here but quality of the girls isn't too great. I think you should check out D'Lux instead, it's 200 UAH entrance at weekends but some really hot ladies to be found here.

Where is D'Lux? Don't give me name of street because I can't read Ukrainian. Give me the area around it. Is it close to independence square?

[CityHunter77]

Me and my friends do have the same question, we (4 guys, age 22-24) also go for the first time to Kiev for 5 days in August.

We have read this forum but some suggestions are welcome. We also like to checkout the vodka-bar, does somebody know what type of girls are there freebies, pro / semi pro's?

Last month I went to Dubai. When I entered a club (york club) , the place was packed with P4P al the WG's were approaching me directly. Is this the same in a specific club in Kiev or is it only in clubs like Rio?

Thank you

EJ.

Dubai is completely different from the clubs in Kiev. You need to directly approach the girls.

Vodka-bar is ok and you can get all types here but quality of the girls isn't too great. I think you should check out D'Lux instead, it's 200 UAH entrance at weekends but some really hot ladies to be found here.