Kyiv

[Member #4722]

Yummy called her "phenomenal. " Where does this "6" come from?

Perhaps she is a supermodel type.

Why even validate him with a response? I've never seen a guy more concerned with what other dudes do with their dick than DramaFree11.

[Sorbonne]

Yep, $250 to bang a 6. $150 way too much.

Yummy called her "phenomenal. " Where does this "6" come from?

Perhaps she is a supermodel type.

[Incrociatore]

LOL, I don't want her or any girl for a full night. I actually prefer to be alone most of the time, always been this way and getting more solitary with age. At my social activity last night, for example, I sat alone at my table and people watched most of the evening. Anyone, I pay her 5000 uah per meet, so about $180. Our original rate was less but I gave her a raise last year. Sex for about an hour, then 2-3 hours talking or watching YouTube, then I'm ready for her to leave. My goal is to make an offer she can't refuse but not so much I resent the expense. $180*25 meets is $4500 plus I typically give an annual bonus of $2000. Maybe more meets this year since I'm now trapped in Ukraine because of covid-19. My total after-tax expenses for 2019 were like $24 K and 2020 should be similar, but my income is higher, so no reason to try to keep costs down. (Reason my total costs are low is because I don't have a car, apartment or medical insurance back in the USA. Live in a motel and walk or take public transit for the months I'm there. Maybe in the future I'll stop visiting the USA and further cut costs.).

But why Ukraine? Can't you go to Colombia, Brazil, or even Cuba? You will save a lot of money. In Ukraine everything is cheap except girls. I wouldn't pay so much, especially for a long term thing. I think if you see the girl so frequently you should pay much less. But maybe you are sixty and so it might be different. I'm in my early 40, I look in my early 30, and I'm not willing to pay so much, even if I can. I'm saving to retire in South America.

[Kozerog]

I never tried to have a sugar baby in Ukraine, just to know. How much you pay her for meeting? As they get a lot for 1 hour sex, I guess a full night should be crazy prize.

LOL, I don't want her or any girl for a full night. I actually prefer to be alone most of the time, always been this way and getting more solitary with age. At my social activity last night, for example, I sat alone at my table and people watched most of the evening. Anyone, I pay her 5000 uah per meet, so about $180. Our original rate was less but I gave her a raise last year. Sex for about an hour, then 2-3 hours talking or watching YouTube, then I'm ready for her to leave. My goal is to make an offer she can't refuse but not so much I resent the expense. $180*25 meets is $4500 plus I typically give an annual bonus of $2000. Maybe more meets this year since I'm now trapped in Ukraine because of covid-19. My total after-tax expenses for 2019 were like $24 K and 2020 should be similar, but my income is higher, so no reason to try to keep costs down. (Reason my total costs are low is because I don't have a car, apartment or medical insurance back in the USA. Live in a motel and walk or take public transit for the months I'm there. Maybe in the future I'll stop visiting the USA and further cut costs.).

[Ringudor]

I can afford giving this girl what amounts to a salary sufficient to live on (more than 400*12=$4800/ year when totaled up, but note that I continue to pay per meet and never promise a monthly allowance like some sugar daddies), so she doesn't have to work unless she wants to.

I never tried to have a sugar baby in Ukraine, just to know. How much you pay her for meeting? As they get a lot for 1 hour sex, I guess a full night should be crazy prize.

[Sorbonne]

A decent salary in Ukraine is $400. You gave her, for 3 hours, more than half of monthly salary. Let me be clear, so you understand, it's like paying a German girl who does 1600 a month, 900 Euro.

I would say 3000 UAH max for a few hours evening meeting and 5000 UAH max for an all night / all day meeting with a decently pretty (8 and up) girls.

If you can lower it down to 2000 for the former and 3000 for the latter, that would be a beauty.

But if she is a supermodel type or a high class courtesan, she can always demand as much as she wants. Whether or not to agree to pay her is I guess up to the client.

[Kozerog]

A decent salary in Ukraine is $400. You gave her, for 3 hours, more than half of monthly salary. Let me be clear, so you understand, it's like paying a German girl who does 1600 a month, 900 Euro.

German girls earning 1600 cannot travel to another developed country (I'm excluding Dubai, in other words) and get 900 for sex, whereas Ukrainian girls earning $400 can easily travel to Germany or other European countries and get $250. So that pushes prices up for girls open to traveling. That said, you can still get sex from pretty semi-pros in Kyiv for $50, though lots of time spent finding these girls, or even free sex from civilians, and indeed YummyPL discussed a freebie in another post (free, that is, other than cost of dinner), so it's not like he's always paying up.

My own situation boils down to this: very unlikely I could find a situation in the USA comparable to the one I have in Kyiv, with a girl 30 years younger, at anything like what I'm paying here. I can afford giving this girl what amounts to a salary sufficient to live on (more than 400*12=$4800/ year when totaled up, but note that I continue to pay per meet and never promise a monthly allowance like some sugar daddies), so she doesn't have to work unless she wants to. If she sees other clients (I don't ask), she can be very selective about who she sees and she can demand $250 or whatever. Or maybe she sees guys her own age for free. If she has a day job, it's one that doesn't stress her. So she's always in a good mood when she visits me, always has time for me. I consider the money I give her to be well spent in terms of pleasure per dollar. Far better spent on her than on things like automobiles, apartments / houses, medical insurance, etc, none of which give me much pleasure.

[PhotoSlider]

A decent salary in Ukraine is $400. You gave her, for 3 hours, more than half of monthly salary. Let me be clear, so you understand, it's like paying a German girl who does 1600 a month, 900 Euro.

It is his money. Yummy traveled around the world enough to make up his mind on what is acceptable to him personally. The choice is cheap and low quality, or higher and paradise. AFAIK from reading here on the Forum, he did have German girls.

I do not think Yummy overpays, and have an impression that he is immensely happy with his setup. And I am very jealous. In a positive supporting way.

I'll try to shut up for awhile.

[DramaFree11]

A decent salary in Ukraine is $400. You gave her, for 3 hours, more than half of monthly salary. Let me be clear, so you understand, it's like paying a German girl who does 1600 a month, 900 Euro.

Yep, $250 to bang a 6. $150 way too much.

[Riina]

A decent salary in Ukraine is $400. You gave her, for 3 hours, more than half of monthly salary. Let me be clear, so you understand, it's like paying a German girl who does 1600 a month, 900 Euro.

It use to be that a monger would pay a $100 a girl and after meeting five, one would likely be awesome. Now guys pay 250 a meet and have to meet 20 for something good. Basically, prepare to shell out a year's salary to fuck mostly average girls.

[Ringudor]

A decent salary in Ukraine is $400. You gave her, for 3 hours, more than half of monthly salary. Let me be clear, so you understand, it's like paying a German girl who does 1600 a month, 900 Euro.

This si something I cannot understand, the big difference between sex price and medium salary in Ukraine, compared to any other country in the world.

[Incrociatore]

This site really is getting to be more like Trip Advisor than ISG.

I will say that there are few things I am more thankful for than being in Ukraine during a global pandemic. I don't know if it is truly better, but I get the sense that I am very fortunate to be here during this time.

Had my 4th SA girl (of those I have actually had sex with) this morning. Phenomenal. I am going to talk about it in FKK terms again. As I have stated before, in the big FKKs, there are 30% or less of the girls that I am interested in being with (including in the Globe, Artamis, Oase). Not that there are not other attractive girls, but these 30% are my taste. Out of the more than 100 FKK girls I have been with, I would rate todays girl easily among the top 20% of those girls. That means, at the worst for my particular tastes, she is in the top 6% of girls I would find in an FKK. Does that put her in the top 10% of girls as a whole? I don't know. But if FKK girls are better than average, then I believe she must be close. Young and very much my taste. (and easily in the top 10% of GIA girls based on their picturesI've never used GIA or their successor site).

Great passion, great attitude, and enthusiastic effortand, as PhotoSlider likes to say, very well mannered. She didn't touch her phone, she was attentive the entire time, she doesn't smoke, and she is very sweet. I could not ask for better.

A bit expensive for Ukraine, but at under $250 USD for 3 solid hours of attentive and passionate service, she was great. I will repeat and she seems very eager to see me again.

A decent salary in Ukraine is $400. You gave her, for 3 hours, more than half of monthly salary. Let me be clear, so you understand, it's like paying a German girl who does 1600 a month, 900 Euro.

[YummyPL]

I had another Mamba no call / no show so I decided to go looking for an apartment girl. After walking around the sports palace area for a while and not finding any of the shills that I have seen in the past, I asked a cab driver. He took me to a place close by.

There were two girls working, both young, one was heavy with a nice face, the other had a sweet body but a rather rough face. I chose the nice body. 1800 for an "hour" but when I got in the room it just felt rushed and stupid. Covered blowjob, no kissing. She did let me go down on her and everything was good down there but she immediately went into some fake seeming moans and movement. So I stopped. I would have tried to fuck her but I was not anywhere near hard. I left in about 20 minutes.

It felt like a Frankfurt RLD girl but worse.

I am actually glad I did it. I have not had an apartment girl since 2013 so it was fun seeing if I could find one and it was interesting entertainment for the evening doing the search. It was a learning experience but I will unlikely do it again. I am having much better success with my other girls.

The temperature was warm outside and it started raining lightly as I walked back toward my apartment. There was some really cool lightning. It was a truly beautiful evening.

[Incrociatore]

In my opinion I would never relocate to Ukraine for the women. It's a very much a broken culture with a scam mentally. When the people perceive kindness as a weakness, then it should be avoided.

Are there hot Ukrainian women. Absolutely.

Are there nice Ukrainian women. Absolutely.

Will you be picking up really hot model type college chicks. Absolutely not.

From my experience, the only really attractive Ukrainian I have had were in Dubai. The minute they know there worth, they either glued to Instagram to find sugar daddies or get the hell out this depressing country. Sorry to say, but the so called Troll. Dramafree is absolutely spot on with his observations and comments.

You can travel for a few days with very attractive Ukrainian women by using. Elit_travel_girls on insta, but I would not waste a dollar in the country itself, unless you speak Ukrainian or Russian and have business interests there.

You would be much better in off in the South Coast of Spain with a great climate and an endless supply of Eastern European and Latin women.

Chasing hot women has been my life's work and I can live anywhere I want. Europe truly has much better destination to live and enjoy carefree sex.

Be safe.

You are absolutely correct. I spent more than 50 days in Dnipro for work. I go there often and I confirm every word you said. And a city like Kharkiv is probably the same as Dnipro. Russian mindset, women just care about look and money, but look come first. They want an handsome man, and if it's not handsome he must be rich. $2000 is definitely not rich. They do care a lot about the way you look, you dress, what you can show. They are superficial women. The most attractive Ukrainian girls are around the world working as escorts. The ones still in the country often travel to Dubai or Istanbul, because they have clients there. The top notch are married with rich locals, and there are many, at least looking at the cars you can see around. Most of the girls have bad teeth. Ukraine is the country in the world where people have the worst teeth. Even beautiful girls can have horrible teeth.

[Incrociatore]

I've checked out VK.com for a while and it seems that it was a really convenient way for girls to get acquainted with clients, and vice versa. But, it seems that around 2017 many girls stopped to use it. And now, since it's banned on Ukraine, only few use it with VPN.

For Mamba you need the VPN as well. Waste of time. Instagram is a waste of time as well, they do not answer. On Instagram, only one girl, 19, answered. She wasn't living in the city I was, and she was willing to travel to meet me (for free), but then I uploaded some other pictures of me and she changed her mind. She told me clearly the reason.

I don't have Facebook but I don't think many of them have it. Some have still VK, but once again you need to use the VPN. Not worth.