Kyiv

[LilJoey]

I do not think girls from Rio are Mercedes and mamba-night clubs girls are just horses, it is more likely Audi and Volkswagen, with Rio girls be Audi and as everyone knows they share the totally same engines.

And there are some Opel and Ford in Rio too.

I saw the mamba girl my friend got yesterday afternoon, she can work in Rio with no problem if just she would and when Rio girls go away in normal clothes, well once they are no more naked, they look quite "normal" stuff at least in Kiev.

No, my friend, you are not much wrong. I was very amused with your response and you made some very good points.

You are correct about the additional costs that occur when one visits Rio strip club which, to enlarge upon what you wrote, include a mandatory 100 UAH entry fee; and optional, but highly recommended 100 UAH tip to each manager who is assisting you (this can be more than one manager, so the 100 UAH for 1 manager is a minimum for when you stay in 1 spot at club and only 1 manager is involved with you, but if you ask to also be seated in another part of club after spending a while in one place, then you will encounter more managers) ; and optional but indispensable 200 UAH for each private dance, and you may need to do more than one private dance if you need to "interview" more than one girl, but it needs to be done in order to identify the girl with very good chemistry with you and high potential for GFE and to avoid the ice queen) ; and of course your drinks and drinks you may buy for girls who sit with you at your table for more than just a little while. I usually order just some hot green tea to help with digesting my dinner if I get to Rio early at 8 or 9pm, or a cappuccino or the like, and these items are not expensive (I think the tea was 40 UAH) , but the girls tend to order things like Baily's etc, so your bar tab can easily exceed 400 UAH ($50) , and for me has ranged between $50-$100 due to the drinks for multiple girls. Therefore, since the entry fee, a tip to 1 manager and only 1 private dance totals 400 UAH ($50) , and to this must be added the bar tab, plus additional private dances you may do, and sometimes additional managers' tips, it is not unlikely you may spend more than $100 on these "incidental" expenses, all apart from the girl fee of $300 for take out. Let's not forget to also add in the taxi cost to and from Rio as well. On the other hand, you will be paying for drinks for yourself and maybe some girls you speak to at nightclubs also, and as well may pay entrance fees at some nightclubs too. So I don't really focus on these "incidental" type costs when comparing strip club to nightclub girl costs. However, these costs do not occur when you invite a mamba girl directly to your apartment and don't serve her any drinks that you may have purchased and have in your apartment.

Also you are correct about the fact that there is less money at risk with a mamba girl who you got for $100 / hour or less, versus a Rio girl where $300 is at risk. If these girls turn out to give bad service and not GFE. However, the degree of risk is not equivalent, as I should point out that whereas you have little more than the odds of pure chance on your side with a mamba girl, with a Rio girl there is a recommended selection process (look, speak, private dance etc) specifically designed to weed out the ice queen and identify the really good girl with great vibes and chemistry (your dick should be fairly singing in your pants about this girl) and a very high GFE potential even before you issue an invitation to her to come home with you, which, of course minimizes the risk as to a Rio girl you have vetted in this manner.

Of the four Rio girls I have had in my bed, all four were GFE experiences, with the caveat that one of them would not do BJ uncovered, although the sex with her in all manner of positions was super, and the friendly warmth of the interrelationship was GF like. So if you remove from her GFE status for the lack of uncovered BJ, is a question to me. It didn't stop me from having this girl who has one of the prettiest faces I've seen and an awesome body at least four times to my apartment, alone and in a fantastic duo. The other 3 were straight GFE.

However, you lump together mamba girls with nightclub girls. These are not the same at all but rather two totally different experiences. Nightclub girls are far higher priced than mamba girls according to the reports on this thread from those who filed action reports of their visits to the nightclubs like TheKnight just recently and others previously.

I have written about my experience with mamba girls. I have also read Mystery77's reports about his experiences with mamba and other girls from internet. These reports speak for themselves and are not consistent with your glowing reports about the mamba girls you have seen who you feel could be Rio stripper quality. But perhaps you and your friends who got such good looking girls off of mamba were the lucky ones. So I do not disbelieve your findings, but I think they ate unusual compared to my own experiences with mamba and the experiences reported by others.

Lastly, what you wrote about the Audi and Volkswagon both having the same engine is a truism, in that every girl has a pussy. But clearly even you do not dispute that the packaging around that pussy makes a great deal of difference to the experience of the guy inserting his dick into it. It is more pleasure to have sex with a more beautiful girl than with a plain or average girl, all other factors such as warmth and friendliness being the same. And yes beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, so it could be that one man's Audi is another man's Ford. So I will not quibble with you when you say that some of the girls at Rio are not more good looking than the best looking girl that ever came off an ad on mamba. But I will dispute what you are saying as to the following:

In Rio strip club there are a good number of Mercedes and even a few Ferraris Maseratis and Lamborghinis, girls so good looking and sexy that any man's eyes will pop and his loins will squirm with yearning for, the 9's and 10's I have been writing about, that I have seen with my own eyes. Can such girls be gotten from the internet, mamba or otherwise? The internet pictures of such girls beckon and seduce one to believe in it.but in Kiev the internet pictures have been exposed as fraud time and again.

So for now, I will stick to what I have found to be a goldmine of GFE hotties in Rio strip club, which I don't regard as risking my $300, since I am relying on my own skills at interviewing the girls and sensing their GFE potential long before they get to my apartment. And I will pursue the nightclub options to see if I can find equivalently high level beauties (9's and 10's only) that have comparatively reasonable prices.

And I may dabble during the daytime with top-modals, or mamba or apartment girls to see what I can come up with, since always there is a chance. I already have two girls from the last two years on top-modals who are my backup daytime GFE sex partners. Both of the good bodies and nice faces (about 7 or 8's) and good sex with GFE. But these nice girls are not what I'm after when I'm hunting the big game, the supermodel 9's and 10's in the evenings, either in the strip club or the nightclub.

But thank you for a lively debate.

For all those reading this thread to try to get a handle on how to approach mongering in Kiev best, I suggest reading the posts within the last few months by myself, Tango9001, Insomniaque and TheKnight, as well as Lukasek and Stevie69 and Mystery77 (apologies if I've left out writers who also gave good info relative to the issues) and you will get a good summary of what seems to me to be the two main different perspectives on the best mongering approach to take to get the most out of your money spent on mongering in Kiev.

Please post more reporting on the nightclub scene and the freebie scene that has details as to methods and prices that can help others go where you have gone.

LJ

[Eros74]

Jesus Christ! I'm not a professional Kiev player like some of the long term residents or frequent fly guys I've met in Kiev. Though $500 here $400 there. What the hell really! A good friend now I'm meeting in the future Kiev. Laughed at a hottie in Bhudda Bar when she quoted $100 per hour. Seriously do a little more leg work. Build a little jealousy even between girls to reduce prices. Just talk a little with a fellow company of girls. Let the others see this, laugh. Fake the fu*king laugh. Communicate politely with the girls smile, no no no come on lets be fair smile, you know my friends over there, I'm not a first time tourist, I've been around. Plus I thought we could also be friends....

Totally true Mystery, no way to pay too much so easily or no matter if ukraine will get the same financial crisi as belarus, but sooner we will end to pay outrageous price for girls.

And what I really really am afraid is that next year you have, and in poland, UEFA euro 2012, so there will be tons of football fans coming here just for football but that will take girls without negotiating, they will be shocked for the beauty of girls and if now there are many mongers coming to Kiev, after euro 2012 there will be even more and the girs will surely be even more spoiled than now.

Even men who do not know this forum or never thought to "holiday" to ukraine will be impressed looking to football matches and see ukranian girls on television, I am pretty sure the tourism to Kiev will increase in next years and price of girls too.

[Eros74]

Buddha Bar.

I like the place for a drink, cocktail are between 60 and 100 grivnas, free entrance from Sunday till Thursday, no idea how much on Friday and Saturday.

All the hookers stay on the bar, I saw about 8-12 girls per night, never asked for a price, but couple of them are really nice.

Caribbean.

It seems like people come here just to dance, we had one drink and we immediately left. 60 grivnas entrance.

D'Lux.

200 grivnas entrance for men and 50 for girls.

3 floors, on top disco with nice music, the price worth just to see the dancers LOL.

Between the stairs and the dance floor is where hookers stay, we saw just 3 or 4 of them.

Interesting out of club in the street there were 2 girls that immediately looked to us, obviously pro, one of them really cute, we keep on walking but strange they could not afford 50 grivnas to go inside.

However so far I have the feeling the regular girls I saw in clubs has no interest to meet foreigners that they already know very well they are mongers, but I am sure 10 or 15 years ago here it was a pure heaven with no need to pay girls

[Mystery77]

Jesus Christ! I'm not a professional Kiev player like some of the long term residents or frequent fly guys I've met in Kiev. Though $500 here $400 there. What the hell really! A good friend now I'm meeting in the future Kiev. Laughed at a hottie in Bhudda Bar when she quoted $100 per hour. Seriously do a little more leg work. Build a little jealousy even between girls to reduce prices. Just talk a little with a fellow company of girls. Let the others see this, laugh. Fake the fu*king laugh. Communicate politely with the girls smile, no no no come on lets be fair smile, you know my friends over there, I'm not a first time tourist, I've been around. Plus I thought we could also be friends.

I was around Kiev for 2 months, with my knowledge of many different fronts, bars / clubs, Room service, Freebies, When I come back its no longer as a novice, I'm now a self proclaimed ametuer. $500, come on. Hire a girl for the night / day, go clubbing & get help her to set you up with freebies, & sleep with her as well. Use a little strategy, or of course if your time is limited then "Just Do It." My post here is in part to help save you fellas a little cash. As Kiev can rock your wallets from time to time. If one would just spend $500, You deserve to have a little more than a suck & f*ck.

[TheKnight]

Apologies for repeating quite a bit of what LJ said in his previous explanation re Rio, I did not refresh page when logging back in, but anyway it enhances the knowledge, and I very much agree with LJ about the difficulty and lottery of ordering a girl off internet in this country, even if you speak Russian.

Girl I took from Rio this week is posted in photo gallery. $300 she stayed just over 3 hours I think, but after 3rd orgasm I was falling asleep, and welcomed her departure. She was definitely not the best looking. What would you say (personally I score her a 7. 5) but I arrived late after cultivating a freebie, many girls were already with clients, and after interviewing about 6 girls, my favourite was only a dancer, which Dima later confirmed, and this girl had great attitude and connection. Yes, she was very good in bed, BBBJ, GFE. She looked like she expected to get dressed after our second session, but I eased her g-string back off after she came out of shower, and no objection, and pop no. 3 happened.

Buddha Bar girls are nowhere near standard of any strip club. IMHO not near standard of previous RP average. Some are same girls, but now 2 years older. And they start at $400 asking price, with good negotiation I got girl down to $250 for "2 to 3 hours" which means they want to leave after 2 hours, and IMO she was probably only a 7, and she was best of the 7 or 8 working girls I saw. Maybe some other had already been and gone. But like RP the BB girls now want to score twice a night, so they are now conditioned to one or 2 hours visits, which is not good for punters. Be strong in your negotiations, state your requirements, time needed etc. She will have heard it all before, don't waste your time and money.

In D*Luxe great girls, but prices quoted to me $500, €400, and with 2 hotties I got no further than $300, and for 1-2 hours this time. Another was willing for all night for $500, but considering it was already 0200 I guess she would try to leave at 0600, or demand sleep at 0400 or 0500.

RHINO strip bars.

One other thing I was delighted to see in Star Rhino (150 entry IIRC) girls have to go fully nude. It was my first visit to this place, thank goodness they have Rhino in centre now! Most shy girls only took off G-string right at the end and pussy viewing was almost impossible. But then I tipped 50UAH to a dancer who got nude early and suddenly most girls got to know this and also got naked earlier and open leg shots sometimes too!

My other advice and info here:

1) Bring lost of 50 UAH notes with you as they like to only give 100UAH in change, and anything less than 50UAH as a tip will aggravate girls.

2) Sit side on, or even behind the stage, as you will get better view than straight on where some girls will still only get nude at the end, and also "hide" behind the pole. At the end of their dance they have to walk back down catwalk. You will see what I mean where you're inside.

3) Takeout not possible. However I did talk one girl into meeting me next evening, but we could not exchange phone numbers as girls are closely watched, and stupidly I did not do my usual of writing down my phone number in advance on small piece of paper which is easily and discreetly handed to a girl in a club. So next evening, I was with freebie and it was impossible to meet the stripper. I do not know whether she would have shown up, it's probably about 33% chance I would guess. Also, we did not fix a price, but I did say I would pay for her, and she seemed happy, but we'll never know. Until one of you tries the same modus operandi!

4) Private dances. Last for 2 songs, cost=200UAH. You have two choices. You can touch almost everywhere, depends on girl, some allow gentle pussy, some do not. Or your other option is get your cock out and wank while they strip. Tissues provided in every private booth!

Share the knowledge everyone!

[Eros74]

I do not think girls from Rio are Mercedes and mamba-night clubs girls are just horses, it is more likely Audi and Volkswagen, with Rio girls be Audi and as everyone knows they share the totally same engines.

And there are some Opel and Ford in Rio too.

I saw the mamba girl my friend got yesterday afternoon, she can work in Rio with no problem if just she would and when Rio girls go away in normal clothes, well once they are no more naked, they look quite "normal" stuff at least in Kiev.

Rio is the cheapest strip club in Kiev? Yes.

Price per hour of Rio girls is 100usd, so a good price? Yes, BUT. For many mongers it is best 300usd and to have 3 different girls in 3 days for 3 hours each than 300usd for one girl for 3 hours, even because if you are a bit unlucky and you take an ice queen from Rio you will surely regret. Taking for same price 3 girls, you have 300% higher chance to have GFE than taking just one girl.

Even more many mamba girl are not 100usd per hour but a bit less.

BUT even more and more, it is wrong to compare just the price per hour, in Rio you have

+ 100 grivna for entrance.

+ 100, at least, to tip manager.

+ drinks, even if you just drink coca cola all night and I am sure you do not.

+ 200 grivnas, at least for private dance with the girl you plan to take home, maybe more than one private dance.

So where at first view the price per hour of Rio seems reasonable, you have all the extra I wrote here that makes the price per hour of Rio girls much higher than mamba and girl from night clubs.

Having said that, it is surely much easier for a non speaking Russian monger to go to Rio, much faster than to be patient and to start to call mamba girls, unless you do not take as part of fun to call mamba girls or to search girls in night clubs.

Surely for a monger stay in Kiev 2-3days, Rio it worth it, but for one week probably not.

Let's also say that probably Rio girls have to show up almost every day to Rio and that mamba girls give you easily their phone number and they are easy to date on evening and to negotiate an all night, especially if you are able to build chemistry, if they know, you can bullshit them, you are here for business, looking for lover and you have no problem to become a sponsor.

It also depends who you are, if you are in good shape, young, you know you have the chance to become "friend" with mamba girls, most of them are students or semi-pro, if you are for example 60 yo, not good looking, better you go directly to Rio.

When I was at home reading reports of Rio I thought it is much better than it is, I do not say it is bad, but please do not end to think Kiev is just Rio and I am not so sure you can have GFE with Rio girls just cause you pay them 300 USD for 3 hours and no GFE with mamba girls cause you pay them 100 USD 1 hour. Pay mamba girl 300 USD for 3 hours and I bet she can give you even better GFE.

And if you are unlucky and you get a shark, cold ice queen from Rio, it costs you a lot, if one from mamba it cost you just like as 2 dinners in good restaurant and no matters how good you are in choosing GFE girl, sooner or later everybody choose the not-right girl.

Just my opinion, but I am pretty sure I am not much wrong....

[TheKnight]

I was wandering through Mariinskiy park with my friend, and I noticed disco-club which I had forgotten about. Before I think it was called "Tsar", but now it's "Stolitsa". Meaning capital city. So it's another potential to chase freebies from that is very central. Mariinskiy is the park at the end of Kreschatyk, with the Dynamo football stadium at the bottom. Club is IN the park itself, so if you drink a lot watch out for the tricky steps down the hill in the dark. Hence the line of taxis! I did not go inside, so cannot comment on the talent inside, but some nice chicks passed by during our walk, although I also have to report it seemed to me many more men than women seemed to be entering.

So personally I probably won't be going here anytime soon, unless one of my freebies wants to go.

The other strip bar someone referred to was probably Marilyn, but this has been closed a while and not reopened AFAIK.

River Palace is not open, will not reopen as far as I know. I hear rumours here that a new club with different name and same principles will open somewhere on land, not on water, but nothing definite yet. And it will be difficult, any new club cannot possibly advertise as a *****house or p4p meeting place, and RP built its reputation over more than a decade I was aware of.

Rio's sister bar Paradise remains open, but I forget where. Dima told me definitely same girls have to work at both clubs. They rotate them. But their restaurant / strip bar Mandarin has still not reopened, and no definite date for it, so looks like not anytime in next few weeks.

Rio itself did not rotate the girls inside its club the other night, so all those who worked on the ground floor stayed only there: Dima said yes, sometimes they do this now. Maybe it is to increase tips to the staff, to allow access to the other floors? So I had to move around for full selection, but boys were already in possession of my Hryvnyas.

[TheKnight]

Yet another trip to Kyiv, and this time more information to impart.

In answer to those questioning why Rio is "club du jour" it is simple: They have very good line-up. Staff are pleasant. Option is simple, guaranteed you can leave with a girl, and price is competitive.

To break it down, the only places I have been where girls are as pretty or better are the Rhino clubs out here. But 2 nights ago there were 45 girls working in Rio and 10 working in the Rhino club inside Arena complex, I think it's "Star Rhino" but I forget the branch names. Also, takeout is not an option in any Rhino club.

Girls in Solid Gold used to be very good when it opened, but went downhill rapidly. Also At Solid Gold and other strip bars like Millennium and Premier Palace Cabaret, fucking is an option, but more costly, around $400 for 3 hours, and they are very very strict about girl returning to the club to sign-out unlike Rio. At Rio girl can choose if she only dances, or if she leaves it will be with client she quite likes. So you generally get good attitude. Imagine taking girl from Millennium or somewhere else where they don; t have option to say no. Maybe you are her 3rd guy of the night, or 5th in two days, maybe she has a bad day at home. You won't get GFE time then.

Mamba, top models are cheaper, yes. But again they are probably seeing many guys a night, probably a high % treat them very badly, so you have the risk of selecting a jaded, men-hater. There is little incentive for them, if you report bad service to the agency, the phone will be put down on you! However if you report bad service to Rio management they will definitely take action. Either talk to girl, sack her, or let her continue but advise regulars not to go with her!

Sure freebies are great, and I am lucky enough to get quite a few stunning girls for free, which is the reason I use P4P less frequently than before. But freebies take so much time to cultivate. Although I love to challenge and pursuit, and it's a great ego boost meeting beautiful women who are genuinely very keen on you, and the thrill when you finally nail the model type girl is up there with the orgasm itself.)

But then when you capture the freebie, she will often have a hold on you. It's simply not possible to tell her, not tonight love, I am taking a couple of girls from Mamba! And Kyiv is relatively small city, and I take risks with my two GFs but try to make sure one is always not in places where the other and her friends may be. But of course there is always a chance that one of the dancers will know one of my GFs, and that game will be up.

One final thing about Rio, the staff. I can inform you all Pasha and Dima, my two favourite managers are still there, and reports of their demise have been greatly exaggerated!

[LilJoey]

i do not knwo why people are promulgatind the idea of going to strip bars, paying cover, pricey drinks and 200 to 400 usd for services that can be had for a fraction of that cost.

in mamba, top modesls, some other bars, and out on the street you can easily find perfectly sweet, unabashedly sexy, and incredibly firm 18-22 year-old students who will often be happy with 50 to 60 usd.

dear stevie,

are you realluy perplexed by those going to strip clubs to shag supermodels? do you really claim the same "services" can be had for $60?

what is the difference between a horse and a mercedes? they can both provide services of transporting you from point a to point b?

answer: the mercedes can transport you with greater style and speed, than the horse.

what is the difference between a $60 average-looking mamba girl, and a $200-$400 strip club supermodel 9 or 10? they both provide the same services of having sex with you?

answer: most men derive a greater pleasure from fucking a supermodel, than sex with an average girl. and, in addition, the strip club option is far more efficient and speedy, because the girls are collected there waiting for you to choose among them.

this is in stark contrast to the situation with mamba and top-modals girls, where most telephone numbers don't answer, then most of those that do answer speak only russian and hang up on you, then those that speak english send you a girl, but she is ugly, and then you go through the bullshit of having one ugly girl after another show up at your door, and if you persist in this lunacy, you might get lucky and a decent enough average looking girl shows up, and because you are so frustrated and so horny, you are thankful and take her, and finally you had sex-but with an average girl. and then you ask yourself.is this why i travelled thousands of miles to kiev, ukraine? to fuck an average looking girl after hours and days of bullshit phone calls to fake agencies?

believe me i wanted to find the top-modals and mamba. ru solution, because i liked the prices possible of 800 uah ($100) or 600 uah ($75) the most usual prices quoted on top-modals and mamba, and i have no interest in wasting money. but i tried these websites and saw all the bullshit, and the very average returns, so i decided not to waste the time of my visit to kiev on that any further, but rather to seek a quicker solution.

guys like me are coming to visit kiev for a short visit, sometimes only 2. 3 nights. our objective is to shag the supermodel gorgeous 9 or 10's that kiev is famous for, not average looking girls, and not to merely have sex. sex we can get back at home. so time is a factor. and we do not have time to waste on bullshit options like mamba and top-modals except during the daytime when the options are more limited than at night.

whereas trying to find girls in the street may sometimes be successful and a fun pursuit, it also has the potential to waste a lot of time and come up with nothing.

so essentially, the two options of choice are to go where the working girls are located, and choose a girl. these two locations are strip clubs and certain night clubs.

based on prior reports by theknight on this thread, most of the strip clubs have prices for take out that is $400 and the girls don't look so hot. only rio had a $300 take out option, so it was the best priced strip club for take out. when i saw the good looks of the girls that danced at rio, which had some average looking girls, but also a good number of incredible 9's and 10's, i was sold on the idea. i looked at the pricing this way. the $300 was for 3 hours so the rate was really $100 / hr, which is the same hourly rate that the girls on top-modals and mamba were mostly asking. the catch was that at rio you were required to take 3 hours minimum for $300, there was no 2 or 1 hour option. but i like to take a long time, and for me personally, three hours was just about right, and $300 for 3 hours with a supermodel was good value, and believe me i got my moeny's worth during those three hours. lol.

however, i should make clear. i think the nightclub scene is also a great way to see and meet the type of awesome looking beauties i'm interested in. so i do not advocate going to rio strip club more than going to other night clubs at all. they are equally good options.

again, the decision for me to focus on rio over spending my few evenings in town going out clubbing, was a factor of time and efficiency in getting a hot girl into my bed each night, as well as pricing. i had been a devotee of the river palace nightclub during its existence, and would have continued with that type of venue had i not found out how quickly i could find an awesome date at rio strip club, which was what i needed to do, not to waste a night of my short visit and go to sleep hungry, so to speak. but the pricing at the nightclubs is also comparable to strip club pricing. the prettiest girls at the hottest clubs like d'lux asking more money, of course. but if the hottest ones were asking $400 at d'lux, or even $300, well for how long a period of time was that, i asked myself? if it was for 1 hour, or even if those prices were for two hours, then obviously i was better off at the rio strip club which had better prices than that.

however, the fact that it has been reported on this thread recently that one could get girls from a nightclub for $200 for 1 hour, meant there was a cheaper alternative to the strip club, because i could have sex for 1 hour for $200, which is $100 less than the $300 bill. so the total bill was less, even though the value per hour was better at the strip club prices. it's a judgment call for each guy. does he prefer 1 hour for $200, or 3 hours for $300? i guess it depends if you are one of the guys who can savor and enjoy the experience of sexual acts of various types spread over the 3 hours, or you are a bottom line guy who fucks for 5 or 10 minutes and then you're done. obviously, if you're all finished quickly or even within 40 minutes or so, then the 1 hour session is fine, and it's cheaper too. so it's a personal call for each guy.

we don't need a separate section for strip club action in kiev. it is not that developed yet. based on theknights reports, only rio strip club has low enough prices coupled with good enough looking girls to make it fun and worthwhile for guys who have short visits to kiev. i haven't personally checked out the other strip clubs. the other strip club that currently is operating, that is a sister club of rio and has the same prices and girls rotate to dance there from rio, is called paradise, but it's very far out from downtown area. the third club was also a sister club of rio called mandarin which had been located on the river and was also closed like the river palace. the managers at rio keep saying mandarin will re-open soon. in addition to a strip show, mandarin had a burlesque show complete with singers and dancers which was very nice entertainment, and a restaurant. the girls there were hot and i had take out from there which was just as it is now in rio. i also can't wait for it to reopen.

what we do need on this thread, guys, is more detailed reporting by those of you staying in town longer and have what to say on the action in all the nightclubs, what the girls look like, what the asking prices are, what the negotiations are like, how low can the prices be negotiated, for how long a period of time the girls will go for, and many other more erotic details. perhaps the reason reporting on the strip clubs seems to stick out to some of you now, is because those who went, including myself, reported in detail. whereas those who went to nightclubs or managed to pick up freebies, failed to report in detail, creating an imbalance in the topics reported.

so for those who are not going to strip clubs and are instead getting their girls as freebies, or in the nightclubs, i suggest taking the time to write about your methods, where you chose to try to pick up girls, why that location, what did you say, what was the conversation, how did you succeed to get the girls to your bed, and then the juicy details. do you think the rest of us don't want to hear your tales? of course we do, because it can open our eyes to opportunities when we come to visit that we might have overlooked, or thought we couldn't do or achieve.

with the greatest of respect for the claimed ability to shag a supermodel for $60.

lj

[FamaIt]

Hey guys,

Ok so I have booked Hotel Rus for my trip. The prices had gone up at $125 / night from last weeks $80. Aw well. Would post a FR of my trip when done.

In the meantime, if anyone has any suggestion for another hotel which is cheap then let me know.

Thanks so much for your help!

[Bimbo Boy]

Just for my reference, what is a "black kiss"? Never seen the term before.

It's when the girl kisses and licks your asshole. I am just amazed at the high percentage of perfectly respectable girls and women that accept to do that.

[Timmy011]

Does anyone know the current cost for a International passport is for a citizen of the Ukraine? How long does it usually take? Thanks for the help.

One of my girls from mamba send me this, so it is not 100% confirmed.)

If you want to receive it for 30 working days. 1000 grn, for 10 working days. 1800 grn, for 3 working days 2500 grn.

Somebody knows where can Ukr. Citizen get 30 days visa for Thai? (they can go without visa but for 15 days max)

I think that there is no Thai Embassy in Kiev.

[Haint69]

Given the photo I fully understand Haint69. Had I such wonders in sight, I guess I could be fucking patient =)

Haint69, my main concern if I were you would not be racism (not that big of an issue) but a possible scam. You say you have many pics of her, but have you ever seen her "live"? I mean on webcam, for instance? Pics don't really prove anything. And those tits look a bit too good to be true. Warning, warning!

Yes, we use Skype quite often, and we talk on the phone on a regular basis. I met her on a marriage site about a year and half ago. Then about Jan-Feb, we started using Sykpe everyday and we started really talking about meeting. It looks like I convinced her to come the Dominican with me, but I would still really like to come to Ukraine and try my luck with the ladies there. I have met a few that I would like to meet, but they cannot travel. (kid, job.) Here's another girl form Nikoleav that met me in Dominican.

[Bas1971]

Does anyone know the current cost for a International passport is for a citizen of the Ukraine? How long does it usually take? Thanks for the help.

Different cost. 1200 Hrn (150 USD) for 3 days. 800 Hrn (100 USD).10 days. 300 Hrn (40 USD).30 days

[Insomniaque]

Guys, you should know that feebies can be trained. All my freebies perform DFK, anal, deep throat and black kiss like professionals.

Just for my reference, what is a "black kiss"? Never seen the term before.